836: Due Process DENIED - The Illusion of Safeguards in Red Flag Cases & the Realities Women Face

Brian Nichols  0:20  
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Kerry Slone  2:51  
Thank you May I give you a compliment on your incredible impersonation of her WAF? Derby disturbingly good

Brian Nichols  3:04  
Kamala, she doesn't really good job to know school buses. They're magical. They're big. They're yellow. They get kids from point A to point B we have to invest in school buses. It's something you

Kerry Slone  3:17  
can see this Sheila Jackson Lee, about the big ball of gas and the gases that I was like when did When did he come over here and start doing Toastmaster meetings for Congress.

Brian Nichols  3:30  
He got sunny over the view. She's telling everybody that whenever you have cicadas and collapses and you know things that you can actually plan for by math, that that is indicative of climate change. Beware Carrie Sloane Welcome to the show. Introduce yourself to the audience and what is we the female

Kerry Slone  3:53  
thanks for having me and I I've confronted Kamala Harris in the past so I I have a personal affinity for wanting to insult her I'm just going to be straight about it. So we the BBL is a nonprofit organization that I created coming up on seven years ago that was created out of necessity, not only for helping women learn how to embrace self defense, but also helping them understand how self defense laws. gun laws in particular negatively impact their ability to protect themselves and their babies. So in short, we like to say that we the females entire mission is to arm the women with education, competence and self defense.

Brian Nichols  4:35  
I love that because here at the show, we like to talk about educating enlightening and informing so you're saying church different pew, but I think yeah, and by the way, we've had a few ladies here in the show in more recent months. Most recently, I think it was Alesia Garcia, from the great state of Colorado talking about the importance of women being able to defend themselves and we went through the litany of reasons of why Women need to be able to protect themselves. Namely, if you're, you know, defending yourself against, you know, a ginormous human being or, you know, putting your you're putting yourself in a very dangerous situation, there are absolutely times when women need to be our tech, I'm gonna say all the time, if you're a lady out there, make sure you're able to defend yourself. But we start talking about red flag laws, Carrie, and for the audience, they might not be familiar with red flag laws, because these really didn't come into the the traditional conversation when it comes to gun control until more recently, right? Probably what 2018 or so when this conversation really took over. And it was saying, Okay, well, let's say if we find someone who might be a threat to themselves to others, we're going to put them on a red flag list, right? Where a law enforcement officer will come to the house, say, hey, you've been deemed a red flag threat, we're going to collect your firearms, and then until we're comfortable with you not being a threat anymore, we'll give them back. Why is this a big danger not just to women's rights, but across the board? Carrie, why is this an issue when it looks at the Second Amendment and possible violations of liberties?

Kerry Slone  6:12  
Yeah, it's it's a can of worms that a lot of people don't realize actually is predates even 2018 the first official Red Flag Law was put in place in 1999. In Connecticut, after a lottery building, snap,

Brian Nichols  6:28  
I thought it was not until Trump so this has actually been in our political discourse for five years,

Kerry Slone  6:34  
it has but here's what's interesting is technically speaking, red flag laws themselves existed. Prior to an official law with a name on it typically called ERP o or extreme risk protection order, different states have different vernacular, but generally the common term Red Flag Law. They've kind of been in place unofficially, for as long as we could probably imagine, you know, cops or family members could petition courts, it just wasn't a lot. So now that they've put these things in law, it's kind of changed the dynamic, but it's also given more power to the court system over somebody. And especially with in some cases, in a lot of cases, actually, without that person human being in court to represent themselves. And that's one of the biggest concerns, but a lot of the unforeseen circumstances that surround red flag laws happen to be with domestic violence victims, red flag laws were put in place, you know, to protect people. And obviously, the first people that we think about our veterans, right veterans was one of the big ones, school shootings, these type of things, but they're commonly used. And one of the first places that they were put in place in more recent years was in the Violence Against Women Act for domestic violence. In fact, the red flag laws that that for domestic violence tie in to the the law, the regulation and the Federal Violence Against Women Act that says, if an individual is convicted, has a felonious conviction of domestic violence, they're permanently banned from owning guns. So that starts with domestic violence restraining orders. So I'm a domestic violence survivor. When I stood in front of law enforcement officers 16 years ago, with fingerprints around my throat, from being picked up from my throat and thrown around the room, I had broken teeth I hadn't eaten in days, the law enforcement officers asked me if I had a place to hide when my abuser was being released after his reign. And I was confused by that. I didn't understand why. And they said, Well, that's because the the chances of violence increasing is significant, and highly likely once he's led out of jail, because clearly in the minds of the abuser, it's my fault, he went to jail. So interestingly enough, those cops at that time knew that that restraining order that they were going to put in place wasn't going to protect me, but instead of teaching me or encouraging me to learn how to defend myself with a gun, or any other means, but a gun is, in my personal opinion, and I think a very commonly accepted one, it is the most effective self defense tool for a woman, especially when we're talking about disproportionate size with with an assailant.

