Unleashing Your Inner Lion: Tapping Into Masculine Power and Potential

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Everything in your life that's happened
in your life, number one, you created,

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so take ownership of everything in
your life, the good and the bad.

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You created it, and you created it for
a reason, and that reason has led you

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to where you are right now in your life.

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So take it, own it, know that it's
perfect, and use it to drive you forward.

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Make it your passion to drive
you forward in your life.

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Reach out to the people who
are ahead of you on the path.

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I always say we stand on the shoulders
of the men who have come before us.

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And at the same time, we are
reaching a hand back to the men

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who are behind us on the path.

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You have wisdom and experience.

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Own it.

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Share it.

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Guide others.

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You're perfect and you will move forward
and be the best man that you can be.

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Here's the million dollar question.

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How do men like us reach our
full potential, grow into the men

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we dream of being, while taking
care of our responsibilities?

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Working, being good husbands, fathers,
and still take care of ourselves?

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Well, that's the big question.

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In this podcast, we'll help you
answer those questions and more.

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My name is Brent, and welcome
to the Fallible Man Podcast.

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Welcome to Podcast, your home for
all things man, husband, and father.

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Big shout out to Fallible Nation, that's
our private community, there's more

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information down in the show notes.

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And a warm welcome to our
first time listeners today.

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My special guest is author,
coach, and speaker, Eric Rizal.

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Eric, welcome to the show.

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Hey, Brent.

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Thanks, man.

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It's an honor to be here, man.

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I really appreciate the invitation, Eric.

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I'm looking forward to our
conversation, but we like to start

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things out a little bit lighter side.

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So how's your trivia?

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Oh, trivia is one of my things, man.

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I love trivia.

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Awesome.

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Awesome.

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Most people get really
concerned when I say that.

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So here we go.

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Which battle did William
the Conqueror win in 1066?

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Was it the Battle of Hastings?

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The Battle of Waterloo?

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Hastings?

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You're not ignoring the finish.

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History, Bob?

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I didn't know it was going
to be multiple choice, man.

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I knew the answer right away.

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Alright, guys.

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Make your guess.

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You know the rules.

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Don't cheat.

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Don't go ahead.

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Remember what you guessed, and
we'll get back to that later.

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Now, Eric I don't do big introductions
because it's just not accurate, right?

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People don't give a crap about accolades.

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So in your own words today, right now,
in this moment, who is Eric Rogelle?

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Oh, great question, man.

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I love that.

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I'm an author.

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I am passionate about everything
related to what's going on

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with men today in our society.

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Um, and I'm committed to doing
whatever I can to help men

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move forward along the path.

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And it comes from my own
past, my own background.

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In addition to writing, I'm
also a documentary filmmaker.

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We're making films that matter and
films that leave and make an impact.

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Um, that's who I am today.

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Okay.

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If you could go back and give
your 18 year old self one piece

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of advice, what would it be?

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Another great question, man.

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I love that.

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Something that I've contemplated a
lot, especially, you know, getting

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asked questions about my past, what
led to the writings and the mission.

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And I would say I would tell my 18
year old self, Everything is perfect,

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everything you're going through,
everything you're experiencing, everything

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you're doing, who you're being, is all
leading you down this path to becoming

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who you are and who you're meant to be.

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So just stay on the path, keep
moving forward, it is all.

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I like it, I like it.

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I'm not sure everybody has
that common answer on that one.

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I can't even begin to, I gotta ask
you guys these questions in case I

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ever get asked these because I don't
even know where to start on that one.

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It's a great answer.

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It's a good, it's a good contemplation.

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I would definitely recommend it.

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Just get out on a boat one day or
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and just ask yourself that question.

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Now, Eric, we're just
wrapping up the silly season.

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Uh, it's January.

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What's your favorite holiday movie
and what does that say about you?

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Well, I'm an, I am deeply
in the camp of Die Hard.

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It is a Christmas movie.

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We can be friends.

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Yes.

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I could not.

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My brother and I both.

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I can't get through the holiday
season without seeing Die Hard.

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And it is absolutely one
of my favorite movies.

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Um, what is the line?

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It's not Christmas until I see Hans
Gruber fall off Nakatomi Tower.

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Yeah, I am definitely in that camp.

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And then if I had to go on the goofy
side, Elf, classic, great humor.

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And you know, that would be another
one that I've got to watch every year.

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Okay.

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What is a funny story that
your family likes to tell on

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you when they get a chance?

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Oh, that's a great one.

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I don't know that I know the answer.

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My mom used to tell
crazy stories about me.

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I don't know when I was a kid, brought
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She would try to embarrass
me with crazy stuff.

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I don't know off the top of my head
one that they would like to tell.

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There was one, I mean, it's
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were, we were doing road trips.

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From my group in New York, and
we had family in Miami, so we

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would do the drive every year.

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My brother and I trying to kill each
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So There were a lot of stories around
that, like, you know, us rolling

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around on the back of that thing.

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Trump pulling over at the Howard
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and getting into fights over there.

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I think my dad one time, we
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and I wanted to finish my milk.

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And he was sitting next to me and he's
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And I was drinking and he pulled
my arm away, spilled the whole milk

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down the front of me and I went nuts.

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And had to ride the rest of
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In milk down the front
of my shirt and clothes.

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That was one of my dad loved to tell
all the time So I guess there's a couple

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of them around that you drove all the
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oh my goodness people who don't travel
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is Yeah, I think it was our trip.

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I want to say it was like 1200
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He went to the university of miami
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So he made that drive a lot So for
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We're driving.

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Everybody had to get in the car
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And like I said, my brother and I in
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on end wanting to kill each other.

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You know, all of our younger listeners
are, are, can't comprehend this.

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We didn't have to used to
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even have seats necessarily.

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Exactly.

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And we had the station wagon, so
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And they would just throw a
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we would climb over the seat.

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Go hang out in the back, make faces at
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jump back and forth over the seats.

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It was, it was insanity back then.

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Oh yeah, road trips
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It was great at the same time,
man, because you learn real

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quick what to do and not to do.

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When dad slammed on the brakes and you
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how to handle yourself back there.

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We, we had a Suburban and a Station Wagon,
and on bigger trips it was the Suburban.

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You have my brother asleep in the middle
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and I'd be asleep on top of the luggage
in the back window, behind the back seat.

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It was awesome.

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Absolutely, man.

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That's the best way to ride.

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Best way to ride.

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Eric, what's a purchase of 100 or
less you made in the last year that's

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had the biggest impact on your life?

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100 or less.

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Big impact.

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Um.

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Actually, you know what?

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I think it, if, if, and this is going to
sound a little strange, but, you know,

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the book came out this year and I actually
bought some software for a hundred bucks

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to help put the book together and get
it ready for print and publication.

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And I got to tell you that
made it so much easier.

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It made getting it out a joy and
it was absolutely amazing to use.

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I know that's probably, you know, not
an exciting answer, but it was for me

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because it made things 10 times easier.

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Well, it doesn't have to
be an exciting answer.

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It has to be the answer
that's right for you.

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So you're good . Okay, good.

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Good.

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What are you most proud of?

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I'm most proud of my, my background, my,
my past, which has led me to this present.

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Think, you know, I've, I've never been one
to be afraid of change, to be afraid of

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risk, and I've taken a lot of risks in my
life and they've led me down this path.

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They've also allowed me to have multiple
careers, everything from starting as

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a chef and then running restaurants
to being a, um, creative director and

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artist and running magazines to being
a journalist, and that led me to travel

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around the world, uh, doing the craziest
stuff all over the world, and then led

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me to being a writer and an author and
then, you know, uh, telling stories both

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visually and in written form, and really,
Ending up being who I am today and so

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that that is what I'm most proud that I
never shied away from taking that risk,

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making that change, diving headfirst
into the unknown, doing something that I

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had no idea if it would work out or not.

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And so I look back on that and
I'm, I'm, I'm really proud of the

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stuff that I've done over my life.

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What's one random fact people don't know
about you, like just totally off the wall.

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Like for me, I'm, I'm, I
can't eat peas, English peas.

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Truly.

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You can't eat peas?

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They, they like give me bad gas.

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Like I bloat.

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I had no idea.

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I cut them out of my diet for a while.

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I did a really restrictive diet and
just cut out everything for a while.

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Yeah.

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And then added things
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Peas were the only vegetable
I ever liked, turns out.

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Nope.

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My body doesn't like them.

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Oh, wow.

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I think for me, something that's
really thought was strange, found

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out some other people had this
too, was when I was younger, I was

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terrified of talking on the phone.

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Just, I, I just was terrified
of talking on the phone.

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I didn't want to make phone calls.

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I didn't like answering the phone, you
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You didn't have, you know,
FaceTime or Zoom where you

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could actually see the person.

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And I always had this, like, I didn't know
who was on the other end of the phone.

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I didn't know if they were
making faces at me or, you know,

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doing all these crazy things.

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I mean, it was just this real
childhood fear of mine that

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thankfully, you know, I've gotten over.

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But when I was real young, that was it.

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I just did not like to be on the phone.

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I'm laughing because I know some of
our audience can't even fathom that.

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I still remember sitting in the
hallway phone trying to talk to

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my girlfriend on the landline.

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Party lines.

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I miss party lines.

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I think all of that may have gotten me
over the fear, but I'm talking about

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like, you know, five, six, seven years
old, just like, I don't want to do it.

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Eric, what's something everyone should
know before we dig in today's show?

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Yeah, I would say, know that the best
thing to do is keep an open mind.

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Be willing.

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And if you have what I had for the longest
time, that know it all that runs up here.

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And I heard that already.

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I've seen this before.

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I've heard that before.

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Let go of that today because we may
talk about some stuff that you think

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you may have heard before, but really
look at it with new eyes, new ears,

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get a different perspective on it.

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Go a little bit deeper, allow it in.

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And I promise it can change your life.

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Fair enough.

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Guys, we've been getting to
know Eric just a little bit and

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who he is and what he's about.

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Uh, just understanding who this
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And in the next part of the
show, we're going to dive

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into lions raised with lambs.

