April 26, 2024
Episode 4a: Tel Aviv, Echoes of Conflict Experiencing Israel Through a Contractor's Eyes
When the world shifted on its axis on September 11, 2001, I found myself at a crossroad between the urgent need to reach out to my loved ones and the burning desire to return to the service of my country. I stepped into a new chapter with DynCorp, where the stakes were high and the mission critical. My narrative begins with the palpable sense of purpose that comes from joining a team determined to make a difference in the wake of national tragedy.
The heart of the episode pulses with the tales of camaraderie and the gravity of preparing for a diplomatic mission in Tel Aviv. I bring to life the streets thrumming with tension and vitality, and the eclectic mix of colleagues, the legendary figures who shaped our operations. Alongside me is my Co-host, Frayne whose insights add depth to our discussion on the kaleidoscope of experiences, including a gripping anecdote from a firearms training session at the Crucible—an unvarnished look at the high level of vigilance our roles demanded.
Concluding this journey, I recount the ethical quandaries and the stark realities that underpin private military contracting in a post-9/11 world. From the story of Jim's unwavering principles to the unexpected challenges and anomalies of working in Israel, this episode peels back the layers of what it means to operate in the shadows of global conflict. We delve into the contrast between the beauty of a country marred by conflict and the peculiar, indelible impressions left on those who tread its soil in service of peace and justice.
Chapters
00:01 - Post-9-11 Transition to DynCorp
07:24 - Meeting Team Members in Jerusalem
14:09 - Firearm Training Anecdote
27:17 - Israel Anomaly and Contract Controversy
33:21 - Odd First Impressions of Israel
Transcript
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And we are back for part two.
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Yes, with me again is Frayn.
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And so we left off, as I recall, and I got sidetracked to an executive protection story when we were in Decatur, illinois, and it was a good assignment, it was a good project, but that was well before I was, well before 9-11 and the events that kind of turned things around.
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So, yeah, and I think we, I think I kind of jumped, I did like a time leap, you know, backwards.
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We talked about 9-11 and where I was on 9-11.
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I was actually in Northern Virginia and then we kind of backed ourselves into the ADM kind of thing.
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It's all about that damn movie with Matt Damon.
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Curse you, matt, curse you, matt Damon.
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But yeah, anyway, the Insider, the Insider, the movie's called just because it popped into my head.
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But so yeah.
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So on September 11th, I'm sitting there in northern Virginia and probably like everybody else at the time, as everything was unfolding, the first call that I made, I mean, I called home first, because I'd been out all night the night before.
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I had no idea what happened while I was asleep, idea what happened while I was asleep.
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So I called my wife as I turned on the television, saw it all unfold and wrapped up the call with her relatively quickly, and then I called the Navy recruiting offices back here in Pittsburgh.
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I thought, you know, might as well start at the beginning, and that's where I had come through the process back in 89.
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And, you know, I gave him a call.
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The young officer answered the phone and I told him you know how fast can you get me back to active duty?
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And literally within the time that I was waiting for them to call back, I got a call from a good friend of mine who worked for that same company in the private sector, who had moved on to government contracting earlier.
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And you know, I guess, as people do in times like those, everyone was, you know, people are calling their friends.
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Hey, you, okay, where are you, how's everyone, how are you, and this and this.
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So I get a call from a dear friend of mine and he was like hey, you know, how are you doing?
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And good, how are you, where are you?
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And this and this, and long story short.
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He was like well, how are you doing?
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And good, how are you, where are you?
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And this and this, and long story short.
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Um, he was like well, how'd you like to come to work with us.
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There's a project starting up and you know I'd I'd be glad to get you the information.
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That was it.
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I mean, that was it.
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It happened kind of fast after that.
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But what I found really interesting was when, when you're totally new to this, like, okay, so you start getting email and the company was DynCorp.
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Dyncorp was the company that was arranging the contractors and it would support a Department of State mission.
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So it was like, okay, well, one thing and another, the first few emails.
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And then you know, you pick up on the like little subtleties and nuances, the first few emails.
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And I mean, I'm not for nothing Even I know not to do this.
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When you run a competition here at the gym or you put out a mass mailing, you don't put everybody's name in the recipient list, right, that's that's amateur.
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Amateur hour, right, that's that's amateur, right.
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So, um, but first few emails were like pretty, pretty densely populated and they're like, okay, you know, fill out this questionnaire, fill out this, fill out this.
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And back then, oh my God, largely a lot of things were pen and paper.
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So there's a form, an SF-86, and it was essentially your security clearance.
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You know, questionnaire, your bona fides, I guess, really long, labor intensive.
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I mean never want to do that again by hand, ever.
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But you know, fill this out, fill this out, fill this out, and then you're thinking like, ok, well, what's next?
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What's next?
