895: Why Africa Needs Fossil Fuels to Fight Poverty | Climate Activists HURTING Africa

Brian Nichols  0:00  
This week, a farmer from Kenya challenges Western climate activists to live sustainably in rural Africa, but first, we unpack why fossil fuels might be the key to ending poverty for millions. Is it possible that just stop oil could mean just stop progress for an entire continent? You don't want to miss it. Welcome to the Brian Nichols show, instead of focusing on winning arguments, we're teaching the basic fundamentals of sales and marketing and how we can use them to win in the world of politics, teaching you how to meet people where they're at on the issues they care about. Welcome to the Brian Nichols show, all right. And with that, discussing fossil fuels for Africa, joining us here on the Brian Nichols show, just for machogu. Welcome to the program, Jasper. How are you doing?

Jusper Machogu  0:50  
I'm good. I'm good. Thank you for hosting me very,

Brian Nichols  0:53  
very much. Excited for this conversation. You're doing the Lord's work out in Africa, and I really wanted to not just learn what you're doing, but I also think help promote why you're doing what you're doing is very important from a global scale, but also kind of talking about the elephant in the room where we are as a society when it comes to looking at alternative forms of energy and why fossil fuels are still the number One area that you're focusing when it comes to bringing Africa some different options when we're talking about energy independence and actually helping Excel Africa. So I'm putting the cart before the horse here, Jasper, do us a favor. First, introduce yourself here to the Brian Nichols show audience, and why the focus on fossil fuels for Africa?

Jusper Machogu  1:40  
Yeah. So my name is Jasper machogu from rural Kenya, a place called kisi. So last year, okay, about two years ago, I started this campaign because, like, I know I'm okay, so it let me start with, I'm a small scale farmer from kisii, Kenya. I'm an agricultural engineer. I have a bachelor's degree in agricultural engineering. So that's my kind like my profession, but like, the biggest thing that I'm doing in my community in Africa is I'm saying fossil fuels for Africa, because as a farmer, I've came to realize that what we really need, what Africans really need, to flourish, is fossil fuels. And that's not just about farming. That's not just about energy. It's it's much, much more.

Brian Nichols  2:28  
Tell us more about that. What is it specifically about fossil fuels that you've identified that will help propel Africa to truly flourishing versus where you guys are today?

Jusper Machogu  2:39  
Okay, so number one, I'm going to talk about energy because, like the energy industry is driving every other industry. So if, if you look at the our energy, how Africans consume their energy, produce their energy, produced to consume, you find that in Sub Saharan Africa, that's about 49 countries, excluding a few countries up there maybe just a few countries, so 49 countries in Sub Saharan Africa today. About almost 90% of our energy is coming from burning biomass. Biomass is a fancy term for cow dung, crop residue, firewood, charcoal. That's where our energies coming from? When you go to these Western countries, civilized countries, you realize that all more than 80% of the energy is coming from burning fossil fuels, not biomass. And that beats me, because, like, there is no way we're going to industrialize minus fossil fuels. There is no way we're going to industrialize. There is no way we're going to set up industries or factories over here while we burn biomass. That is like a very low energy, dense form of energy compared to fossil fuels. So a good I know most people at the moment, they are saying what Africa needs is solar and wind, but that's just electricity. If you came to Kenya today, you're going to realize that about more than 80% of the our population have access to electricity. But how much do we consume? So little? If you came to my family, I come from a family of compressing six so a family of six members, but look at how much, how many kilowatt hours of electricity we consume per month. So I'm going to give you the figures. So my family consumes 12 to 16 units kilowatt hours of electricity per month. 12 to 16 an American refrigerator consumes 45 units per month. You can imagine that. So this like I come from a family comprising of six members, so you can imagine how much, how much electricity I consume, personally, that is so little two kilowatt hours of electricity per month. Because what do we use electricity for? Just powering lighting. Maybe charging my phone, my laptop, TV, radio, that is it nothing more. We don't have refrigerators, we don't have microwaves, laundry machines, we don't have all of that. So it boils down to poverty. Like a poor people, they don't have those fancy gadgets. They're going to consume so little electricity. And when we talk about solar and wind, we're just talking about electricity. So I'm talking about fossil fuels. Fossil fuels that power industries, they power transportation, they power a lot of stuff. So that's number one, and it's so it beats me that we consume so little, like so little energy, so so so little. A good example is what was found in in 2015 so a person, a person in the US, an American, is consuming in 19 days, this person is consuming the amount of energy that a person in Uganda is consuming in one to two years. Wow. You can imagine that in 19 days, that is so we, we, we are an in an energy impoverished continent, I think so we produce a lot of Africa has got abundant fossil fuels, but most of our fossil fuels is going to these western countries who are saying they want to face out fossil fuels. More than 75% of our oil is going to these countries. 45% of our natural gas is going to these countries, like it's going outside Africa, and that's why we consume so little fossil fuels. At the moment, if, like the whole of Africa is consuming about 4 million barrels of oil per day, 4 million let me give you an example. So a good example is what the US is consuming 20 million barrels of oil per day. Africa comprises of 1.4 billion people. The US comprises of 330 million people. It's crazy, right? Yes.