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Welcome back in the first part of the
show We were spending some time just

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getting to know who Eric is and what
he's really about in this part of the

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show We're gonna going to get into
his book lions race as lambs now Eric

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before we Go down to the book, tell us
a little bit about your journey, right?

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Because you work in the men's space.

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You have other projects you're working on.

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How did we get here?

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Great question.

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And you know, for me, and I mentioned
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two ways you can raise men, young men.

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One is either in a culture of fear.

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The other is in a culture of courage.

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For me, I was raised in a culture of fear.

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And, you know, I mentioned earlier, you
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I, I truly was afraid of everything.

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I was raised by a single mom.

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Um, and one thing I want to mention
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know, I talk about that a lot.

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It's in the book.

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I talk about it when I guest
on podcasts like yours.

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Mom was awesome.

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I love mom.

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I don't blame mom.

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This is not a, look what
she did to me, conversation.

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Mom raised me the best she could
with the tools she had at the time.

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But she raised me to
constantly be in fear.

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Everything was going to either
kill me, injure me, make me sick.

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Something bad was going to
happen no matter what, so I had

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to be cautious all the time.

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And I think, you know, I grew up very shy.

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I had a stutter as a kid, so I
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And I think that also, again, lends to
that story I told about being afraid

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to talk on the phone because I had that
stutter and was made fun of a lot for it.

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And being raised in that culture of fear,
it was keep everything down, keep quiet,

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keep your head down, don't stand out,
everything is going to try to get you.

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And it never really felt right, right?

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Never felt natural.

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To me, especially as I got older,
you know, it was something in here

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doesn't feel right, doesn't feel
natural to be kept that small.

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And so I went on this journey of
like trying to find, and I didn't

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know it at the time what I was doing,
I know now, but I was trying to

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find that beast that was in here.

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So I started getting involved in
sports, started lifting weights,

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you know, which again scared mom,
you're going to get hurt, you're

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going to break a bone, you're going
to, you know, all these crazy things.

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It actually felt more natural.

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When I got into college, one of the first
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was in school, there was a sign outside
the dining hall for a martial arts club.

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And I signed up for that immediately.

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Because that was something that I've
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something my mother would never let me do.

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Because it scared the hell out of her.

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Right?

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I mean, everything scared the hell
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She didn't understand it.

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So I signed up for that, um, got bumped
and bruised and broke bones and got hit

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in the face and, and, you know, kicked
in the ribs and all kinds of stuff.

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And I found out that I
really, really liked it a lot.

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And I excelled at it.

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In fact, became, uh, got my black belt,
became an instructor, opened my own

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school, had my own school for eight years.

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And I found within me tapping more
into that beast, that natural beast

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that we all have as men really
is the more natural way to go.

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And so I started looking for mentors,
men who had been on the path before me

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that could help me understand what that
was and command it in the right way.

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Because a lot of times in my youth,
Brent, I was an angry young man.

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Cause I had kept that press down,
I had kept it hidden, I had kept

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it, I was told it was wrong.

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Don't ever show that, don't ever be
angry, don't ever, and all that did

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was make me more and more angry cause
that stuff was bottled up inside me.

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So I wanted to look for these men who
could help me along this path and show

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me the right way, and I found some
of those good men that are out there.

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So don't ever let anyone tell you
there are no good men out there who are

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willing to mentor and guide young men.

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There are a lot of them out there.

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And I found one in particular,
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book, a man named Rob James.

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And Rob is brilliant.

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He has been a leader in the human
consciousness space for 20, 30 years.

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And he was raised in a culture of courage.

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So he was raised on cattle ranches, then
he went into the Marines, um, and then

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he got into a human consciousness war.

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And so, his whole life, he was
encouraged to do things that, like,

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my mother was always afraid of.

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So he was encouraged to get into
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To drive heavy equipment, to ride
horses, to, you know, hunt fish, uh,

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and then obviously in the Marines, the
most supreme fighting force on Earth was

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trained how to, um, you know, in combat.

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He and I got together and I said, wow,
this is really what I've been looking

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for my whole life, was someone like this
who can take me on that path, show me

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the right way to, to, to command that
beast, to really tap into my warrior

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self, to really tap into my heart self.

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And.

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Become the man that I really
had always dreamed of being.

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And so that's really
my path along that way.

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And it started for me with knowing deep
inside that how I was raised and how I was

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feeling as a young man wasn't the ideal.

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Now that all said, Brian, I will
tell you it, it is the ideal

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because it led me to where I am now.

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And to write the book and to, you
know, help other men along the path

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and be that mentor, uh, for them.

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So, that's really what got me here.

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And, you know, I say every day,
thank God and thank God for mom.

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Because if she hadn't raised
me the way she did, I wouldn't

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be the man I am right now.

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Would you change anything
about the way you were raised?

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I wouldn't change a thing.

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I mean, there are times
I wish I could go back.

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You know, I look at Rob and I look at
the way he was raised and I'm like Wow,

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I mean, he, he was raised on cattle
ranches with men, ranchers and cowboys

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who were like John Wayne, you know,
and got that instilled at a young age.

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There are times I really do wish
I could change and go back and do

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that and, but then I don't think
I'd be on the mission I'm on now.

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Having gone through that and being raised
the way that I was and the adversities

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that I went through, the challenges that
I faced, feeling weak, feeling small.

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Feeling like I was never going to
be this ideal that I was looking

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toward being drove me down that path.

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And now, doing what I do
now, I can come from that.

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So when I sit with men who have been
raised the way that I was raised,

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but are not where I am on the
path, I have that empathy for them.

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I can understand where they are.

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I can understand the feeling.

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And fortunately, I know the way out.

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I know the way to the light.

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I know the way to the power.

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And I can guide them there
because I was guided.

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I've never actually met a wrench
kid or a farm kid who regrets the

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way they were raised, so Ever.

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I saw a thing one time and I
swear to you, I know it's true.

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They said you will never see a
cowboy on a psychiatrist's couch.

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And I can tell you that is true
because these are men and women,

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but men, really, because it's what
we're talking about, who are raised.

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naturally.

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And when I say naturally, in
nature, they're out in nature,

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they're tapping into their beast
on a regular basis through.

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With animals who are natural
beasts, they are in it every day.

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And I truly believe that's the way we
all should live out in nature, commuting

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with nature and harmony with nature,
animals, hunting, fishing, biking,

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sailing, whatever it is, you know,
you're into, but get out into nature

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and, and ranch kids and farm kids, they
understand that at the deepest level.

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What do you think about this
concept of toxic masculinity?

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That's one that kind
of gets me going, man.

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I got to tell you, you know, people
ask me this all the time, you

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know, what do I think about Todd?

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What do we know?

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What about toxic masculinity?

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Why is masculinity toxic?

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And the answer is there is no
such thing as toxic masculinity.

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Masculinity is beautiful.

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Masculinity is necessary.

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Masculinity is absolutely amazing.

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It is not.

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And I think it sends the message
to young men everywhere that the

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feeling that you feel inside, that
lion, In there, that beast that's

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in there is wrong, toxic, bad.

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I will say, when, when, you know,
it's in the book and it's in the

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work that I do, we have what we call
the four foundational archetypes.

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The warrior, the lover,
the king, the hero.

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Taking the first one, the warrior,
which is our masculine side.

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Warrior and lover, or the heart.

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Lover being the feminine side,
those are the duality, the two.

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Come together in harmony.

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But within each of those There is the
empowering side and the limiting side.

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So if we look at the warrior, we look
at our masculine and we look at some of

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the empowering traits in our masculine.

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There are some really wonderful things.

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There are some incredible things there.

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Courage, leadership, boldness,
ambition, exploration, adventure,

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risk taking, stewardship.

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All of these things that make
us, you know, well, I say

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us, make masculinity amazing.

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Right?

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So all those things that
drive and move us forward.

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Gotta have these things in us.

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That said, there is the
limiting side of this as well.

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And the limiting side of our
warrior, the limiting side of our

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masculinity, are things like being
violent, overbearing, inconsiderate.

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Uh, what did I say, violent already?

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Along the side of violent, you
know, perverted, dirty, disgusting.

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All of those things that people label as
toxic masculinity are simply the limiting

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side of our masculine, our warrior.

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So when I say to people, when you look at
that kind of stuff, and we all have this.

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Men and women all have these sides to us.

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The ideal is to shift out of the
limiting side of your masculine.

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When you're looking at yourself and
you're going, man, I'm being obnoxious

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or angry or violent or overbearing, or
any of those things shifting into the

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positive side, the empowering side of
being that leader, courageous, bold,

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maverick, that really is the beautiful
part of our warrior, of our masculine.

463
00:24:56,360 --> 00:24:59,760
So wrapping that up and answering
your question about what do I

464
00:24:59,780 --> 00:25:01,389
think about toxic masculinity?

465
00:25:01,730 --> 00:25:06,830
It is simply a function of the limiting
side of masculine and all masculine should

466
00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:13,639
never ever be labeled toxic because all
that does is give men and particularly

467
00:25:13,650 --> 00:25:21,520
young men the idea that what is in here,
the feeling, that beast that's inside,

468
00:25:22,380 --> 00:25:27,420
that beautiful driven warrior that we
have is somehow damaging and wrong.

469
00:25:28,050 --> 00:25:34,360
It is focus on the empowered side
of your masculine, stay there,

470
00:25:35,409 --> 00:25:41,170
guide yourself there, focus on
those, and then people won't have

471
00:25:41,170 --> 00:25:43,370
a reason to call masculinity toxic.

472
00:25:44,870 --> 00:25:47,239
Now you have an interesting
quote early in your book.

473
00:25:48,069 --> 00:25:51,270
You quote Emerson and say, The end
of the human race will be that it

474
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:53,520
will eventually die of civilization.

475
00:25:54,499 --> 00:25:59,080
Um, I thought that was a profound
statement to start the book on with early.

476
00:26:00,555 --> 00:26:04,105
For some of our audience who may be
not this familiar with Emerson's work.

477
00:26:05,315 --> 00:26:06,255
Why this quote?