Brian Nichols  9:25  
Right, like, I I'm six foot five, I'm 265 I go to the gym six days a week, I'm gonna almost guarantee you're not to 65 You're not six foot four, six foot five. So

Kerry Slone  9:38  
like, identify that as that. So

Brian Nichols  9:40  
does that work?

Kerry Slone  9:41  
Maybe it's just my mouth. I can have a mouth mouth. From

Brian Nichols  9:46  
like, that's the exam. That's the exact breakdown though of like a real life situation. Right. And that monster of a man like me. Yeah. You know, like you there is absolutely a power disparity here. And at the end of the day, a firearm is is the ultimate equalizer?

Kerry Slone  10:01  
It is. And that was the, you know, the cops were coming. You know, conveniently they didn't tell me that, but they told me to hide. And one of the big talking points, I kind of want to bring this up because a lot of people have heard the talking point on the gun control advocate side that a domestic violence victim is five times more likely to die if there is a gun in the home. Well, I have that study. And I'm happy to link that for you for your notes later. That exact study that says that it's actually 30 years old. First and foremost, it doesn't actually say that the victim dies by firearm, because typically when she's still home in that situation, she doesn't and that's that's a whole other conversation. But the very next paragraph in that same study says a domestic violence victim is more likely to survive if she's left her abuser and has a firearm. It is the next paragraph in that study. But conveniently, gun grabbers don't add that little tidbit. And because they only share each other's talking points. I can guarantee you nobody's ever actually read that study that talk about that, because it's got information in it that they don't want you obviously to know. And obviously, the cops knew that that restraining order wasn't going to help me if they weren't willing to share with me information that could have given me something that, you know, could have protected me while he was stalking, because I ended up being stalked afterward, which is also common. So

Brian Nichols  11:25  
let's go through because I so believe it or not, Carrie, I do prep for the show. So now people usually think I just sit down I start talking by actually do homework for this. So I went through

Kerry Slone  11:34  
a podcast, I learned. Thanks. Yeah, I

Brian Nichols  11:38  
have a lefty friend, and he's on board with red flag laws. And I said, Hey, buddy, let's just do me a solid and give me your best arguments for red flag laws. Like just just the best arguments you could. Here's what he presented to me. I want to hear what your thoughts are, as I quickly read through these. So number one, he said it prevents gun violence and saves lives. The primary objective of red flag laws is to temporarily remove firearms from individuals who pose a threat to themselves or others and potentially prevents mass shootings, suicides and other acts of violence. Even if it's only a small percentage of orders being taken for red flag laws, it can save lives. That was one. No, go ahead, respond, I want to hear it. Okay.

Kerry Slone  12:21  
So there is countless amounts of data and statistics and stories out there. Unfortunately, the pro gun side isn't as well funded as the anti gun side for for putting all that research together. I work for an organization called Crime Prevention Research Center briefly. And I there's some data there. But, for example, there was a story in hay was the name of the city doesn't matter is Washington State many years ago, where a woman left her abuser, and he was red flagged under the domestic violence restraining order under the Violence Against Women Act. And he had what we like to call the trifecta of protection for victims or the victim that she the abuser was red flag and had his firearms taken away from him. She had a domestic violence restraining order against him. Therefore, he wasn't supposed to be anywhere near her or come anywhere near her. And she was sitting in the parking lot of her children's Elementary School, a gun free zone. So she right she had the trifecta of protection that was put in place by legislation. He obtained a firearm and shot her through the window killing her while her children were in the backseat in the parking lot right after Thanksgiving. So there's just one of many examples out there that show you that, you know, at the end of the day, what In short, what it comes down to is if somebody really wants to get a gun, to commit an act of violence, they're going to get the gun, whether they are under an order to turn them in or not. More importantly, we've seen time and time again, with many of these school shooters, that law enforcement, even the FBI, in some cases, the Parkland shooter, and the golden shooter, they knew about these kids, and they did nothing. So instead of trying to enact more laws, or push for stricter laws, you know, enhancing the laws that are already in place, why aren't we just enforcing the laws that are already there? And by enforcing those laws, why aren't we keeping these guys in jail? Why are we doing this catch and release business and letting them back out to reoffend when there is protections in place that would keep these offenders in jail? Well,