Brian Nichols  7:13  
Well, and Jasper, really quick. I just I'm so glad you've painted this picture, because I think part of the problem is that a lot of folks on this side of the aisle or this side of the ocean, in this case, our context is all based on all we've seen, all we know, all we see on the news, right? So to hear your first hand, not just experiences, but just laying down the facts, you hear a lot of folks, and I'll, just, for the sake of our conversation today, I'll lump them more on we'll say the moderate, left leaning side of the political aisle. A lot of the do good folks. They see electric or, I'm sorry, they see solar, they see wind. And they think, yes, we're saving the world. But to your point, that only is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the actual like energy production, and if it's talking specifically about electricity, in the very few things that you're leveraging right now that leverage electricity, it's, it's like, we're, we're building a solution for a problem that doesn't exist. But what you're referencing here is, now, let's, really take into consideration the true fossil fuels that Africa is more or less just exporting away that you could leverage here internally, like stop giving the fossil fuels to these countries who they say. We're going to cut all of our fossil fuel production or usage by 2030 2035 let's instead, if we're African countries, let's keep that in house, and let's use that to help us continue to advance and flourish as an African continent. Is that more or less what I'm hearing from you, yeah? That

Jusper Machogu  8:52  
is, that is just it, man, that is just it. Yeah? So number two, I'm gonna talk about the four pillars of modern civilization. So I'm gonna talk about plastics. So there is this energy historian. I don't know if you've heard of him. His name is backlabs Mill. He's from Canada or something. So Vaclav mill has done a lot of good work when it comes to you can read his book, his latest, I think, is okay. So he has got very many books on energy, but there is one that is really amazing, how the world really works, that is going to blow your mind. So he says that. So, life today, modern life as we know it, it starts from a maternity, which is covered by plastics, like it's the maternity is full of plastics, the gloves, the syringe, all of that plastics actually more than more than 25% of hospital equipment is made of plastic. So you can imagine that so modern life as we know it starts in a maternity covered with plastics. And. Ends in ICU, covered with plastics, and that that doesn't cover cover what plastics do. Because, like, if you look at cars, if you look at your phone, everything around you is literally made of plastics, and they made life so cheap.

