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So years ago I had this coworker who
was just falling apart at work one day.
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I mean, just blubbering,
falling to pieces.
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And I was a little beside myself because
I didn't understand what was going on.
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If something was that
horrible, why was he at work?
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Right?
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Uh, I'm very much of a person of, if
I'm at work, I'm at work and if I'm
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at home, I'm at home and, and I don't
let the two cross over very often.
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And he was just falling apart.
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And so finally not really
wanting to get into it.
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'cause I didn't, I just didn't
really wanna get into it.
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I, I finally asked him, I
was like, Hey, are you okay?
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What, what's going on?
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And to my surprise, he told me his
family dog died the night before.
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Now you guys might think I was,
I'm, I'm kind of heartless.
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But I seriously had a W t F moment because
my brain instantly registered and went,
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really, this is why you're a mess at work.
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You're, you're at a professional job in
the middle of an office, white collar
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business, and you are just making a scene,
making everyone uncomfortable, blubbering
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all over the place about your dog.
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Now, you guys may think
I'm entirely heartless.
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That's up to you.
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But it took me a while to learn
a lesson that I learned that day,
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and I think it's important for you.
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And so I wanna share that with you today.
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In this episode, I'm gonna explain
why empathy is critical for men
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to understand, to have the kind
of relationships we want to.
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So let's get into it.
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Here's the million dollar question.
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How do men like us reach
our full potential?
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Growing to the men we dream of being
while taking care of our responsibilities,
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working, being good husbands, fathers,
and still take care of ourselves?
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Well, that's the big
question in this podcast.
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We'll help you answer
those questions and more.
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My name is Brent and welcome
to the Album MAN podcast.
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Welcome to the Falbo Man Podcast,
your home for all things, man.
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Big shout out to Falbo Nation.
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That's our private community,
and you're welcome to come
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join us and be a part of that.
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There will be links in the
description below to help you do
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that if you're interested in that.
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Warm, welcome to our first time listeners.
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Hey, thanks for giving us a try.
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Checking us out today.
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I hope you enjoy the show.
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Leave me some feedback.
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I'd love to hear your
ideas and opinions on it.
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My name is Brent and
I am the fallible man.
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Empathy is a word that tends to
make us squirm a little as men.
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Maybe it's just me, but I don't
actually think I'm alone in this.
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I could be wrong, but really I think more
of you are are right there with me on
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this than maybe even want to admit it.
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The first problem is that we
frequently get confused between the
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idea of sympathy versus empathy.
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So sympathy and empathy both
refer to a caring response to an
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emotional state of someone else.
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But a distinction between them
is typically made while sympathy
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is feelings of sincere concern
for someone who's experiencing
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something difficult or painful.
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Empathy involves actually
actively sharing in the emotional
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experience of the other person.
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This is where we, we get
uncomfortable because we don't always.
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Click with the idea of sharing
someone else's emotional
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experience, and the definition of
empathy doesn't help us out much.
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In this case.
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The definition of empathy according
to the dictionary, is the action
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of understanding, being aware of
being sensitive to, and vicariously
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experiencing the feelings,
thoughts, and experience of another.
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So let me take a second here and, uh,
unpack this a little bit and, and kick
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this one in the teeth just a little bit.
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Okay.
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Because the second part of that
definition is a crappy sentiment.
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That's not really accurate.
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I know you're going, wait.
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You know, Brent thinks he knows
better than the dictionary.
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Yes.
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Yes, I do actually.
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In fact, it's this nonsense that
makes men uncomfortable with
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it because it's an emotional
concept instead of accurate data.
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Look at the last part of that definition,
vicariously experiencing the feelings,
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thoughts, and experience of another.
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That's just dumb.
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And I, I, I'm gonna get in trouble
for this, so when I get kicked off
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the airways, you know, guys know
it came down to this statement.
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A woman wrote this definition.
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Men never would've
written this definition.
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You cannot experience someone
else's feelings, thoughts,
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or experiences, vicariously.
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You are not them.
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You're not built from the same exact
background, experience, influences,
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or pressures that made them.
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It's actually impossible to do more
than understand it conceptually.
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It is just a fact.
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We, we've talked about it many times
on this show that you are the sum
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of all of your experiences, your
influences, the pressures, the trials,
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everything you've gone through, all
the influences through your life.
