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Feb. 23, 2024

From Dimmed Sight to Insight The Awakening of a Storyteller

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When life lands a crushing blow, where do you find the strength to stand back up? Our guest's incredible odyssey of grappling with Stargardt's Eye Disease reveals the deep reservoirs of human resilience and the miraculous power of faith to transform despair into triumph. A corporate career overshadowed by an invisible disability presents a battleground where insensitivity meets indomitable spirit, leading to a life-changing epiphany and the creation of a book that embodies the courage to reclaim one's narrative.

Imagine the stillness of lockdown becoming the canvas for a masterpiece; this is precisely what unfolded for our guest, who penned not one but four novels amid the solitude imposed by the pandemic. The rhythm of music set the tempo for a disciplined exploration into the craft of writing, culminating in the euphoria of becoming a published author. Their journey sheds light on the value of authenticity and the strength found in community—lessons that resonate with anyone chasing the dream of leaving their mark on the world through the written word.

The tapestry of life weaves together threads of family, faith, and the transformative power of personal challenges. Our guest opens up about the foundational influence of Auntie Shirley and the rich spiritual heritage that has been a beacon through the storms of life, including vision loss. In their ongoing quest, from writing to returning to acting school, they affirm that even when one sense dims, others may awaken, enriching the creative process and offering profound insight into the human experience and the spiritual truths that guide us.

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Chapters

00:11 - Overcoming Adversity

08:57 - Writing Journey During Lockdown

19:52 - Foundation of Faith and Resilience

23:30 - Life, Writing, and Transitioning

33:28 - Opening Eyes to Spiritual Truths

Transcript
Speaker 1:

MUSIC. Welcome, my good people, welcome to the CJA Moneyway Show and I'm with y'all CJA Moneyway, let's get it.


Speaker 2:

MUSIC. God had inspired you to get up off the floor to write this book that you got out right now, you know. So I just wanted to touch base with you, you know, to tell the people, give us an insight of how would you inspire. What was it actually that God inspired you to do to write this book?


Speaker 3:

All right. Well, first of all, thank you for having me CJA, I really appreciate it. I don't know problem. And so, essentially, when I graduated from college, I got married, I had kids, two children and I worked in the fashion retail world as an assistant buyer and went through that. I did that for 15 years, and when I had my first son, I found out I had an eye disease called Stargard's Eye Disease, and basically what that is is it's a retinal eye disease that attacks your central vision, right. And so when I got diagnosed, the doctor told me well, actually he gave me like a Sherlock Holmes magnifier and was like it's probably a good idea for you to learn Braille Now. At that time I could still see, but, like I was noticing, things were getting distorted, like with my vision, and I thought it was just my after having, you know, a child. But that's when I found out I had the disease. So anyway, long story short, as time progressed, so did my eye disease and I went with a different doctor.


Speaker 2:

Okay, yeah, I always go second opinion.


Speaker 3:

And then when he handed me that, you know, sherlock Holmes magnifier, and you know it was just basically like going on your way I was like, okay, hold on a time out. You know, I wanted to do some research, I wanted to find out, like, hey, is there a surgery? Can I get some eyeballs? You know, at the time I was making good money. So I was like, hey, I can buy some new eyes. I mean, tim, you can play with me too. But there are certain things that money just came by.


Speaker 3:

And with that disease, because it is macular, where, as a juvenile form of macular degeneration, there is no cure, it's very rare, right. So there was no money, there's nothing that I could do in order to change my situation, at that time I just, you know, knew, and, and the way the disease works is the central part. So whatever you're looking at starts to disappear, your peripheral stays intact and it leads to legal blindness. And that's where I am right now. Wow, okay. So in the process of that, cj, as I was losing my vision, you know, I woke up, couldn't read my text messages, and then after that I called my specialist, took off 12 weeks of work and did some occupational therapy to learn how to see again, went back to work, and when I say learn how to see, I'm talking with devices. Okay, so, with magnification, you know, with the new eyes that I have, I had to really start over as far as just you know how to see things in a way that I can still maintain my independence, and using this technology in order to be able to maneuver through my life. And so, anyway, after that, I went back to work, inspired, ready to walk and roll, and with me going back to work I had, like big screens. You know, I told you I had all these devices. I had been working for 15 years in a corporate environment, and this was prior to COVID, and so I had, you know, stipulations on hours that I could work and things like that.


