Funny Cat Behaviors Explained!

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Welcome to the Cat Conversation, a show that is entertaining, educating,

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and empowering cat people. I'm KJ, your kitty correspondent.

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I hope you enjoy the show. And if you do, remember to rate,

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review, and subscribe. How

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you doing? It is KJ, your kitty correspondent. I'm so excited we're

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live. This is something we've been

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trying to do for a while now with the cat conversation. And if

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you've been to some of our live events at the Smitten Kitten Cat Cafe,

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thank you. The more that we are talking about cats, the more we're

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understanding cats and the more that we are helping them. Now,

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if you were with us for the episode last month, It

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was a pretty heavy episode. It was wonderful. It

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was inspiring. And it is posted now.

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It is our guide for grieving pet

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lovers. And we did record it at

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the Smitten Kitten Cat Cafe. And I was amazed at

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the amount of cat lovers who came forward, shared stories,

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shared how vulnerable it is to lose a pet. So

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I hope that that is not a resource that you need anytime soon,

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but please know that that episode is available now on

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YouTube and in all of the podcast places. So

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if you do need to know that you are not alone and that we do

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understand how difficult it is to lose one

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of your furry friends. we do have that episode

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available to you, and I hope it will bring you as much comfort as

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it brought me. We are switching gears today to

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bring you a fun show about cats. We

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talk a lot about cat behavior, and a lot of times when

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those two words come up together, it's like, oh

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no, what's the cat doing? Well, Most

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of what our cats do is pretty fun, pretty entertaining, and

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we love them, and that's why we keep them around. So

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I am very excited today to bring back

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a special guest to the show, Dr. Rachel Geller.

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when cat behavior co kind of think like, you k you

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know, oh no, what are they doing wrong? And that's

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Right. It's so true. I mean, we automatically assume

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that the cat is misbehaving on purpose or doing something

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out of spite or revenge. But the fact

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of the matter is cats do not think about right and wrong

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the way we humans do. They think in terms of

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meeting their needs and solving their problems. So

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what looks like to us as misbehavior is

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really a cat's logical and rational response,

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solving a problem in her environment as

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a cat. And that's the important part to remember. She's

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Now, if you have any questions, please let us know. We are going to

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try to stick to the funny and fun behaviors today,

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but we are happy to be a resource to you. Thanks

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to everybody who is joining in KJ's Cat Club

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right now. We got some great questions, Rachel,

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from our members there in

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the club. But before we get into the Q&A

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that we are going to do today, we may have some, you

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know, some people that are new to you. And I

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would love to just kind of give you a chance to introduce yourself and

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share how you got to this point where you really are such

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Well, thank you, KJ. So I am a certified cat

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behavior and retention specialist. So what that means is not

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only do I focus on cat behavior, but I focus on what's called

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surrender prevention, how to keep that cat in

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the home. if a person is thinking of surrendering her cat because

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the cat has behavior problems. So I really focus on

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solving behavior problems, keeping cats out

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of shelters, and helping shelters that

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may have cats who present with certain behaviors or

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have behavior problems, helping shelter staff and volunteers

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solve those problems as well so the cat can be adopted. So,

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hmm, how did I get started on this journey? I

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was this little girl growing up in Auburn, Maine, and I would take

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a walk around the block in my neighborhood, and somehow I always

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found an endless parade of cats who really needed

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me and who somehow made their way into my home.

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But, you know, I grew up with a lot of cats and learned a

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lot of lessons around responsibility and being a

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good caretaker, being, you know,

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learning about good stewardship of the

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cat's needs. And as I got older

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and I got more involved, I sat in a lot of animal welfare

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boards and cat shelter boards. But

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I really decided to go all cats

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all the time. And that is the name of my nonprofit, which

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focuses on removing financial barriers that people

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may be presented with when they're trying to solve cat

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behavior problems for their cat. So I provide all of my cat behavior counseling

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completely free of charge. And I also, you know,

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sometimes people need more than advice. They need stuff, they need

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a cat paraphernalia, they need a medical assist. And

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through my foundation, I'm able to provide that as well. And

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I always accept as many invitations as I can to be

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on this type of a show. So thank you, KJ, because there's

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another avenue for me to get out the word and help people

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And I, you know, I appreciate that you point out because

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I think it's, you know, oftentimes, you know, we're not

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alienating dog people. I also, I love

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dogs, you know, and I think you do too.

