Iron Sharpens Iron: The Power of Authentic Man-to-Man Relationships

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Hey, my name is Brent.

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I'm the host of the Fallible Man podcast.

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And at the end of this episode, you'll
discover the power of men's groups, see

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why there are more than just a support
group for guys with issues, have some

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strategies for building deep, authentic
relationships within men's communities,

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and see an example of how your purpose
and your profession can be very different

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and still both be very successful.

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Check out this quote from my friend
and my guest, Brett Snodgrass.

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And let's get into it.

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I think it's, Maybe just going back
to what do you need to do to get

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radically honest with yourself?

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And then what do you do about it?

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That's where it starts.

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There you go.

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Here's the million dollar question.

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How do men like us reach our full
potential, growing to the men we

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dream of being while taking care
of our responsibilities, working,

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being good husbands, fathers,
and still take care of ourselves?

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Well, that's the big
question in this podcast.

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We'll help you answer
those questions and more.

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My name is Brent and welcome
to the Fallible Man podcast.

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Welcome to the Fallible Man podcast.

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Your home for all things,
man, husband and father.

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Big shout out to Fallible Nation and a
warm welcome to our first time listeners.

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Hey, I know you got a lot of choices,
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Thanks for checking us out.

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My special guest is
author Brett Snodgrass.

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Brett, welcome to the
fallible man podcast.

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Thanks Brent.

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Appreciate you man.

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Yeah, you had me on the show.

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Yeah.

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Excited to be here, man.

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You're awesome.

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I was just telling you, I
like the Grinch behind you.

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So, uh, I'm digging the
pipe art on your wall.

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Hey, you guys listening to
the audio version of this?

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I stole those out of the house.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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You know, I still, we, we take
the, we take the plumbing and then

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I put them on my podcast wall.

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My, my wife loves that style of decor.

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Yeah.

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Uh, so.

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She's always showing me stuff like that.

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My, my sister has, my sister's uber
talented at building things and she built

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a candle opera out of copper piping.

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Well, it was made to sit in a
fireplace where you could have

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like 16 candles in a fireplace.

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So you have the look and effect.

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Yeah.

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Uh, it's crazy how, like, if you
just look at the styles of just the

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history, right, just how they change.

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And right now it's like,
you know, it used to be.

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You know, gold stuff and then
the drywall and the shag carpet.

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And then now like you just, you don't have
any drywall and it's all metal and it's,

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and it's, you know, concrete floors and.

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Just crazy.

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So it's fun though.

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The design, how's your trivia?

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How's my trivia?

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Yeah, probably terrible.

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All right.

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Right.

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So this one should be right up your
alley based on your decor, but we'll

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see which famous inventor invented the
telephone, Edison, Alexander Graham Bell.

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Okay.

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Alexander Graham Bell.

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Now guys, you know, the rules don't cheat.

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Don't go ahead.

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Yes.

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For God's sakes, don't write it
down if you're driving and we'll

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come back to that later in the show.

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Now, Brett, I start my show with
the same question because the

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most important thing I can talk
about is, you know, today, right?

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So who today in this moment is
Brett Snodgrass in your own words?

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In my own words.

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Yeah, man, I'm just going to start off
with just saying, I'm a, I'm a man of God.

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Um, my faith is extremely important to me.

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And, uh, And that's where everything just
kind of stems from my purpose, my passion.

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Um, uh, a man of God, I'm a husband
to my wife, Karen for 11 years.

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I'm a father of four.

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Beautiful children.

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Uh, and I'm an entrepreneur.

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I'm a creator.

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I just love to create things.

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Um, I think God just designed me with
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and maybe creating something with it.

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Uh, so I like the blank canvas and I'm not
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can't paint and I'm not a musician, but I
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create, which happens to be businesses.

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Uh, I love leading teams,
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Um, so yeah, so whatever happens
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love to get in that space.

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I think that's why I wrote the book,
the secret war within something from

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nothing, creating something out of it.

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So, uh, entrepreneur and creator, I
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Orange juice, pulp, some pulp, no pulp.

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Yeah, definitely.

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No pulp.

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I'm not a pulp guy.

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Kind of makes me gag a little bit.

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You a Harry Potter fan?

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I'm not.

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I've watched, I've watched Harry
Potter, but I, I have not followed.

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No, never read a book
of Harry, Harry Potter.

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What house would the
sorting hat put you in?

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What house would the
sorting hat put me in?

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I have no idea what you're talking about.

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You said you watched the movies.

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Come on, man.

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I want maybe the first one.

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What was the first one?

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Come on.

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Oh, yeah.

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That's hilarious.

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You know how many people I, I have asked
that who'd like, uh Do you have Harry

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Potter fans come on the come on the show?

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Uh, I have a lot of people who love
Harry Potter who come on this show.

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Are you a Harry Potter fan?

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I am a Harry Potter nerd.

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I have two daughters.

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I have a nine year old
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Well, what house are you in?

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Oh, no.

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That's a family fight.

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I'm a Okay, I gotcha.

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Have not officially taken like there's
actually a quiz you can take online.

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Okay.

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I'm not even asked for that, but all
of my siblings are all Slytherin.

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Okay, which is the bad house.

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I have a Hufflepuff and a Gryffindor
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So I don't know much about that.

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Now I do, I do, I'm a fan of
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And, uh, one of the tests that
we follow is the Enneagram test.

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And I'm a, I'm a high seven with a wing
three, which basically high sevens are.

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We love new adventure, creative people.

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And then the three is I like to achieve.

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So if you put me on an adventure
with an achievement to it.

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I'm all in.

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Let's go.

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You're an earthen door.

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That's what that is.

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Amen.

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There we go.

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We, we sorted it out on air.

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There we go.

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Yeah.

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I'm going to have to watch the movies now.

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So I am a Lord of the Rings fan.

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Don't ask me, don't ask
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I just liked, I just liked the story.

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I liked the allegory, the story, the,
the, the entire series with my children.

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I rewatched the entire series a
couple of years ago when I had COVID.

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So that was fun.

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We did, uh, The Hobbit and then
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back in the course of the week, we
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So you love allegories.

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You love, right.

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The story with it.

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Yeah, it's good.

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I do zombie apocalypse.

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What's your weapon of choice?

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I don't, uh, zombie apocalypse.

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Um, I don't know.

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Blowtorch.

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Is that a, is that a good weapon?

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I mean, I like, I like fire and I
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So I like it.

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Yeah.

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Like if I went to.

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There's these, um, one, a group of
friends, they, they, there's these things

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down and, um, I think it's different
places, but Texas, but you can actually

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have blow torches and you can drive over
cars with tanks and stuff like that.

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I've never actually done it.

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Something I'd love to do.

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So that just reminded
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Destination, right?

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Yeah.

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I've seen a couple of, I told my
wife years ago, like my wife grew

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up, her father worked on, uh, heavy
machinery, big caps and stuff.

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And I told her, it's like, you know, we
need just open, like get a bunch of land

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and buy some excavators, tobacco, and.

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You know bulldozers and just
have an adult playground.

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Yeah, that'd be amazing whatever it
costs an hour for the gas plus Right.

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Yeah Yeah, they have uh, like I
said some of my friends did they

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did the tank running over stuff?

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They had like the the
machine guns Crazy stuff.

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So that'd be fun, man.

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I told her that that
could be our business.

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She's like, yeah, it's got
a really high startup cost.

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That is true.

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What purchase of a hundred dollars or
less you made in the last year that's

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had the biggest impact on your life?

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Man, a hundred dollars or less.

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Um, Biggest impact.

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Man, it's a tough, tough question.

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Um, I don't spend a lot
of things for 100 or less.

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I'm a pretty, I'm an expensive guy.

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Um, I hear that a lot.

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I could tell you, I could tell you one
of the biggest, this is not 100 less,

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but it's, it's less than 100 an hour.

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And this is, this is the biggest impact.

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So I, uh, So I'll just say this one.

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I travel back and forth from Indianapolis
to Fort Wayne because my business

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is in Indy and I live in Fort Wayne.

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It's a two hour trip one way.

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And I read this book on buying
back my time, so I hired a driver.

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And, uh, that's been, that's been a huge
impact on my life because now I can,

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uh, Be present, get more productive.

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So I tell you anyways, that's less
than a hundred dollars an hour.

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So a hundred dollars, a hundred dollars.

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Uh, you know, this is actually a
bit more than a hundred dollars.

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My wife bought me an aura ring for
Christmas and that's, that's a two 50, 300

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bucks, but, um, that's been a big impact.

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I can track my sleep, my health.

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Um, but sleeping, I think is huge.

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Cause I think it's
entrepreneurs and creators.

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I don't know about you, but I'm always.

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Sometimes it's trouble.

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If I, if I've got stuff in my
mind, I'm, I'm, I'm spending,

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I'm, I'm thinking about things.

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I'm thinking about what I need to do.

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And, uh, so sleep is, is
huge, important for health.

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And, uh, so that's been a huge
impact for Chris from Christmas.

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Oh, yeah mine like i'm i'm big into doing
like a mind dump before I go to bed um

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Because if I get it's like an itch I can't
scratch on the creativity scale, right?

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I I woke up one morning at like 2 30 in
the morning with an entire Thing worked

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out in my head and I jumped out of bed
and I came upstairs and I turned on my

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computer I'm sitting here in my gym shorts
just For like 40 minutes and I just went

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back to the couch and fell asleep Came
back and read the notes afterwards, but

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I knew I, I couldn't go back to sleep.

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I would miss all of it.

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Uh, but I had this, I'm,
I'm working on a book.

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This whole show started with me
working on a book and I, I had

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like, I worked out the cover art.

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I worked out the intro, like I had worked
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And I knew I wouldn't actually sleep
well and I'd lose half of it if I

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tried to go back to sleep So I just
got started working and when I once

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I put it all on paper, I went back
to sleep Yeah, no, I love that.

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Um because in that creative space
you can't force it I mean when

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I was writing my book, I just
sometimes you just cannot force it.

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You don't know when it's gonna come
And it comes at the weird times.

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I mean, people's creativities comes
when you're on a walk or exercise

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or in the middle of the night, uh,
through a dream, uh, and you just have

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to lay it down, uh, when it comes.

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And there's many times I tried to
force it and it's just, it's hard to

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force the creativity of it for sure.

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That's.

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When I get stuck Right.

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When I get too business focused.

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Yeah.

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I'll get jammed up there.

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I have to go do something creative.

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Mm-Hmm.

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. I, I have a ton of shirt designs on my
website, , that we sell for merchandising.

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And honestly, if they
never sell, I don't care.

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I, I did it because I
needed to check out of Yeah.

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Business and do something creative.

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Yeah.

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And once that itch takes hold, like
I, I can't focus on anything else.

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Yeah.

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And that's the thing for me, like, I
love the creative space, again, like,

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the best, my favorite part of writing a
book was the rough draft, uh, laying down

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something from nothing, dreaming about it.

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Probably the most difficult part of the
book was now, honestly, some of the, the

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business aspect, the marketing aspect, the
transactional aspect sometimes, um, and

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sometimes that's where we can get stuck.