Speaker 3:

And, long story short, I ended up leaving the job, and it was not necessarily by my choice. And so, after that happened and I went on, disability that took me to the floor. Okay, it was a I call it my season of loss, because I had lost my central vision. I went back, inspired to go to work, and when I went there, I have an invisible disability. So it's one of those things that people can't really see, right, even though it's there for me. And so when I would come in looking like you know this and like, ready to rock and roll, even though I couldn't see, you know really was in front of me, it was like I couldn't get my coworkers to understand it. No, you know, what I have is a real disability, and when I was in needings, trying to present things, you know, they would say, oh, hurry up, hurry up, you know. And so they made me feel or that made me feel incompetent, and so I started to lose myself.


Speaker 3:

And anytime you lose yourself and your core, then it takes you to the closet. That's where I went first. It takes you to the bed. You know, that's the pressure and that's what took me down. So, anyway, once I got down there on the floor, I was hearing things like hey, you had a lot that you have done in your life, you've accomplished a lot. You made the six figures by the time you were 30. You have the children and you have your husband and you've had these things and maybe this has been in for you, right.


Speaker 3:

But then I heard get up, and it was loud and clear and it was just like I just got up. And so when I got up I looked in the mirror and I had dirt stains, you know, from being on the floor and all that because you don't clean when you depress, you know. I was on the dirty floor and in the bathroom and so I didn't recognize myself. But when I heard that get up, I got in the shower and started just cleaning myself, crying, and I was like God, just tell me what to do so that I will never get on the floor again, because being down there is a horrible place to be. And I didn't. I don't wish that on nobody, right. So I said God, tell me what I need to do so that I don't get on that floor, and I will help as many people as I can to not get on that floor. And God said write a book.


Speaker 2:

That's right, clear, clear.


Speaker 3:

And so, just like you just said, I said okay, didn't know nothing about writing a book, yeah, yeah. But I heard God say write a book, right. So I said okay. So I went and I told him legally blind. So I had to scream about this big. I had two words on there and so I said all right. So what I'm going to do now you know, and I put it here, and all these different, you know characters, they start coming to life in my brain.


Speaker 3:

I got a little discouraged for a second because I was thinking I needed to write Christian literature. But that's not what was calling me Right. The characters that I were talking to me were criminals, and so I was like, all right, well, okay. And so I got a little scared at first and I turned on the radio and you know who was playing? Beyonce, and it was the song Black Parade. Like I'm going back to the style, I'm going back back and that's what I was about to write about a queen in Africa. And I was like there's God telling me to keep going, right. It's like, hey, just keep going. And I didn't realize it was Juneteenth and so that maybe even feel like just the ancestors telling me. So it's God, using the ancestors, using Beyonce, using all of these things, telling me to do what God told me to do, which was to write a book, and that was three years ago, and I'm a published author.


Speaker 2:

Congratulations, congratulations. Your journey took a little. It took less time than mine, my writing book journey. It was 2001,. 15 years, 14 years, amen, thank God. So, like the process has been a writer and things of that nature. I know that we go through it's called writer's block, and so did you experience any of that as you was going through this book? A lot of times when we sit back and you meditate about things, you put things together. You're not actually writing, but you're actually thinking about certain things, concepts. So how was that, as far as the writing process, when you came up with the characters and things of that nature that inspired you to actually dive into it the way that you did?


Speaker 3:

Okay, I love that question. So, basically, it just started with me first trying to figure out like, who am I Right? So I started with that question and that's why I was telling you I started kept going back. I kept going back different generations, okay, you know. I realized it was June.


Speaker 3:

Team 2020 was in the middle of COVID. I started writing my first book and by the time Black Pearl came, which was in December of 2020, so I started writing June 2020, okay, june 10th. By the time December of 2020, the same year, came, I had written four novels, oh, okay. So when I tell you I didn't stop, it's like once I heard that song and I felt something take over me. I just started writing. I wrote my first book and I told my husband. I said just give me a year, let me see where this goes Right. And so after I finished the first book, in about a month, he was like I gotta keep going. I was like it's another story, you know, a character has spun off and I write that story. And so there was a time, I mean, for that whole time, I just all I did was write and, as I said, it was during COVID. So you know, we was locked in, yeah, and when it was locked in, that gave me an opportunity to just stick with it. And when I had my first book completed, I was like I told you I know how to write. I did not, yeah, I did not, okay. So I saw that I started Googling, like what do I do? Once you do this? You know a woman had recommended to me, like okay, I kind of feel where you going, but you need a writing coach because you don't understand the concept. This is a craft, you know.