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And especially anytime we're doing shelter work, it all comes together. There

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just seems to really be a need for

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us to understand cats them better, we're happi and

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they stay in their ho adopted. And that's good for everybody. And

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there's so much more out dog trainers and dog welf cat

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behavior is kind of a up and coming, you know, f um,

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have both cats and do we, when we help

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And it's why we're here, and it's why I named

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the show The Cat Conversation, because you're right.

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We have some ideas about cats that aren't necessarily true anymore.

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We've learned more about them. There is training that

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you can do. I have several cats that do high fives and

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dance around and do behavior things that

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we have taught them. This is something

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you're going to get rewarded for. you know, kind

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of having that old school thought that, you know, a

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cat's just a cat is not true anymore. So we

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are changing the conversation. And today I want to

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get into these questions because y'all brought

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great questions today. Keep up in the comments.

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If something comes up as we're talking about a cat behavior and

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you're like, oh my gosh, my cat does that, or my cat does this, we

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want to include you as much as we can in the cat conversation.

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We're going to start out, Dr.

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Rachel Geller, I am going to challenge you with

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something that has been discussed many times in the Cat Club.

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We have our Cat Grayson, who is very well

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known. He does stories with me on Pet Pals TV. As

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we are recording this, he's seven days into recovering from

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surgery, and he is doing very well. And The

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little lump that needed to come out doesn't

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seem to have been any big deal. It just needed to

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go. So we're very happy. One of

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the things we were concerned about going into

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this surgery, which was such a weird thing to be worried about, is

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that His sister, Amelia, who

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is, she was just an itty bitty baby when we

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got her. I don't think she was even two pounds yet. And she

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wasn't, because we had to take her to get spayed when she made it to two pounds. Instantly

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imprinted on him. And I have a video to show you.

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She's six years old now, and she is still doing this. But

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she started suckling on his ear. So

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this is a, I mean, she is a full grown cat now,

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but as you can see, she needs his head and

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she has one particular ear. Like if his head turns

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and he offers the other ear, she doesn't want it. She wants this

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ear. And so, you know, when we were going into

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his surgery, I really, you know, was concerned, like,

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how are we going to keep her away from his face and away

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from his ear? And I'm explaining this to

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a new, the doctor that was doing the surgery was a new doctor.

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So I'm explaining this to her. And I'm like, So, like,

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my other cat suckles his ear, and

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she was like, that's a new one. So, over

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to you. What is that behavior? Is

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that something you have come across before? And can you explain

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I have come across this before, you know, so these behaviors that,

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you know, the average cat parent thinks are really strange.

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In my world, this is actually kind of common. So, so

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first and foremost, absolutely nothing to worry about. So

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cats suckle each other, they groom each other. It's a

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way, you know, to mimic contentment, kind

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of think about the good old days when they did that with their mom.

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So, you know, think about us if we decide we want to like be

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under a blanket, eat like a bowl of macaroni and cheese or comfort food

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or something, right? It brings back those lovely feelings of

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childhood when you were loved and you were cared for and it

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feels kind of good. It's the same thing. So the

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cat is suckling because it reminds her of you

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know, being cared for, being loved, being nurtured.

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It releases all those feel-good endorphins and

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chemicals in her brain. And, you

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know, they do the, people call it making biscuits. They need the

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same reason, you know, kittens need to express the

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milk from their mom cat. So these are just all

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like really wonderful feelings all

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mixed with l and so it's a sign that t each other. The cat who' is choosing the

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other cat care

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and trust and love. So these are all very

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good things. As long as the other cat doesn't mind, as long

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as the other cat isn't getting like run and raw or sore, it's

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really nothing to worry about. I mean, it's certainly very cute.

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It's very endearing and it is completely normal

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behavior. It would be akin to us kind of like going down

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that nostalgic nostalgic road and,

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OK, yeah, it is interesting. She picked his

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ear that was that was tipped during his surgery.

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And so it's already there's like a little callus there. So I

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don't think he minds it as much because he probably

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doesn't have as much feeling right there. But she goes for the other ear

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That's so funny. You know, and a lot of it's habit too.