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The creative minds, we have to, there's
a business behind some of these things,

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but that's where I get kind of stuck or I
get burned out if I'm too transactional,

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uh, with different things and, you know.

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Uh, that's why I have a, I have a business
coach and I have a good coach because

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I do the podcast and everything I do.

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I do that forever.

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Yeah.

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But then you don't know how
to where it makes some kind of

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income to support what I do.

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Yeah.

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That's tough.

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It's tough.

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Cause it's your passion.

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It's your labor of love.

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Yeah.

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It's like, how do you brain dump?

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Yeah.

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'cause you do it anyways.

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I mean, you would do it, uh, if,
if there wasn't any money, but

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you have to make money, right?

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At the end of the day.

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Mm-Hmm.

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. And then that's that whole balancing act.

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So Right.

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That's, but that's where
good coaches come in.

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Yeah.

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You, you find that coach to walk
you through the part where you're

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not going to do well on your own.

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Yeah.

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Uh, you know, I, I don't need
somebody to run me through

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creativity exercises or stuff.

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But someone had actually like, you know,
put my feet to the coals and be like,

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all right, Brent, you need to draft
up this proposal, put this together.

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Uh, you know, we, we've got to figure out
a way to put some finance behind this.

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You can't live forever doing this.

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I know they've said the same thing just
with my organization iron deep, because

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that's a ministry and it's a labor of
love and I love doing it, but I don't

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make any money at it, I lose money.

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Honestly, I spend money to do it.

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Um, and, uh, I, I, I'm a.

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Huge proponent of coaches too.

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I have a business life type of coach.

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And right now we're working
on about a plan for my family.

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Cause my last session with him,
I was like, man, I just feel

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like I need to work on my family.

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I need to pour into them.

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How do you, you know, as an
entrepreneur creator, you're

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trying to balance that too.

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Um, and I always encourage
guys, what does that look like?

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And I'm trying to work on that.

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Like, what does it look like
to continuously be intentional

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with your family, but I got
these other things going on.

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Um, anyways, so I'm, yeah, I'm
getting coached up to, I think,

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honestly, I, I haven't, I've talked
to so many entrepreneurs on the show

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over the years now, and I haven't
met one yet who didn't have at least

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one coach actively in their life.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It was usually to compliment
something that's not their main thing.

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Mm hmm.

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But every single one of them has just,
I mean, the value to them of having a

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coach to shortcut the corners, right?

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Miss the common mistakes.

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I just helped my friend
launch his podcast.

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It's blowing up.

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He's two months in and it exploded.

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Blowing up faster than my show has ever
gone, but it's because he coordinated

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with me and one or two other guys that
he's really close with who have podcasts.

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And we've been like, nope, tweak this,
change this, uh, to avoid those hurdles

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that we learned the hard way several years
into ours and, and he's, it's blown up.

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I'm so I'm happy for him.

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So very happy for him, but it's like,
dude, I wish I had had me early on.

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Yeah.

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I mean, it's just like, yeah, I'm
a, I just did a meetup yesterday.

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Cause I'm a real estate investor too.

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And I was in front of a
about 50 or so real estate

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investors here in Indianapolis.

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And, uh, I was talking about having
a mentor, having a coach and I do it.

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It's, it's so important
to sit at the feet.

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Of someone who has walked the road
before you and whatever it is, it

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could be business, podcasting, family.

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And for mine, like I hired
more of this, I hired a, uh,

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a CEO who was older than I am.

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He's 60 something years old.

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He had ran a business, but
he's also a huge family man.

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So that's why I want to sit his feet.

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How do you do this?

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Because my kids are young, you know, how
do I, uh, be intentional with business?

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How do you win at business
and at family, right?

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You know, because a lot of times
there's this balancing act.

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Oh, you're winning it, your
family, you're really intentional.

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And, and you're, and you're winning
over here, but then your business

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sacrifices or your business sacrifice
CP, and I see this all the time.

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Most of the time, business is success, but
the family sacrifices, can you do both?

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And that's, so I'm getting
coached up on that.

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So like it, I was to sit
down at your dinner table.

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What is the funny story your
family would tell on you?

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The funny story my
family would tell on me.

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Um, uh, I love to just like sing
songs like musicals with my family.

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My daughter, she's five and
she she's doing like these.

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Preschool songs and presentations.

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And, uh, and I, and I love
to just do that with her.

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Um, I love to be just, just goofy,
uh, with my family, whether it's

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yeah, karaoke or I don't know.

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I just, I love to dress up.

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Um, we, we were talking about
dressing up as the Grinch.

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We, we do some, some fun
stuff like that at Halloween.

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I always dress up as like last year,
I dress up as an 80 year old man.

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Um, and I had this mask.

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It looked completely just.

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So I go over, I overdo pretty
much everything in my life.

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Um, so I think again,
just the creative side.

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Singing songs, musicals, dressing
up fun, goofy, fourth grader stuff.

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That's what I love.

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Even our iron deep, our iron deep
events are for men, entrepreneurs.

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They're 40 to 50, 60 year old guys.

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But I say, you know.

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I, the program, honestly, is like you're
in a fifth grade youth camp at the end

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of the day and it just gets them back
to the innocent heart of a man, right?

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Um, so I just love doing that.

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Well, that makes it good because they
don't have any good stories they can

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rat you out because you're like, dude.

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That's right.

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I don't even hide that.

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This is just me.

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That's right.

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I like it.

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I like it a lot.

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Yeah.

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What is something people
need to know about you as we

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proceed into the show today?

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Um, the, I think just, I'm just, uh,
a man, um, that has struggles within,

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uh, even the book, The Secret War
Within, I'm still living through that.

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I have not, I have not made it.

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I tried to come here humbly
with a humble heart, uh, a man

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just trying to figure that out.

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You know what I mean?

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If you look at some of the
exterior things of my life, I.

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Maybe you've seen my podcast or
you've seen us, our real estate

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business or heard my story with that.

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And he was like, Oh, this guy
has, you know, so many different

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things, um, of a success story.

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Uh, but no matter where you're at or
season that you're in, you still have some

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of the, the internal struggles of, uh,
Of just whatever every guy deals with.

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Um, and, uh, for, you know,
men are men, I think, right?

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Follow Fallible Man podcast.

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I mean, men are men.

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I've, I've been in rooms with highly
successful men that have great businesses.

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And then I've done prison ministries
with men locked up for life.

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And it's just, it's the same stories.

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I mean, it's the same struggles.

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They all desire and want The same
things, I think that's, that's just,

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I think maybe what your audience maybe
can hear today that no matter what

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season you're in, we're all, we're
all in this together and we're all

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going through, through something.

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So guys, we've been getting no bread
and then the next part of the show,

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we're going to dive into a little
more about Brett, what he actually

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We just spent some time getting to know
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and a little bit about him, a sense
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fed into his life and this part of the
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And his book that he wrote that we
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So Brett, before we dig into your
book, tell us the story, right?

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You're, you're an interesting guy.

474
00:22:23,700 --> 00:22:26,929
You've got real estate going on and
then out of the blue, you decided to

475
00:22:27,239 --> 00:22:31,330
write a book and we'll get to that,
but you've got this creative street.

476
00:22:32,959 --> 00:22:35,040
What, what does Brett like?

477
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:35,619
Who are you?

478
00:22:35,619 --> 00:22:36,160
What do you do?

479
00:22:38,120 --> 00:22:40,230
I'm still trying to figure that
out, trying to figure that out.

480
00:22:41,365 --> 00:22:42,245
Here's a trivia question.

481
00:22:42,255 --> 00:22:44,125
Have you ever seen the
movie high school musical?

482
00:22:44,885 --> 00:22:45,555
No.

483
00:22:45,745 --> 00:22:47,215
Oh, well, there you go.

484
00:22:47,525 --> 00:22:48,805
I'm a, I'm a movie nerd.

485
00:22:48,805 --> 00:22:49,315
I've never seen that one.

486
00:22:49,955 --> 00:22:50,335
All right.

487
00:22:50,345 --> 00:22:51,415
It's not a pure spite.

488
00:22:53,565 --> 00:22:56,495
Well, I had a daughter, uh, she's,
she's, uh, getting ready to turn 17.

489
00:22:56,694 --> 00:23:00,034
Uh, I ha I have a daughter and,
uh, we used to watch high school

490
00:23:00,034 --> 00:23:03,105
musical, but, uh, in high school
musical, there was an athlete.

491
00:23:03,175 --> 00:23:05,765
I don't remember the names, but there
was an athlete, he's a basketball player.

492
00:23:06,185 --> 00:23:09,565
And then, but secretly he, uh,
Wanted to be in the plays and

493
00:23:09,565 --> 00:23:10,925
he wanted to be in musical.

494
00:23:10,925 --> 00:23:14,745
He's a really good singer, but he didn't
want people to know that about him.

495
00:23:15,025 --> 00:23:15,385
Right.

496
00:23:15,395 --> 00:23:19,284
So he had this dilemma of
which path to go towards.

497
00:23:19,315 --> 00:23:22,715
And, uh, and I can relate to that
because I think I was an athlete.

498
00:23:23,094 --> 00:23:24,155
I'm a businessman.

499
00:23:24,185 --> 00:23:25,345
I'm an entrepreneur.

500
00:23:26,035 --> 00:23:27,459
I've been around that world.

501
00:23:27,600 --> 00:23:30,010
for 17 years in the real estate business.

502
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:31,870
We flip houses in Indianapolis.

503
00:23:31,870 --> 00:23:33,010
I do rental properties.

504
00:23:33,010 --> 00:23:34,850
We do some, some cool things with that.

505
00:23:35,330 --> 00:23:38,240
Um, but I've always related
more to the creative side.

506
00:23:38,390 --> 00:23:40,639
I've always related more to the artist.

507
00:23:41,230 --> 00:23:48,739
And, um, uh, so, so I think, you know,
to boil it down is I am an entrepreneur.

508
00:23:48,839 --> 00:23:49,849
I'm a businessman.

509
00:23:49,869 --> 00:23:51,279
I love to create.

510
00:23:51,805 --> 00:23:54,625
And to make money and,
and to have that success.

511
00:23:54,625 --> 00:23:57,975
And we've been able to do that
in real estate, uh, throughout

512
00:23:57,975 --> 00:23:59,365
the last 17 years of my life.

513
00:23:59,365 --> 00:24:02,365
We flipped, you know, 3000 plus
homes, something like that.

514
00:24:02,385 --> 00:24:04,694
Um, I have a team here in
Indianapolis of about 10 people.

515
00:24:05,284 --> 00:24:09,735
Um, but I'm in this season now of again, I
get to kind of go back to my, my creative

516
00:24:09,735 --> 00:24:12,855
side and I was like, you know, I was
dreaming a couple of years ago about what

517
00:24:12,855 --> 00:24:16,855
the Lord kind of wanted to do next with
my life and what's this season look like,

518
00:24:16,855 --> 00:24:20,784
and I started getting back to some of
the childlike innocence, the childlike

519
00:24:20,785 --> 00:24:24,725
heart and, um, And that's where some of
these things kind of popped out from.

520
00:24:24,725 --> 00:24:30,465
Uh, I wanted to, to write a book
that related, uh, to some of my life.