Speaker 3:

So, around it was November, that's when, in black pearl resurrected and I hired a writing coach and he happened to be a like I keep saying we were on lockdown, but that's important because I was pretty much his only person he was working with at that time and so he is a professor. He was a professor for 30 years, so he was a teacher by nature and so because and I was my student I've always been an eager student and a fast learner and so I was so hungry when he was telling me you know this, you do it this way, this is how you do it. And I'm talking about just the craft and the kind how to do. You know a basics paragraph. How to you know put thoughts together?


Speaker 3:

A scene is a beginning middle. So once he told me that it took me two months to finish black pearl, I was done in December of that year and by that following April, I was signing my first contract with my literary agent and I had my first book deal by Juneteenth that next year. Sit back and relax. You're listening to the moneyway show, okay that's.


Speaker 2:

That's what's up. So you said that you learned the concept you know, saying I have to learn.


Speaker 3:

I started just reading books about the craft. I started researching the craft of right. I looked up just for some of my future fiction or my some of the writers right now. William, sean, it's a format that you have to have a manuscript when you presenting. If you want to go the publishing route, you need to have a certain format of your manuscript, and so I looked that up so that I can understand what it's supposed to look like. It's kind of like your resume. You know I needed to be able to present myself professionally in this world, and so my writing coach helped me, but I also, because you know, he was charging coins.


Speaker 2:

Yeah, not for you.


Speaker 3:

You know I mean, so I had to use the university of YouTube and look at things up and you know, and then I was sending it to him Is this right, you know? And and I just did all I could to read and learn that time and yeah, and that's why I say it was God. So, to answer your question, I'm sorry. I haven't experienced a writer's block. I just write and if I don't have, I write. I spent every day. I write something, right, even if it's a couple of sentences or or it might be a poem or something like that. But I try to stay consistent with my writing time and I may not write a full scene. I've written a screenplay for Black Pearl as well. Oh, okay, so you know, I just, I just I just learned I'm reading and I'm writing every day.


Speaker 2:

You know that what you just said, you said you wrote a screenplay, which let's go back. Well, you talk about the writing. Okay, when I got my book published, you know, like you say it was, it was about God. It was God because there was a guy that I went to church with and he he does graphic designs. This guy had wrote an article of him in a newspaper and he own a publishing company, and so he showed him my manuscript and the guy, he took it right away because he liked it.


Speaker 2:

He, like you, know people can get something from this and so, you know, just didn't like how the guy told you when he got my manuscript, he said you are not a writer and I call out, right as I talk. You know I was writing as I talk, but that's not the format, you know. So when you saying that I like, that was the same thing that the guy told me, cause I write as I talk, but that's not how you, you know, say you write, a book is different, it's a different format, it's a different way that you got to end this or you say this or whatnot, but I still write as I talk. I had to learn the concept, like you but. But you know, it's a journey and especially with.


Speaker 3:

And you're published. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I got to have my wife.


Speaker 2:

I got to run and jump with my wife and some people that I run into. I say you can go Google me. Exactly, you can Google me. I'm just not known on Facebook or whatever. You can Google me.


Speaker 3:

Let him know. It doesn't matter. That's why I tell people, especially when it comes to art, you have to do what's coming from here. So the way one person do it, you don't have to do it the way that they do it. And that's what I learned with my writing too. It was like, okay, there's certain genres and there are certain rules that you're supposed to abide by, but also art is supposed to be free, flowing and create Right. So it's finding that balance and what works for you. So, amen, you know that you're published and, like you said, you know you use this, you have this platform to help other artists. So God is with you.


Speaker 2:

And I thank God. You know, you said something earlier that I think it was the beginning of, and you said God spoke to you and you heard him tell you to write a book. You know, and you can hear it clear as day, because I've been working on something and it was actually about the book of Genesis, when Adam and Eve ate from the tree, and this and that and so I saw something in there and it says that and the voice of God was walking in the cooler day in the garden.


Speaker 2:

And that kind of struck me because, just as you said, when you hear the voice of God you don't say that's because you had a relationship with God. And so when the voice is walking up on you you can hear it, just like they understood because they had a relationship. And so sometimes when you don't, the voice of God can walk up on us. But if you don't know the voice, if you don't know what he's saying and know who he is, it'll just go right past you, ooh, you're a priest of that.