478
00:26:07,355 --> 00:26:10,625
Emerson was an interesting enough,
like growing up, you hear, you know,

479
00:26:10,625 --> 00:26:14,544
Ralph Waldo Emerson, and then he
wrote some amazing works and these

480
00:26:14,545 --> 00:26:19,515
come from self reliance and if you
think about the title self reliance,

481
00:26:20,475 --> 00:26:26,664
what Emerson was talking about was
being independent and independence

482
00:26:26,694 --> 00:26:31,865
is another one of those empowering
warrior traits and being independent.

483
00:26:32,290 --> 00:26:37,320
Emerson believed that that was
the way society should function.

484
00:26:37,500 --> 00:26:39,640
People being very strong,
very self reliant.

485
00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,289
Emerson also said that the way
societies function is everyone's

486
00:26:44,289 --> 00:26:46,220
gotta get a, you know, go along.

487
00:26:46,530 --> 00:26:47,300
Follow the herd.

488
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:48,300
Be part of the flock.

489
00:26:49,150 --> 00:26:50,099
He didn't believe in that.

490
00:26:50,490 --> 00:26:53,500
So, you know, like I said, growing up,
you know, you hear Ralph Waldo Emerson,

491
00:26:53,500 --> 00:26:58,600
I'm thinking he's this nerdy, you
know, bookish kind of, you know, guy.

492
00:26:58,870 --> 00:27:03,610
He was a beast, and he was a naturalist,
and he got out into nature a lot.

493
00:27:04,500 --> 00:27:09,260
And this quote about the end of the
human race being over civilization,

494
00:27:09,270 --> 00:27:11,750
and he wrote this, by the way, in 1841.

495
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:13,660
So think about that.

496
00:27:13,670 --> 00:27:16,850
It was 180 years ago that he wrote this.

497
00:27:17,139 --> 00:27:22,300
So this has been going on for a very
long time, where we feel this way.

498
00:27:23,690 --> 00:27:29,830
And there's a, there's a definition of
the word civilize, to civilize something.

499
00:27:30,209 --> 00:27:38,379
Means to remove the savage from what
Emerson is saying is the more we

500
00:27:38,379 --> 00:27:44,500
remove the savage from ourselves,
especially as men, the more we deny that

501
00:27:44,629 --> 00:27:47,820
beast, the worse and worse and worse.

502
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:48,879
It gets for us.

503
00:27:49,249 --> 00:27:50,419
And we're seeing this now.

504
00:27:50,429 --> 00:27:53,100
He saw it in his time
almost 200 years ago.

505
00:27:53,370 --> 00:27:54,330
We're seeing this now.

506
00:27:54,960 --> 00:27:59,479
The more men deny that we have this beast,
which, by the way, again, because we've

507
00:27:59,479 --> 00:28:03,829
been, you know, this toxic masculinity
has been crammed down everybody's throats.

508
00:28:04,694 --> 00:28:09,075
Without looking at the beautiful side of
masculinity, which is what Emerson was

509
00:28:09,075 --> 00:28:15,995
looking at, was over civilization means
removing too much of the savage from.

510
00:28:16,504 --> 00:28:17,685
We become weak.

511
00:28:18,155 --> 00:28:19,435
We become dasan.

512
00:28:20,014 --> 00:28:24,544
We become easy to control.

513
00:28:26,235 --> 00:28:27,795
That's what Emerson was saying.

514
00:28:28,165 --> 00:28:32,675
Once that happens, we die off because
we can no longer take care of ourselves.

515
00:28:34,805 --> 00:28:39,655
So, to me, my take on that and why I use
it in the book so early is I want men

516
00:28:39,655 --> 00:28:45,045
to understand that what you're feeling
in here, that beast that's stirring

517
00:28:45,045 --> 00:28:49,305
inside you, especially young men as they
start to get, you know, into puberty,

518
00:28:49,305 --> 00:28:51,395
get older, they start to get stronger.

519
00:28:52,264 --> 00:28:53,894
That's what we start to lean towards.

520
00:28:54,395 --> 00:28:58,055
And I want them to know
this isn't a modern issue.

521
00:28:58,915 --> 00:29:01,714
I mean, it is a modern issue, but not
just a modern issue, something that

522
00:29:01,714 --> 00:29:04,145
just popped up in the last few decades.

523
00:29:04,605 --> 00:29:08,255
This has been going on with men
since the beginning of time.

524
00:29:09,034 --> 00:29:10,744
And I love how Emerson says that.

525
00:29:10,744 --> 00:29:16,655
So I think the lesson in that is do not
ever let yourself become over civilized.

526
00:29:19,205 --> 00:29:22,064
Now, Eric, I read a lot of
personal development books.

527
00:29:22,134 --> 00:29:24,715
I read a lot of quote unquote
men's books specifically.

528
00:29:24,754 --> 00:29:25,774
I've been in this field.

529
00:29:26,424 --> 00:29:30,735
You took a very different approach,
which made you look incredibly readable.

530
00:29:30,784 --> 00:29:34,875
Like I sat down and read it
in, I think, a couple hours.

531
00:29:34,935 --> 00:29:35,705
I read a lot.

532
00:29:35,714 --> 00:29:39,514
So I read pretty quick, but I sat
down and just read through it.

533
00:29:39,514 --> 00:29:41,104
It was, it was enjoyable to read.

534
00:29:41,104 --> 00:29:43,974
It was easy to understand
and really spoke to me.

535
00:29:44,435 --> 00:29:46,954
Tell us about Lions Raised as Lambs.

536
00:29:46,955 --> 00:29:47,624
Yeah.

537
00:29:48,705 --> 00:29:53,235
You know, I really, really appreciate
you saying that because you know, what's

538
00:29:53,235 --> 00:29:55,834
interesting is, and I've heard from
a lot of men is like, I don't read.

539
00:29:56,435 --> 00:29:57,035
I don't read.

540
00:29:57,125 --> 00:30:00,245
And especially like, you know, you
said like personal development books.

541
00:30:01,375 --> 00:30:04,975
I think as men, and it's been my
experience, I'm speaking just solely

542
00:30:04,975 --> 00:30:07,975
from my own experience, you know,
as a, as a journalist and a writer,

543
00:30:08,755 --> 00:30:14,245
I've found that a lot of men, we
don't like to be preached to, right?

544
00:30:14,245 --> 00:30:16,625
Like you should do this
and you should do that.

545
00:30:16,645 --> 00:30:19,100
You know, I always tell men,
when you're mentoring, Young

546
00:30:19,100 --> 00:30:20,160
men, kill off the shoulds.

547
00:30:20,170 --> 00:30:21,500
Just speak from experience.

548
00:30:22,030 --> 00:30:23,240
Wisdom, right?

549
00:30:23,690 --> 00:30:28,360
Because, you know, shoulds and opinions
and advice all come from up here.

550
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:29,750
They come from your head.

551
00:30:30,710 --> 00:30:32,650
Wisdom comes from your heart.

552
00:30:32,660 --> 00:30:33,950
It comes from true experience.

553
00:30:34,620 --> 00:30:37,640
This book really is my experience.

554
00:30:38,250 --> 00:30:42,130
And we, Rob and I, it
is our journey together.

555
00:30:43,270 --> 00:30:51,405
And one of the things we decided early
on was Allegory is a great tool, right?

556
00:30:51,425 --> 00:30:52,955
Bible uses allegory.

557
00:30:53,215 --> 00:30:54,785
Um, fairy tales use allegory.

558
00:30:54,795 --> 00:30:56,145
Myths are allegory.

559
00:30:56,145 --> 00:30:58,775
They are just
representations of the truth.

560
00:30:58,805 --> 00:31:04,915
And we decided that to tell a story
of a literal lion who was raised as a

561
00:31:04,975 --> 00:31:13,685
lamb, a lion cub who is adopted by a
lamb mama raised to deny his lion hood.

562
00:31:14,670 --> 00:31:20,200
And then is found by this powerful warrior
lion mentor who guides him through the

563
00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:24,990
rest of the book through all the things
he needs to understand to truly become a

564
00:31:24,990 --> 00:31:30,020
lion and a king felt way more relatable.

565
00:31:30,030 --> 00:31:31,800
Like you said, it spoke to you.

566
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:33,290
It relates to me.

567
00:31:33,640 --> 00:31:35,020
It's not preachy.

568
00:31:35,030 --> 00:31:40,010
It's not trying to throw things at you,
telling you what you should do instead.

569
00:31:40,430 --> 00:31:42,900
We wanted it to be a
story that spoke to men.

570
00:31:43,670 --> 00:31:47,570
I've had men tell me they have
wept reading this book because a

571
00:31:47,570 --> 00:31:49,800
certain thing will hit them so hard.

572
00:31:50,560 --> 00:31:54,520
You can't really do that
any other way than with this

573
00:31:54,540 --> 00:31:56,330
kind of story, this allegory.

574
00:31:56,810 --> 00:31:59,480
And so that's why we
decided to do it that way.

575
00:32:00,100 --> 00:32:04,230
You know, Rob, it was his intuition
that said this will be the way the book

576
00:32:04,240 --> 00:32:06,400
will really hit men, and he was right.

577
00:32:06,890 --> 00:32:10,650
And, and I, so I really appreciate
you sharing that, but that's

578
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:12,020
the way the book is written.

579
00:32:12,050 --> 00:32:18,380
It is, and I say this in the intro to
the book, it's my story, it's Rob's

580
00:32:18,390 --> 00:32:21,230
story, but it is all of our story.

581
00:32:21,980 --> 00:32:26,820
Somewhere along that journey, something
will click with every man out there and

582
00:32:26,820 --> 00:32:29,820
it'll be like, shit, yeah, that's me.

583
00:32:30,380 --> 00:32:33,150
I went through that and this is
what I've been searching for.

584
00:32:33,725 --> 00:32:35,755
And these are the lessons
that I've wanted to learn.

585
00:32:36,605 --> 00:32:41,505
So it just really allows us to
have that impact without being

586
00:32:41,505 --> 00:32:43,475
all preaching it from the head.

587
00:32:45,345 --> 00:32:48,795
It was, it was, it was a
nice, like, just afternoon.

588
00:32:48,795 --> 00:32:52,405
I sat down on my couch next to the
windows in sunlight, uh, grabbed my

589
00:32:52,405 --> 00:32:54,475
coffee and just sat down and read.

590
00:32:54,805 --> 00:32:57,725
And I'm not going to lie.