521
00:24:30,545 --> 00:24:34,445
Uh, it's an allegory called the secret war
within, and it reads kind of like a movie.

522
00:24:35,175 --> 00:24:38,044
Um, that's some of the creative side.

523
00:24:38,054 --> 00:24:42,975
I also saw men struggling in
some of the groups that I was in.

524
00:24:43,085 --> 00:24:48,365
Uh, so we tried, we started creating
Iron Deep, which is a men's community of

525
00:24:48,365 --> 00:24:54,590
Christian men, business owner, And even
sometimes real estate, we even lean into

526
00:24:54,590 --> 00:24:58,680
more real estate business owners, and
that's where that community, uh, came

527
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:02,630
in iron, deep iron, sharpening iron, and
then going deep in connection with God and

528
00:25:02,630 --> 00:25:04,709
each other is basically where it came in.

529
00:25:04,719 --> 00:25:07,780
Cause one of the other things is, I
don't know about you, but sometimes

530
00:25:07,780 --> 00:25:10,739
it's harder for men to build some
of those deeper relationships.

531
00:25:10,750 --> 00:25:14,510
So the program and your organization
designed and, and develops this

532
00:25:14,510 --> 00:25:18,230
environment to build a depth to
the relationship, not the shallow.

533
00:25:18,259 --> 00:25:19,550
Cause even the groups that I've been in.

534
00:25:20,205 --> 00:25:22,935
Again, they might help me with
certain things in my life, my

535
00:25:22,935 --> 00:25:26,295
business life, whatever that looks
like, but I have still walked away

536
00:25:26,295 --> 00:25:29,155
with no depth to the relationships
in that particular organization.

537
00:25:29,675 --> 00:25:34,485
So I was trying to do something, uh,
yeah, to build this deep, long brotherhood

538
00:25:34,504 --> 00:25:36,455
with these guys to do life together.

539
00:25:37,155 --> 00:25:40,125
Uh, and, and we do different
activities within that organization

540
00:25:40,125 --> 00:25:41,244
to, to build that depth.

541
00:25:41,254 --> 00:25:42,525
So that's a little bit about me.

542
00:25:42,585 --> 00:25:48,424
Um, run the men's group, wrote the book,
but also entrepreneur family of four.

543
00:25:48,885 --> 00:25:49,385
Married.

544
00:25:49,475 --> 00:25:51,375
So a little bit in a nutshell, man.

545
00:25:51,375 --> 00:25:54,425
So I still trying to figure out
what's, what's, uh, what's the path.

546
00:25:54,435 --> 00:25:56,895
What's the season next,
uh, in my life, honestly.

547
00:25:56,925 --> 00:26:00,154
So, but my, my passion is
the creative side, but the

548
00:26:00,154 --> 00:26:03,445
business fuels creative side.

549
00:26:04,195 --> 00:26:04,834
Well, that makes sense.

550
00:26:04,834 --> 00:26:07,094
That's actually probably a
better business plan than mine.

551
00:26:09,354 --> 00:26:16,295
And well, you know, the thing is, here's,
I think the dilemma is because if you

552
00:26:16,295 --> 00:26:19,865
read business books, which you do Brent.

553
00:26:20,624 --> 00:26:22,674
There's books out there
called the one thing.

554
00:26:23,855 --> 00:26:31,684
There's books out there called 10 X is
better than two X or things like that.

555
00:26:32,124 --> 00:26:34,465
And it typically all boils down to.

556
00:26:34,879 --> 00:26:40,520
Find your one thing, find your
niche, go all in, because you can

557
00:26:40,530 --> 00:26:45,739
go further with one thing than
you can with multiple things.

558
00:26:46,009 --> 00:26:50,690
And sometimes that's a dilemma,
because right now, right, I have

559
00:26:50,710 --> 00:26:53,149
multiple things, um, going on.

560
00:26:53,740 --> 00:26:57,769
But for me, it's always been, the
real estate business is great, and I,

561
00:26:57,769 --> 00:27:01,889
and I impact there, but it always has
fueled, you know, the goal was to fuel

562
00:27:01,889 --> 00:27:03,699
this other, uh, passion of mine, so.

563
00:27:04,990 --> 00:27:07,430
That's one of the things they don't
tell you in those business books

564
00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:09,340
because I've now read a lot of them.

565
00:27:09,340 --> 00:27:11,030
In fact, my business coach yelled at me.

566
00:27:11,030 --> 00:27:13,270
He's like, stop reading business books.

567
00:27:16,259 --> 00:27:21,389
He's like, the last one you read, have you
mastered what you learned in that book?

568
00:27:21,629 --> 00:27:23,550
Have you applied it to your business?

569
00:27:24,159 --> 00:27:25,489
He said, you're getting into this.

570
00:27:26,699 --> 00:27:28,349
He called it a death spiral.

571
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:31,300
And what is a death spiral?

572
00:27:31,340 --> 00:27:32,740
Just learning and not doing.

573
00:27:32,890 --> 00:27:33,190
Yeah.

574
00:27:33,190 --> 00:27:34,350
It's an information, right?

575
00:27:34,350 --> 00:27:38,630
We're all about taking in the next book,
the next information, the next, right.

576
00:27:38,630 --> 00:27:42,630
We're so busy digging up information
that none of it actually ever

577
00:27:42,630 --> 00:27:46,660
gets applied and put into practice
and tested to see if it works.

578
00:27:47,570 --> 00:27:50,330
And it's hard to, so,
and it's easy to learn.

579
00:27:50,370 --> 00:27:51,510
It's easy to read.

580
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:52,680
It's easy to listen.

581
00:27:53,110 --> 00:27:56,649
It's really hard to execute and it
takes time to execute and you can't

582
00:27:56,669 --> 00:27:58,290
execute everything all at once.

583
00:27:58,310 --> 00:28:00,659
Um, and it's really hard.

584
00:28:00,659 --> 00:28:03,810
And, uh, I think we fall into the
trap of, Oh, business owners and CEOs.

585
00:28:03,820 --> 00:28:07,259
The average CEO reads 52 books a
year, 60 books a year, whatever it is.

586
00:28:07,260 --> 00:28:08,840
So now we're like, Oh,
I'm a business owner.

587
00:28:09,030 --> 00:28:10,749
I have to read 60 books a year.

588
00:28:10,749 --> 00:28:11,720
That's one a week.

589
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:16,040
It's hard to execute one
thing every single week.

590
00:28:17,405 --> 00:28:19,005
Uh, yeah.

591
00:28:19,005 --> 00:28:25,195
So I I'm actually was what if you read
12 books, one a month and executed

592
00:28:25,245 --> 00:28:29,365
what you learned and then, and just
pick out the ones that like that just

593
00:28:29,365 --> 00:28:31,695
blow your mind there that are amazing.

594
00:28:31,725 --> 00:28:34,344
Um, and just stick with those, right.

595
00:28:34,385 --> 00:28:35,704
Um, there's plenty of books.

596
00:28:35,705 --> 00:28:38,004
You should just read again
every year and that's it.

597
00:28:38,004 --> 00:28:40,595
So what they don't, they also don't
tell you in the business books, right.

598
00:28:40,595 --> 00:28:42,045
If you have to have the income.

599
00:28:42,639 --> 00:28:45,230
You have to have something that's
producing financially for you.

600
00:28:45,469 --> 00:28:45,799
Yeah.

601
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:46,730
Right.

602
00:28:46,750 --> 00:28:51,500
Those CEOs reading, you know, 52
books a year also are making, you

603
00:28:51,500 --> 00:28:54,090
know, a million dollar plus salaries.

604
00:28:54,170 --> 00:28:54,620
Right.

605
00:28:54,840 --> 00:28:55,980
Are way higher.

606
00:28:56,300 --> 00:28:56,520
Yeah.

607
00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:01,820
And so part of it, what they're
paid for is their wisdom insight

608
00:29:01,870 --> 00:29:04,139
to ride shotgun over things.

609
00:29:04,140 --> 00:29:10,949
And until you get to that point, cramming
in that much knowledge and, and having

610
00:29:10,949 --> 00:29:13,729
the time in your schedule to process.

611
00:29:14,614 --> 00:29:16,945
I can't, I'm sorry, I read pretty quickly.

612
00:29:16,945 --> 00:29:18,735
I don't have time to
read a book in a week.

613
00:29:19,134 --> 00:29:19,514
Right.

614
00:29:19,905 --> 00:29:20,255
Yeah.

615
00:29:21,315 --> 00:29:22,675
And I can, I can listen.

616
00:29:22,695 --> 00:29:22,985
Yeah.

617
00:29:22,985 --> 00:29:24,055
And I can listen to a book.

618
00:29:24,055 --> 00:29:26,845
I do a lot of audible types of books
and I can listen if it's a really,

619
00:29:26,854 --> 00:29:30,105
really good book and it's short
and it's like, you know, 150 pages.

620
00:29:30,724 --> 00:29:31,704
That's, that's fine.

621
00:29:31,724 --> 00:29:38,574
Um, but, uh, yeah, it's just, it's
really hard, uh, to execute and,

622
00:29:38,584 --> 00:29:40,044
and especially execute everything.

623
00:29:40,044 --> 00:29:42,334
Just pick out, thing.

624
00:29:42,715 --> 00:29:45,225
Um, and here's another thing.

625
00:29:45,264 --> 00:29:49,095
So I talked to a lot of real estate
guys, a lot of real estate investors,

626
00:29:49,115 --> 00:29:54,265
and they're trying to Start this
real estate business with no income.

627
00:29:54,365 --> 00:29:57,075
So very much to the content world.

628
00:29:57,505 --> 00:30:01,065
If you don't have an income and you're
trying to start this there's extra stress

629
00:30:01,435 --> 00:30:07,515
Involved on top of already something
new that's already kind of stressful

630
00:30:08,105 --> 00:30:11,285
and you're trying to get it going Plus
you got this added layer of paying your

631
00:30:11,295 --> 00:30:17,225
bills It's just very very difficult
and I always recommend so even like I

632
00:30:17,225 --> 00:30:20,860
said, I did a presentation the other
day You And here's how I started in

633
00:30:20,860 --> 00:30:24,650
the real estate business, I worked for
another real estate business for like

634
00:30:24,660 --> 00:30:26,270
three years before I went on my own.

635
00:30:26,830 --> 00:30:32,870
So I had this income and started started
doing a little bit on the side until the

636
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:35,570
little bit on the side matched my income.

637
00:30:35,670 --> 00:30:38,530
And then I was like,
All right, let's go in.

638
00:30:39,290 --> 00:30:40,430
Yeah, that's what I recommend.

639
00:30:40,590 --> 00:30:45,030
I always tell people, you got to have
that active income because it's it's

640
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,590
very hard to start something with that.

641
00:30:46,865 --> 00:30:50,415
With no income, you can be really
busy, be content, anything.

642
00:30:50,425 --> 00:30:55,475
So, uh, I think people that, I don't
know, I know people have made it and,

643
00:30:55,475 --> 00:31:00,195
and it's, and they say, burn the boats
and just go all in and, and I get that.