Speaker 2:

No, I'm not a priest of that, but, but no, I'm just saying, though, you know. So it's that Absolutely I don't. You know what I'm saying. So my question is it's like, because the Bible says that train up a child into the way that they should go, and when they depart, when they get, oh, they want to depart from it. And so was it somebody in your family, you know, your mother, grandmother, somebody in that nature that was praying and that God asked your prayer because, listening to all the things that you went through and all the things that you overcame to be here today and telling your story and out here doing things in the world, you don't understand, it's very inspiring. And so who was it? That one person that you can just go back and say it was them prayers that got me through everything that I'm going through, cause I can say it was my mother.


Speaker 3:

That is such a proper question. I will tell you this it is a combination, okay. So my mother left me when I was six and I did not have a father. I was raised by my grandparents, okay. Okay, my grandmother, her name is Tia, so I'm named after her. My grandfather, his name is Thomas and, as far as my rocks, is the combination of the two of them, my grandmother, before she passed. I asked her cause. She was a nurse and she both of them knew I was in the arts. So, just so you know, I went into business and did all that. But I've always been kind of an artsy child, okay, and I've always been a little hustler and I'm like small pictures.


Speaker 2:

Every day I'm hustling.


Speaker 3:

You know I used to. I told you I sell my books right now to my trunks.


Speaker 2:

How do you?


Speaker 3:

talk Back in the day. I used to draw pictures and put them in a little folder and I used to walk around the neighborhood and sell my pictures for like 5 cents, 25 cents. That's how I used to buy Barbie dolls, Barbie clothes, and then I turned my room into a museum.


Speaker 3:

And then my brother like who is this? I would put half people come in and buy pictures for what you know, 25, 50 cents a dollar off my wall. Okay, so they knew I had this artsy side of me, but they always told me that it was a hobby. No, okay, so that's one thing, but my grandfather still always he had me listen. He said if you want to know how to do things, you always, you know, find it in a book. And so he did not have a formal education that took him beyond middle school, but he was one of the most intelligent people I knew, so he always instilled in me about making sure that you watch the people you know before you and learn from them.


Speaker 3:

And anything you want to know you can find it in a book. That's something my granddaddy told me. My grandmother told me before she passed away, even though she was a nurse. I said, well, there was something that you could do, and this before I even thought about being a writer. I said what would you? You know, if it was something you could have done, what would that have been?


Speaker 3:

And she said she would have been a writer Right and so that I feel like there's spirit. Both of them are no longer with me but they're moving through me. But as far as my relationship with God, I have to give that to my auntie Shirley. My auntie Shirley lived down the street from me and she used to pick me up from church I mean pick me up to take me with her. My uncle and my three cousins, shara Shabani, sean we used to go to church almost every Sunday and they would pick me up and I would ride with them to go to church and I got saved at the age of nine.


Speaker 3:

So, I believe that being saved and I still remember what it feels like to accept Jesus and to my life and then also to be baptized at the age of nine. I remember all of that and that's what I attribute, you know, as far as my foundation with Christ and my relationship with God started at a young age and that's what helped me get through a lot of the things I had been through, like you know, my mother coming and going, you know, throughout my life not having a father and those type of things and my vision loss all the things I had been through, just like you said. So thank you for asking me that because if it wasn't for God and my relationship that I had built and the foundation that my incombination with also my grandparents but you know, going to church and getting that foundation with my extended family, it was all extended family that helped shape me into the woman I am today.


Speaker 1:

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Speaker 2:

Hey man, yeah, you know, in life we go through things, especially requesting a lot of things. Why am I going through this? And so I've learned something from the story of Joseph that even sometimes, when you are in some places that you don't wanna be or that you feel like you don't deserve life, probably going through your situation being successful, going to school, doing things right, say, doing things the right way, believing in you, lord, we start doubting. You know what I'm saying. Start having questions.


Speaker 2:

I mean, that's just it's natural, but I get inspiration from the story of Joseph talking about being down on the floor when he was in the prison and he told them that he say look, I don't deserve to be here. He didn't wanna be there. But then I realized that in certain things, in certain places, that God has to take us in order to get us to where we will fully understand him. You know, or it's some things that he have to remove from us that we might think that we're okay, but we gotta have a down period. You know what I'm saying, and sometimes some of us have to go through things more strenuous than other people in order for God to get our full attention. You see what I'm saying.