591
00:32:57,725 --> 00:33:00,305
There are some books, if you look
on the video behind me, there,

592
00:33:00,305 --> 00:33:01,645
there's a lot of books on my shelf.

593
00:33:01,645 --> 00:33:02,685
Those are all author reviews.

594
00:33:02,685 --> 00:33:04,865
And some of them were definitely
harder to read than others.

595
00:33:05,555 --> 00:33:09,185
I sat down and just kept reading
and it's like, Oh, I'm done.

596
00:33:10,485 --> 00:33:13,505
Oh, and it was a great way.

597
00:33:13,505 --> 00:33:15,625
I connected with the characters, man.

598
00:33:15,625 --> 00:33:19,235
I had that emotional rollercoaster
with the characters as they had the

599
00:33:19,235 --> 00:33:22,835
ups and downs was like, I was sneaky.

600
00:33:23,305 --> 00:33:24,805
There's a lot of
intelligent stuff in here.

601
00:33:24,805 --> 00:33:25,915
That was, yeah, man.

602
00:33:25,925 --> 00:33:27,605
I definitely appreciate that.

603
00:33:27,605 --> 00:33:32,305
You know, one of my favorite things to do
is when, um, you know, it just happened

604
00:33:32,305 --> 00:33:35,165
the other day, buddy, a friend of mine
gave one of her clients, the book.

605
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,100
And he read it and he happened to know me.

606
00:33:38,100 --> 00:33:42,540
I had met him a couple of times and,
um, he sent me the most wonderful text

607
00:33:42,540 --> 00:33:44,240
about, man, I just finished the book.

608
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:45,000
And he did the same thing.

609
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,360
He did it in one sitting on a weekend.

610
00:33:47,100 --> 00:33:49,260
And that was another, you know,
intentional thing here was to

611
00:33:49,260 --> 00:33:51,710
make this a short, easy read.

612
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:53,750
Like nothing, there's no fluff in there.

613
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:55,860
We didn't pack it with
stuff just to make it.

614
00:33:56,475 --> 00:33:58,865
a longer book, you know,
it is an easy read.

615
00:33:58,865 --> 00:34:01,235
And he said, I just read the book today.

616
00:34:01,245 --> 00:34:04,005
He said, wow, man, just, you know,
same kind of reaction you had.

617
00:34:04,385 --> 00:34:05,475
And I asked him the question.

618
00:34:05,475 --> 00:34:07,325
I love to ask men who read the book.

619
00:34:07,325 --> 00:34:13,405
And so I'll ask you, what was your
personal biggest takeaway from the book?

620
00:34:13,425 --> 00:34:14,895
What had the most impact on you?

621
00:34:15,545 --> 00:34:20,805
I want to say it was the surrounding
yourself with the right people.

622
00:34:22,405 --> 00:34:25,025
You know, as he moves through the
process and I won't give away a bunch

623
00:34:25,025 --> 00:34:30,515
of them, but you know, he's got the
young lion has his godfather, so to

624
00:34:30,515 --> 00:34:35,265
say, who is watched over him and is
trying to train him and then later on

625
00:34:35,265 --> 00:34:40,495
meets another lion or recognizes these
qualities is like, I want you around me.

626
00:34:41,180 --> 00:34:41,750
Right.

627
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:43,540
Um, that's been a hard
lesson for me to learn.

628
00:34:43,540 --> 00:34:47,490
I've always been, um, that's one of
the big lessons I had to learn over the

629
00:34:47,490 --> 00:34:50,950
last several years of doing this is I've
always been surrounding myself with women.

630
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,070
I have very few men who
are very close to me.

631
00:34:54,640 --> 00:34:58,250
We either really click or I'm more
likely to punch you in the face.

632
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:03,060
So it's, it's been a hard lesson
to start to surround myself

633
00:35:03,900 --> 00:35:07,210
with men who make me better.

634
00:35:08,925 --> 00:35:14,625
And that was definitely a, it's like,
Oh, I, I, I can see the importance

635
00:35:14,845 --> 00:35:16,635
even more as it was just clear.

636
00:35:19,265 --> 00:35:19,585
Yeah.

637
00:35:19,585 --> 00:35:22,265
And I think for us, you know,
as men, it's really difficult.

638
00:35:22,285 --> 00:35:25,125
You know, I know for me, when I was a
journalist, I had to interview a lot of

639
00:35:25,665 --> 00:35:30,295
very successful men, you know, through
celebrities, musicians, entrepreneurs.

640
00:35:30,885 --> 00:35:33,685
And I would always find myself,
like you said, I mean, they're

641
00:35:33,685 --> 00:35:34,345
going to really like you.

642
00:35:34,345 --> 00:35:35,455
I want to punch you in the face.

643
00:35:36,145 --> 00:35:37,335
And I would be with these guys.

644
00:35:37,335 --> 00:35:40,385
I'm like, ah, you know, he
probably did something shady to

645
00:35:40,385 --> 00:35:42,065
make his money or get whatever.

646
00:35:42,065 --> 00:35:43,915
He's probably a douche
bag, whatever it was.

647
00:35:44,375 --> 00:35:48,285
I had this preconceived notion of them and
I really would never let the lessons in.

648
00:35:49,145 --> 00:35:52,565
And I think as men, one of the big
things we have to learn is honoring

649
00:35:52,585 --> 00:35:54,895
other men and being willing.

650
00:35:55,055 --> 00:35:56,685
You cannot be a great mentor.

651
00:35:56,685 --> 00:35:57,705
This is a hard lesson.

652
00:35:57,705 --> 00:35:58,335
I had to learn.

653
00:35:58,815 --> 00:36:04,455
You cannot be a great mentor unless
You are willing to be mentored by a

654
00:36:04,455 --> 00:36:07,785
great man and give that man that honor.

655
00:36:08,105 --> 00:36:11,315
And it doesn't always have to be
somebody older or way down the path.

656
00:36:11,335 --> 00:36:12,045
It could be.

657
00:36:12,465 --> 00:36:15,645
Someone who's just a little bit ahead
of you on the path, someone you turn

658
00:36:15,645 --> 00:36:20,535
to for some of their wisdom once in a
while, and just being willing to do that.

659
00:36:20,535 --> 00:36:23,635
And so, yeah, I love that takeaway
that you had about that because

660
00:36:23,995 --> 00:36:27,335
it's a reason why you put that
in the book is we want men.

661
00:36:28,155 --> 00:36:30,725
We want that's in here.

662
00:36:31,045 --> 00:36:34,015
Well, you know, my feeling is
as men, we are independent,

663
00:36:34,705 --> 00:36:38,255
being strong, independent, self
reliant men is so important.

664
00:36:38,885 --> 00:36:44,335
It's what Emerson was saying in self
reliance, absolutely be independent.

665
00:36:45,235 --> 00:36:46,435
However, as we do that.

666
00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:55,600
Also being able to allow men into your
life who are good men, who will challenge

667
00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,750
you, who will hold you accountable, who
will put a boot in your ass when you

668
00:36:59,750 --> 00:37:02,360
need it, and who will show you the way.

669
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:05,810
And you know, when you said, I don't
really have a lot of good male friends,

670
00:37:06,360 --> 00:37:09,890
I've seen the statistics on this, I've
seen a number of 'em, and they're,

671
00:37:09,950 --> 00:37:11,180
they're, you know, all varying.

672
00:37:11,630 --> 00:37:13,610
But one of the things that's
striking, no matter which one you

673
00:37:13,610 --> 00:37:16,160
look at, is the vast majority of men.

674
00:37:16,165 --> 00:37:16,525
And I've seen it.

675
00:37:17,485 --> 00:37:21,795
Anywhere from, you know, in the 80
percentile to the high 90 percentile

676
00:37:22,015 --> 00:37:29,335
of men do not have one good male
friend that they can turn to for

677
00:37:29,335 --> 00:37:34,815
wisdom, for guidance, for a shoulder,
help them through a challenge.

678
00:37:35,815 --> 00:37:38,645
That is a painfully high number.

679
00:37:38,915 --> 00:37:40,710
That is a horrible number.

680
00:37:40,710 --> 00:37:45,485
And to me, I believe it's what leads
so many men to take their own lives.

681
00:37:45,665 --> 00:37:48,815
You know, there is a high
percentage of suicides.

682
00:37:50,875 --> 00:37:55,915
And I believe it's because a lot
of men we've, we're told not to ask

683
00:37:55,935 --> 00:37:59,115
for help, not to ask for guidance.

684
00:37:59,295 --> 00:38:00,395
It makes us look weak.

685
00:38:00,395 --> 00:38:01,575
It makes us look lost.

686
00:38:02,125 --> 00:38:04,255
I disagree with that wholeheartedly.

687
00:38:04,295 --> 00:38:10,785
I believe, um, finding other good men
that you can turn to is the way out.

688
00:38:11,015 --> 00:38:12,185
And it is a sign of strength.

689
00:38:12,185 --> 00:38:14,595
It is an absolute sign of strength.

690
00:38:14,615 --> 00:38:18,055
In my work, we always talk about, I
talk about vulnerability from strength.

691
00:38:19,150 --> 00:38:22,440
Vulnerability from weakness is
whining about it, being a victim

692
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,340
about it, and complaining about it.

693
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,980
Vulnerability from strength is talking
about an issue you're having is, hey

694
00:38:27,980 --> 00:38:32,510
man, this is what's going on in my life,
and it's really got me, and, and I'm

695
00:38:32,510 --> 00:38:33,930
not sure I know how to get out of it.

696
00:38:35,070 --> 00:38:36,330
What are some solutions?

697
00:38:37,050 --> 00:38:40,690
That's being open and honest about issues
you're having in your life, but not from

698
00:38:40,690 --> 00:38:44,935
a victim standpoint, from a standpoint
of, I'm going to go do something about

699
00:38:44,935 --> 00:38:46,855
this and I need your help doing it.

700
00:38:49,625 --> 00:38:53,755
I think as men, we can proactively
help other men in that way.

701
00:38:53,785 --> 00:38:56,835
Sometimes my business
coach is a friend of mine.