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Jusper Machogu  12:21  
That's why, like, if you came to Africa, if you came to my community, going to see kids were wearing $1 shoes to school, the cheap plastic shoes that come from China, they the plastics really do amazing work over here. So that is number one, the four pillars of modern civilization. Number two, I'm going to talk about still. And number three, cement. So we can't have modern structures, modern housing, minus still the river and minus cement. All of that depends on fossil fuels. Plastics are also from fossil fuels. So we really, really need that. Like, we can't have a construction you can't have roads. Think of it, you name it. You can't have all of that, minus concrete and and steel. You can't have farms, farm machinery, miners steel. You can't have industries minus steel. Like steel is very, very essential. Number four, I'm going to talk about fertilizer. So the four pillars of modern civilization, fertilizer. But number three, on why fossil fuels for Africa, let me talk about agriculture, because that is going to fertilizer is going to blend in. So, number one, I said energy. Number two, I've said the four pillars of marine civilization. Number three, I'm going to talk about agriculture. So today about 6060, okay, so let me put it like this, six. If we want to improve the the lives of Africans, if we want to improve the life of an an average African, you're going to realize that six to seven out of 10 Africans rely on agriculture for livelihood. That's where we getting Yeah, so that's how we're meeting our basic needs, how we feed ourselves. That's literally how we earn a livelihood, six to seven. So how do we improve how do we improve agriculture? We need farm machines so it beats me that at the moment, mechanization, farm mechanization, in Africa is very low. It's at two to 4% two to 4% so think of it like this. If you went to my social media, especially on Twitter, um, I always post stuff because, like, I'm a farmer, so I'm going to the farm. I'm digging stuff up. I'm weeding our farm. I'm using a hole. My mom is maybe weeding our finger millet from eight in the morning to maybe five in the evening, depending with the weather on the weather, like, if it rained, she's going to go home early, and that is how I. About more than 95% of my community and a livelihood, like people toiling, toiling man from eight in the morning to five in the evening every day, from Monday to Friday to maybe minus the weekend. So farm mechanization. Farm mechanization has really improved agriculture, like, if you can't have modern agriculture miners, farm organization and those machines, as I said earlier, they are made up. They are made up of steel. But these machines can't be powered by solar and wind. They can't be powered in electricity. You can't power these machines using batteries. It's impossible. The only way you can power these machines is by using an energy dense fuel, which is diesel, you just can't so for mechanization in Africa, at two to 4% at the moment, if you go to India, it's about 45% if you go to China, 75% if you go to the US, 95% so literally, tractors, the farm machines, combine harvesters, them, them, they are feeding you guys. But in Africa, I have to depend on my muscle. I have to use my muscle. I have to eat and go to the farm and toil from morning to evening to earn a livelihood to to feed ourselves.

Brian Nichols  16:18  
Hey, Jasper, really quick. I do have a question to that, and this kind of goes to an economic question. I have we talk about economics, supply, demand, incentive structures, just based on what you're outlining, there is 1,000% a demand from Africans across the board, for these resources, right, for better farming tools for actually advancing agriculture. My question then comes up, where are the companies filling that void? Where are they seeing there's a demand, and bringing their solutions, bringing their products to Africa, they can make a lot of money, right, because now they're presenting a solution to a populace that needs it, and then obviously Africa is getting the resources they need to progress. Is it a matter of there just isn't the dollars in Africa to go towards these, these companies to bring these resources in? Or is there something else I'm missing?

Jusper Machogu  17:14  
I think it boils down to poverty, like people over here are very poor. Let me talk about my community, because that way I'm going to paint a better picture. So over here we have families, like a whole family. A good example is my family of although we are better off, but most families over here in a year, like in a in in a full year, they going to save less than two 200 USD in a whole year. You can imagine that, and that depends with if, maybe, if you have kids who are in school, you're not going to save anything like you're going to struggle to feed yourself from day to day. You're going to struggle to pay school fees for your kids and stuff like that. So these poor, very these people are very, very poor. You can imagine a person, a whole family, making 200 USD per year. How do they manage to afford a tractor costing, say, 15 to 12,000 or 15,000 USD? It's almost impossible, but we can get second hand tractors, maybe from Japan. But now the another big problem is policy. Policy, policy. We have the UN the IMF and World Bank meddling in our business. This particular organization don't want African the African continent, the African continent. They don't want the Africans to flourish. Why they just do? I don't know. I feel maybe it's because if with flourish, we're going to need our our phosphate rock, which is found in Morocco. We're going to need our oil. I told you 75% going outside. We're going to need that. We're going to need our natural gas for fertilizer. We're going to need our resources. We're going to need our gold. So I don't think they would want that.