Brian Nichols  14:37  
this goes to probably point to according to my buddy, and that as well, because red flag flag laws carry are supposed to be temporary and targeted. He says that red flag orders are supposed to be temporary typically lasts in between a few weeks to a year. And the targeted individuals are usually folks who to our point earlier exhibit dangerous behaviors rather than just a blanket gun ban. So it's allowing in To Revention periods, but also being respectful of gun rights. But to your point, maybe it's missing a few other loose ends, ie if somebody is, you know, having the intent to cause harm, they're going to cause harm.

Kerry Slone  15:11  
I'm so glad you brought that up. What it also does in those cases is those those types of orders can actually be used against people and domestic violence victims in particular, they can be used against a domestic violence victim by their abuser in several different ways. But first and foremost, if there are firearms in the home, that are owned by a victim. I know one personally she was a firearms is a firearms instructor in California, she left her abuser. And it was a very ugly situation. Good old boys club. He was a fireman in the small town that they lived in. And so of course, he was buddies with all cops, he had her red flag and had all of her firearms removed out of spite and malice, so she couldn't earn a living. But then he started stalking her and starting verbally abusing her to which we know that verbal abuse usually ends up in some sort of physical violence, especially if there was a history of it, which he had. So he used that law against her to disarm her not only to finance it, in her case to financially hurt her, but to also make her vulnerable. I've got several cases of women where abuse victims where Red Flag laws have been used against them. Furthermore, those types of laws, and that's kind of what happened to me, it wasn't really a Red Flag Law. But what threw me and all of this was seven years ago. Now, back in Washington state, there was a law called ISO 1639. Some people may have heard of it, it came out right after the Parkland shooting. And it was a law that there was a lot of stuff in it. But the one thing that was in it that nobody talked about, and unfortunately ended up getting passed, is when you signed the 4473, which is that little form that gun control supporters think doesn't exist, it's a federal background check. For firearm purchases, spoiler alert, we you are actually checked out and you know, the how many of those are actually false positive, that's a whole other conversation that we could get into that you can have 30, you gotta have all these different segments on gun control with this kind of stuff with people that understand policy. So in Washington State, you can be denied the purchase of a firearm based on what they see in your medical record. Because when you sign that 4473 In Washington State, it's a waiver of your medical record so that the State Health Authority, whoever they are, gets to look at your your medical record and determine that so I know the question that's going to be on a lot of people's mind, well, well, what is it because I get that from my female buyer, for my students in my firearm classes all the time. This is usually what gets centrist to left leaning women because the left leaning women will come and they'll take hands on classes, right? It's the ARS they want man, which I can usually change their mind on that too. But they go well wait a minute, I took antidepressants 10 years ago, for whatever I took sleep medication, I said, well, guess what you could be denied. So when you go to buy your first time, you potentially could be denied the purchase of a gun. And then those are now tied to their Red Flag Law. And that state. So that's what threw me into this. I said, for those of you that voted for this, you just put me in a position where I may not be able to purchase a firearm to protect myself from the man that you all know is stalking me because they were my friends. So those laws can also be used against abuse victims. And more importantly, and to me, what's even more concerning is you're going to see people, and we see this in the veteran community. Bigley. Donald Trump Bigley is they will not go and get the health care, particularly the mental health care that they need, because they don't want to end up on a list. And so two of the biggest pawns for Well, three, but PTSD, right, that's everybody associates that with veterans. But those arguably depends on the study you read, the next demographic is actually abuse victim. Well, you survivors that have that.