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That is what actually makes you unique.
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It is impossible to vicariously
experience someone else's
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feelings, thoughts, and emotions.
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It doesn't work.
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Let me give you a practical example.
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I'll back that up.
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Let's go back to my coworker
that lost the family dog.
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Dude was tore up.
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I mean, straight up sobbing,
falling apart at work.
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Now I was raised in a household
where my mother was raised with
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a farming background and I,
my first job was on a ranch.
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I liked my dog.
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Don't get me wrong, you're gonna
be like, oh, Brandon's animal.
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I like dogs, okay?
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In fact, I'm a dog person and
dogs like me beyond reason.
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I don't know why.
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They're just like attracted to me.
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We hang out.
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I make friends with
random dogs all the time.
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I've had friends who told me their
dog was gonna attack me, that the dog
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was cuddled lip in my lap in seconds,
because that's where they wanna be.
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They wanna hang out with me.
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So I'm a dog person to an extreme,
and I've had several dogs over my
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lifetime, but I have never broken
down a loss to over one dying.
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This goes back to the fact that
my mother had a farm background.
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I spent time working on a ranch in high
school, and animals are part of life.
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They're part of the life cycle.
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They come, they go, and yes, I like my
dog much better than I like a random cow.
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But it's still not a person.
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And to me it's not the same experience.
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So in, in fact, ridiculously, not only
am I a dog person, I'm also the, the
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one that people and my friends call to
take their dogs to the vet when they
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need to be put down after they, if
they get sick or age to a certain point
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because of the more humane thing to do.
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But they, they're too broken up
to take their dog 'cause they
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just couldn't be there for that.
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Okay.
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I've held people's hands
when they're dying.
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I've taken dogs and had 'em put down.
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I've put dogs down.
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Like I said, ranch kid.
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It was not possible for me to experience
my colleague pain because we're from
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two different worlds on this idea,
my very favorite dog in my life.
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I put it down because it got
sick and it was in pain, and
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I didn't wanna see it suffer.
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It was inhumane to me, so I put
it down and I buried my dog.
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That's just part of my life.
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I could not like fathom the
emotional state which he was in.
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What I could do was understand
that my colleague was deeply upset.
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I could not empathize with him.
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I could not understand the pain he was
in or vicariously experience that with
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him because I thought it was stupid
like, I didn't, I didn't say anything.
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I wasn't mean, but I was like,
wow, this is ridiculous and stupid.
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Go home if you're gonna be a little bitch.
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Right?
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All I could do was go, my
colleague is deeply upset.
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I could be aware that the
day was difficult for him.
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I could be sensitive to my interactions
with him and his current emotional
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state, which means I was much
less of an a-hole that day to him.
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And that's a nice way I, as I can put it,
'cause we didn't always see eye to eye.
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That was empathy.
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Let's go back to the first part of
that definition that actually makes
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sense and, and forget the rest.
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Okay.
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So the first part of the definition
is the action of understanding,
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being aware of and being sensitive
to the feelings, thoughts, and
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experiences of another person.
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Not vicariously, vicariously
and exp experiencing it.
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It's the reason that guys
struggle with this idea.
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You don't have to experience it and, and
you're not going to actually, you can make
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it all up in your head, but that's stupid.
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Don't do it.
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The empathy that I could express for him
was that first part of the definition.
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So why are we talking about it?
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Why, why am I making
a big deal about this?
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Empathy is critical.
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It's an absolutely critical component
of healthy relationships, professional,
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romantic, plutonic, and parental.
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You have to have empathy and
you have to exercise empathy.
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You have to master it to be successful
in all of these types of relationships.
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So how do we master this so we
can have better relationships?
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Well, the good news is
empathy is actually a skill.
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It's not a foregone conclusion.
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It is something that can be
learned, grown, fostered, and.
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You know, moved along to where
you're good at it, actually.
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But where do we start by reframing what
is required at a more male perspective?
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Like I said, that definition
had to be written by a woman.
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Someone was gonna hear this and,
and I'm gonna get it both barrels,
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but let, let's reframe it at a more
male perspective because Right,
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we're data-driven and that's okay.
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I'm not saying you don't
have emotions and feelings.