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You know, they start off with one ear or one place or one

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paw, whatever it might be with your cat. And then it just, that becomes the

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habit. So cats are creatures of positive

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associations. They love predictability. They hate

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change. So often once a cat, you know, starts a

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And I'm very happy to report seven days out

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of surgery. Amelia did not go

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near his face at all. And she

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actually yesterday was the first time that they cuddled and she

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actually laid So her head was on

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the opposite side. So it was closer to his bum. So they

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were laying opposite. I just, you know, those are the things where

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I'm like, you know, they're so intuitive. They're so

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smart. We were so worried about how are we going to keep her away from

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his ear? She just knew. She knew how

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to take care of him. She knew what he needed. And

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now they're, you know, slowly making their way

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back to each other. you know, hopefully in another week that

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It's lovely to see, really, isn't it? The way they understand

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each other. It really is nice. So I'm glad all that worry was

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for naught. Yes. Very happy that everything worked out.

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All right, first question from KJ's

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Cat Club. Leanne says, my five-month-old kitten drools a

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lot when she shows affection. By the time she's done

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loving and cuddling, her face is all wet and there's drool all

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This is actually a pretty common cat

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behavior. So this is exactly what happens. And again, it's

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a good thing. So some cats, when they get so

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happy, they actually forget to swallow. They just

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get into this zen state. They are so happy.

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They are so relaxed that literally, they

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just completely forget to swallow. And so they begin

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to drool. So it's it's completely again, this is a normal

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behavior. It's doesn't mean anything is wrong. She's

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not choking or having some type of, you

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know, bad experience. She's get so like

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on another plane t about things like swallow means that

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she's really g the

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affection between the two of you. So, you

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know, although it might be a little wet and perhaps messy, enjoy

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it because it really is, it is a lovely

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sign of love, affection, and trust. I mean, if you can imagine how

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much your cat trusts you to just let go like that. That's

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I did it. I've had cats that did that, but I didn't realize

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that the actual, like what's actually happening is

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Yes, I would have a cat just sit in my lap. and

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drooling away and, you know, whatever I was wearing, I obviously had

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to change my clothes. Sometimes if I saw her coming,

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because she did it so often, I would actually have a table. She

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did this so often that I would have a towel next to

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Yeah, I still have that. Melody will

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do this, my Calico. And the first night we got her home, I

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was wearing this Avengers hoodie, because I'm a huge nerd,

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if you can't tell. And it was this

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collectible. It's one of my favorite hoodies. It didn't make

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it anymore. And she grabbed onto it and started suckling

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on it. And there was drool everywhere. And I

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overnighted from Amazon a blanket of the same material

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because I was like, this is the most adorable thing, but you cannot

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do this to my Avengers hoodie. So,

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you know, here we are, and it's been six years, and she

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now has like her favorite blanket. It's just like a little child, right?

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It's bringing her comfort, and it's disgusting every time

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she gets done, but she's happy. It really

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is sweet, yes. Susan says

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Pepper has the funniest meows when he's hunting cat toys.

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He is extremely serious about stalking his quote-unquote prey

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and waits for me to call out to him then delivers his

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I love this because a lot of people don't realize and I wish more people sort

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of communicated with their cat the way Susan is with Pepper.

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So allow me to explain what I mean here. So cats

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don't meow to each other to have conversations. So Fluffy

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isn't going to go over to Puffy and say hey meow meow meow

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and then Puffy's not going to respond and say yeah meow meow meow. So

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cats use their meows for the most part to communicate

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with us. cats mainly meow to their humans and

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in addition to that they will modify the

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volume of their meows, the tone, the length

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of their meows when they

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get the response that they want. So most cat owners will

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tell you we know the hungry meow, we know the I

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want to play meow, we know that I've had enough meow and

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so forth. So they will modify and change

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their meows when they realize that we've come to

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understand what it is they're trying to tell us. So it really is

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quite fascinating. So if you're playing with your cat and

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they've used a meow that you've responded to in

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a way that they like and that they enjoy, they will now use

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that same meow every time that you play together. And

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people who respond back or talk with their cats, your

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cat will have a conversation with you. And now you

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don't have to sit there and meow. But if your cat meows and

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you, like, way to beat and you say whatever, you know, you're

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such a good boy or you're such a cute cat, and then they'll meow

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again, way to beat, say something else. you

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will have a back and forth, you will have a quote unquote conversation.