Brian Nichols  19:04  
Let me ask this, at what point does Africa say, well, that's too bad, and we're going to just keep everything that we produce in house. It's going to better us, it's going to push us forward. It's going to propel us to a better future. What happens then?

Jusper Machogu  19:20  
I think that's going to happen. Look at good examples. Whatever is happening in Kenya at the moment. Some people refer to it as anti government protest. Others refer to it as anti bad governance protest. But whatever it is, we literally the IMF told our government to enact these stupid policies, policies that are going to hurt the common Kenyan, policies that are going to ensure that this Kenyan is suffering the getting over taxed the like every. Thing, taxation on everything, bread, cars, fertilizer, fuel, everything, even cancer treatment like, tax on everything. And so what the common manainji said, the the common Kenyan said, is, we're not going to listen to the IMF, and that's why, like you see them carrying posters up saying, we are not an IMF. There is a word which starts with the letter B, so we are not an something, something of the sort. So anyway, at the eventually, inevitably, it's going to happen. We're going to say we're not going to listen to these Neo colonial whatever policies. We're not going to listen to these new colonial organizations like the UN the IMF and World Bank, and that's how we're going to beat poverty. That's how we're going to start using our own resources. That's how we're going to start using our own fossil fuels, because, like, we have plenty of that well,

Brian Nichols  21:00  
and Jasper, this kind of goes to something we've been talking about here in America. And this is more from our political perspective, that we see a lot of bad things happening in America. And one recurring theme is, you got to be the change you want to see, because nobody's coming to save you. And I love that you're you're highlighting that right now, it seems like a lot of Africans are waking up to the reality that nobody's coming to save you. You have to be the ones to save yourselves. And that starts with saying, No, we don't want our resources, leaving our country, leaving our continent, and going and empowering other first world countries to take what they've already built and progress further. How about this? We're going to take our countries, our continent that has been very much impoverished, very much held back. Instead, we're going to start focusing on ourselves first. And I mean, at the end of the day, Jasper, is that not the best plan of attack? Because if you're able to motivate your communities to see a better path forward, excluding all the other white noise, the IMF, the World Banks, all those other folks. Now you can instead just start to mobilize the folks who not only really care about this stuff, but the folks who this is going to impact the most.

