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what you would call being the best that we could be.
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What's the difference?
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And again, I found there's something very different.
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There's something very unique about what we need to do to become a happy, successful in every area of our life, successful person.
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And that's the focus ofJ Moneyway Show, and I'm with your host, cj Moneyway, let's get it.
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What's up, my good people?
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Welcome to the CJ Money Way show.
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Today I have teacher, writer, researcher, podcaster and author of the book.
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You have to Let Yourself Off the Hook, liam Nadum.
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Did I pronounce that right man?
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You sure did.
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Nadum, okay, nadum, yeah.
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So welcome to the show everybody.
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Liam, how you doing today, man?
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I'm great thanks.
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I'm looking forward to talking to you.
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Thanks for the opportunity to be on your show.
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Oh, man, thank you for you know reaching out and coming on.
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Man, I really appreciate it.
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So you're from New Zealand, right?
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I am indeed Okay.
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So what's the Now?
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Of course, I've never been that far, so what's the culture like there, man?
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Oh, it's wonderful.
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It's like, everywhere in the world, great people getting on with their lives, being loving, friendly, happy, positive, optimistic and really interested in helping others as well as themselves.
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Okay, okay, yeah everywhere I travel in the world, I meet people the same.
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Oh, okay, so I know, like in those parts of Europe and everything soccer that's the big thing over there.
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Okay, so I know, like in those parts of Europe and everything soccer that's the big thing over there.
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Huh, Is that big in New Zealand?
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Yeah, I don't really follow those sports so I don't know.
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Okay, is it anything, before we get started, that you would like to say Any projects that you have going on that we can look forward to?
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Yeah, I've got have going on that we can look forward to.
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Yeah, I've got lots going on, and I'm sure we'll talk about it maybe as we go along, because it all really relates to this burning question that I've been trying to find the answer to for most of my life, which is how do we really get the results we do in our life?
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Why do things really happen to us?
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And, for example, we might say, say, how is it that you and I are talking?
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and we might think we've planned it, but actually there's something else going on yeah, that's what I've.
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That's the basis of really and hopefully I can share some of this with your audience to start to think what you think is your life is not what's really going on.
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There's something else going on, but it's something far more exciting than you realize.
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It's something you have control over and it's something that you can use really to make your life as good as you want it to be.
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Okay, that sounds very interesting.
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So, liam, tell us what is the Growing In Love podcast?
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You know, as you being a podcast host and having your own podcast.
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What is that podcast all about, man?
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When I started off in my coaching work, I started off in the area of marriage and relationships and I found that it was an area I really wanted to study and figure out.
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Why is it that some people have fantastic relationships, marriages, and they could have been together for 30 years and it was like they'd only just met.
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You know, they were best friends, they did everything together, they were absolutely rock solid in their relationship and it seemed to get better with time.
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But they're only the tiny small percentage and yet most people in a marriage or relationship seem to me, including myself were struggling with problems and, you know, ending up in divorce.
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I mean, more than half of marriages end up in divorce.
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So I thought what's the difference between people who make it work and what is, unfortunately, the vast majority of people who seem to struggle with relationships and find it difficult?
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And that really led me, on a discovery of research, to see that these people, the small percentage of people, were doing something very different to what most people were doing in their relationship.
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So I developed this into helping people with their marriages and what I started to notice was it was really helping people turn their marriage around, even sometimes from the brink of divorce.
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You know a couple one or the other said I want a divorce, I'm sick of it.
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You know it's not working, and the other person was able to use some of the ideas that I had to turn the situation around.
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So I started to help people with their relationships and that really developed into some coaching programs, which I still have and I still do with people, and also a podcast called Growing in Love for Life.
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That was the first of three podcasts I actually host and that's all about marriage and relationships and you know, figuring out or learning what the small percentage of successful people do in a marriage and relationship that everyone else isn't doing, so that when you do it you get the same results and it doesn't matter where you are in your situation at the moment.