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Am I going to make the selection process?
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What if I don't?
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And I think, like anything else, you know, anybody that's ever applied for a job has that feeling of like, what if I don't get it.
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But I think in this case, I don't know, at that time I think the stakes might have been a little bit higher because you're like, no, I want to get back in, I want to do something to serve.
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I mean, you know, it's a known fact that military enlistments across the board, in every branch of the service, skyrocketed after 9-11.
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And you know, it never occurred to me that I'm like, yeah, well, here's like.
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At the time I didn't think I was that old, but I was in my late 30s, you know.
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But at the same time I was like, yeah, but you know, I've got some knowledge and experience that I'd like to, you know, bring to the table.
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So what I?
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The first thing I noticed was really, really interesting was, subsequently, the emails.
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The recipient list started to get smaller and smaller and smaller and I was like, huh, yeah, that's, I noticed it but I didn't really register, you know, didn't didn't really think too much of why, but, um, as it all played out, this rolled probably into like God, it took a couple months, like nothing happens that fast.
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You know, it took a couple, a few months.
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And next thing, you know it's down to like maybe eight names, eight or nine names, and now they're getting like finalized okay, you know, you'll depart your home of record this time.
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And now you realize you're going because you did all your insurance paperwork and all your W-9, your 1099 to receive a W-9 as a contract employee.
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We did all of that.
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And then you get like your primary next of kin notification forms and all that.
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You're like, oh, dude, this is now you kind of know.
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You're like, well, if you're asking me who to notify when I die, I'm pretty sure you're sending me, you know.
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So we're good to go, we're ready to go and, honest to God, man, you know the messed up part of this story is some of these guys are gone now, but I'll never forget.
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It's like you know I get my email it, but I'll never forget.
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It's like you know, I get my email, it's like, okay, pardon me, black Rifle Coffee Green Team Selection of the Month in my Jocko, get After it.
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Mug Doesn't get better than this.
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I don't want you know much Anyway.
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So want you know much anyway.
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So, and you know, I, I stomped all over this little policy last time.
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I oh, I don't, I don't do last names, but I will say this here's my thing, I believe, with all my heart, if it was a good experience, if it was a good dude, then they need to be recognized.
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You know, and you know, fortunately, a lot of these guys, mentors of mine and everything like that.
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We're out of the game now.
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So you know, knuckleheads, they get maybe a call sign or a first name because you know they're part of the story and you know sometimes a funny part of the story, but they don't.
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You know that's that.
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But anyway, I got to never forget this.
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I kind of wish many times, I wish I could go back to this minute.
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So I get an email and it's broken down and it's like okay, petra Gallo, you know you'll fly in to Dulles and you'll meet John Branchizio at the Hertz rental car at this time.
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You know he's coming in from Texas at this hour, this flight.
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You'll meet him at rental.
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So I'm like John Brancheese and it's like Parsons.
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You'll meet Clark at the rental car at this time and then you'll go to this hotel, you'll link up with Jim and yada, yada, super.
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So I get there and I'm all kind of geeked out.
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And I get to the Hertz rental car place and I'm all kind of geeked out, you know, and I get to the Hertz rental car place and I'm waiting, I'm looking around.
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All of a sudden I see this guy and he's big man, he's not a small guy, he's like fit-looking, like dirty blonde, like sandy blonde hair kind of you know.
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He's looking around, he sees me and he goes, hey.
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And I'm like how do that moment, from that moment, he comes over and he goes you must be petrogallo and I was like, yeah, he goes.
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Hey, john branchizio.
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And I'm like hey, mike petrogallo.
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And he shakes my hand and he's like yeah, you know, like, yeah, you know.
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And he's like, hey, guys, I knew it, big tactical bag, dago knows he goes, I figured.
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And then he goes like this, he turns and he goes.
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See, he's like's like I knew it, you know.
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And Branchizio and Petrogallo, you know.
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So we get the rental car, we go to the hotel and for some reason or other and I don't remember how or why Normally what they'll do for training purposes, for stuff like that they'll double guys up in their hotel rooms.
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I remember having a private room and I don't remember if they gave us all private rooms or not, but it's kind of nice at the end of the day to be able to go home and call home and you're not having a conversation when you're bothering somebody else or whatever you know.
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But I think maybe we all did get our own room, but it's irrelevant, but I just I remember, because it gets funny later on about the housing.
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So there was a, the school that they sent us to and this was oh my god, this was so fast, I mean, it was just the way it was.
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At that time there were already two teams, uh, in place in jerusalem.
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The contract was going to support the diplomatic mission in Israel and the way it was set up at the time this was 2002, the consulate was in Jerusalem, the embassy was in Tel Aviv.
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So they sent two teams already there or in Jerusalem.
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We were going to Tel Aviv, great.