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So yes, they will sort of modify what they do,

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respond, they like to have fun. And

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as I said, cats love routine, cats

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love predictability, cats love schedule. So

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Susan has developed this routine with

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her cat Pepper. And because cats love routine so

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much, this is really working very, very well for Pepper,

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which also I'm sure is making Susan happy as well.

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So a cat, you know, that's out in the wild when

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they've caught their prey, they're not walking down the streets, howling,

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They don't want somebody else

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to come in and swoop the prey. So yes, a cat in the wild

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will be the opposite. They want to be stealth. They don't

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want to attract attention when there's food around, because

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that could be dangerous for that cat. But yes, domesticated

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cats indoors will very much, you know, develop

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their own little rituals, right? And I mean, I bet

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now that we're talking about this, people are listening, they're thinking about all the little

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routines they have with their cat, you know, whether it's, I wake up

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in the morning, and my cat does this, or once I go over here,

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my cat does this. But

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I have a large walk-in closet. And as soon as I open the door, I

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have one cat that he loves the closet. He'll

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dash in as soon as he can. And we'll have like a little routine

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there in the closet. He'll help me pick out my outfit and so forth. So

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anyway, that's the way I interpret it. He's a fashionista. I

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I have two cats. OK. And one

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I think he's, I mean, he picked out a great outfit. The

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Yeah. But they really do, once they put together sort

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of like a routine or a schedule, they enjoy adhering

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to that routine and that schedule and having that predictability. They

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All right, I knew this one was going to come up. And by the

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way, feel free to chime in here. Dan says,

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first time cat owner here. Why does my cat climb

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OK, well, first of all, this is not a message that she

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doesn't like you in any way. Again, these

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are all shows of affection and love. And so there

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could be a lot of different reasons for that. One reason might

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be that your cat wants to look the other way to make sure

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that she's keeping you all to herself. So she puts herself

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on your lap. She's looking out, especially if

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this is, I think he said it was a new cat owner. Yeah. So,

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you know, we're still sort of getting into that routine, getting to

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know each other. Cats always like to

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be on the lookout for, you know, opponents or

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predators or invaders, especially if they are in a

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new environment. So that could be a big part of it, too. And

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these opponents can be real or imagined. So,

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you know, the cat is getting to know you, the cat wants to make sure she has her territory.

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But also your cat doesn't think about her rear

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end, you know, the way we do. It's just part of her anatomy. But

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there are, you know, scent glands in their rear end.

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So sometimes that's a way to deposit. You know, they have scent glands along

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their chin, they have scent glands in their paw pads, and

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they also have scent glands back there. So, you

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know, sometimes it is kind of depositing their friendly deposits as

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well. It's nothing to worry about. I

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mean, one of my cats is a fluffy Maine Coon, and I think she has a very,

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very cute rear view. So just enjoy it. But it

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means nothing bad. It's it's

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a completely normal cat behavior. Go ahead and pet her. And some

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cats I feel do feel more comfortable kind of facing out than

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facing in. You know, when they're facing in, as I said, they

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can't really see any approaching invaders or

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opponents into their area. So they're just

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kind of making sure they have that clear visual field as they're, you

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I remember, you know, similar

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to you, it's just, I've had cats my whole life. And so there's just, there's

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just all these teaching moments where you go, oh, that's why you're

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doing that. And I wrote about that in

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my book. I had a Norwegian forest cat, same thing. I thought

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her little behind was super cute. But

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she was so friendly and outgoing.

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She was daddy's girl, and she loved when people came over, and

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she'd do this little floppy thing for everyone. And she did none

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of that for me. She would, when I would get in bed

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at night, she would sit at the end of the bed and like

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you said, she'd put her butt to me and I

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was starting to get offended, like, what

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did I do? Why is this cat? The only thing she wants to

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do with me is for me to go to bed so she could stick her butt in

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my face. And if I touch her, she runs away. And

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I started reading up on Norwegian forest cats and they

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choose that they typically choose one person

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to protect. And as I started paying attention to her behavior, I

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was like, oh, my gosh, she can't relax until

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I sleep because she's got to watch the door and

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make sure I'm OK. And she's like, go to sleep. I'll

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keep you safe. And I'm over here going, why do you

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hate me?" And she's actually like, I'm the one she's choosing.