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Once you start doing the right things and stop doing the wrong things, you get a completely different result.
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And that led me on to my next podcast, or the one on my work expanded into that, to say well, what is it about successful people?
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Not just success in relationships, but success in life, because every now and then you meet somebody who really is happy, who really is successful, not just on the outside, not just with lots of money, and they're miserable, but they're really happy.
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They might not have a lot of money, but they're truly happy and fulfilled and excited about life and positive and optimistic, and they're the people you really feel good being around.
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That's the definition.
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They're what you'd call successful people.
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They're enjoying life to the full.
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I thought what's the difference between those people and the vast majority of us who are stressed, unhappy, struggling, who are not something very different?
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There's something very unique about what we need to do to become a happy, successful in every area of our life, successful person, and that's the focus of all my work these days.
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That's interesting, man.
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You know that you can go that far and that deep into the thought.
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You know as far as what makes a person successful.
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You know like what, not only from the outside.
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You know having money, being able to go buy whatever you want to go buy, but from the inside.
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You know being happy from the inside, because a lot of times we're not happy within, we can be miserable even with money.
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So I understand what you're saying on that level.
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As far as being a podcaster and I want to ask people that come on the show that also host their own podcast, because I haven't been on anyone else's show as a guest.
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So before I ever do, I just want to pick you guys' brains a little bit what is the difference between hosting the show and asking questions and being a guest on the show?
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Well, in some ways, there's not a big difference, because I think the most important thing that I've learned is to be successful.
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If this is what you're sort of asking to be successful either as a host or as a guest you've really got to think about what can I offer to whoever I'm talking to that's really going to make a difference in their life and that they're going to say you know, I haven't heard this before.
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This is something really interesting.
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I haven't heard this before.
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This is something really interesting.
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This isn't just the same run-of-the-mill stuff that the other 50 million podcasts.
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But this sounds interesting.
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This could really help me with my life.
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I want to find out more about what this person is saying, and I think too often we forget or we focus on the medium, so we say, right, I've got to have a podcast, or I've got to be a guest on a podcast, or I've got to have a blog, or I've got to have a website, or I've got to have whatever it is, without thinking the most important thing is to develop your unique inner voice, because all of us have a unique and valuable role to play in the lives of everyone else.
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We've all had unique experiences.
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We have our own unique wisdom and those things we can share with other people.
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We don't need to copy someone else and say, oh, that person's really successful, I'll just do what they do.
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We've got it within us to be unique, and when you let your uniqueness come out, that's what is very powerful.
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So that's what I think we should focus on, rather than saying, well, how many million dollars worth of ads do I need to spend?
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It doesn't work that way.
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People have become immune to noise, so to break through the noise, you have to say something that catches their attention.
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Okay, it's different and unique.
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Okay, just be your authentic self.
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Like you say, we all have something to give.
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You know, just like with this platform, that I'm trying to build.
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My platform is, you know, trying to get people's stories out.
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You know I did it for the community, for a lot of people that actually, you know, didn't have a voice and wouldn't be on a bigger podcast, and so that's what you know.
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Didn't have a voice and wouldn't be on a bigger podcast, and so that's what you know I tried to build, and so I'm excited to have someone like you, you know, with vast experiences and things of that nature.
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You know a man with a lot of wisdom, because if you can teach a podcast on how to stay married, that's some good stuff right there.
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So tell me, man, you know, know I was reading your biography and everything.
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So tell me, what is the experience like just sailing through europe?
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Because I see where you, uh, sailed through, like 15 countries or something through europe.
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Just tell me, man, what's the experience like sailing through europe, man, man on a yacht?
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Well, it's interesting.
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It's like any experience there's two sides to it.
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As you said, I spent eight years sailing around 15 countries in Europe on my own yacht.
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I finished that last year and since I've been now traveling in a motorhome I think you call them an RV or I'm traveling through Europe and that, and I'm back in New Zealand at the moment for a short break.