Jusper Machogu  22:11  
Yeah, that's already happening. My twitter space is growing like I see Kenyans following me, the Africans following me, they'll be sending me texts, telling you Whatever I'm saying is how we how every other African should be saying it like we need our own resources. Why can't we use our own resources to develop our economies? So that is a good thing. Yeah. Let me. Let me continue talking about agriculture. Oh, yeah. So as I said earlier, number one for agriculture, okay, I should have said fertilizer number one, but I said for machinery, let's go on with that. So a good, a good, a good. There is this good example, like it's a good statistic, a good, a great fact. Let me put it like that. So back in 1800 and a farmer in the US, an American farmer, was putting up to 10 minutes to produce a kilo of wheat, 10 minutes like you had to work for 10 minutes in your farm to produce a kilo of wheat. Today, that farmer uses about two two seconds of their time to produce one kilo of wheat because of farm machines. So you can imagine like a combined harvest is going to replace, let's say 1000 people, 1000 people working like it's going to cut the heads of, let's say wheat. It's going to thresh, it's going to, we know, it's going to even park it's doing all of that simultaneously. I show my I show people how my mom is weeding her weed, planting her wheat, finger millet, sorry, how she's planting her finger millet, weeding it, and then cutting the head she's using. She's like kneeling down through the day, cutting the head like that. And that's what happens throughout these African countries. We don't want that. That's why I'm saying, let's end toil in Africa. In I hear people say, just stop toil. Just stop oil. I'm saying, just stop toil. Let's end toil in Africa. Number two, I'm going to talk about fertilizer. We really need fertilizer, and what the crop needs is NPK. Those are the macronutrients, NPK. N stands for nitrogen, P for phosphorus, K for potassium. That's what the crop really needs. So how you do that? People say organic farming. I hear people say, Let's why can't we use farmyard manure? Why can't you we use cow dung, manure? And these people don't know what. They don't know what goes into producing a bounty harvest. Let me put it like that. So what, what crops really need is the NPK. How do you get the nitrogen? Nitrogen is like the most important. How do you. Get the nitrogen you need, the nitrogenous fertilizers. Nitrogenous fertilizers from natural gas. That's how the nitrogenous Fertilizers are made. You need natural gas, which is a fossil fuel, and that's going to improve our it's going to transform how much we produce at the moment. So let me talk about urea. Urea has got a nitrogen a nitrogen content of 46% you can't compare that to cow dung. Well decomposed cow dung has got a nitrogenous content of 4% at best, 4% compared to 46% so at the end of the day, you realize that what you need. So if I want to, if I want to fertilize my crop, let's say one hectare of land, I need 100 kilos of urea. That's what I need from urea. But if I, if I had to substitute the urea for well decomposed cow dung. I'm going to need 10 to 30 tons. Where do you get the 10 tons from? How do you? How do you it doesn't make sense. So that's why. If you look at how much, how much we produce, a good example is, let's, let's talk about corn or maize, we produce two tons of corn per hectare. That's the amount of corn that an average farmer in the US was producing in 1800 in 1800 today, the American farmer is producing 12 tons of corn per hectare. You can't compare 12 to two with two? Yeah, you just can't. So we really need fertilizer, and fertilizer should be number one because, like, I have the land already. If I I'm using solid, we are using solid in fertilizer. We're using 20 to 40 kilos of fertilizer per HaCha in Africa, on average, you can't compare that to, let's say, in the US, they're using 100 a farmer using 100 kilos of fertilizer per Hatcher. In Europe, green Europe, they're using about 170 kilos of fertilizer per hatch. India is using 250 kilos. China is using 360 360 kilos of fertilizer per hatch compared to 20 kilos of fertilizer per Hatcher. In Africa, that is very low, if we want to improve the lives, six to seven out of 10 lives of these Africans, what we just need to improve on is fertilizer. Like if these people had access to cheap fertilizer, they'd produce so much food that they could feed themselves. Beat hunger, beat poverty. Attention

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Jusper Machogu  28:36  
all of that. Okay, so number number three. So I said fertilizer. I've said farm machines. Number three is going to be irrigation. Irrigation is going to be a game changer. Because, like we why should we rely on a rain fed agriculture? Like you have to wait for the rains so that you can plant your maize, when we could literally irrigate our lands and produce crop throughout the year. How do you irrigate your land? You you need, you need fossil fuels. Maybe for pumping the water. Maybe for drilling boreholes. Maybe for desalination of ocean water or salty water. You need, the plastics, the the piping. You need the maybe, if you want to have greenhouses for your crops you need at the end of the day, you realize that we need fossil fuels. Number four, I'm going to talk about value addition, and that is the end of agriculture. Value addition. Value addition, like we need industries, industrialization. I know people say technology, they say Facebook, they say Tiktok and stuff like that. People don't appreciate industrialization, like industries. Look at China. China. China is doing a lot of great work, like which will be copying whatever China is doing, like China has done what the West did in maybe a. 100 years, in 30 to 40 years. So like China, China is consuming a lot of coal. It's consuming a lot of oil, and, you know, natural gas, and, yeah, value addition, industrialization. So with value addition, we don't have to send our raw products to these Western countries, I know, like market. If we want to sell stuff to the US, it's good if somebody wants it's if a farmer wants to sell their product, their produce, to the US. If we want to sell our gold to the US, what we need to do is value add the gold like we shouldn't be selling raw stuff to these western countries. That is all I'm saying. And that is going to ensure that we have factories, we have industries set over here, industry that are going to rely on energy from fossil fuels. And these industries are going to end youth unemployment. And, yeah, that's why I'm saying fossil fuels for Africa.