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So we go through and again you're getting to know everybody, right.
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So our point of contact, jim.
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Don't know anything about him, never met him before we meet him.
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Quiet guy, very quiet, very reserved guy, and you know now I realize, and he's quiet, he was like sizing us up.
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He's like what band of idiots did they send me?
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You know.
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So how many of you were there?
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So, you and your other Italian friends, shall we say.
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Yeah, yeah, so let's see.
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So Jim was there.
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We met him, like he came in early, so he was there.
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John Branchizio, mark Parsons, me, mike, kurt, another Mike, yeah, another Mike, and um, um, yeah another Mike and um who else.
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Keith.
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Keith, now, the way this was going to work.
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So there were eight of us, there were eight of us and there would be eight in Tel Aviv.
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Right, that was going to be the compliment, but how this worked out was through.
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Who knows why, I don't know.
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Somebody took a liking to somebody and, um, and one of the team leaders that they picked was already over there.
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They sent him early and he was up in Jerusalem getting the low down, but he'd be one of the two team leaders in Tel Aviv.
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Jim would be the other one.
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Keith, now, this guy to this day I consider him a dear friend.
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He's a friend of mine, absolute legend in Delta Legend, like one of the first, one of the first Delta operators, and a nicer guy put it this way in my opinion, that's all this is is one of the guys that's like, first time I met him, big smile.
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He's a bear of a dude.
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I mean, he is a bear of a dude.
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Like, shake your hand and you feel like your hand's in like a suitcase.
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You're like oh, hey, but at the same time, just real, hey, all right, yeah, okay.
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And then you're looking and you're like, well, the years might have mellowed this guy out a little bit, but you can tell there's still a glimmer that this guy is legendary, that's all I'll say about that.
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But humble and and, um, helpful and just just a good, good dude, you know, and.
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But now here's what was happening, because one of the our two team leaders was already in country, getting in, docked up in jerusalem keith wasn't, he would.
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He went through the spin-up with us, but when we got on the ground he went straight up to Jerusalem.
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I don't even have this other team leader Put it this way His nickname and not affectionately, he was referred to as Swervin because he was all over the damn road, and I don't mean that as a driver, I mean, let's get to that in a minute, but he was already.
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He was already there.
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So it was kind of, you know, we're like, and this wasn't like, um, a grueling selection process.
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I mean this really was you know your capabilities with a firearm, you your basic qualification on a range with a pistol, with a rifle, you know you're, I would have to say, from the training that I had before and since, this was absolute bare bones, minimum.
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Honest, looking back, this would be something that I would send non-essential personnel through if they were coming over in a support capacity.
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So if we get overrun and you have to defend yourself because I'm already dead, you'll know how to use this pistol and not shoot yourself in the foot.
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I can't say what's going to happen after that, but you should be able to pull it from your holster and not shoot yourself in the foot.
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But and this is this is client driven.
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This is no reflection on the school or the instructors that put us through training.
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Uh, the instructors at crucible.
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At that time it was in Fredericksburg Virginia, it was, it's probably still, but crucible, fredericksburg Virginia, uh, met some guys there going through training that to this day I keep in touch with, and not a lot.
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But I just reached out to one of them, brian, on the 20th anniversary and I'm like brother, it's hard to believe it's 20 years, you know, and he was a dear friend of cheese and you know it's just, it's so, like I said, that's there's no reflection on them or their curriculum or anything.
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It's client driven.
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And I think at that time, you know, I said that's there's no reflection on them or their curriculum or anything.
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It's client driven.
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And I think at that time, you know, I mean, it's just it's.
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It'd be naive to think that dollars don't drive the engine right.
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Um, yeah, you got to get guys over there.
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You're not going to put them through this.
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Make them sure they don't shoot each other in the ass and go right.
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Okay, and what I'm about to tell you is absolute gospel truth.
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If I wouldn't have seen it myself, I would have absolutely called bullshit.
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Okay, one of the guys his name was Mike.
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There were three of us, three Mikes, okay, two of us made it downrange, one didn't.
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So we're in the classroom and again, you know, very cut and dry.
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All right, you know, this is the Glock 19 you'll be carrying over there and you had a semi-automatic pistol.
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I mean, it's a Glock, it's a fantastic weapon, right, great.
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So classroom portion.
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All right, gather up your gear.
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We're going to walk out.
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We're going to go through the gravel path.
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We're going to get to the pistol range.
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We're going to get to the pistol range.
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We're going to shoot the pistol call, or you know, practice for the call, what have you?
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So we get there Now, to this day, jim, my team leader.
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I consider him more than a friend.
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He's like a brother, he's like a, like an older brother, but not much, a little bit, but at this point he is still watching every move, who's who?
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Because I got to take these guys into harm's way and I don't know what they sent me and I do get this.