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So I just I have actually been a permanent traveler for about 13 years, my partner and I.
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The thing about travel and people say to me oh, you're so lucky, and you know that must be amazing.
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And it is incredible.
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You know different experiences all of the time, the freedom to go anywhere you want to go.
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You know a yacht is amazing.
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You're so connected with nature.
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You're anchored in a beautiful bay and there's just nature around you and it's peace and quiet.
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But there's another side to it and this is the biggest lesson that I learned from travel, and certainly travel in a yacht and also in a motorhome, and that is you've got to be.
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It helps or you have to develop the skill of coping well with uncertainty.
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And most people can't cope with uncertainty.
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But on a yacht you've got to be prepared to say here, we are anchored in this beautiful bay, but the wind has changed and we need to leave right now.
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Or you can plan a journey to be sailing to a destination and the weather might change and you say you have to make a decision, we're not going to get to that destination, we need to change course to somewhere else.
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And you arrive in places and they're not what you expect them to be.
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So you arrive in a place and you go.
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This is absolutely incredible.
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I didn't think it would be so beautiful.
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We're only going to be here for a day, We'll stay here for a week.
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It happened when we were sailing down the coast of Greece and Turkey was just right next door, the country Carter and I said Turkey didn't really appeal to us as an idea, but we'll just go there for a couple of days just to have a look at what Turkey was like.
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We got there, we stayed for over a year.
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It was the most incredible country.
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The people are wonderful, the food, the scenery.
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So you have to be prepared, when you're on a boat and when you're a constant traveler, to make decisions all of the time and some people find that tiring.
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Most people find that tiring because one of the reasons most people never, unfortunately, take much of a risk and go out and do something different because they want to know that it's going to work out.
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They want to know everything that's going to happen before they make a decision.
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But when you're on a yacht, you can't do that.
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You have to make decisions all the time.
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You have to change your mind and do things differently.
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Sometimes things don't turn out very well.
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You might, on the opposite side, say we're going to go here for a month and you only go there for a day because you didn't like the place.
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But that's a wonderful strength to develop, a wonderful thing that I'm grateful to have developed, which is to cope with and deal with uncertainty and make your decisions one at a time, not try and plan things out a year in advance, but just take it a step at a time and everything works out perfectly that way man I I think that's cool, man.
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You know, like you say, uh, you have to be prepared because, like one of my last guests, we were just talking about just being out on the ocean and out there in the sea and you know there's things that can happen, or you know what I'm saying, things that you know you have to think about.
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Like you say, you have to change course because the weather might get bad or whatever.
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So just the uncertainty of when you're out there, like that, I think that's a cool experience.
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One day I hope I can get a yacht and just sail around man.
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So tell us about your latest book man Marriage Uncounseling.
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Well, this has really come from my experience of what we've been talking about, which is that most people, unfortunately, are doing the wrong things with their marriage and with their relationship.
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And many people who have come to me for help and done my coaching programs or even done private coaching with me, most of them have tried some sort of counselling.
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Nearly all of them have said to me, regrettably, that it didn't really help.
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In fact, often it made things worse.
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And I'm not trying to criticise, criticize counseling or bag it per se, but what I noticed was in my experience of counseling as well, and what people were explaining to me was I was thinking this doesn't really fit in with my understanding of what really works to heal a relationship.
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So that's why I called it uncounseling, because in many ways it's the opposite of what counseling does.
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Because when you think about it, if you go to a counselor, if you're a couple or any sort of counseling, but particularly marriage counseling, if you go to a counselor to heal your marriage, what tends to happen is you go into the and you work on the problems.
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So you try and identify what are the problems in our relationship, what's going wrong and how can we fix those problems.
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But what I've noticed is and other people far more smarter than I have have described this as well and in life, what you focus on, you tend to get more of so if you focus on problems, you tend to get more of so if you focus on problems, you tend to get more problems.