644
00:31:00,195 --> 00:31:04,465
But I think reality is most people
don't, don't start that way.

645
00:31:05,395 --> 00:31:05,715
Something.

646
00:31:05,715 --> 00:31:07,969
If you do like look into the side hustles.

647
00:31:08,260 --> 00:31:08,500
Yeah.

648
00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:09,710
Yeah.

649
00:31:10,270 --> 00:31:13,980
Anybody who's really honest about that
will tell you is like, yes, you should

650
00:31:13,980 --> 00:31:17,840
probably have a side hustle because you
should have two, three, you should have

651
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:19,830
seven strings of income realistically.

652
00:31:19,970 --> 00:31:20,000
But.

653
00:31:21,570 --> 00:31:27,150
People who are honest about it will
tell you, do your job, make your living.

654
00:31:27,390 --> 00:31:29,460
This is a side hustle.

655
00:31:30,370 --> 00:31:34,050
Now, eventually if you grow that side
hustle enough that it replaces your

656
00:31:34,060 --> 00:31:39,670
full time income, and then you want
to go all in, go ahead or keep doing

657
00:31:39,670 --> 00:31:41,440
both and just farm part of that out.

658
00:31:41,590 --> 00:31:41,980
Right.

659
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:42,520
Right.

660
00:31:42,550 --> 00:31:44,010
But that's the honest ones.

661
00:31:44,010 --> 00:31:47,910
Then you get a lot of the YouTube
hustlers who are just like zero down.

662
00:31:48,700 --> 00:31:49,510
15 businesses.

663
00:31:49,510 --> 00:31:51,520
You can start with zero down, right?

664
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:53,030
Yeah.

665
00:31:53,090 --> 00:31:55,200
But the Don is probably, they're
probably not doing any business.

666
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:55,900
They're just teaching it.

667
00:31:56,740 --> 00:32:00,300
Um, yeah, no, I totally,
I totally agree with that.

668
00:32:00,430 --> 00:32:03,160
When I said, again, when I started the
real estate business, I was, I think I

669
00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:07,700
was working a job I was making 40 K a
year, and then my real estate business

670
00:32:07,700 --> 00:32:11,060
made 40 K a year, and then I just asked
myself, what if I took all the time that I

671
00:32:11,060 --> 00:32:14,240
spent into that job and I put it into the
business, you know, What could it do then?

672
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:15,930
And that's, that's what I did.

673
00:32:15,930 --> 00:32:18,590
So I would recommend, and maybe you
don't have to match your income, but

674
00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:22,010
at least match where you pay your
bills, uh, first before you go all in.

675
00:32:22,220 --> 00:32:23,030
That's my recommendation.

676
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:24,090
Oh, yeah.

677
00:32:24,850 --> 00:32:28,920
Uh, I, I heard Alex Famosi speaking
live at a conference two years ago,

678
00:32:28,950 --> 00:32:30,640
or I think it was two years ago now.

679
00:32:31,770 --> 00:32:34,094
Things blur, you know, after
a couple, a certain age.

680
00:32:34,445 --> 00:32:35,115
I don't care.

681
00:32:37,435 --> 00:32:37,665
Yeah.

682
00:32:37,935 --> 00:32:44,625
It's like last week, three years ago, I
heard him talking about, he's like, we're

683
00:32:44,685 --> 00:32:46,485
talking to a room full of YouTubers.

684
00:32:46,525 --> 00:32:51,465
I was at this conference in Vegas and
he said, you guys are all wondering why

685
00:32:51,465 --> 00:32:52,895
your YouTube channels don't take off.

686
00:32:52,925 --> 00:32:57,285
Cause you talk about this and you talk
about this, he's like, go do something

687
00:32:57,315 --> 00:33:02,259
first, because everybody can see that
you have no idea what's going on.

688
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:03,540
You don't have the experience.

689
00:33:03,540 --> 00:33:07,340
You may have the intellectual knowledge
on it, but you haven't actually done it.

690
00:33:07,340 --> 00:33:14,630
And he said, the reason all of my
stuff works is because I built seven

691
00:33:14,630 --> 00:33:16,210
multimillion dollar businesses.

692
00:33:17,190 --> 00:33:19,910
I built one of them just to
prove that it was easy to do.

693
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,990
He said, so when I started doing
YouTube, I didn't have to advertise

694
00:33:25,620 --> 00:33:28,050
because everybody could see the proof.

695
00:33:28,605 --> 00:33:30,565
What I was sharing, right?

696
00:33:30,655 --> 00:33:34,315
He's like, so go do something
and then you can talk about it.

697
00:33:34,455 --> 00:33:34,855
Yeah.

698
00:33:35,565 --> 00:33:35,835
Yeah.

699
00:33:35,835 --> 00:33:37,315
I totally, I totally agree.

700
00:33:37,375 --> 00:33:38,325
I totally agree.

701
00:33:38,375 --> 00:33:43,855
Um, for example, you know, the financial
advising type of industry, uh, again,

702
00:33:44,255 --> 00:33:49,405
when I see kind of like that young person
who Is advising me on like my finances.

703
00:33:49,405 --> 00:33:53,455
Sometimes that turns me off because I
want them, I want to see that experience.

704
00:33:53,455 --> 00:33:56,235
That's why my coaches are people
that have done, they're not,

705
00:33:56,515 --> 00:33:58,315
they're not learning to be coaches.

706
00:33:58,315 --> 00:33:59,855
They're like my coach right now.

707
00:34:00,075 --> 00:34:00,895
He's done.

708
00:34:01,515 --> 00:34:02,375
What can I learn from you?

709
00:34:02,375 --> 00:34:03,515
Because you've been in the trenches.

710
00:34:03,515 --> 00:34:06,754
You know exactly what I'm going through
and other people that just teach.

711
00:34:07,055 --> 00:34:07,395
They don't.

712
00:34:08,435 --> 00:34:08,825
Oh yeah.

713
00:34:09,195 --> 00:34:15,485
So that's why I, I like the hairs on the
back of my neck stand up when I get like

714
00:34:15,655 --> 00:34:18,595
22 year old life coaches on my show.

715
00:34:20,975 --> 00:34:21,835
You haven't lived.

716
00:34:23,545 --> 00:34:25,555
It's not even me trying
to be disrespectful.

717
00:34:25,565 --> 00:34:28,515
I know that intellectually, like
you've been through some training

718
00:34:28,825 --> 00:34:32,915
and you think you've seen some stuff
because at 20 something, I'm sure

719
00:34:32,915 --> 00:34:34,865
I thought I knew some stuff, right?

720
00:34:35,495 --> 00:34:39,935
But it's like, you can't tell me how
to live a life that you have no idea

721
00:34:39,935 --> 00:34:41,825
how to live because you barely started.

722
00:34:42,435 --> 00:34:42,955
Amen.

723
00:34:44,555 --> 00:34:44,765
Amen.

724
00:34:44,765 --> 00:34:45,665
It's not disrespectful.

725
00:34:45,675 --> 00:34:48,585
It's like, there's, there's
just some time in the military,

726
00:34:48,585 --> 00:34:49,675
they call it time and rank.

727
00:34:49,675 --> 00:34:49,735
Amen.

728
00:34:49,735 --> 00:34:49,754
Amen.

729
00:34:50,225 --> 00:34:50,565
Right.

730
00:34:50,975 --> 00:34:51,155
Yeah.

731
00:34:51,155 --> 00:34:54,465
You have to be in a rank for so long
before you can go to that next rank.

732
00:34:55,405 --> 00:34:56,365
It's the same thing in life.

733
00:34:56,575 --> 00:34:57,525
There's some time in rank.

734
00:34:57,860 --> 00:35:01,090
Don't tell me about how to
take care of my marriage.

735
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,130
Cause you've been married
for two years, right?

736
00:35:03,420 --> 00:35:04,800
When I've been married for 23.

737
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:08,630
So that doesn't sit well for me.

738
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:09,200
Yeah.

739
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:10,230
Yeah.

740
00:35:10,440 --> 00:35:11,130
It's yeah.

741
00:35:11,130 --> 00:35:12,870
It's just that, that,
that different seasons.

742
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:13,600
Cause you just don't know.

743
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:14,920
I mean, you're still
like the marriage thing.

744
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,370
You're still in the, in the honeymoon.

745
00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:19,000
I remember when me and my wife, before
we got married, we were talking to

746
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:24,000
other couples, um, about marriage
and what is this going to look like?

747
00:35:24,000 --> 00:35:25,960
And these couples are
married 20, 25 years.

748
00:35:26,395 --> 00:35:30,765
And they're like, you know, wait till
you guys, when you guys reach this point

749
00:35:30,825 --> 00:35:35,205
or this, this 10 year mark or 70 year
mark and you have kids or whatever.

750
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:38,130
This is my, how you be
feeling at that time.

751
00:35:38,130 --> 00:35:39,950
We were like, what, what
are you talking about?

752
00:35:39,950 --> 00:35:41,620
We're always going to be this way.

753
00:35:41,620 --> 00:35:45,690
We're always going to have feeling
that we feel like right now.

754
00:35:45,950 --> 00:35:49,710
What do you, but then I'm 11 years in
now and I'm like, man, yeah, there's

755
00:35:49,780 --> 00:35:52,810
obviously challenges, uh, uh, with it all.

756
00:35:52,820 --> 00:35:53,630
That's complexity.

757
00:35:53,630 --> 00:35:57,270
Whenever you bring anything
into your marriage, um, it,

758
00:35:57,270 --> 00:35:58,880
there's this level of complexity.

759
00:35:58,980 --> 00:36:01,000
And, uh, I talk about my team even.

760
00:36:01,335 --> 00:36:04,105
And there's so much with like
relationships with your business too.

761
00:36:04,615 --> 00:36:07,905
I just talked to my business cause we're
starting to hire one or two more people.

762
00:36:08,235 --> 00:36:11,585
And I talked to them about, it's like
bringing a child into your family.

763
00:36:12,275 --> 00:36:16,725
There's this level of complexity
that you don't even know.

764
00:36:16,725 --> 00:36:18,415
Like the, and there's a
lot of different layers.

765
00:36:18,415 --> 00:36:22,645
It's not just like, Oh, bringing
this child in, there's just, you

766
00:36:22,645 --> 00:36:25,155
know, your relationship with your
marriage, with your wife can change.

767
00:36:25,205 --> 00:36:28,865
Uh, now you, you're, you have no
sleep and same thing with businesses,

768
00:36:28,895 --> 00:36:31,915
the level, so businesses change too.

769
00:36:31,955 --> 00:36:35,900
Um, Just just with whatever
season you're in right?

770
00:36:35,930 --> 00:36:39,330
Um, it doesn't get here's what I always
tell people it doesn't get easier

771
00:36:40,510 --> 00:36:46,760
It just gets different It's never
easier my business today is not easier

772
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:48,000
than even when I first got started.

773
00:36:48,010 --> 00:36:52,760
It's just different now I'm just I'm
managing people right and then I got

774
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:55,940
their lives and their and their tables
need to be their families be fed

775
00:36:55,940 --> 00:36:58,215
and It's just, it's just different.

776
00:36:58,225 --> 00:37:01,175
So a lot of people don't know this.