Brian Nichols  18:55  
So Carrie, you you mentioned something here, and it goes right to the third point that he said that you've actually, I think, pretty much dismantled that was because red flag laws have due process protections. He said, red flag laws typically include due process safeguards, like requiring evidence of a credible threat, a court hearing, and the ability to appeal an order. So it's balancing public safety concerns, while also protecting civil liberties. But I mean, in the story you articulated where a fireman was able to get all of his buddies on board and was able to Red Flag his significant other his ex significant other like, that doesn't seem to be really the case,

Kerry Slone  19:35  
does it? Yeah. And so not only that, but it depends on how the laws are written in the different states. I do talks on red flag laws all over the country and different states have different criteria. And California has actually passed a law where it's not just the law enforcement that can request a family's can to and just because somebody may have PTSD in their medical record doesn't necessarily mean that they're suicidal. In fact, we have data that shows that On number one that restraining orders don't actually keep women from being murdered abuse victims being murdered. But we also have data showing that just because you take somebody's guns away from them doesn't mean that they're not going to commit suicide. In other words, there's no actual significant change of statistics for the for the rate of the suicide numbers, whether they have a gun or not. So in other words, the layman term of that, they're going to find a way to do it, whether they have a gun or not, is essentially. So that is the biggest concern. And so a lot of people don't think about that. And one of the ways that I'm actually able to crack that is, is people don't think about that. But here's, here's what's interesting. So a lot of these people, they kind of out themselves about the justification of due process, because just direct them to the Rahimi case, right? This a Rahimi case was a Supreme Court case recently that was heard and it's being heard as a second amendment right. And that's in itself as its own issue, which that's a huge can of worms, we should revisit that when the when they come out with the the opinion on that because that's a depending on how they rule, they may have to go back and revisit brewing, but that how that whole ball got rolling with him is like let me be clear that dude is not to do that gun owners want representing me is a little bit of peace shit, just saying. That being said, the one of the things that got his gun so he he was the case is all about him being able to own guns as a somebody who has convictions, but the convict I'm trying to keep this quick and short for y'all for brevity. But the conviction was it domestic violence. The conviction was for being in possession of firearms under a domestic violence restraining order, interestingly enough, a restraining order that was issued to him by the court without him being present to defend himself. Right. Yeah, exactly. So then now look, like I said, dude, speech shit, right. But and based on the evidence that we see, the victim going to court, and asking for the restraining order was justified for the reasons that she did. So but he was not there had no representation in court, which is common with red flag laws, they most states that have red flag laws, the person that's being red flag doesn't have to be present, to be hurt. Right, exactly. So that's a due process issue in itself. And that's where I get a lot of flack as a domestic violence survivor. I'm an absolutions. Like, I took all kinds of heat over the over the illegal alien thing, right, because I'm a, I'm a historian, my American historian, we're big on constitution and understanding it at its core. And, to me, there's no such thing as a gun law that's ever going to be good. It just they don't exist. And I believe that even felons should have their gun rights restored, because again, if the system is working, they should be in jail, or, you know, taken out back after they're convicted and put in a wood chipper. But um, so the people don't realize that when you Oh, well, they get to this protects, you know, they go through this process. And so they get to protect their rights. More often than not the individual that's being red flag, either by the cops, law enforcement, or the families, they're not present to get to defend themselves or to give their side of the story. So the stories are only going with whatever credible threat is given, it's usually anecdotal, or one isolated incident, as opposed to looking at the big picture, because we all know that the courts don't really have time to sit and actually weed through what it is. So they go with the Better safe than sorry, especially if they're anti gun, right, the judges, and they're automatically going to to issue those and take away somebody's due process, which is absolutely unacceptable, as well as putting people in danger. You know, because at the end of the day, Brian, here's the deal. It's not my responsibility, or your responsibility, or the court or anybody else's, or the or the or government's responsibility to decide who should get a gun and who shouldn't. It's our responsibility to be better trained to defend ourselves than the people that want to do as harm. Here

Brian Nichols  24:15  
Here carry Well, I hate to say this, we're already hard pressed for time, I know where the heck these conversations go. So Carrie, you know, that means since we obviously left a lot of meat in the bone here, this is gonna be part one of a conversation. So back on, I know we really need to dig into more of this. But how about this is we're going towards the tail end of today's conversation, any loose ends anything that we we neglected to talk about today that you want to make sure that the audience walks away from this episode feeling that they were in fact educated and enlightened and informed Carrie, what do we miss? So

Kerry Slone  24:49  
I think most importantly, the what I think that you really need to understand if it wasn't already, you know, apparent is that women are statistically disproportionately are negatively impacted by gun control laws, we are definitely more to benefit when we're able to defend ourselves with a firearm because it is it to coin the coin, the corny phrase that's out there it is the best equalizer available for women. And when we look at politicians, and we look at the gun control debate, they've weaponized women against their own best interests, because who primarily supports gun control women, right? Moms Demand grandmas demand all of these, you know, every town These are primarily women's organised women run organizations, or women led. They have literally convinced women to support laws that are against their own best interests. And it is my hope to help women, no matter what side of the spectrum of politics that they're on, understand that gun rights are women's rights, and it is absolutely the best way you can defend yourself from anybody that wants to hurt you.