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And it's very difficult, if not impossible, to try and solve a problem directly.
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What you need to focus on is the solution.
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So that's what uncounseling that's what my book is all about is changing your focus.
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Instead of being on the problems, focus on the solutions, focus on where you want to go and changing what you're thinking and doing.
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It's in harmony with that, not just focusing on the problems, because the other thing with problems is, as most people find, if you focus on problems, you can never get rid of them.
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Even if you think you solve a problem seem to keep coming along, and this is actually to do with how the brain functions.
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But that's what my book was all about.
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That's what uncounseling that's why I've called it uncounseling is to focus on the solutions.
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Focus on what you want and you find there's a.
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There's actually an easier path to getting there.
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Oh, okay, yeah, that sounds interesting, man.
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You know, like you're saying, and that's different because you know like a lot of people, like you say, go to counseling and we're those problems have mounted up to different type of problems and a lot of times you know, as you as a counselor and I know you can tell this and describe to this to me better than than I can is that when you don't handle an issue right right there, then it mounts up to where the couple or the marriage you know people that's married they don't talk about it, and so it mounts up until you know you get angry and sometimes that person don't even know what's really wrong.
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You know what I'm saying Because you're thinking about something that you think that somebody should have did or that your spouse should have did, but they had no clue that.
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You know what I'm saying.
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So, basically, sometimes it could be misunderstanding or things that we can talk about that we don't.
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That mounts into problems long time.
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Well, here's the thing, and I say this to people, and anyone listening or watching might like to think about or answer this question for themselves but if you're in a marriage or relationship, was there ever a time when you didn't have problems?
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when things were going really well, when things were easy and fun and stress-free and you absolutely loved being in that relationship.
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Was there ever a time and for most people there isn't a time and when was that?
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That's when you first got together.
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That was when the relationship was new and fresh and you weren't focusing on problems.
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You weren't trying to fix things.
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You weren't worried about the things that were going wrong or what the other person was doing.
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You were just there having a good time.
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And the thing to realize is what you were doing and thinking then is very different to what you do and think when you've got problems.
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So all you need to do and this is the basis of much of my coaching and some of the marriage and counseling book what you need to do is figure out what was I doing and thinking when I didn't have problems and stress in my life.
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I need to realize I'm not doing those things anymore.
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I'm doing all these other things that are making things worse.
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I need to go back to the thinking and doing that I did when things were going well at the beginning of our relationship, and it's not that difficult to do.
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It's not just about, oh, things were new and fresh and exciting, then Things can be new and fresh and exciting.
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Now I've met people who've been in a marriage for 30 years and it's like, as I mentioned earlier, it's still new and fresh and exciting.
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There's a way to make your marriage new, fresh and exciting, no matter how long you've been together, but you need to do those right things.
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You need to do and think and that's a lot to do with your thinking as well what you were doing when things were going well, not trying to fix things when they're not going well.
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If that makes sense.
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Yeah, that makes sense.
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Like you say, you know, when you first start off, you know you're just happy, you just want to be around each other and just go out and do things and whatnot.
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So it makes sense.
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You say, get back to that thought process before all the other things you know got added on to it.
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So yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
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So you have a course, a master class Let Yourself Off the Hook.
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Can you explain that to us, man?
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Like you know, what do you mean by when you say let yourself off the hook, and what do this class entails?
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Well, what most people are trying to do in life is they're trying to solve problems, just like we've been talking about.
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They've been trying to solve problems.
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They've tried to reach goals, they've tried to figure out how they can be happy.
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They've tried to work towards things to try to be happy.
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But most people are struggling and what they're doing the reason they're struggling is that they're using the wrong part of their brain Without knowing it.
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They don't understand Most of us.
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We've never been taught how this machine works, our brain works.
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So you will never figure out all of those things.
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You'll never live a life to your full potential when you're in the state of struggle and stress and trying to push and work things out.