777
00:37:01,175 --> 00:37:07,005
I used to, uh, hire do a lot of
hiring for my team and my division.

778
00:37:07,735 --> 00:37:13,085
And one of the things that I
was always looking for, right.

779
00:37:13,085 --> 00:37:14,815
In the interview, in the paperwork.

780
00:37:16,285 --> 00:37:18,695
I was confident I could teach
you how to do the job because

781
00:37:18,695 --> 00:37:19,755
I was also lead trainer.

782
00:37:20,025 --> 00:37:22,275
So that's part of why it was
part of the hiring process.

783
00:37:22,425 --> 00:37:27,735
Um, I was confident if you were relatively
intelligent, like reasonably intelligent,

784
00:37:27,735 --> 00:37:28,965
I could teach you how to do the job.

785
00:37:29,785 --> 00:37:33,745
I didn't care if you had the experience,
but we had, so we had a six man

786
00:37:33,745 --> 00:37:35,345
team, seven man teams on each site.

787
00:37:35,445 --> 00:37:42,425
And it was all about, is this person
going to meld with our Because it

788
00:37:42,425 --> 00:37:48,385
was such a small, intimate team
that worked 24 hour rotation, right?

789
00:37:48,385 --> 00:37:52,235
We had basically, we split the
week in half a side and B side,

790
00:37:52,245 --> 00:37:56,915
and we had three people who worked
each side and then one lead.

791
00:37:57,325 --> 00:37:57,485
Yeah.

792
00:37:57,485 --> 00:38:02,675
And so the ability it's like, okay,
do you have enough care that you're

793
00:38:02,675 --> 00:38:05,895
not going to call in needlessly
because you understand that that's

794
00:38:05,895 --> 00:38:08,715
going to put these two people into.

795
00:38:09,075 --> 00:38:10,575
A really nasty shift.

796
00:38:11,355 --> 00:38:17,495
You, you know, do you meld with
our team because when there's only

797
00:38:17,495 --> 00:38:21,855
six or seven of you, like we have
to be able to function together.

798
00:38:22,675 --> 00:38:25,145
Yeah, no, I, I totally agree.

799
00:38:25,145 --> 00:38:27,585
And our team's a pretty, pretty small too.

800
00:38:27,635 --> 00:38:31,245
And, uh, and we've had people that don't
meld and it's just one of those things

801
00:38:31,255 --> 00:38:37,915
that, uh, know, one, one rotten can poison
the bunch and, uh, nothing against them.

802
00:38:37,915 --> 00:38:41,255
And I think a lot of it is, I think
in my own experiences, are they all

803
00:38:41,255 --> 00:38:43,215
about the individual or about the team?

804
00:38:43,285 --> 00:38:45,715
Because in that small team, I
mean, you have to put the mission

805
00:38:45,715 --> 00:38:48,225
and you got to put the team first
and that's hard to do, right?

806
00:38:48,225 --> 00:38:49,425
Cause we all care about us.

807
00:38:49,425 --> 00:38:51,215
We all want to make our thing, our money.

808
00:38:51,215 --> 00:38:55,565
And, but when I've seen people
come in really with that individual

809
00:38:55,565 --> 00:38:59,325
and their, and their language is,
is around their individual, well.

810
00:38:59,810 --> 00:39:01,020
I'm going to look at my numbers.

811
00:39:01,020 --> 00:39:03,370
I need to make sure I make what I make.

812
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:06,810
And, and it just, it just
kind of comes through.

813
00:39:06,860 --> 00:39:08,960
Um, so yes, I totally agree.

814
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:10,830
Uh, just the culture is huge cultures.

815
00:39:10,900 --> 00:39:14,480
Uh, you know, our, our culture is I try
to build that family type of culture.

816
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:19,860
And, uh, one, one, uh, and
it's just like children, right?

817
00:39:19,860 --> 00:39:20,800
It goes back to that children.

818
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:27,720
Like one, one child can disrupt
the environment really quickly.

819
00:39:28,060 --> 00:39:28,400
Right.

820
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:33,150
So yeah, he can change the whole game.

821
00:39:33,980 --> 00:39:39,590
It's obvious that you've got incredible
business sense and that you understand

822
00:39:39,590 --> 00:39:43,350
this world of business and you like to
build business and be successful in that.

823
00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:47,110
And then one day you decided,
Hey, I'm going to write a

824
00:39:47,270 --> 00:39:50,020
book, not a business book.

825
00:39:50,650 --> 00:39:53,550
Now, guys, as always, I read the book.

826
00:39:54,020 --> 00:39:55,180
I have my copy here with me.

827
00:39:55,180 --> 00:39:57,080
If you're watching the video, if
you're not, I'm holding it up.

828
00:39:57,680 --> 00:40:01,470
Um, just one day it was put on your heart.

829
00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:04,550
I'm going to write this book that
has nothing to do with business

830
00:40:04,550 --> 00:40:10,430
that has nothing called the secret
war within what brought this on.

831
00:40:12,370 --> 00:40:16,820
Um, yeah, I mean, this,
that this has nothing to do.

832
00:40:17,150 --> 00:40:20,440
With business, but then it has
everything to do with a businessman.

833
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,380
And, uh, so the book is about
Nolan Banks and he is a, he's an

834
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:25,890
entrepreneur, real estate guy.

835
00:40:25,900 --> 00:40:29,170
So a lot of it relates to my story,
but really it's about his heart.

836
00:40:29,190 --> 00:40:32,820
It's about a man's heart and the
secret war within really is about

837
00:40:32,820 --> 00:40:34,540
the secret within a man's heart.

838
00:40:36,010 --> 00:40:38,920
So you get to pull the curtain
back on this man's life.

839
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:41,790
And even some of the things that I've
talked about here today, you get to see

840
00:40:41,790 --> 00:40:46,730
some of the struggles that he's struggling
with some of the, um, the emptiness, the,

841
00:40:46,740 --> 00:40:51,150
the meaninglessness, uh, that he's chased
after all of these things, these worldly

842
00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:53,150
things, and he's achieved so much of it.

843
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:54,380
She's achieved the success.

844
00:40:54,380 --> 00:40:56,500
He's achieved the platform.

845
00:40:56,510 --> 00:40:59,200
He's has this beautiful
home, this beautiful car,

846
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:00,530
this beautiful family, even.

847
00:41:01,060 --> 00:41:05,420
Um, but he finds himself just kind
of wandering through life and you

848
00:41:05,420 --> 00:41:09,570
get to see, uh, you know, what
he's thinking about, which you

849
00:41:09,570 --> 00:41:11,000
don't get to see that in real life.

850
00:41:11,050 --> 00:41:14,830
Um, so I think that's the really
thing that men has have really

851
00:41:14,830 --> 00:41:18,400
resonated with this book is he get
to see his thoughts, you get to

852
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:20,820
see his heart and his struggles.

853
00:41:21,150 --> 00:41:21,740
And yeah.

854
00:41:22,025 --> 00:41:27,235
He is just going through a lot,
um, whether it's his sins, uh,

855
00:41:27,255 --> 00:41:30,295
and, and his battles with, with
chasing after all these things.

856
00:41:30,295 --> 00:41:34,225
And why am I, have I reached this
pinnacle and I don't feel fulfilled?

857
00:41:34,285 --> 00:41:37,195
Why do I feel this void in my life?

858
00:41:37,265 --> 00:41:38,885
Um, and so.

859
00:41:39,480 --> 00:41:43,420
I think, obviously, I wanted to
write a story about some of my own

860
00:41:43,420 --> 00:41:47,300
experiences, and I could have went
the non fiction way, just like every,

861
00:41:47,540 --> 00:41:48,700
you know, a lot of people have done.

862
00:41:48,700 --> 00:41:52,720
I could have written my stories, and, uh,
I could have written the business book,

863
00:41:52,720 --> 00:41:55,300
The Seven Ways, to fill in the blank.

864
00:41:55,370 --> 00:41:56,890
Uh, could have did that.

865
00:41:57,040 --> 00:42:00,770
That's been done a hundred different
times, and, or thousands of times, right?

866
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:06,450
Um, and so, uh, I've loved to, to read
certain types of books like allegories

867
00:42:06,460 --> 00:42:07,730
that kind of play out like a movie.

868
00:42:08,010 --> 00:42:13,300
So instead of writing about my story, you
get to actually see Nolan's story, which

869
00:42:13,460 --> 00:42:15,370
some of it's my story, some of it's not.

870
00:42:15,850 --> 00:42:20,660
Uh, but I got to play with that and you
get to really see him actually struggling.

871
00:42:20,680 --> 00:42:22,870
I could have said, Oh, maybe
I've struggled with this.

872
00:42:23,310 --> 00:42:27,810
This is some of the areas, but
to see it, it's just different.

873
00:42:27,860 --> 00:42:29,430
It just pulls guys in.

874
00:42:29,700 --> 00:42:32,880
It puts themselves into
the, into his shoes.

875
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:38,645
Uh, So, I, and I think, you know, just
the creativity behind it, this is a

876
00:42:38,655 --> 00:42:41,855
much, this is a much creative play.

877
00:42:42,535 --> 00:42:43,975
So I got to have a lot of fun with that.

878
00:42:43,975 --> 00:42:47,755
I really got to go deep into my
creativity rather than just writing

879
00:42:48,095 --> 00:42:51,805
that nonfiction book and here's
the bullet point and here's, here's

880
00:42:51,805 --> 00:42:53,585
the, the Bible verses or whatever.

881
00:42:53,595 --> 00:42:57,175
So, uh, anyways, that's just
where we landed and, uh, I think

882
00:42:57,175 --> 00:42:58,655
it, I think it's a hit home run.

883
00:42:58,655 --> 00:43:00,215
So I hope so.

884
00:43:00,545 --> 00:43:04,415
I, I, I will be the first to
say I enjoyed reading the book.

885
00:43:05,070 --> 00:43:09,080
Uh, the artwork on it is beautiful,
by the way, the cover design.

886
00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:09,820
Thank you.

887
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:10,660
Kudos on that.

888
00:43:11,230 --> 00:43:12,100
I appreciate it.

889
00:43:13,230 --> 00:43:19,070
Cover design in art is a whole nother,
like that's a whole gift right there.

890
00:43:19,100 --> 00:43:19,540
It is.

891
00:43:19,540 --> 00:43:19,920
Yeah.

892
00:43:20,370 --> 00:43:22,730
Did you do the design or did you
get some help on that one or?

893
00:43:23,605 --> 00:43:24,555
I actually did.

894
00:43:24,625 --> 00:43:25,985
I actually did that.

895
00:43:26,005 --> 00:43:26,605
And it's funny.

896
00:43:26,605 --> 00:43:28,405
So I hired a, I hired a writing coach.

897
00:43:28,405 --> 00:43:30,475
So to take you back to the
beginning, I was going to write

898
00:43:30,475 --> 00:43:32,605
this book and I didn't know I was
going to write a fictional book.

899
00:43:32,605 --> 00:43:34,995
Honestly, I didn't know I was
going to write an allegory.

900
00:43:35,325 --> 00:43:39,205
I knew I wanted to do
something with, with writing.