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Yes, she's protecting you, she's protecting

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the environment. There are cats who are what we call owner-centered, who

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kind of choose like their person. But, you know, cats really

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do, they want to monitor their territory, let

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other cats or other animals who might be out there

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know that they're there to stand their ground. And again, these can be,

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you know, real or imagined. So, you

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know, she's just keeping the territory safe, she's protecting

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herself, she's protecting you, she's going to make sure there aren't

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any invaders, and that's all a good thing, you

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Absolutely. This is the Cat Conversation. I've got

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Dr. Rachel Geller here with me, and we are answering your

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questions about the funniest cat behaviors. Kara

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wants to know, will we ever understand why

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We will. And I think the main reason I

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see cats do this is they're not getting enough what

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I call interactive play. So you might be playing with

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your cat. You probably are. You know, a lot of people play with

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their cat with the wand toys. They toss some solo toys. They

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might have some other of those automatic things that are going on. But

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here's the thing. When you're playing with your cat, you need

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to give your cat a chance to feel something tangible and

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real between her paws or between her

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teeth. And if she's not getting that, these are the cats

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who then engage in behaviors that we humans will call destructive.

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But again, your cat has a need to

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capture things and feel these things between her paws and

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between her teeth. So she's not being destructive. She's

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trying to meet a need that she has and solve her problem.

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So most people can solve this problem very simply by

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switching up the way they play. So get out that fishing pole type

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toy. And I really want you to mimic prey. So

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don't just move the toy back and forth in a predictable pattern. That's

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not realistic. Don't take the toy and go up to your cat's face

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and wave it wildly about in the cat's face. That's

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not realistic either. There is no prey that's going to fly right into your

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cat's face. Rather, mimic prey. Sometimes

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you're up. Sometimes you're down. Sometimes you slither around

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something. Sometimes you scurry about and hide. Sometimes you stop

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moving at all because you are playing dead to trick

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the cat. Or perhaps the prey has lost stamina. So

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really mimic prey. And during the session,

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so many people think the whole idea is how long I can keep

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this toy away from the cat, get the cat to keep chasing it. But

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really, The whole idea of play is how many captures

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the cat can get, how rewarding and satisfying

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it is for the cat. So during the session, make

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sure there are many opportunities where the cat can actually get that toy

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between her paws or between her teeth and

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stop moving the toy. And when the cat realizes the

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toy is no longer moving, She'll relax her grip a little bit,

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and then you can resume the game. So do this a few times during

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the session. And when you're ready for the game to end,

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the play session to end, don't just say, oh, we've been

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playing for about 10 or 15 minutes. OK, game over. Goodbye.

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No, what we want to do again is really simulate that

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hunt. We want to mimic prey. So wind the

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game down slowly. The prey is getting tired.

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The prey has gotten injured. The prey dies. And

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let your cat have that one last final juicy

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capture. Let her hold on to that toy with her

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paws. Let her sink her claws into it. Let her sink her

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teeth into it. And then immediately follow this with

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a small treat, a small portion of a regular meal,

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something yummy that your cat will enjoy. Because

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what your cat wants to do is eat her

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caught and killed prey. The whole point of

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the hunt is to eat what she captured. And when

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you do this, you now put your cat into her natural hunt,

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eat, sleep cycle. And cats who go through this hunting

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sequence and cats who feel that very positive

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feeling of that, you know, tangible catch between

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their paws and between their teeth. These

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are cats who aren't going to, for their own fun, have to

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knock something off your table and go chase it and

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pretend to catch the prey. She's getting that real

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And while we're talking about this,

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because it is that you're talking about that tangible thing, is

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there, you know, very rarely do

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we mess around with the laser light

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here. I know people, you know, love it and it's funny. And we

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did have to for a little time when Buffy,

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our youngest kittens, Giles and Buffy, she

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chewed on something and actually like, played a tug of

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war and lost, and her entire lower gum line was

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detached. And so they literally had to stitch it

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back together. And she was 12 weeks old at the

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time. And so to help her get energy out,

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because she couldn't play with anything, we did

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do some electronic games. And I was like, oh, as

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much as I don't want to get the red dot out, I think we need the red dot for a

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week. What

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are your thoughts on that? Is there a way

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to even do that? Or is that just a like,

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Yeah, I have very, very strong feelings on this topic. I'm

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sitting on my soapbox and here I go. So the

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laser pointer is an unwinnable game for your

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cat. Think of it from your cat's perspective.