702
00:38:56,845 --> 00:39:00,875
We, we had worked together on some stuff
and he, he came alongside me when he

703
00:39:00,875 --> 00:39:03,535
called me, he's like, bro, you just,
you're looking so beat up these days.

704
00:39:03,535 --> 00:39:04,365
You're so tired.

705
00:39:04,785 --> 00:39:05,755
You're so worn out.

706
00:39:05,785 --> 00:39:07,005
You're so beat down.

707
00:39:07,340 --> 00:39:08,660
So this is what we're going to do.

708
00:39:09,150 --> 00:39:10,620
I'm going to line you up with this group.

709
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:12,470
You're going to work
with me directly on this.

710
00:39:13,910 --> 00:39:15,880
And it just really came.

711
00:39:15,970 --> 00:39:18,130
I was like, man, I I'm
not good asking for help.

712
00:39:18,130 --> 00:39:23,950
He said, I know that's why I'm just
saying I'm going to help you because I

713
00:39:23,950 --> 00:39:28,400
know if I wait for you to ask, you're
not going to ask and you need to work

714
00:39:28,400 --> 00:39:29,970
on that, but we'll deal with that later.

715
00:39:30,730 --> 00:39:35,910
And just really has come alongside
as a mentor and a friend, but he

716
00:39:35,910 --> 00:39:37,069
got proactive because he just.

717
00:39:37,370 --> 00:39:38,850
He knew I wasn't going to ask for it.

718
00:39:38,850 --> 00:39:40,570
It didn't matter how bad it got.

719
00:39:41,450 --> 00:39:45,020
And I think we can do that for
other men as well on this journey.

720
00:39:46,530 --> 00:39:48,250
Oh, a thousand percent.

721
00:39:48,270 --> 00:39:51,600
And you know, what you're saying
really leads into, there's another

722
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,640
thing that's in the book, um, which
is, it's really, really important.

723
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:57,450
And I think for us as men, it's important.

724
00:39:57,450 --> 00:40:01,060
And it goes to what you're speaking
to, what we just talked about and

725
00:40:01,070 --> 00:40:05,760
honoring good men is we have what
we call the sacred seven core value.

726
00:40:06,875 --> 00:40:10,065
And this is not something that
I came up with alone in any way.

727
00:40:10,075 --> 00:40:12,385
It was, it was Rob, my coauthor.

728
00:40:12,385 --> 00:40:15,465
It was his idea to have these
for the men in our community.

729
00:40:16,325 --> 00:40:20,835
And a number of us sat in a room
for what seemed like a week.

730
00:40:20,865 --> 00:40:24,935
It was, you know, several hours, but
seemed like a week coming down to the

731
00:40:24,955 --> 00:40:31,985
core of the core of the core of ideals
and values that we believed men should,

732
00:40:32,165 --> 00:40:34,165
you know, would benefit living by.

733
00:40:35,475 --> 00:40:39,485
And we came up with them and
they are courage, honesty.

734
00:40:39,770 --> 00:40:44,070
Integrity, Commitment, Duty, Honor, Love.

735
00:40:45,770 --> 00:40:49,150
And when you look at them, Courage
and Love being the Alpha and the

736
00:40:49,150 --> 00:40:53,510
Omega, Courage is that warrior
trait, that masculine warrior trait.

737
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:56,700
Love is that lover trait,
that feminine side.

738
00:40:57,770 --> 00:40:59,450
And they rank these seven.

739
00:40:59,870 --> 00:41:03,650
And in what you're saying right
now about not asking for help, we

740
00:41:03,650 --> 00:41:05,510
always look at the first three.

741
00:41:05,570 --> 00:41:07,360
Courage, Honesty, and Integrity.

742
00:41:08,100 --> 00:41:12,950
And if you have the courage, and it
takes an enormous amount of courage to

743
00:41:12,950 --> 00:41:18,460
tap into, But if you have the courage
to be ruthlessly honest with yourself,

744
00:41:19,380 --> 00:41:25,630
yourself first, ruthlessly honest with
yourself, that leads you to being a man

745
00:41:25,630 --> 00:41:30,450
of integrity, meaning you are the same
man in public as you are in private.

746
00:41:31,450 --> 00:41:36,120
You are not saying one thing to
your people and doing something

747
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:37,050
different when you're home.

748
00:41:37,060 --> 00:41:41,270
And I think we've all seen a lot of
that, especially lately out there

749
00:41:41,290 --> 00:41:45,590
in society where people are, you
know, talking one thing and you're

750
00:41:45,590 --> 00:41:46,690
like, yeah, man, that's awesome.

751
00:41:46,690 --> 00:41:47,790
And then you hear they're doing this.

752
00:41:48,390 --> 00:41:49,360
Not an integrity.

753
00:41:50,220 --> 00:41:53,390
So the courage to be ruthlessly
honest with yourself leads

754
00:41:53,390 --> 00:41:55,080
you to be a man of integrity.

755
00:41:55,460 --> 00:42:00,010
When you can do that, and then we look
at, you know, commitment to yourself

756
00:42:00,010 --> 00:42:04,910
and others, duty to yourself, your
family, your relationships, your

757
00:42:04,910 --> 00:42:09,400
kids, your country, whoever it may
be, really stepping into your duty,

758
00:42:10,990 --> 00:42:15,210
and then honor, being able to honor
those around you, especially these

759
00:42:15,220 --> 00:42:16,950
good men that may be able to guide you.

760
00:42:16,950 --> 00:42:17,930
And it is an honor.

761
00:42:18,765 --> 00:42:22,465
To be asked to be somebody's mentor,
to guide them in any aspect of their

762
00:42:22,465 --> 00:42:24,945
life, and then just love, pure love.

763
00:42:25,045 --> 00:42:30,385
Love is just living from that
heart, leading with your warrior and

764
00:42:30,385 --> 00:42:34,555
then supporting it with, you know,
beautiful heart will get you there.

765
00:42:34,905 --> 00:42:37,105
And I think that's, you know,
your, your business coach

766
00:42:37,165 --> 00:42:39,169
understood that on some level that.

767
00:42:40,620 --> 00:42:44,340
You know, that's where he
could guide you the best.

768
00:42:44,860 --> 00:42:47,640
And so I would say Brent looking at
that when he said, you know, I have, I

769
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,410
have a lot of trouble asking for help.

770
00:42:49,810 --> 00:42:52,430
It is courage, honesty and
integrity that will lead you there.

771
00:42:54,140 --> 00:42:54,580
I love it.

772
00:42:54,830 --> 00:42:56,230
I love it guys.

773
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:58,480
We've been discussing lions, races, lambs.

774
00:42:59,540 --> 00:43:02,180
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775
00:43:02,590 --> 00:43:04,980
In the next part of the show, we're
going to dive into the four foundational

776
00:43:04,980 --> 00:43:08,440
archetypes and how they impact your
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777
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797
00:43:52,755 --> 00:43:54,035
Welcome back in the last part of the show.

798
00:43:54,035 --> 00:43:58,185
We were discussing the book
lions raised as lambs with Eric.

799
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:00,990
And in this part of the show,
we're going to dive into the four

800
00:44:00,990 --> 00:44:04,380
foundational architects and archetypes
and how they impact your life.

801
00:44:05,090 --> 00:44:09,490
This is one of those great pieces of
the book that you just put in there.

802
00:44:09,490 --> 00:44:15,490
So gently throughout there that you're
like, ah, I see what you did there.

803
00:44:15,490 --> 00:44:16,120
Okay.

804
00:44:16,540 --> 00:44:16,780
Right.

805
00:44:16,780 --> 00:44:17,430
As you're reading through.

806
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:21,040
And I, I really enjoyed the reflection
questions actually in the chapters.

807
00:44:21,740 --> 00:44:25,050
I thought it's like, okay, how are you
going to pull that off with an allegory?

808
00:44:25,590 --> 00:44:26,800
And then it totally worked.

809
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,000
It was like, Oh, okay.

810
00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:29,000
That's how got it.

811
00:44:29,220 --> 00:44:29,790
Right.

812
00:44:30,660 --> 00:44:36,710
But you really break it down into
the, this three pillar formula.

813
00:44:37,660 --> 00:44:38,770
Uh, that's just incredible.

814
00:44:38,770 --> 00:44:41,460
And I know today we're just going
to get into the four archetypes.

815
00:44:41,470 --> 00:44:47,180
You already talked a little bit about the
sacred seven core values, but we touched

816
00:44:47,180 --> 00:44:49,150
on the four archetypes and we touched on.

817
00:44:49,645 --> 00:44:52,245
The warrior part and the lover part.

818
00:44:53,125 --> 00:44:56,665
So let's get into this
and how they impact us.

819
00:44:58,215 --> 00:44:59,225
Yeah, absolutely.

820
00:44:59,225 --> 00:45:04,275
And you know, these, these four
archetypes, the warrior, the lover,

821
00:45:04,275 --> 00:45:10,685
the king, the hero, they're, they are
so impactful, like you said, and they

822
00:45:10,685 --> 00:45:14,515
really come from every story ever told.

823
00:45:14,515 --> 00:45:21,145
If you, if you break myths,
legends, science fiction, um, day

824
00:45:21,145 --> 00:45:23,885
movie stories, they, they have
these archetypes within them.

825
00:45:24,865 --> 00:45:25,285
And.

826
00:45:25,770 --> 00:45:31,190
Man named Joseph Campbell, who wrote a
couple of incredible, incredible books.

827
00:45:31,200 --> 00:45:34,420
I mean, he wrote a lot of books,
but these two particular strike me.

828
00:45:34,450 --> 00:45:41,010
One is The Power of Myth, and the other
is The Hero with a Thousand Faces.

829
00:45:41,850 --> 00:45:46,380
And what Campbell found was, why he said
The Hero with a Thousand Faces was, every

830
00:45:46,380 --> 00:45:48,390
story ever told is every story ever told.

831
00:45:48,910 --> 00:45:53,000
They all follow this, what he
coined, the hero's journey.

832
00:45:54,490 --> 00:45:58,175
And it was this hero's journey,
Where, you know, it had all these

833
00:45:58,175 --> 00:46:02,175
different steps and depending on what
scholar you look at, there's 14 steps.

834
00:46:02,175 --> 00:46:07,675
I've seen it as high as 20 something steps
of the journey that we go through, right?