901
00:43:40,065 --> 00:43:41,465
I'm not a great writer.

902
00:43:41,675 --> 00:43:42,775
So I hired a coach.

903
00:43:42,775 --> 00:43:43,595
Again, you want to.

904
00:43:43,965 --> 00:43:44,835
Shorten the curve.

905
00:43:44,835 --> 00:43:46,315
I know no idea how to do this.

906
00:43:46,475 --> 00:43:49,275
So I brought a coach in to help me write.

907
00:43:49,295 --> 00:43:52,455
It wasn't a ghost ride or anything
like that, but just help me, keep me

908
00:43:52,455 --> 00:43:54,615
accountable, what, how do I do this?

909
00:43:54,765 --> 00:43:56,125
What's the process look like?

910
00:43:56,135 --> 00:43:57,175
I just want to learn all that.

911
00:43:57,695 --> 00:43:59,595
Uh, so that's how I started.

912
00:43:59,595 --> 00:44:01,205
And then all the elements of it.

913
00:44:01,205 --> 00:44:01,545
Yeah.

914
00:44:01,545 --> 00:44:03,415
I mean, there's so many
different elements of the book.

915
00:44:03,425 --> 00:44:08,755
There's the cover art, there's the author
bio, there's the forward, there's the

916
00:44:08,755 --> 00:44:13,695
introduction, there's, um, The different
style, the chapters of the book, there's

917
00:44:13,695 --> 00:44:16,345
the editing of the book, the publishing
of the book, the marketing of the book.

918
00:44:16,345 --> 00:44:20,265
There's so many different things
that you can do, uh, with this book.

919
00:44:20,275 --> 00:44:25,975
Um, but, uh, it's funny, they, they
helped design, uh, a cover art,

920
00:44:26,035 --> 00:44:27,455
and I was like, that's just not it.

921
00:44:27,455 --> 00:44:31,910
And you, you know, when you hire someone
to do something, They send it to you

922
00:44:32,350 --> 00:44:33,450
and you have something in your mind.

923
00:44:33,450 --> 00:44:34,390
You're like, that's not it.

924
00:44:34,420 --> 00:44:41,010
That's not gonna work So then I spent yeah
a good five days a week of just thinking.

925
00:44:41,010 --> 00:44:41,200
Okay.

926
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:42,590
What do y'all want this to look like?

927
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:49,230
I want it to be Masculine I wanted to
to have a motion behind it a feeling

928
00:44:49,230 --> 00:44:54,875
behind it and Part of the book wolves
are part of this particular book.

929
00:44:54,895 --> 00:45:00,405
And really it's the metaphor of there
are wolves in the world that are, that

930
00:45:00,405 --> 00:45:03,085
are chasing you, wanting to destroy you.

931
00:45:03,115 --> 00:45:05,125
Um, so that's part of the books.

932
00:45:05,125 --> 00:45:08,785
That's where the kind of the cover,
the, the, the Paul print kind of came

933
00:45:08,785 --> 00:45:10,385
in and then just the messiness of it.

934
00:45:10,385 --> 00:45:14,385
The book is a really, you can just
see the raw messiness of his life.

935
00:45:14,385 --> 00:45:18,815
So I want it to be this gritty,
masculine messiness that.

936
00:45:19,380 --> 00:45:21,360
Yeah, just kind of, uh,
that's where we landed.

937
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:25,200
So now if you're watching the video
version of this, you can see the

938
00:45:25,570 --> 00:45:27,910
image of the cover art on the screen.

939
00:45:28,180 --> 00:45:31,430
If not, you know, I will have links of
course, for Brett's book down in the show

940
00:45:31,430 --> 00:45:33,150
notes, guys, be sure and check that out.

941
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:39,780
Now, Brett, you wrapped him
out with him getting involved.

942
00:45:39,780 --> 00:45:45,250
I, I hate to give away the end with
him getting involved with a group, um,

943
00:45:45,770 --> 00:45:50,930
which I thought was very, an interesting
play based on your other passions.

944
00:45:51,500 --> 00:45:59,690
And this, so why are you such an advocate
for men getting involved in groups of men?

945
00:46:01,380 --> 00:46:06,940
Yeah, I just think, uh,
I just think it's huge.

946
00:46:06,940 --> 00:46:11,690
I mean, I think we're seeing it
more now than we have in the past.

947
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:15,230
Obviously you have your, this
podcast or the other podcast for

948
00:46:15,230 --> 00:46:17,480
men out there, fitness groups.

949
00:46:17,875 --> 00:46:19,725
are starting to become popular.

950
00:46:19,955 --> 00:46:22,745
The CrossFit community, we've
seen what's happened with that.

951
00:46:22,755 --> 00:46:25,715
There's another faith based,
I think it's called F3.

952
00:46:26,065 --> 00:46:27,785
It's a Christian fitness type of group.

953
00:46:27,815 --> 00:46:31,605
Uh, men are just starting to see
getting together with other men,

954
00:46:31,885 --> 00:46:34,075
like minded men, doing an activity.

955
00:46:34,420 --> 00:46:41,660
Uh, it's, it's just really, really
important, um, and again, I know for my

956
00:46:41,660 --> 00:46:43,600
own life, it's been extremely important.

957
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:47,550
I've been in, uh, with a lot of groups,
uh, whether it's real estate mastermind

958
00:46:47,550 --> 00:46:53,820
groups, small groups at church, fitness
types of groups, and those are all great.

959
00:46:53,850 --> 00:46:57,190
And we all do an activity and we're,
you know, I was a basketball player,

960
00:46:57,190 --> 00:47:01,930
so that was a whole men's group that we
tried to accomplish something, business,

961
00:47:01,950 --> 00:47:05,060
um, and I've just, I've learned a lot.

962
00:47:05,070 --> 00:47:09,605
It's, uh, But I also think it's,
it's, it's important for men to get

963
00:47:09,605 --> 00:47:11,305
together and do activities together.

964
00:47:11,315 --> 00:47:14,365
But then how do you build
really deep relationships?

965
00:47:14,615 --> 00:47:16,325
What does that look like for men?

966
00:47:17,075 --> 00:47:20,575
And that's where really
Iron Deep was, was born.

967
00:47:20,615 --> 00:47:24,245
So I want to, I want to
know and I want to be known.

968
00:47:26,405 --> 00:47:29,115
A lot of Iron Deep in this
book is just about identity.

969
00:47:30,135 --> 00:47:35,545
And there's so many layers with the
masculine identity that you don't

970
00:47:35,545 --> 00:47:37,910
even know What exactly is going on?

971
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:39,140
You don't even know what you're hiding.

972
00:47:39,140 --> 00:47:40,170
You don't even know.

973
00:47:40,580 --> 00:47:45,500
Cause a lot of us are just trying to numb,
numb our lives out with whatever it is.

974
00:47:45,500 --> 00:47:46,700
We're trying to consume.

975
00:47:47,355 --> 00:47:51,525
Netflix or drink or women or work.

976
00:47:52,115 --> 00:47:54,225
And we just try to numb ourselves out.

977
00:47:54,225 --> 00:47:57,515
We don't want to know, honestly, we
don't want to be honest with ourselves.

978
00:47:57,735 --> 00:47:59,425
And we definitely don't
want other people to know.

979
00:48:00,305 --> 00:48:04,565
Um, so really the whole iron
deep, you know, one of our main

980
00:48:04,565 --> 00:48:06,795
core values is radical honesty.

981
00:48:07,485 --> 00:48:12,375
Let's just come, let's just lay the cards
out and let's just, let's just be known.

982
00:48:12,695 --> 00:48:16,775
Let's just be known because we're in
a group that is going to encourage

983
00:48:16,775 --> 00:48:18,515
you and love you no matter what.

984
00:48:19,945 --> 00:48:24,035
And I think that's what we're all afraid
of, uh, because I think we don't want

985
00:48:24,035 --> 00:48:28,615
people to know because if they know, we're
afraid that they won't accept us, they

986
00:48:28,615 --> 00:48:34,145
won't love us, and that's, that's the
group that I would love to be a part of.

987
00:48:34,595 --> 00:48:38,645
And it was hard for me to see it, it
was hard for me to find it myself, so

988
00:48:38,645 --> 00:48:40,885
I was like, well, let's just create it.

989
00:48:41,540 --> 00:48:44,650
So, and I'm sure there's some, there's
some other amazing groups out there.

990
00:48:45,140 --> 00:48:49,070
Um, this is just one that, uh,
I felt God calling me to do.

991
00:48:49,100 --> 00:48:53,160
So super important, sharpen each
other, but then, but then building

992
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:55,250
that deep relationship, because
I think that's a huge difference.

993
00:48:55,260 --> 00:48:56,910
Like there's groups that
can sharpen each other.

994
00:48:56,930 --> 00:48:59,630
I can join a fitness group
and sharpen me on my fitness.

995
00:48:59,630 --> 00:49:01,960
I can join a business group
and sharpen me on the fitness.

996
00:49:02,660 --> 00:49:05,000
But I think, again, I walk
away with no relationships.

997
00:49:07,010 --> 00:49:08,420
And I don't know, I just
want something different.

998
00:49:10,180 --> 00:49:16,820
So you built iron D why, why do men need
that deep relationship with other men?

999
00:49:17,150 --> 00:49:17,300
Mm-Hmm.

1000
00:49:20,150 --> 00:49:25,500
. I think at the end of the day, it's
just, it's very, um, encouraging

1001
00:49:25,505 --> 00:49:27,750
to have men in your corner.

1002
00:49:28,940 --> 00:49:29,901
And if you've been.

1003
00:49:31,290 --> 00:49:34,070
in the military.

1004
00:49:34,070 --> 00:49:39,660
I've never have, but maybe if you've been
in the military or you've had that in

1005
00:49:39,660 --> 00:49:46,520
your life where you have had men in your
corner, it's just, it's just different.

1006
00:49:46,750 --> 00:49:52,310
Um, men that really, uh, that really
care about you, uh, with, with your

1007
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:55,890
challenges, with your struggles that
you can, you can kind of be honest.

1008
00:49:56,810 --> 00:50:00,030
Men that have maybe can encourage
you to sharpen you, to give you some

1009
00:50:00,030 --> 00:50:03,930
feedback, to give you some wisdom,
but then also just can pray for you.

1010
00:50:03,930 --> 00:50:04,960
It can love you through it.

1011
00:50:04,990 --> 00:50:10,150
Um, I think it's just,
I know that I want it.

1012
00:50:10,200 --> 00:50:11,270
I know that I need it.

1013
00:50:12,710 --> 00:50:16,290
And, and I'm sure other,
other men, uh, need it too.

1014
00:50:16,290 --> 00:50:17,330
It's just that tribe.

1015
00:50:17,360 --> 00:50:21,540
And I think if you've had it
before and now you don't, it's

1016
00:50:21,540 --> 00:50:23,370
something that you truly miss.

1017
00:50:23,990 --> 00:50:27,780
And I think, you know, there's been
seasons where I've had it and I have

1018
00:50:27,780 --> 00:50:33,635
it some now, but I just, Just that
constant reminder of men in your

1019
00:50:33,635 --> 00:50:35,855
corner helping you, encouraging you.