Brian Nichols  25:56  
All right, Carrie, we are with that going to go towards our final thoughts for today. And I'll kick things off, if you're cool that I look at conversations that we're having today that we've been having here on the show, it goes towards specifically not just civil liberties, but when we're really laser focusing here on the the to a conversation, right? We have to I think, and this is for us on our side of the aisle, we have to get out of the the sexualization, I guess of guns, right. Like, we have to stop this, like guns are sexy culture, I see it a lot, you know, and I get it like, Hey, ladies, you know, you got it, flaunt it, you're gonna shoot, you know, an AK 47. And you want to wear those your tight shorts and stuff, go for it, it's gonna get some clicks, I get it. But when you're talking to your average person, and they're hearing this dialogue, that does not work, they get turned off by that, because to the point you raised earlier, people just by and large, want to feel safe and secure. Right? They just don't feel right. Don't Don't be the asshole going into Walmart carrying like completely loaded up in body armor, right? Because you're now putting more negative on the Pro to a camp than just by being a normal human being right, concealed carry what you know, open carry whatever it may be, but don't go in looking like you're about to take on an entire battalion of troops, right? Like we have to use some some judgment here. And I just I look at the larger movement that we have here on the right, which there are folks like you who are going out and you're trying to, especially from a policy perspective, make some real, really like big important changes for the better. But on the other side, I see you know that the people who do want to glorify guns for them being guns, and listen, that's not to say if you enjoy guns, you you have a hobby of collecting guns, like I like to shoot, I collect guns, I understand the importance of guns. I have a family that hunts I get it, I understand it, I embrace it, I live it, but I'm not going out decked out like I'm about to go into you know, a combat zone. We have to use judgment. And if we don't use judgment, it's all it's doing is giving arguments to the other side to say look at these nut jobs they want to go to Walmart decked out in full on police bet battle armor. Well, you and your kid are trying to shop for groceries for the week. That's the argument they make and guess what? Emotionally it wins. So we have to do better and get out of our own way start telling more stories like the stories Carrie told today but also stop doing the things stop trying to make the gun culture more of a glorified sexy gun culture and make it what it's supposed to be an absolute worst case last resort to defend yourself your family or loved one, whatever it may be. But understand that that's it is a worst case last resort, not a shoot first. Wasn't that fun? Ask questions later. That's my final thoughts. Carrie, what do you have for us and of course, working folks go ahead and support you and the amazing work that we are female are doing well

Kerry Slone  29:00  
I you know, I'm definitely very like I said, I don't want to infringe on anybody's right to carry how they choose to carry. You know, I'll leave it at this. I have really nice firearms. I don't want people knowing what I own. Right? It's nobody's business number one, number two, if in the unlikely event because it's really unlikely for you to actually be involved in mass shooting. I don't want to be the first target by people saying what I'm carrying. So you know, I of course support concealed carry and clandestine you trying to be that that to coined the corny phrase, you know, or to repeat it, the gray man kind of a thing, right? You don't want people to be obvious, but the average woman in America doesn't care about that she doesn't care about the shall not be infringed. Second minute, she cares about protecting herself and her babies. And so if we really want to bring them in, you're right. There needs to be a shift in the conversation about how we approach these women. And you I'm telling you, we've seen this time and again, the Democrats have clearly shown this, you get the women on board and watch what kind of changes start to happen because the shift comes quick. When you can see women starting to get to push back. We're seeing it on the more conservative side of schools now, right? So get the women evolve. And we have to change the conversations about guns, like you said, about how we approach women and that's exactly what my organization does. And you can find more information about my organization at WWE, the female dotnet you can find me on on as they say, down here in the south, the Facebook's we the We the female and Instagram, but we the female underscore official. And if you want to see the spicier side of Carrie Sloane, you can find me stilettos and shotguns and the real underscore SMS on x, not Twitter. Gotta get in the habit.