Speaker 2:

But it's some things that we have that he has to deal with us with. But thank God that he didn't throw us away or let us go and just die. You know what I'm saying, what we was, that you know we went through some stuff, as you say you alluded to. You went through some things, but God is still keeping you here, he's still moving you on being successful, having you a support system, and so, with that being said, is it any other endeavors that you did when you're dabbling in nowadays?


Speaker 3:

So, of course, you know, I have my baby black girl. That's out. I have my second book. It's called Empress Creed. It's like a prequel, I would say, to this, but it takes place in the 1930s. There's some Gary in there from Southline Chicago that's somewhat inspired by some of the stories that my grandparents used to tell me, but it's where the Savage family actually started. That comes out in February of 2025. Okay, look forward to it.


Speaker 3:

Yes, and I'm in the process of really trying to turn black girl. One of my goals is to get it into a film. Okay, I had an offer already, but they wanted my film rights and so at that time I was not interested in that and so I turned that down, you know. So it's kind of like what you said at this point and I told God. I said God, you ain't got to get my attention. No more like that.


Speaker 3:

You know so, as things have, because everything you say is like dead on. You know, because at one point I was chasing the dollar, I was doing all of those things, but now I accept things as they come. You know, as part of my meditation, that something's not for me if something doesn't feel right. You know I'm on disability. I told you that right. And so when I got offered a deal to turn black girl into a film, I still turned it down because my spirit didn't tell me that that was the right thing to do at the time. So me going to the ground really humbled me and it allowed me to be able to, you know, take my time as I make decisions and pray before.


Speaker 3:

I move right, and so one of the moves that I do want to pursue is turning it into a film, and I went back to acting school two years ago and I am in the process of auditioning mostly commercial work, which is great for me right now because my passion is in creating and art in general, and so, as I'm touching all these different places and getting all these different experiences, I feel deep in my soul that it's gonna lead to something even bigger, cause it's like I got a little bit of this going on, a little bit of that, but right now, you know I'm pushing black girls. You know we talked about I'm selling books. I'm a trunk, I'm selling books wherever you can buy books. You can buy black girl.


Speaker 3:

I'm trying to get it out there and, most importantly, I'm trying to get my story out there because, as I told you, you know, and I said earlier as we began talking, that my goal in this life is to make sure that someone can hear my voice and to hear the things I've been doing, to hear that I've been on the ground where I felt dirty, you know, and still didn't feel like I was low enough at that point and I was able to still rise above and then whatever that get up was so clear, and I thought only pastors was able to hear God's voice. You know cause I used to hear pastors say I heard God. I hadn't heard God before until then when I heard him say get up. Then I heard him say write a book. So I want people to know that he talks to all of us, is not just reserved for a few, it's for all of us.


Speaker 3:

And so because I'm able to do that and I'm, you know, as long as I can do that first and make sure that's at my foundation, then everything else is just added on. You know, it's just, and so I just thank God for you know it all, to be honest, because it helps my stories right, even me losing my vision, my central vision, cause I want to be clear, I can still see in my peripheral is just where I can't see what I'm looking at it then a lot. It then heightens some of my senses. So I actually smell things different. You know, things feel different to me. I hear things differently when I'm outside walking, I pay attention to the birds, and so all of that helps my writing.


Speaker 2:

Oh, okay, so you see what. I'm saying yeah, yeah, yeah yeah.


Speaker 3:

That's why I said God know what he do. It helps my, it helps my acting, it helps me build my screenplay writing, because then I'm honing in on these senses, I'm using my imagination, filling in some of the gaps sometimes, and doing things. And you know, my mind is going in different places and if I was seeing things the way that I used to see things at that time, to be where I was just seeing the money, anybody tell you, you know, and the little hustler in me is still there.


Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, something is gonna change.


Speaker 3:

She's still there. Yeah, she was at a look, she, me and me. I was at the restaurant yesterday at brunch. Like you know, I'm a writer. I got books in my trunk, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know. So I was boxing up bookselling books at brunch yesterday, you know. But the foundation of everything I do, it starts with God, and I will say, not that that wasn't the case, because God's always been present, but making sure that I don't make a move until I pray on it first and meditate, as you had said, on it first.


Speaker 2:

Like you say. Well, one thing you said earlier, you alluded to it, but it's like Siki, first the kingdom of God and then all these things that we're looking for. It's like we'll be added Until us, you know. But a lot of times, you know, we want to get the things. The dance seat got. Now we had a or, you know, so we put it like that. But then you said something to and I hope you listen to this podcast.