1020
00:50:35,935 --> 00:50:38,355
Can you call someone when you're
going through something or

1021
00:50:38,355 --> 00:50:39,795
when you want to be celebrated?

1022
00:50:40,215 --> 00:50:43,325
And one of the things, another value
of ours is to celebrate each other.

1023
00:50:43,735 --> 00:50:46,555
A lot of times, even as entrepreneurs,
we don't ever get celebrated.

1024
00:50:47,305 --> 00:50:48,005
Ever get celebrated.

1025
00:50:48,005 --> 00:50:49,174
We don't even celebrate ourselves.

1026
00:50:49,485 --> 00:50:51,505
We're like, Oh, I made the goal, whatever.

1027
00:50:51,505 --> 00:50:53,715
I'll make a new one
and let's just move on.

1028
00:50:54,445 --> 00:50:57,395
But for men to celebrate you, like
if I could truly celebrate your

1029
00:50:57,395 --> 00:50:58,945
success, I mean, that'd be awesome.

1030
00:50:58,945 --> 00:51:01,065
You mentioned your friend
about his podcast success.

1031
00:51:01,075 --> 00:51:04,135
Like if we could truly have the heart
of humility and to celebrate him, even

1032
00:51:04,135 --> 00:51:08,625
if we aren't successful, even if we
aren't doing as good as him, that would

1033
00:51:08,635 --> 00:51:09,985
be a, that would be an amazing group.

1034
00:51:11,105 --> 00:51:15,425
We're all flawed, but, but that's,
that's the group that I would

1035
00:51:15,425 --> 00:51:18,085
love to see is to be honest.

1036
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:22,590
To be known, encouraged, sharpened, but
then to celebrate each other, to be in

1037
00:51:22,590 --> 00:51:24,960
each other's corner, no matter what.

1038
00:51:25,970 --> 00:51:26,310
I don't know.

1039
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:27,820
That's the group that
I love to be part of.

1040
00:51:27,850 --> 00:51:31,990
And I think it's hard to
find out there, honestly.

1041
00:51:32,510 --> 00:51:36,380
Um, and if you found
it, go, that's awesome.

1042
00:51:36,390 --> 00:51:38,070
Let's keep, keep going with it.

1043
00:51:38,250 --> 00:51:38,960
Don't leave it.

1044
00:51:39,340 --> 00:51:40,430
I would just, I would just say.

1045
00:51:42,790 --> 00:51:43,100
Right.

1046
00:51:43,180 --> 00:51:45,900
For guys trying to level up, right.

1047
00:51:45,930 --> 00:51:51,170
To pull it all together, who want
the business, who want the family,

1048
00:51:51,240 --> 00:51:55,155
who Move forward in their lives.

1049
00:51:55,385 --> 00:51:59,145
What are the first three
steps they can take right now?

1050
00:51:59,715 --> 00:52:04,305
Stepping out of this show to start
putting that all together effectively.

1051
00:52:06,175 --> 00:52:08,965
That's a tough, that's
a tough, deep question.

1052
00:52:08,965 --> 00:52:10,735
I would just start with, um,

1053
00:52:13,745 --> 00:52:17,955
I would just start with again, trying
to get radically, trying to get

1054
00:52:17,965 --> 00:52:21,015
radically honest with yourself and
maybe that's brain dumping, maybe

1055
00:52:21,015 --> 00:52:25,625
that's writing down everything that.

1056
00:52:26,265 --> 00:52:31,425
You're doing or you're prioritizing,
like writing down your life and your

1057
00:52:31,425 --> 00:52:35,945
calendar and your activities, and then
maybe writing down where you want to be.

1058
00:52:35,995 --> 00:52:40,645
Like, what, what would it look like for
you, for your life, your priorities to

1059
00:52:40,645 --> 00:52:45,505
really line up to what is truly matter to
truly is meaningful and matters to you.

1060
00:52:45,745 --> 00:52:47,875
Maybe start there and just looking at it.

1061
00:52:48,465 --> 00:52:51,395
Um, one of the two things that I would
recommend as priorities is maybe print

1062
00:52:51,395 --> 00:52:54,975
out your calendar, look at your time
and then print out your bank statements

1063
00:52:55,255 --> 00:52:56,505
and look at your bank statements.

1064
00:52:56,985 --> 00:52:59,105
Sometimes we don't want to look
at it because we don't want

1065
00:52:59,105 --> 00:53:01,175
to know at the end of the day.

1066
00:53:01,555 --> 00:53:03,465
Like it's hard for me to even
look at both of those things.

1067
00:53:03,465 --> 00:53:06,065
She was like, Oh, cause cause
these two things, this is what

1068
00:53:06,065 --> 00:53:07,345
I'm prioritizing in my life.

1069
00:53:08,205 --> 00:53:09,035
And then just start there.

1070
00:53:09,850 --> 00:53:13,830
And then does it really match,
does it really match what you want?

1071
00:53:14,620 --> 00:53:20,810
Let me start there, um, huge
proponent of sitting at the feet of

1072
00:53:20,810 --> 00:53:23,250
someone who has walked before you.

1073
00:53:23,940 --> 00:53:28,820
So once you know what you
want, find someone that, that

1074
00:53:28,820 --> 00:53:29,730
could help you get there.

1075
00:53:29,950 --> 00:53:33,540
Maybe it's not that 22 year old kid
financial advisor, but maybe it's someone

1076
00:53:34,170 --> 00:53:37,880
who has owned the business and you
look at his family and you're like, Oh,

1077
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,470
that's, you know, he has led a family.

1078
00:53:40,955 --> 00:53:44,245
Well, sitting at his feet,
talking to him about it.

1079
00:53:44,425 --> 00:53:45,865
Most guys want to give back, man.

1080
00:53:45,865 --> 00:53:49,055
They would like, if someone says,
man, like I want to do what you

1081
00:53:49,055 --> 00:53:51,985
do and can I sit at your feet?

1082
00:53:52,265 --> 00:53:52,735
I don't know.

1083
00:53:52,765 --> 00:53:55,135
I don't know what that looks like, but
maybe it doesn't have to be a paid coach,

1084
00:53:55,165 --> 00:53:58,995
but coaching, sitting at someone's feet,
who's walked through it before you,

1085
00:53:59,385 --> 00:54:01,615
uh, don't try to reinvent the wheel.

1086
00:54:02,425 --> 00:54:06,005
Um, and then the last thing is, yeah,
just getting around that group, getting

1087
00:54:06,005 --> 00:54:07,545
around that group of like minded men.

1088
00:54:09,095 --> 00:54:10,035
sharpen each other.

1089
00:54:10,045 --> 00:54:13,635
It doesn't have to be iron deep,
doesn't have to be the fallible man.

1090
00:54:13,935 --> 00:54:15,655
It doesn't have to be anything.

1091
00:54:16,205 --> 00:54:20,335
It could be you calling up
for you guys and building that

1092
00:54:20,345 --> 00:54:21,835
structure, building that rhythm.

1093
00:54:21,845 --> 00:54:28,475
I think for me, like, I think guys,
we, it's funny with like relationships

1094
00:54:29,345 --> 00:54:31,045
because we'll call up a friend.

1095
00:54:31,095 --> 00:54:32,975
We haven't talked to him in
like four months and we'll

1096
00:54:33,065 --> 00:54:34,425
be like, why don't we talk?

1097
00:54:34,905 --> 00:54:36,055
Why don't we hang out?

1098
00:54:36,530 --> 00:54:37,380
What's going on?

1099
00:54:38,090 --> 00:54:40,910
And we try to organically do it.

1100
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:44,270
But I think for me, I need the rhythm.

1101
00:54:45,210 --> 00:54:48,080
I need the structure of a setup.

1102
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,910
We're like, I don't have to ask,
Hey, do you want to hang out?

1103
00:54:51,850 --> 00:54:53,790
Let's just set it the rhythm.

1104
00:54:54,770 --> 00:54:58,564
So getting in a group and setting the
rhythm, we're going to get together.

1105
00:54:59,685 --> 00:55:02,835
I don't know what it is once, once
every couple of weeks and then

1106
00:55:02,845 --> 00:55:04,215
having a structure with it too.

1107
00:55:04,215 --> 00:55:05,485
I think structure is important.

1108
00:55:05,525 --> 00:55:07,465
Organic is good of just hanging out.

1109
00:55:07,465 --> 00:55:08,195
You need that.

1110
00:55:08,195 --> 00:55:09,215
You need, need that.

1111
00:55:09,375 --> 00:55:13,995
Uh, but so like I was saying, having,
having a structure, a goal, a mission

1112
00:55:14,285 --> 00:55:15,805
with the group, I think it's important.

1113
00:55:16,185 --> 00:55:17,744
So radically honest with yourself.

1114
00:55:18,195 --> 00:55:20,755
Getting a mentor coaching at
their feet, getting a group,

1115
00:55:21,275 --> 00:55:23,255
uh, to have a mission together.

1116
00:55:25,455 --> 00:55:27,075
What's next for Brett Snodgrass?

1117
00:55:28,075 --> 00:55:33,385
Um, I mean, right now I've have
been thrown back into the trenches

1118
00:55:33,415 --> 00:55:34,425
of the real estate business.

1119
00:55:34,455 --> 00:55:37,405
I was, I was in the owner's
box for about three years.

1120
00:55:37,405 --> 00:55:40,175
Last year, real estate is going
through kind of a funky time.

1121
00:55:40,175 --> 00:55:43,615
So now I'm back into
what does this look like?

1122
00:55:43,615 --> 00:55:44,315
How do I.

1123
00:55:45,255 --> 00:55:49,865
Strategically place this to help do
some of these other passions in my life.

1124
00:55:49,865 --> 00:55:51,895
I mean, I'm a relational,
I'm a relational guy.

1125
00:55:51,895 --> 00:55:53,195
You talked about personality tests.

1126
00:55:53,195 --> 00:55:55,215
I'm a high eye on the disc, this score.

1127
00:55:55,755 --> 00:55:58,035
I want the brotherhood,
these relationships.

1128
00:55:58,085 --> 00:55:58,925
I want to leave my family.

1129
00:55:58,925 --> 00:56:04,475
Well, um, but right now, yeah, it's, I'm
going to run this real estate business.

1130
00:56:04,705 --> 00:56:08,875
I'm going to try to build a
team again to rebuild that.

1131
00:56:09,490 --> 00:56:11,400
But the passion is Iron Deep.

1132
00:56:11,510 --> 00:56:14,100
Um, Iron Deep of men.

1133
00:56:14,100 --> 00:56:16,400
We're trying to do things in Iron Deep.

1134
00:56:16,400 --> 00:56:19,130
I have events that we're going to
be putting on our website, IronDeep.

1135
00:56:19,130 --> 00:56:19,480
com.

1136
00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:24,230
We're doing a husband and wife
event for some of the members.

1137
00:56:24,270 --> 00:56:26,140
It's like, man, I'd love to
bring my wife to something.

1138
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:27,970
So we're going to do that.

1139
00:56:28,890 --> 00:56:31,390
Men don't want to be taken away
from their kids all the time.