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She sees this little red dot. She's a sure cat.

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She gets it into her eyes. She has it. She stalks

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00:31:33,748 --> 00:31:37,071
it. She pounces and there is nothing there. There's

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nothing between her teeth. There's nothing between her paws. Not

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00:31:41,335 --> 00:31:44,518
only is a cat really frustrated, but she's going to begin to

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00:31:44,578 --> 00:31:48,441
wonder why none of her great hunting techniques are working anymore.

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And this could actually cause a lot of depression or aggression

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because she never gets to bite into that tangible capture.

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She might try to seek that feeling in other places. And these are

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00:32:00,750 --> 00:32:05,054
cats who will chase a person's ankles or,

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00:32:05,074 --> 00:32:08,857
you know, bite when you move and so forth. But the

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00:32:09,217 --> 00:32:13,159
laser pointer really is a source of constant frustration because

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she can see the dot, she can chase the dot, but

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she can never, ever, ever capture that

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00:32:20,453 --> 00:32:24,137
dot. So I

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advise people to toss their laser pointers

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if they have one. These were developed for PowerPoint presentations in

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00:32:31,543 --> 00:32:35,046
the office, and really that's where they should stay. They're

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00:32:35,087 --> 00:32:38,970
not a cat toy. They do not provide the

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00:32:39,010 --> 00:32:42,453
simulation of a hunt. It is a game where

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00:32:42,473 --> 00:32:46,397
your cat can never be a successful hunter. She

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00:32:46,437 --> 00:32:49,761
can never win the game. She can never get the dot. So

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00:32:50,022 --> 00:32:53,246
I really do advise people to toss those

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00:32:53,306 --> 00:32:57,312
laser pointers, get out the fishing pole type toy and really

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00:32:57,732 --> 00:33:00,816
play with your game and play with your cat in a way that simulates a

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00:33:00,936 --> 00:33:05,520
hunt and leaves are happy. satisfied, confident,

499
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,002
you know, queen of her territory, king of his castle, I'm

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00:33:09,082 --> 00:33:12,183
catching my prey, I'm monitoring my territory. And,

501
00:33:12,203 --> 00:33:16,045
you know, all of those captures, tangible captures, every

502
00:33:16,105 --> 00:33:20,007
time this happens, you know, feel good chemicals and

503
00:33:20,047 --> 00:33:23,969
endorphins are released. And these chemicals

504
00:33:24,029 --> 00:33:27,871
and endorphins, these positive feelings, they're associated with you. Because

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00:33:27,891 --> 00:33:31,192
when you play with your cat and you're at the helm, you're part

506
00:33:33,147 --> 00:33:36,669
I love that. And I love that so much of this really is, you know,

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00:33:37,849 --> 00:33:41,411
it is based in their nature. It's science.

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It's who they are. It's what they are

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00:33:44,973 --> 00:33:48,874
as sentient beings. And so understanding

510
00:33:48,894 --> 00:33:52,116
that just changes everything about how you see

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00:33:52,156 --> 00:33:55,478
them. Because we We have chosen to

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00:33:55,518 --> 00:33:58,800
put them under a roof with four walls and

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00:33:58,860 --> 00:34:02,042
keep them from all the natural things that they are doing. So there

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00:34:02,282 --> 00:34:06,084
it becomes this understanding. I have a responsibility to

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00:34:06,124 --> 00:34:09,946
make sure that you are not a frustrated being

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00:34:10,647 --> 00:34:14,489
because I tried to give you a home. That's not

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00:34:16,329 --> 00:34:19,850
No, we do not want to create more problems

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00:34:19,910 --> 00:34:23,672
than we help, that's for sure. And yes, as

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00:34:23,712 --> 00:34:27,293
you said, it's very important for people to realize that cats are

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00:34:27,873 --> 00:34:31,115
natural born hunters. They need to

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00:34:31,175 --> 00:34:35,058
have that need met. and they need to have that cat, that means

522
00:34:35,098 --> 00:34:38,859
satisfied. So cats who do not receive, you

523
00:34:38,899 --> 00:34:42,620
know, that ability to have a capture, eat their capture,

524
00:34:42,980 --> 00:34:46,541
feel their capture, again, that whole physical and tangible capture,

525
00:34:47,002 --> 00:34:50,603
they will seek to solve that problem another

526
00:34:50,643 --> 00:34:54,204
way. So again, this is a cat who might knock stuff off, the