Speaker 2:

When I put it on, I got a friend that I'm do a podcast with and the subject title was transition. I listen to TD Jates and I was listening to Keyon Henderson and they was talking about this Transition and I'm listening to you and I was, you know. It kind of reminded me of that, because when you're steadily doing things, you know I'm saying you're transitioning and TD Jates has something to the point where, when you're transitioning, you got to have pockets To put certain things that so, like you know what's your black pearl, you know it's a pocket for that. You know what I'm saying. Then there's a pocket over here for the film and then it's a pocket for the second book. So you got to have pockets because you're always transitioning.


Speaker 2:

As I was talking to a friend of mine the other day and I kind of thought about it. I said if I'm not always transitioning with different thoughts you know I'm saying different things then if I had that one thought, everything that I got will go into that, and so some things may not fit and certain pockets. You know I'm saying, and so that's the you know. So I'm listening to you and so I'm listening to all these different pockets that you have, and God bless you and I pray that Everything that you desire, everything that you desire, you'll hide, that God will grant it for you.


Speaker 3:

Oh, thank you, my brother. Thank you so much, you blessed me right now you better bring it all the way back, as you bring everything back to the script. I'm talking you know I appreciate you. You are blessing me. Thank you so much. Hey, I just love how God put us in contact it. It took nothing. We just started, yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, because we got the same goal in mind. We hear the inspire others and we doing it for the culture.


Speaker 2:

We're doing it for the culture. Hey, gee, I'm born and raised y'all hey, so hey. Anytime you want to come on the money with show, feel welcome. You know, you know anybody else that you know got a story to tell or want to do anything. Promote the money with show. It's a platform for everybody. I appreciate you coming and hold on for a while so I can talk to you for a minute.


Speaker 3:

You can get it on Amazon. Your local independence and also my website is wwwterroristcom.


Speaker 2:

You've been listening to the money way show. I hope you enjoyed this show today. Hey, I'm your host, cj money way. You.


Speaker 3:

You Be loyal to the friends, but then they just respect the women or they may be something not really smart. You know, I think so I wanted to create. You know, my main black male characters always have those Things they love the women in there and respect the women in their lives. They're loyal and they're smart. So where they come from, and so you know, even though the pearl is the main character, I also speak through the voice of black as well, and so you know I'm gonna see you Enjoy sitting 90s. So I heard you say you were 90s. You're 90s baby too.


Speaker 3:

So yeah, yeah, yeah you know he came a man in the 90s. That's how I came, that's how I look at 90s, as when I became, you know it's a woman who it, and so I love the 90s. So you get a lot of references with that.


Speaker 2:

Okay, yeah, I'm gonna order right now before I forget and show my support. Yeah, both eyes open and both eyes shut, oh, that's possible. Okay.


Speaker 2:

Yeah, yeah, you know, like you say, if anybody, you know people used to ask you all the time like what is, what do that represent, what do it mean? And I always remember what my father used to say. I say he used to say if I knew then what I know now, you know I'm saying things would be different and so the Holy Spirit was dealing with me with that, with that. A lot of times we have our eyes shut To what we need to see. They got them open to the things that we probably can't let go. You know, you look at the world today, you look at society today, with all the stuff that's going on. We're walking around with our eyes shut, even the Bible, and you question that. You say you know we walk around when our ears shut and I I shut, not saying the things of God. But you know saying, but do indulge in things that really don't matter.


Speaker 3:

That's a pain. You heard me say I lost my vision, my central vision. So when I lost that, they open my ears and other things I didn't even think about. You know, I wasn't even paying attention to. That's why it's on the one thing you know so absolutely I. That's what I said. That's powerful that it read. That title resonates for someone like me, because I definitely approach things now with my Peer to be sure I can't be like.


Speaker 4:

I just say that cuz I can hear, you know, I can smell them coming. Hey, mmm, I can read your body language, you like. I need to see your face, I can see your body.


Speaker 2:

So it's not like that. That spirit of the serve.


Speaker 4:

I'll tell you so you know, I might can't see you, but I do. I, I need home.


Speaker 2:

Hey, you too. You too, like I say, good luck with your interviews and everything in your diverse and I Touch basis with you. Whenever this don't go out, all right, you too, all right, bye, bye, bye.