835
00:46:07,695 --> 00:46:12,105
And, and the reason why these myths
and legends and stories and all

836
00:46:12,105 --> 00:46:17,560
that impact us so incredibly and
so profoundly is because it's what

837
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:18,970
we call the software of our soul.

838
00:46:19,830 --> 00:46:21,740
It is our story as well.

839
00:46:22,160 --> 00:46:27,690
So it's not just the story we're reading.

840
00:46:27,700 --> 00:46:28,960
It's our story.

841
00:46:29,550 --> 00:46:35,160
So looking at his journey, we
looked at these archetypes that

842
00:46:35,160 --> 00:46:39,550
we embody during this, and it is.

843
00:46:40,375 --> 00:46:43,875
The warrior, which is our, like
I said, our masculine side,

844
00:46:43,885 --> 00:46:45,805
that's the driven, ambitious.

845
00:46:46,305 --> 00:46:52,405
In every story, the hero faces obstacles
and challenges and self doubt and all

846
00:46:52,405 --> 00:46:55,105
of these things that they must overcome.

847
00:46:57,455 --> 00:46:58,665
That's the warrior side.

848
00:46:59,175 --> 00:47:05,595
So like I said earlier, the empowering
side of our warrior is ambition, drive,

849
00:47:05,765 --> 00:47:08,085
courage, boldness, being a maverick.

850
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:13,180
Being independent, being a risk taker,
all of these things that drive us forward.

851
00:47:14,990 --> 00:47:16,850
That said, we have the lover side of us.

852
00:47:17,410 --> 00:47:19,450
That lover archetype, that's our heart.

853
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:24,310
And that's all the stuff, and I
say this, that's all the stuff that

854
00:47:24,310 --> 00:47:26,670
makes life so juicy and delicious.

855
00:47:27,220 --> 00:47:29,330
Things like beauty and creativity.

856
00:47:29,690 --> 00:47:32,730
Wisdom is actually a
lover archetype trait.

857
00:47:33,435 --> 00:47:40,855
And, uh, creativity, magnetism, charisma,
um, playfulness, abundance, generosity,

858
00:47:40,865 --> 00:47:44,675
trust, all of those we need as well.

859
00:47:44,755 --> 00:47:49,285
That makes us well rounded because if
we were solely warrior, especially as

860
00:47:49,285 --> 00:47:54,725
men and a lot of men, um, have, have,
I would say trouble with this, but

861
00:47:54,725 --> 00:47:56,645
this is a thing that kind of gets them.

862
00:47:56,645 --> 00:47:57,055
They're like.

863
00:47:57,740 --> 00:47:59,730
Well, do I have to be
a warrior all the time?

864
00:47:59,740 --> 00:48:02,410
Am I just go, go, go,
go, beast, beast, beast?

865
00:48:04,690 --> 00:48:05,900
Because that makes you a barbarian.

866
00:48:06,860 --> 00:48:11,450
The other side of us, that lover
side, is what, in a relationship,

867
00:48:11,450 --> 00:48:12,650
makes the relationship work.

868
00:48:12,730 --> 00:48:15,600
Because it's that side of us
that's creative and playful

869
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,010
and loving and compassionate.

870
00:48:17,620 --> 00:48:19,850
And all of those things, right?

871
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,270
So, we must have that lover
side, but we support with the

872
00:48:24,270 --> 00:48:25,490
lover, we don't lead with it.

873
00:48:26,090 --> 00:48:27,390
We're warriors first.

874
00:48:28,350 --> 00:48:33,200
So, that warrior archetype, It's
supported by, you know, drives us forward.

875
00:48:33,620 --> 00:48:41,050
The lover archetype is what rounds
us out, makes us complete person.

876
00:48:41,710 --> 00:48:48,740
We support with the man who can integrate
his warrior and his lover, lead with his

877
00:48:48,740 --> 00:48:52,580
warrior, support with his lover, live that
way, is living from the king archetype.

878
00:48:53,330 --> 00:48:54,080
That is the king.

879
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,570
So when I work with a lot of my
men, my, my clients, I'll always

880
00:48:57,570 --> 00:48:59,660
say, remember, king come from king.

881
00:49:00,530 --> 00:49:02,580
And that is leading with
that empowered warrior.

882
00:49:03,470 --> 00:49:07,410
So if you need to do something,
you need to be driven and decisive.

883
00:49:07,930 --> 00:49:09,790
Decisive is a great warrior trait.

884
00:49:10,910 --> 00:49:14,900
Move yourself forward and then support
with that love or something, which is the

885
00:49:15,250 --> 00:49:20,800
generosity, the abundance, the creativity,
the things that will make it thrive.

886
00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:23,290
Then you're coming from King.

887
00:49:24,760 --> 00:49:28,520
So the King takes care of
himself and the kingdom first.

888
00:49:29,190 --> 00:49:32,000
I always say if it's good for the
king, it's good for the kingdom.

889
00:49:32,490 --> 00:49:35,790
Take care of this first, then you
can take care of your kingdom.

890
00:49:35,930 --> 00:49:42,680
Because if the king is sick and weak and
angry and stupid and all of those limiting

891
00:49:42,690 --> 00:49:45,240
things, can't take care of the kingdom.

892
00:49:46,130 --> 00:49:52,190
The king's gotta be happy and powerful
and wealthy and healthy and thriving,

893
00:49:53,060 --> 00:49:54,060
then he can take care of his kingdom.

894
00:49:54,060 --> 00:49:56,770
So king, kingdom first.

895
00:49:58,035 --> 00:50:01,975
When you drop doing those things for
yourself and for your kingdom, and you

896
00:50:02,245 --> 00:50:08,675
act selflessly for humanity, for your
neighbor, for someone in distress,

897
00:50:09,415 --> 00:50:10,705
that's when you elevate to hero.

898
00:50:11,995 --> 00:50:17,625
So the hero does it purely
out of love, selfless.

899
00:50:18,555 --> 00:50:23,635
And so those are the four that we see, the
warrior, the lover, the king, the hero.

900
00:50:24,745 --> 00:50:27,455
And I tell men all the
time, if you remember those.

901
00:50:28,410 --> 00:50:34,570
You lead with your warrior, support
with your lover, integrate those two,

902
00:50:34,580 --> 00:50:40,100
you're operating from king, take care
of yourself, your kingdom, and then

903
00:50:40,540 --> 00:50:46,900
the selfless acts of love for those
in need, distress, whatever it may be.

904
00:50:48,840 --> 00:50:50,770
So that's where those
four archetypes come from.

905
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:52,020
Okay.

906
00:50:53,020 --> 00:50:56,810
I'm, I'm familiar with the concept
of the hero's journey from Campbell,

907
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:02,700
but how you integrated it into
the book, it's like, Oh, you

908
00:51:02,700 --> 00:51:04,840
actually could see things play out.

909
00:51:05,905 --> 00:51:09,725
As men, we can be a little slow on the
uptake sometimes I'm a little, I'm a

910
00:51:09,725 --> 00:51:14,075
little stubborn, little, little thick
every now and then I get kind of set in my

911
00:51:14,075 --> 00:51:22,165
ways and so it was to actually see it play
throughout this story was really cool.

912
00:51:24,075 --> 00:51:26,605
Yeah, and there's another thing
you'll notice in there, which is

913
00:51:26,605 --> 00:51:31,795
really, really important in Campbell's
hero's journey is it's the mentor.

914
00:51:33,035 --> 00:51:36,955
There is always in every story ever
told the hero never does it alone.

915
00:51:38,080 --> 00:51:41,690
The hero never does it by themselves,
they never discover their powers or

916
00:51:41,690 --> 00:51:46,280
their greatness or their, you know, the
things that will make them the hero,

917
00:51:47,100 --> 00:51:48,500
they never discover that on their own.

918
00:51:48,510 --> 00:51:50,130
There is that mentor.

919
00:51:50,700 --> 00:51:55,880
And a lot of times in, in myths
and legends and in a lot of science

920
00:51:55,880 --> 00:51:58,440
fiction, it is a magical mentor.

921
00:51:59,700 --> 00:52:03,400
So you'll notice, you know, we kind of
have one in the book, the little owl,

922
00:52:03,460 --> 00:52:05,140
Consilio is the one who's kind of.

923
00:52:05,850 --> 00:52:09,660
The, the, the, the wise guy in the book.

924
00:52:09,660 --> 00:52:14,380
Whereas Leo, the Godfather and
the Warrior Line in the book

925
00:52:14,440 --> 00:52:17,410
is the Warrior mentor, right?

926
00:52:17,410 --> 00:52:20,030
So he's got both side coming.

927
00:52:20,030 --> 00:52:23,430
He's got the warrior side from
Leo and he's got the wisdom

928
00:52:23,430 --> 00:52:25,470
side from Concilio, the Owl.

929
00:52:26,180 --> 00:52:30,880
And if you look at this in and all the
great stories, you know, star Wars is

930
00:52:30,880 --> 00:52:34,255
the big one because everybody knows
the story of Star Wars and George

931
00:52:34,255 --> 00:52:37,000
Lucas went to USC, which is where.

932
00:52:37,525 --> 00:52:43,275
Joseph Campbell taught and this
is goal was to create a space myth

933
00:52:44,415 --> 00:52:49,705
and take this beautiful mythology
That Campbell had laid out and use

934
00:52:49,705 --> 00:52:51,255
it as his framework for Star Wars.

935
00:52:51,265 --> 00:52:55,625
So you have everything that's there So
if you look at Yoda and Obi Wan, they

936
00:52:55,625 --> 00:53:00,835
are those magical mentors Luke Skywalker
never becomes a great Jedi without them

937
00:53:01,845 --> 00:53:06,175
And so the lesson there too in going
through these archetypes is having someone

938
00:53:06,175 --> 00:53:11,225
who can guide you in them, to them, to
tap into them further is also essential.

939
00:53:13,135 --> 00:53:13,695
I like it.

940
00:53:14,685 --> 00:53:17,525
Then you tie that into
the sacred cores, right?

941
00:53:17,905 --> 00:53:22,275
And it just, it's fun for me.