Brian Nichols  30:46  
And this is where I bring in my Oh, we're really looking forward to that. That'd be great. All right, no

Kerry Slone  30:55  
more question to me, which I get to cite as amusing or disturbing or both? A little bit about

Brian Nichols  30:59  
Yeah, no more Kemal Harris for today's episode. We want to end this episode on a smile. So with that being said, Folks, yes, please go ahead. Support Carrie support all the amazing work that we are female are doing all those links are gonna be found here in the show notes and ask for me where can you find yours truly find me at BEA Nichols liberty, you can find me on Twitter, sorry, x.com, as well as Facebook, and Instagram. We are actually over on the Instagrams now and we've been getting some good traction with the reels. Yeah, I'll do the Instagrams. You can do the Facebook's I'll do the Instagram. That's right. Yeah, I love it. Folks, with that being said, in terms of the show, if you want to go ahead and find the show, wherever it is, you didn't find it today. So if you're watching us on video, that means your founding founding us you're finding us on Youtube rumble or over on x.com or Facebook, where we air the entire video versions of the show. If you are joining us here today. Thank you hit that subscribe button, little notification bell and of course head down below into the comments. After you hit the like button. We want to hear what your thoughts are. If you are on the more, you know, pro Pro to a side of the aisle, let us know do we make a good argument today? And if you're on the anti to a side of the aisle, where do you think we got it wrong? We want to hear your thoughts. Continue the conversation down below. Or heck, if you're listening to the show, via the confines of your earbuds while you're working out at the gym driving to work, I hope you're not wearing your earbuds if you're driving to work. But with that if you're listening to the podcast version of the show, that means you found us on your favorite podcast app, Apple podcasts, Spotify, YouTube music, I use podcast addict, I know there's a bunch of them out there. So wherever that is, do me another favor. Hit that subscribe button once again, but also hit download all unplayed episodes reason being. Carrie is not Episode One, believe it or not of The Brian Nichols Show. She's actually episode like 836 830 minutes

Kerry Slone  32:44  
long to have me on.

Brian Nichols  32:46  
I no shame on me. Shame on me. But we did make it carry. We did make it this long that we have in the archives quite literally hundreds of episodes with hundreds of guests that have been pretty pretty darn good. If I do say so myself. So head down into those show notes. Click the link to go to the Brian Nichols show.com where you're gonna find all 130 Plus episodes. And like I said, if you're listening to us on the podcast, hit download all unplayed episodes start Episode One and like what 2018 Fast forward to where we are today in 2014, I guess or 2014 2024 and I guarantee a few episodes should leave you educated, enlightened and informed. But that being said, it's been an absolute pleasure. Oh, I almost forgot one last thing, Carrie, and that is for folks who please support the folks who support us and that is our amazing sponsors. So yes, Carrie, I think you are also part of an America as well. So please go ahead and support the amazing organization that is amp America but also support the other folks who support us like a cardio miracle. We have the wellness company really excited to have them as a sponsor here in the show. We also have our amazing sponsors over at evil's CBD and liquid freedom energy tea, which I gotta say I just got a new shipment of liquid freedom energy tea in for my good friend Dan Berman and it's the best it's truly the best energy drink I've ever used. All the other ones had just like toxic toxic ingredients in them. No thanks. I want like the natural good for you stuff. So if you guys are looking for a great replacement to your your monster, Red Bulls, all those other energy drinks out there, liquid freedom energy tea can't promote it enough. link in the show notes, Kerry, any final words for us today?

Kerry Slone  34:20  
Just make sure that you understand that women look at firearms differently than men. And if we want to arm the women with education competence and self defense, we have to change our approach and help women understand that their lives are worth defending. Then teach them how to defend that life with the most effective self defense tool available to them. A firearm.

Brian Nichols  34:40  
Wait, hold on. Are you saying that men and women are different carry hold? You're just starting a whole different conversation that we need to dig into? No, I'm just kidding. I'm no

Kerry Slone  34:49  
biologist but girls have a vagina or was that boys have a penis and girls have a vagina?

Brian Nichols  34:56  
Good old Kindergarten Cop. That's right. All right. We're gonna end there. Carry slow and signing off here. The Brian Nichols Show we'll see you next time oh wait Now Brian Nichols signing off here in The Brian Nichols Show for carry slow there we go we'll see you next time

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