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So what you have to do is you have to let yourself off the hook.
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And what letting yourself off the hook means is giving up that struggle, giving up what you think is your control and allowing what is within all of us.
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And this isn't woo-woo, this is biological.
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We have this energy, this creative energy, that flows not only through us but through every living thing.
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This is a biological law, if you like.
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So we need to start to allow that to flow through, because when we actually do that, when we let ourselves off the hook, stop putting the pressure on ourselves what we actually do is we activate a different part of our brain, a different part of our biology, and that part literally takes control and it leads and guides us down the easiest and fastest path to actually getting everything we want.
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And this is the part that's responsible when you suddenly meet somebody out of the blue and it turns out to be really good.
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I mean, when you meet the person who becomes your husband or your wife.
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You didn't plan it in advance.
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They just suddenly, out of the blue, they showed up and before you knew it you were in love and you know it changed your life.
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So this is we might call this luck or coincidence, but all of my research has found that it's not luck or coincidence.
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This is a very definite biological principle as to how we are designed to operate.
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But you can only activate that part of your brain, you can only see it work in your life when you let yourself off the hook, when you stop trying to be in control through struggle and force and trying to make things happen, because that literally, on a biological level, that blocks this other part of your brain.
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it prevents it from operating so when you talk about part of your brain, so I guess that when you say that this is part of your webinar that you teach, uh, unlock your brain's hidden power yeah, well, I have a webinar and a whole coaching.
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I mentioned my coaching program and people can find it on my website, liamnaydencom.
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But what it essentially is to help people understand is that your brain is a machine and it has four fundamental biological parts.
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They're all in different places in your brain and they all have a different function.
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So when you understand that it is a machine and that these four parts are supposed to work a certain way, then all you need to do is operate the machine the right way, because, if you think about it, we don't realize that the brain is a survival machine, and it's not just to survive at the basest level.
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Our brain is trying to make sure that we have the greatest chance for survival, that we live for as long as we possibly can, and the only way we can do that is by being our best, by being our happiest, by being our most fulfilled and not stressed.
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That's what's going to prolong our life.
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And so the brain is a machine designed to ensure that you are your best, so you have the greatest chance for survival.
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But it's like any other machine.
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It's like, for instance, a motor car.
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Now, a motor car is designed to get you from where you are to where you want to go, and you know it's going to do that if you drive it the right way.
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But if you get in it and you don't know what to do and you put the wrong fuel in and you press the wrong buttons and you've got your foot on the accelerator and the brake at the same time and you don't know what to do, you're not going to get anywhere and it's going to be a struggle.
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You're going to think this isn't working and you're also going to end up with problems.
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You're going to end up things going wrong and it turns out biologically.
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This is how we're designed when problems show up in our life and this is a stretch for most people to take on when I say it but when you start to research how the brain works, you realize it's true, problems are a sign that we're not using this machine the right way.
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So on my website I have a model, a description, an explanation of these four parts of the brain and how they work and how they're designed to be used.
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And the amazing thing is, when you start to use your brain differently, you do get different results, and you get them without the struggle and the force and the stress, things show up in your life.
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You come up with good ideas, new opportunities show up and you suddenly start to see a lot more success, inner and outer, happening in your life, and it's all because, not through struggling, but through understanding how to use your brain differently.
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That's what I was down to.
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That's interesting, man.
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I'm going to have to go on your website and check that out because you know, like you say, you can use these four parts of your brain either to, you know, move on in life, or we can let it stress us out, which you know could be detrimental.
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You know, because we know that stress can cause health issues and this and that, and so I think that's interesting, that you've come up with a model that you know to help people think differently and think, you know, freely and, you know, live a abundant life, you know, and as successful and as positive as you can.
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I think that's unique, man.
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That's real cool.
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I got a couple more questions for you.
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So I've been married for 15 years, right, and I'm not saying that everything's been smooth sailing, but it's been peaceful for the most part.