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We came from diverse backgrounds, right Among that group.
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Like I said, keith was an absolute legend in the unit.
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Jim was at one time he had been the youngest ranger ever to be selected for Delta, and then years later I would work, or he was a trainer on a course that we went through.
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He was then the youngest ranger that made it to Delta.
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So, as a friend of Jim's Dale is his name, but, uh, you know, I mean to me, I look at it like if you're an avid golfer and fate puts you in a foursome with Tiger Woods, you say a quick thank you, god for letting me be like so close to this guy who's forgotten.
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Yeah, I'm like I'm going to learn by accident because this guy is so talented, right guy is so talented, right, and and I say that with all sincerity, you know I'm I feel blessed to have been able to work with these guys and learn from them.
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Um, but at this moment jim was like, there was no like.
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He was cordial, but he was like, distant and observant and I I will never forget this as long as I live.
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And I didn't know it could happen.
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I did not know this was possible.
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I never tried it.
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We get to the range, great.
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And again, the instructors were running this by the numbers, by the numbers, because that's what this curriculum calls for.
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Shooters with a loaded magazine, load your weapons right.
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Shooters, charge your weapons right, getting ready to holster.
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One of the mics is next to me.
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Now, at that kind of at that, when you run a hot range and when you say all right, gentlemen, you know, this is this is like advanced, this is advanced curriculum.
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Now you get a malfunction, fix it.
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If you can't, if you've tried and you can't, safety's sake, don't do it.
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You know, muzzle downrange, finger off the trigger, always right.
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If you cannot fix it, throw a hand up.
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This wasn't like that.
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This was like if there is a malfunction, if there is an issue, throw your hand up and an instructor will come to you.
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Well, this guy doesn't throw his hand up, doesn't do anything.
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All I hear him going is oh, oh, something's not right, like it was yesterday.
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Oh, something's not right, something's not right.
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So, shooters, holster your weapons, right, so holster.
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So I'm right beside him, right, he's not throwing up his hand, so I go what?
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And he's like, like it won't cycle, it won't load.
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And I'm like, well, drop the magazine.
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Like it's not my place to say, but I'm like I'm watching him flounder here and I will say this he wasn't doing anything stupid, he wasn't going.
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Oh, I don't know, so it's, you know, muzzles down and all that.
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And he's like, oh, it won't cycle, it won't cycle.
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And I was like, well, drop the magazine.
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So he ejects the magazine, I don, but he ejects the mag and he shows it to me for a minute, a moment.
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Not even I'm looking at this.
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I can't comprehend what I'm looking at.
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I'm like like the bevel in the magazines, that way.
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But the primer, the back, the base of the round is, and I'm like, oh my god, oh my god.
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I'm like I'm thinking he loaded the magazine backwards.
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So I'm like one, I didn't, I didn't know you could do that.
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I never tried, right, I would have no reason, I would have no reason to try.
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But I was like, okay, that's, that's odd, right.
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So now I'm holstered, his weapon is safe and he's still holding it in the safe direction.
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I've got his, his magazine in my hand, right?
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So I'm like now I start to try to strip the rounds out to put him in the right way.
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Dude, like a ninja had a baby with an Apache, indian, right, jim is right over my shoulder, he's already seen what I'm doing, but he goes what's wrong.
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So he's giving me the opportunity to do the right thing and I go nothing.
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Nothing, I got it, I got it and he's like he just kind of kind of gives this, you know, and he goes all right.
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So we stripped them somehow, we stripped the rounds out, we fixed it.
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But I know that he knows and I'm like man, look and it.
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But I know that he knows and I'm like man, look, and I know that he knows it's not my weapon, it's not my magazine.
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If I wasn't beside him in line, I would have never been involved in it, right?
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So that's and I guess you know, to me that's like oh crap, that's one, right.
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I think in Jim's mind it was like, oh crap, that's one, right.
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I think in Jim's mind it was like, yeah, that's more than one, but okay, right.
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So we do that and then I can't blame the guy for being invited.
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You know, you apply for something.
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It's like asking an extremely hot girl to go out.
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You know, seriously, man, man, first time I met my wife, I'm like, oh, I'm asking her.
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Yeah, all right, she might say no, you know, you've seen her.
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I'm surprised she didn't.
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But at no, it's okay, I know.
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But, uh, if you don't take the chance, how do you know?
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So I don't blame him for applying, and anybody looks good on a resume, you know, okay, and he was a police officer, um, and that's not that departmentally.
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I don't know where he worked, but departmentally.
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And he made it.
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Oh, yeah, I never fired a glock and I'm like, yeah, but it's a weapon, that's all, it is.
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Man, well, we carry wheel guns, we carry wheel guns, revolvers and wheel guns, revolvers.
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