527
00:34:54,244 --> 00:34:57,705
cups off the table, the pictures off the shelf, the,

528
00:34:58,045 --> 00:35:01,547
you know, your ankles. If If the only

529
00:35:01,767 --> 00:35:05,210
stimulation and ability for your cat to sink his teeth into

530
00:35:05,250 --> 00:35:08,912
something is your ankles as you walk by, well,

531
00:35:09,052 --> 00:35:12,395
that's what's going to happen. So we really need to understand our cat's

532
00:35:12,515 --> 00:35:15,978
needs. Often these cats are not aggressive at all. They're

533
00:35:16,018 --> 00:35:19,620
not destructive. They have an unmet need. And again, your

534
00:35:24,255 --> 00:35:27,617
I love every chance I get to have a conversation with

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00:35:27,658 --> 00:35:31,040
you. Dr. Rachel Geller, thank you so much for being

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00:35:31,080 --> 00:35:34,222
here again. Can you just let everybody know how

537
00:35:34,282 --> 00:35:38,184
they can find you and follow along? And I

538
00:35:38,224 --> 00:35:41,727
know you've got a book on the way and all kinds of exciting stuff going on.

539
00:35:41,787 --> 00:35:45,069
Oh my goodness, so much going on. So you can check

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00:35:45,129 --> 00:35:49,192
out everything I do at drrachelkatbehavior.com. And

541
00:35:49,532 --> 00:35:53,395
on my website I also have all of my socials, so you can sign

542
00:35:53,495 --> 00:35:57,017
up and follow along. I try to be pretty good about

543
00:35:57,037 --> 00:36:00,319
it and, you know, post what's going on. And yes,

544
00:36:00,399 --> 00:36:03,882
I have my second book on the way. My first book, Saving

545
00:36:03,922 --> 00:36:07,544
the World One Cat at a Time, is available on Amazon. And

546
00:36:08,605 --> 00:36:13,167
I donate 100% of the profits, 100% to

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00:36:13,588 --> 00:36:17,530
cats, whether it's to cat shelters, as grants, to

548
00:36:17,770 --> 00:36:20,931
individual cat owners who can't afford something that

549
00:36:21,152 --> 00:36:24,493
they might need to be able to keep their cats. So not

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00:36:24,593 --> 00:36:27,775
only I think is it a great read and you'll enjoy it,

551
00:36:31,763 --> 00:36:34,885
That is really amazing. And I did have a

552
00:36:34,965 --> 00:36:39,308
question that came in from a

553
00:36:39,369 --> 00:36:42,571
clubber that I wasn't able to get pulled up. She

554
00:36:42,611 --> 00:36:47,094
wanted to know if you do consultations

555
00:36:47,474 --> 00:36:51,117
and if you do if you do them online

556
00:36:51,197 --> 00:36:54,459
for anybody in the country. I know that I

557
00:36:54,780 --> 00:36:57,942
were over here in Indianapolis, so that's where most of my cat people are.

558
00:36:58,162 --> 00:37:02,004
Yeah, yes, I will jump on a zoom and I do cat behavior consults

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00:37:02,064 --> 00:37:05,265
all over the world. I recently just did

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00:37:05,345 --> 00:37:08,947
a conference in Hong Kong, seminar in

561
00:37:09,007 --> 00:37:12,709
Singapore, I've done work in Israel, I've done work and

562
00:37:13,169 --> 00:37:16,845
where else recently, China. Yeah,

563
00:37:16,986 --> 00:37:21,668
Italy, Italy, yeah, so yeah. Once

564
00:37:21,748 --> 00:37:25,149
I figure out the time difference, get on YouTube and help

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00:37:28,971 --> 00:37:32,153
All right. This has been the cat conversation. I

566
00:37:32,193 --> 00:37:35,334
feel like we didn't even touch on

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00:37:35,534 --> 00:37:39,036
all of the funny cat behaviors we could have talked about today.

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00:37:39,136 --> 00:37:42,978
So I feel like there's another, at least one more episode coming.

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00:37:43,038 --> 00:37:46,420
This might be a regular thing if you're up for it. to hug

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00:37:46,500 --> 00:37:49,661
together. All right. If

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you enjoyed the show today, please make sure that you rate, review

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