Brian Nichols  30:58  
I love it. And with that, Jasper, that's perfect timing, because we're getting hard pressed for time here. So what I want to do, I have one final question for you. You tease this earlier, and I just, I think, for context, this is an important question for me to ask. You mentioned the just stop oil people and you met, you had a little bit of a laugh when you mentioned it, and I think my audience agrees. But you see this on social media, and you mentioned that a lot of your your neighbors in Africa, they have smartphones or laptops, so I'm sure that they're connected, and they're seeing these protests, you know, these hyper privileged white folks in Europe and in America, they're blocking roadways, they're destroying works of art. They're just, they're they're they're being the they think they're being a hero, right? They think they're doing the right thing. But I just from your perspective, being someone who's leading for promoting a fossil fuels in Africa. I mean, I had Alex Epstein on the show here back, what, three years ago, four years ago, and we were talking about his book in defense of fossil fuels. So we see the argument, we hear the argument. But when you look at those, just stop oil folks. Jasper, what's the perception? What? What do you guys think when you see those types of folks protesting on social media? Is there, is there as much of a like, just really reaction that we have on our side of the aisle, or is it even more frustrating, because you understand that this stuff is what literally can help make your community better.

Jusper Machogu  32:30  
Whenever I see the just top oil movement or whatever they do, blocking roads, blocking airports and stuff, spraying this expensive gallery and stuff like that. Whenever I see that, I feel like these people are just spoiled. These people, these are the kind of people who think that food comes from grocery stores. It doesn't come from farming, you know. So anyway, what, what, what, what I have money to to do is I have this sustainable internship program for this kind of people, like, if you saying sustainable living, if you're saying we should be worried about climate change, why don't you come to Africa? Come to rural Kenya. Kisi, Kenya, I'm going to show you how I'm going to I'm going to ensure that you know how to produce your own food sustainably. I'm going to ensure that you fetch water from 600 meters away, clean water for your use sustainably. I'm going to ensure that you know how to fetch firewood from underneath trees. You fight the sticks, and you know how to light a fire and cook your own food sustainably. That's what I'm I'm I'm offering these people instead of you going to maybe blocking a road and going to jail, because, like, I've seen some of them being jailed five five years. You don't need jail time. Come to Africa, leave what you preach. Live sustainably.

Brian Nichols  33:49  
I love it, Jasper. We are with that. Going to put a pin in today's conversation. I want folks to go ahead and reach out learn more. I know you have an amazing sub stack you're doing some work on as well as you mentioned the social medias you're over on Twitter, x.com so just really quick for the audience, fill us in. Where can they go ahead, support the sub stack, support the link or the Twitter, and I'll make sure we include those links in the show notes. Yeah,

Jusper Machogu  34:13  
I don't know if people in the West know about Bitcoin. You can support me using Bitcoin like that, instantaneous, by the way,

Brian Nichols  34:21  
just we do know about Bitcoin, and a lot of us are, we're on board with it, so that's good to know. Okay,

Jusper Machogu  34:27  
yeah, so yeah, I'm going to, I'm going to send you where people can support me on Bitcoin and maybe buy me a coffee.

Brian Nichols  34:36  
There you go. Awesome. And all those links social media, the Bitcoin links by Jasper a coffee that's right, all those in the show notes. I'm also going to include the link to the conversation with Alex Epstein in defense of fossil fuels. We actually were breaking down the Down to Earth Docu series that was over on Netflix, starring Zac Efron back at the beginning of the pandemic. Really great breakdown there with our good buddy, Alex Epstein, so I'm going to include that in the show notes. Go ahead check that episode out. And with that being said, Jasper, it has been an amazing conversation. Thank you for joining us today. Any final thoughts as we wrap things up?

Jusper Machogu  35:13  
No fossil fuels for Africa.

Brian Nichols  35:16  
There you go, Jasper. Thanks for joining us.

Jusper Machogu  35:18  
Thank you.

Brian Nichols  35:19  
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