1140
00:56:32,030 --> 00:56:35,170
So we're trying to integrate
children into this.

1141
00:56:35,190 --> 00:56:39,920
We're doing a missions trip to Guatemala
as a family trip for some of these guys.

1142
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:44,940
So again, one of the things is these
groups continuously take men away.

1143
00:56:45,500 --> 00:56:47,360
So we're trying to, you know,
we're sharpening each other

1144
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:48,394
with these small groups.

1145
00:56:48,925 --> 00:56:51,545
We're also doing things that
bring the families closer

1146
00:56:51,545 --> 00:56:53,385
together so they can see it too.

1147
00:56:53,385 --> 00:56:55,815
They can experience too, because a
lot of times men, they go on these

1148
00:56:55,815 --> 00:56:58,585
retreats, they get hyped up, they get
jacked up, they get inspired, they

1149
00:56:58,585 --> 00:57:02,585
come home, their family's still the
same, and then they lose some of that.

1150
00:57:02,585 --> 00:57:05,905
But what if their family can
start to see, see that too?

1151
00:57:05,905 --> 00:57:07,555
So that's some of the things
that we're doing to Iron Deep

1152
00:57:07,575 --> 00:57:09,115
and I'm super excited about it.

1153
00:57:09,615 --> 00:57:10,055
I love it.

1154
00:57:10,435 --> 00:57:14,565
Are we going to see a sequel
to The Lion, Secret War Within?

1155
00:57:15,275 --> 00:57:16,875
Um, I don't know yet, man.

1156
00:57:16,915 --> 00:57:19,105
I mean, this is my first
rodeo with the book.

1157
00:57:19,165 --> 00:57:19,685
Uh.

1158
00:57:20,290 --> 00:57:24,270
It is one of, if not the most
challenging thing that I've

1159
00:57:24,270 --> 00:57:27,000
done, um, from a creative space.

1160
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:29,860
Uh, so I know how much energy it takes.

1161
00:57:29,870 --> 00:57:34,730
Obviously, I, I, it'll shorten, I know
the process now, um, but I know how

1162
00:57:34,730 --> 00:57:41,775
much work, energy, I mean, this is an 18
month, 20 month, um, commitment project.

1163
00:57:41,815 --> 00:57:45,445
Uh, so I, when I get there, uh, right
now I'm just enjoying what we have.

1164
00:57:45,445 --> 00:57:48,745
So I'm curious about the next chapter.

1165
00:57:48,745 --> 00:57:52,385
He's home now, where, where does
he take this whole experience?

1166
00:57:52,385 --> 00:57:52,805
Right?

1167
00:57:52,875 --> 00:57:53,605
There you go.

1168
00:57:53,705 --> 00:57:54,305
What does that translate?

1169
00:57:54,305 --> 00:57:55,085
Gives me some good ideas.

1170
00:57:57,275 --> 00:57:58,155
I'm very curious.

1171
00:57:58,375 --> 00:58:00,165
I, right.

1172
00:58:00,205 --> 00:58:04,515
He had this amazing moment,
this life altering time.

1173
00:58:06,335 --> 00:58:07,175
And it's the same.

1174
00:58:07,195 --> 00:58:10,395
I, I had a, so I told you
we do a men's conference.

1175
00:58:11,105 --> 00:58:15,595
Uh, I have one of the guys last
year stopped me on my way out.

1176
00:58:15,775 --> 00:58:16,755
I was up front.

1177
00:58:16,755 --> 00:58:20,055
I did the closing of the event was trying
to move the back to the auditorium,

1178
00:58:20,055 --> 00:58:22,425
make sure I could talk to all the
guys on their way out or whatever.

1179
00:58:22,835 --> 00:58:24,825
One of the guys stopped me as I'm
walking through the auditorium, just

1180
00:58:24,845 --> 00:58:26,534
get through his arms around me, hug me.

1181
00:58:26,535 --> 00:58:28,535
And it's like, man, you saved my life.

1182
00:58:29,150 --> 00:58:31,170
I was like, no, no, no,
you chose to be here.

1183
00:58:31,170 --> 00:58:31,990
You saved your life.

1184
00:58:32,060 --> 00:58:33,090
But here's the question.

1185
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:35,090
Tomorrow's Monday.

1186
00:58:36,750 --> 00:58:37,910
What happens tomorrow?

1187
00:58:38,090 --> 00:58:38,490
Right.

1188
00:58:38,960 --> 00:58:39,250
Yeah.

1189
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:40,550
It's just a weekend.

1190
00:58:40,550 --> 00:58:45,899
If you don't take what you took
this weekend into tomorrow, and

1191
00:58:46,060 --> 00:58:47,340
that has a really happy ending.

1192
00:58:47,340 --> 00:58:49,300
I know the rest of that
story is phenomenal.

1193
00:58:49,510 --> 00:58:49,840
Yeah.

1194
00:58:49,840 --> 00:58:50,294
But.

1195
00:58:50,575 --> 00:58:50,915
Right.

1196
00:58:50,925 --> 00:58:55,195
That's I'm curious because that's that's
where we get with stories like this.

1197
00:58:55,205 --> 00:58:58,305
Sometimes we get that yay moment, right?

1198
00:58:58,405 --> 00:59:00,295
I want to see the next chapter, right?

1199
00:59:00,295 --> 00:59:03,315
And I think that's really important
and I think that's really important

1200
00:59:03,315 --> 00:59:06,555
and we've done We've done the men's
awakening retreats to and same thing.

1201
00:59:06,565 --> 00:59:09,750
I mean you kind of Get out there and
you want to just tackle the world

1202
00:59:09,750 --> 00:59:13,340
when you get home, but then how do
we continuously do life together

1203
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:14,720
with, with sharpen each other?

1204
00:59:14,720 --> 00:59:16,440
How do you continuously be reminded?

1205
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,470
I think it's just so important
because we forget so quickly.

1206
00:59:19,470 --> 00:59:25,440
We have like amnesia, um, so quickly
when the first challenge comes up and.

1207
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:30,050
Whatever you're stuck in traffic on,
you start cussing somebody out again.

1208
00:59:30,050 --> 00:59:30,920
I don't know, whatever it is.

1209
00:59:32,615 --> 00:59:33,605
Yeah, we just forget.

1210
00:59:34,135 --> 00:59:35,385
We just forget really fast.

1211
00:59:35,385 --> 00:59:36,895
So I think it's I think it's important.

1212
00:59:36,895 --> 00:59:40,595
So the next chapter I think that's
a that's a really good feedback.

1213
00:59:40,645 --> 00:59:42,045
Um, for that.

1214
00:59:42,175 --> 00:59:43,415
What's next for his life?

1215
00:59:43,425 --> 00:59:46,135
How does he how does he live this out?

1216
00:59:47,235 --> 00:59:49,575
Yeah, like it and the struggles with that.

1217
00:59:49,725 --> 00:59:53,305
I think that will be a
very Identifiable story.

1218
00:59:53,575 --> 00:59:53,865
Yeah.

1219
00:59:54,785 --> 00:59:55,125
Right.

1220
00:59:55,205 --> 00:59:55,625
For sure.

1221
00:59:56,355 --> 00:59:56,825
I love it.

1222
00:59:57,095 --> 00:59:58,535
What's the best place
for people to find you?

1223
01:00:00,055 --> 01:00:02,835
Um, I would say if you want
to email me, reach out to me.

1224
01:00:02,835 --> 01:00:04,305
I have my assistant Amanda too.

1225
01:00:04,305 --> 01:00:06,235
And we kind of, we would
love to set up something, uh,

1226
01:00:06,255 --> 01:00:09,305
breath, B R E T T at iron deep.

1227
01:00:09,845 --> 01:00:09,875
com.

1228
01:00:09,875 --> 01:00:13,765
Um, check out our website, iron deep.

1229
01:00:14,265 --> 01:00:14,795
com.

1230
01:00:14,865 --> 01:00:18,455
Uh, this is where you can see, uh,
some of what we're doing, the events,

1231
01:00:18,485 --> 01:00:21,665
get the book on their, um, best
place to just help support the book.

1232
01:00:21,665 --> 01:00:24,445
Obviously buy the book on Amazon
and then, uh, Leave us a review.

1233
01:00:24,445 --> 01:00:25,335
We really appreciate it.

1234
01:00:25,375 --> 01:00:27,415
Hopefully you get something out of that.

1235
01:00:27,545 --> 01:00:28,995
And, uh, yeah, that's the best place.

1236
01:00:29,005 --> 01:00:29,485
So thank you.

1237
01:00:29,535 --> 01:00:30,505
Thanks for having me on the show, Brent.

1238
01:00:31,305 --> 01:00:33,545
And you guys, the book will
live forever on the library

1239
01:00:33,545 --> 01:00:34,975
shelf of my website as well.

1240
01:00:34,975 --> 01:00:35,985
It's already there.

1241
01:00:36,445 --> 01:00:39,235
Uh, available now with links to
Amazon so you can get a copy of it.

1242
01:00:39,245 --> 01:00:40,165
It is a great book.

1243
01:00:40,225 --> 01:00:41,445
I really enjoyed reading it.

1244
01:00:43,930 --> 01:00:46,100
I know you're really
losing sleep over this.

1245
01:00:46,280 --> 01:00:49,640
What inventor Lou invented the telephone?

1246
01:00:50,050 --> 01:00:51,760
You said Alexander Graham Bell.

1247
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:52,450
Yeah.

1248
01:00:52,450 --> 01:00:53,780
I told you, you would know this one.

1249
01:00:53,780 --> 01:00:58,730
Alexander Graham Bell did invent the
phone for all of you who challenged.

1250
01:00:58,740 --> 01:01:00,090
So that was the correct answer.

1251
01:01:00,090 --> 01:01:02,180
Alexander Graham Bell into the telephone.

1252
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:04,310
I like it.

1253
01:01:04,790 --> 01:01:05,030
Thank you.

1254
01:01:05,030 --> 01:01:09,590
Out of here, what, if someone heard
nothing else today, what is the most

1255
01:01:09,590 --> 01:01:10,940
important thing you want them to hear?

1256
01:01:12,580 --> 01:01:19,030
I think it's maybe just going back
to what do you need to do to get

1257
01:01:20,370 --> 01:01:21,970
radically honest with yourself?

1258
01:01:23,775 --> 01:01:24,915
And then what do you do about it?

1259
01:01:26,165 --> 01:01:27,005
That's where it starts.

1260
01:01:28,015 --> 01:01:30,055
There you go, guys.

1261
01:01:30,055 --> 01:01:33,205
For Brett and for by myself, thanks
for hanging out with us today.

1262
01:01:33,205 --> 01:01:35,905
Be better tomorrow because of what you do
today, and we'll see you on the next one.

1263
01:01:37,485 --> 01:01:39,450
This has been the Ible Man Podcast.

1264
01:01:40,545 --> 01:01:43,815
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1265
01:01:44,775 --> 01:01:47,025
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1266
01:01:47,895 --> 01:01:54,105
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1267
01:01:54,255 --> 01:01:55,305
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1268
01:01:56,880 --> 01:01:59,444
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