942
00:53:22,275 --> 00:53:23,585
I like to see things build.

943
00:53:23,695 --> 00:53:25,095
I like to see it play out.

944
00:53:25,645 --> 00:53:28,165
I go back and like overanalyze everything.

945
00:53:28,685 --> 00:53:33,385
And just racked my brain back through
it was like, Oh, that was cool.

946
00:53:33,385 --> 00:53:33,755
Right.

947
00:53:33,945 --> 00:53:35,525
I'm fascinated by good writing.

948
00:53:35,525 --> 00:53:38,325
So it's always fun to go back through
the story and pick things apart.

949
00:53:38,695 --> 00:53:42,895
I'm notoriously bad at like, I'll
go through like star Wars and

950
00:53:42,905 --> 00:53:44,565
Harry Potter and Lord of the Rings.

951
00:53:44,565 --> 00:53:46,165
And I'm like picking apart the literature.

952
00:53:47,115 --> 00:53:47,785
Uh, Oh, okay.

953
00:53:47,965 --> 00:53:48,625
Yeah.

954
00:53:49,735 --> 00:53:50,655
So it gets really over here.

955
00:53:50,655 --> 00:53:52,925
There's a great, there's a, there's
a, I don't want to interrupt you, but

956
00:53:52,925 --> 00:53:57,965
there's a great comedian who does a
spot on where he says, and he shows it.

957
00:53:57,965 --> 00:53:58,615
He proves it.

958
00:53:58,625 --> 00:53:59,215
He says.

959
00:53:59,740 --> 00:54:00,080
J.

960
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:00,340
K.

961
00:54:00,340 --> 00:54:02,840
Rowling didn't write Harry Potter.

962
00:54:03,410 --> 00:54:06,800
She just rewrote a shittier
version of Star Wars.

963
00:54:09,290 --> 00:54:10,990
And she relates all the characters.

964
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,730
She says like, Harry
Potter is Luke Skywalker.

965
00:54:14,210 --> 00:54:16,040
Instead of a lightsaber, he's got a wand.

966
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:17,210
Right.

967
00:54:17,350 --> 00:54:24,910
Dumbledore is Oda and Harry and I
mean, sorry, Ron and Hermione are

968
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:28,680
Han Solo and Princess Leia, and
he just lays this whole thing out.

969
00:54:28,690 --> 00:54:32,630
And it's very funny to watch,
but the, but the truth is he's

970
00:54:32,630 --> 00:54:36,470
just laying out Campbell's hero's
journey because both of those great

971
00:54:36,470 --> 00:54:38,910
works follow that same framework.

972
00:54:39,240 --> 00:54:39,640
Oh yeah.

973
00:54:39,660 --> 00:54:43,160
Well, that's what I was wanting to
get that to your point was going back

974
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,280
through all like the really great.

975
00:54:46,820 --> 00:54:53,040
Larger stories, they stick around for
years and decades and centuries, right?

976
00:54:53,340 --> 00:54:57,620
The ones that survive
all follow that format.

977
00:54:57,620 --> 00:55:02,240
If you look back at the great
works of history, the ones that

978
00:55:02,240 --> 00:55:07,860
have survived all follow this very
specific format and it's very cool.

979
00:55:09,870 --> 00:55:10,040
Yeah.

980
00:55:10,040 --> 00:55:12,930
And so when you, when you're
working with those, the archetypes,

981
00:55:12,950 --> 00:55:14,404
the four foundational archetypes.

982
00:55:14,975 --> 00:55:18,765
In your life, it will move you forward.

983
00:55:19,235 --> 00:55:21,475
And that's the kind of point
we're making with the book too.

984
00:55:21,475 --> 00:55:27,105
Is if you live that hero's journey, your
warrior, your lover, your King, your

985
00:55:27,105 --> 00:55:30,895
hero, you will live that memorable life.

986
00:55:31,515 --> 00:55:34,715
And so that's what, what we're,
what we're putting forward here.

987
00:55:34,715 --> 00:55:41,015
And I love that you got that from
the book, Eric, for our listeners.

988
00:55:41,265 --> 00:55:41,695
Okay.

989
00:55:41,725 --> 00:55:43,855
If we got someone
listening right now, who's.

990
00:55:44,650 --> 00:55:48,440
Really keen in, and they
want this for their life.

991
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:52,660
What, what are the first three,
three steps to start taking?

992
00:55:54,380 --> 00:55:58,670
Well, the first step would be get
the book, you know, and I'm not, and

993
00:55:58,720 --> 00:56:01,450
honestly, I'm not just saying that
to, you know, you know, have you sell

994
00:56:01,450 --> 00:56:04,970
books because look, you, you know,
the experience you had reading it.

995
00:56:05,330 --> 00:56:09,680
And I've heard from dozens of men who
had the same experience in reading it.

996
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,660
So I would say step one,
get the book because it will

997
00:56:11,660 --> 00:56:14,350
lay out for you the journey.

998
00:56:14,900 --> 00:56:17,310
And, and you will see things in
there that, that will hit you

999
00:56:17,310 --> 00:56:19,490
deeply from within your own life.

1000
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:21,290
So I would say, number one, get the book.

1001
00:56:21,980 --> 00:56:25,420
And number two is take action.

1002
00:56:26,810 --> 00:56:28,530
And I don't care what that action is.

1003
00:56:28,870 --> 00:56:30,280
So whatever feels right for you.

1004
00:56:30,590 --> 00:56:33,990
Too many of us, and this is how I
lived my life before, I read the

1005
00:56:33,990 --> 00:56:36,490
book, I get the knowledge, and
it just sits up here in my head.

1006
00:56:36,500 --> 00:56:39,950
I have the knowledge, but I
don't do anything with it.

1007
00:56:40,010 --> 00:56:41,310
You don't do anything about it.

1008
00:56:42,130 --> 00:56:44,470
And we, and at the end of the book,
we kind of lay out some things that

1009
00:56:44,480 --> 00:56:47,470
you can do in terms of taking action.

1010
00:56:48,080 --> 00:56:52,780
And that's really the key to anything
is you acquire that knowledge.

1011
00:56:53,500 --> 00:57:00,120
And to me, wisdom is simply a deepening
of your knowledge through experience.

1012
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,280
So give yourself that experience,
go out and take action,

1013
00:57:04,860 --> 00:57:06,940
read the book, take action.

1014
00:57:07,240 --> 00:57:10,220
And third would be what we
discussed in here today.

1015
00:57:10,730 --> 00:57:17,170
Find good men to surround yourself with
good men, men who Live as kings, men who

1016
00:57:17,180 --> 00:57:22,960
follow, if not those sacred seven core
values, a set of core values that are

1017
00:57:22,960 --> 00:57:25,440
their North Star, that are their guide.

1018
00:57:26,210 --> 00:57:30,360
Find these men, surround yourself with
them, because that's the only way to

1019
00:57:30,360 --> 00:57:32,130
continue your journey as a good man.

1020
00:57:32,610 --> 00:57:37,830
So, read the book, take action,
surround yourself with good men.

1021
00:57:39,380 --> 00:57:42,230
Now guys, you've, you've
got the layout here.

1022
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:47,280
If you aren't sure, right, if
you're coming from a place of living

1023
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:52,605
with fear, Of not being taking
that action of not living a little

1024
00:57:52,605 --> 00:57:54,175
larger where you'd like to be.

1025
00:57:54,775 --> 00:58:00,195
Uh, before we want to wrap this up, I
want to say Eric's got an option for you.

1026
00:58:00,195 --> 00:58:03,395
So Eric, tell us a little bit
more about bold men adventures.

1027
00:58:05,105 --> 00:58:05,375
Yeah.

1028
00:58:05,475 --> 00:58:07,155
Um, bold men adventures is awesome.

1029
00:58:07,175 --> 00:58:10,495
And there's also the bold men
brotherhood, which is great too.

1030
00:58:10,495 --> 00:58:12,215
Two great things you can get involved in.

1031
00:58:12,215 --> 00:58:15,735
So bold men adventures, you know, when I
was a journalist and I said, I traveled

1032
00:58:15,735 --> 00:58:18,715
around the world doing crazy stuff, I
would come back from some of these trips.

1033
00:58:19,275 --> 00:58:22,165
I'd post on social media, you know,
while I was out there, what I was doing.

1034
00:58:22,165 --> 00:58:26,635
I'd get back and my buddies would be
like, Dude, man, I wanted to do that.

1035
00:58:26,645 --> 00:58:27,965
I would love to do that.

1036
00:58:28,425 --> 00:58:31,685
All I do is sit in an office all day,
and then when I get home, I'm hanging

1037
00:58:31,685 --> 00:58:35,215
out with the wife and the kids, and I
never get outside, never do anything.

1038
00:58:35,715 --> 00:58:38,475
So, Bold Men Adventures was
born of getting men out of the

1039
00:58:38,475 --> 00:58:43,075
house, out of the office, out
of their head, and into nature.

1040
00:58:44,045 --> 00:58:45,615
Getting outside, connecting with nature.

1041
00:58:45,615 --> 00:58:49,405
Like I mentioned, you know, cowboys
and farm boys, they know this for

1042
00:58:49,405 --> 00:58:52,465
a fact, getting out there, what it
does to you in here, what it opens up

1043
00:58:52,465 --> 00:58:54,055
the passion that it opens up in you.

1044
00:58:54,655 --> 00:58:58,005
And I would say, you know, for us, it's
been really amazing to get some of these

1045
00:58:58,005 --> 00:59:01,825
guys and you can see some videos and
stuff on the, on the bold men adventure

1046
00:59:01,825 --> 00:59:05,935
site, the profound impact that it has
just getting outside, being in nature

1047
00:59:05,935 --> 00:59:09,155
with other men and doing it purposefully.

1048
00:59:10,005 --> 00:59:13,215
Overcoming challenges, pushing
yourself physically, pushing

1049
00:59:13,215 --> 00:59:17,265
yourself mentally, pushing yourself
spiritually and getting out and doing

1050
00:59:17,265 --> 00:59:21,525
things you never dream you would has
been just powerful and impactful.

1051
00:59:21,545 --> 00:59:23,265
So I would highly recommend doing that.

1052
00:59:24,045 --> 00:59:26,365
You know, go to look up
bold men, adventures.

1053
00:59:26,605 --> 00:59:27,785
com and you'll see that.

1054
00:59:28,155 --> 00:59:30,445
And then the brotherhood brand
is, you know, bold men brotherhood

1055
00:59:30,445 --> 00:59:35,505
is we meet every Thursday night
at 6 PM Eastern on a zoom call.

1056
00:59:35,505 --> 00:59:41,275
We got men from all over the country
to come on and it is an hour of.

1057
00:59:42,155 --> 00:59:45,555
Myself and two co leaders that
I have, men that have been

1058
00:59:45,555 --> 00:59:46,835
in the work for a long time.

1059
00:59:47,505 --> 00:59:51,275
It is us leading a discussion
very much like what goes on

1060
00:59:51,275 --> 00:59:52,475
in the book contemplations.

1061
00:59:52,475 --> 00:59:53,345
I'll bring up a topic.

1062
00:59:53,865 --> 00:59:56,015
We'll talk about it Where is
this hitting you in your life?

1063
00:59:56,015 --> 00:59:57,185
How can you move forward?

1064
00:59:57,535 --> 01:00:02,465
We'll mastermind it a little bit and some
of the men say it's the only time during

1065
01:00:02,465 --> 01:00:08,785
the week when they truly have quality
time with other men We talked about men

1066
01:00:08,785 --> 01:00:12,025
not having friends a lot of the guys
in the brotherhood have become really

1067
01:00:12,025 --> 01:00:16,915
close friends mentors to each other Done
business together, but it's a place if

1068
01:00:16,915 --> 01:00:23,325
you want to meet and hang out with and
move forward with like minded men who are

1069
01:00:23,325 --> 01:00:24,895
looking to be the best men they could be.

1070
01:00:25,105 --> 01:00:26,045
It's bold men Brotherhood.

1071
01:00:26,800 --> 01:00:27,210
All right.

1072
01:00:28,360 --> 01:00:29,680
What's next for Eric?

1073
01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:33,900
Ooh, there's good stuff coming up.

1074
01:00:34,190 --> 01:00:36,220
Like I said, I'm a storyteller at heart.

1075
01:00:36,350 --> 01:00:37,940
I'm fascinated by stories.

1076
01:00:37,940 --> 01:00:42,250
You can tell with the archetypes
and the, the, the core values and

1077
01:00:42,670 --> 01:00:44,400
you know, Campbell's hero's journey.

1078
01:00:45,410 --> 01:00:49,110
And I love storytelling and I've
done it mostly in written form.

1079
01:00:49,800 --> 01:00:52,360
And what I'm getting
into now is video form.

1080
01:00:53,010 --> 01:00:54,130
visual storytelling.

1081
01:00:54,860 --> 01:00:57,840
So I am, I've always been
passionate about documentaries.

1082
01:00:58,460 --> 01:01:00,750
I love the storytelling and documentaries.

1083
01:01:00,750 --> 01:01:03,810
I love the fact that they entertain
and they educate at the same time.

1084
01:01:04,560 --> 01:01:08,250
And so I've been fortunate enough
to be involved with some really

1085
01:01:08,250 --> 01:01:11,870
good people who are, uh, direct,
create, produce documentary.

1086
01:01:12,490 --> 01:01:15,530
And so I have some documentary
projects coming up and they will

1087
01:01:15,530 --> 01:01:17,410
be around moving people forward.

1088
01:01:17,900 --> 01:01:19,850
What's the impact we can have on people?

1089
01:01:20,535 --> 01:01:22,005
And telling those stories visually.

1090
01:01:22,205 --> 01:01:23,385
So that, that's coming up next.

1091
01:01:23,385 --> 01:01:24,025
I'm excited about it.

1092
01:01:24,515 --> 01:01:26,125
You have to get Morgan
Freeman to narrate it.

1093
01:01:26,125 --> 01:01:27,855
That just makes any documentary perfect.

1094
01:01:28,855 --> 01:01:31,145
I would listen to Morgan
Freeman read the phone book.

1095
01:01:31,155 --> 01:01:31,605
Right?

1096
01:01:32,115 --> 01:01:34,105
I mean, I'm not kidding you.

1097
01:01:34,105 --> 01:01:36,895
That man, the minute I hear his
voice out of here, I'm like, I'm in.

1098
01:01:36,945 --> 01:01:37,695
I'm listening.

1099
01:01:37,745 --> 01:01:38,325
I'm engaged.

1100
01:01:38,395 --> 01:01:43,785
Yeah, there's two or three guys who have
that voice that you're just like, yes.

1101
01:01:44,945 --> 01:01:46,995
I don't even know what I'm
listening to, but yes, right?

1102
01:01:49,245 --> 01:01:49,725
Exactly.

1103
01:01:49,885 --> 01:01:52,015
Eric, where is the best place
for people to connect with you?

1104
01:01:53,905 --> 01:01:55,115
Oh, great question.

1105
01:01:55,125 --> 01:01:59,845
Um, social media, number one, I'm
the only Eric Rogel on Instagram,

1106
01:01:59,855 --> 01:02:01,645
on Facebook, on LinkedIn.

1107
01:02:01,945 --> 01:02:03,175
Uh, you can find me there.

1108
01:02:03,585 --> 01:02:09,025
And I always say to guys, look,
courage is the number one, um, of

1109
01:02:09,025 --> 01:02:11,485
the sacred seven core values and
courage is there for a reason.

1110
01:02:11,495 --> 01:02:12,435
It's number one for a reason.

1111
01:02:12,965 --> 01:02:14,865
Without courage, you're
never going to move forward.

1112
01:02:15,645 --> 01:02:17,035
You stay in that fear.

1113
01:02:17,175 --> 01:02:18,515
It's going to hold you where you are.

1114
01:02:19,275 --> 01:02:20,185
Tap into that courage.

1115
01:02:20,195 --> 01:02:22,535
So reach out, talk to
me on social media, man.

1116
01:02:22,565 --> 01:02:23,335
I will answer you.

1117
01:02:23,335 --> 01:02:24,445
I love hearing from men.

1118
01:02:24,980 --> 01:02:25,630
All the time.

1119
01:02:26,060 --> 01:02:30,410
So definitely on social media
and then lions raised as lambs.

1120
01:02:30,780 --> 01:02:31,250
com.

1121
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:33,500
There's info on the book there.

1122
01:02:33,500 --> 01:02:34,850
There's info on me there.

1123
01:02:35,180 --> 01:02:38,480
There's a way to jump on, you know,
uh, a mailing list and get some,

1124
01:02:38,500 --> 01:02:40,320
some good stuff from me regularly.

1125
01:02:40,730 --> 01:02:44,480
And you'll, you'll move forward in that
and you'll, you'll find it about anything

1126
01:02:44,480 --> 01:02:49,860
that's going on, you know, anywhere else,
so social media and lions raised as lambs.

1127
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:50,450
com.

1128
01:02:50,975 --> 01:02:53,705
And of course, guys, we'll have all
those links down in the show notes

1129
01:02:53,775 --> 01:02:56,945
or the show description, whatever
platform you're joining us on today.

1130
01:02:57,715 --> 01:03:00,725
Now, I know that you're all
worried about which battle

1131
01:03:00,725 --> 01:03:02,805
William the Conqueror won in 1066.

1132
01:03:03,375 --> 01:03:05,065
You nailed it with Battle of Hastings.

1133
01:03:05,065 --> 01:03:07,215
I've never actually had someone
just tell me the answer before I

1134
01:03:07,215 --> 01:03:08,785
got through the multiple choice.

1135
01:03:08,795 --> 01:03:12,285
So, uh, history buff and, and trivia guy.

1136
01:03:12,285 --> 01:03:16,195
So, remind me not to play
against you in Trivial Pursuit.

1137
01:03:18,645 --> 01:03:20,365
My, my, my dad was that way.

1138
01:03:20,385 --> 01:03:23,985
Like, we, we made him feel his
twice because he was that way.

1139
01:03:25,215 --> 01:03:27,175
Well, Eric, wrap us out.

1140
01:03:27,445 --> 01:03:32,195
If our listeners hear nothing else today,
nothing else in this conversation, what

1141
01:03:32,195 --> 01:03:34,045
is the one thing you want them to hear?

1142
01:03:35,325 --> 01:03:41,445
Everything in your life that's happened
in your life, number one, you create it.

1143
01:03:42,535 --> 01:03:45,725
So take ownership of everything in
your life, the good and the bad.

1144
01:03:46,315 --> 01:03:48,525
You created it and you
created it for a reason.

1145
01:03:49,395 --> 01:03:53,135
And that reason has led you to where
you are right now in your life.

1146
01:03:54,415 --> 01:04:00,065
So take it, own it, know that it's
perfect and use it to drive you forward.

1147
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:04,250
Make it your passion to drive
you forward in your life.

1148
01:04:04,810 --> 01:04:07,280
Reach out to the people who
are ahead of you on the path.

1149
01:04:08,110 --> 01:04:11,760
I always say we stand on the shoulders
of the men who have come before us.

1150
01:04:12,650 --> 01:04:16,590
And at the same time, we are
reaching a hand back to the men

1151
01:04:16,590 --> 01:04:18,120
who are behind us on the path.

1152
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:21,310
You have wisdom and experience.

1153
01:04:21,930 --> 01:04:22,380
Own it.

1154
01:04:22,810 --> 01:04:23,590
Share it.

1155
01:04:24,570 --> 01:04:25,580
Guide others.

1156
01:04:25,970 --> 01:04:29,210
You're perfect and you will move forward
and be the best man that you can be.

1157
01:04:30,660 --> 01:04:33,130
Gentlemen, as always, be better
tomorrow because of what you

1158
01:04:33,130 --> 01:04:34,110
do today, and we'll see you.

1159
01:04:35,440 --> 01:04:37,910
This has been the Fallible Man podcast.

1160
01:04:38,460 --> 01:04:41,880
Your home for everything
man, husband, and father.

1161
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:45,040
Be sure to subscribe so
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1162
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:46,950
Head over to www.

1163
01:04:49,300 --> 01:04:49,520
thefallibleman.

1164
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:57,964
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