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I'm saying you have a
data-driven sense of information.
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So if you want to be empathetic,
here are some data points you need
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to ask about to reframe the situation
so you can be empathetic, right?
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Is the person that you're interacting
with more emotional or logic driven?
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Do you know what their
personality type is?
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Do you know how they communicate best?
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How does they, what's
their thinking style?
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Like, how do they process things mentally?
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I.
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From their perspective, not
yours, see that this is a
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legitimate feeling for them.
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Now, you don't have to
understand what they're feeling.
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And please, please, please, especially
in negative emotional situations.
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Don't try to liken their experience
to one of your experiences.
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I think that's where the whole vicariously
lived experience crap comes from, right?
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If you've ever lost somebody you
love, okay, let's take that a step.
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Let me explain why I'm saying here.
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If you've ever lost somebody you love,
someone very close to you, a parent,
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a sibling, a, a spouse, a child.
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Grandparent, your anyone, like
super close to you, a friend even.
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Right?
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How negatively do you respond?
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Respond when someone walks up to you
and tries to be empathetic and goes,
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oh, I know, I know exactly how you feel.
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I, when I lost my dad, I never come so
close to punching somebody in the face.
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That is the last thing.
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I actually shielded my friend, a
different friend at his dad's funeral
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because he was going to punch somebody
in the face when they started talking.
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That nonsense.
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Don't try to liken their
pain to your experience.
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It belittles their feelings and
it has gonna, it's gonna be me
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even more negative for them,
whether they say anything or not.
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You don't even have to speak sometimes
to understand that they're experiencing
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a feeling and our processing it.
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Sometimes words aren't the right option.
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Good feelings have this case.
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Negative emotions have this case.
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Sometimes you just don't need to speak.
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Sometimes you just need to let 'em
experience that feeling that might be
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sitting with 'em for long periods of time.
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When my friend's dad died, I jumped on my
motorcycle and I went to go see him and
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he was like, dude, I don't want you here.
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I don't want you here.
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I don't, I don't wanna
be with anybody I know.
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And as I sat there quietly, he
started yelling and ranting.
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He was so angry.
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He had so many strong emotions.
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Later that night.
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He's like, dude, I'm, I'm sorry
about earlier I yelling at you.
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I was like, no.
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That's why I came.
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You needed somebody to yell at
you needed somebody that you could
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blow up at and decompress this.
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That's why I came.
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He didn't need me to talk.
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He didn't even need me to listen.
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He just needed somebody to yell at.
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I was being empathetic because I
understood my friend was hurting.
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And I understood what he needed because
I understood his personality type.
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I understood his thinking
style, his perspective.
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Right.
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These are the questions you ask.
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You don't have to, now I'm using a
lot of negative experiences, right?
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But there are are positive emotions
that we experience that you want
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to empathize with too, especially
with like your kids, right?
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But sometimes we don't know how
to do that because dad, you're not
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necessarily feeling their feelings.
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You're feeling a feeling.
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I love it.
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When my children are happy.
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It perks me up, but it doesn't mean
I can experience their feeling.
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It does mean that I can recognize
that they are experiencing a feeling,
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they're experiencing a positive.
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So I taking the action of
understanding, being aware of, and
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being sensitive to what's going on
with their thoughts and feelings
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as they're experiencing with them.
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That's still empty.
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Gentlemen.
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It'll take you a long way in
all of your relationships.
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You just have to let them experience
their feeling, their feelings, be
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cognizant of the fact they're dealing
with an emotion or a feeling positive,
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r ne negative and react with kindness.
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Kindness is, is like the coda gra
it's, it's the topper on top of it.
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Okay?
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This is the cherry on top of you
eat that crap on your ice cream.
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I don't, my kids like them.
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But this is the cherry on top.
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Okay.
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React with kindness to their feelings.
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I let my friend yell
at me for over an hour.
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It's what he needed.
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It was a kindness that I could offer
him in a moment when he was struggling.
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This works in positive
and negative emotions.
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It works with your kids.
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It worked with my coworker.
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I sat there, I thought it was stupid.
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Okay, hear me?
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I thought it was absurd and ridiculous and
embarrassing that a grown man was reacting
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that way because I am not capable of
understanding what he was going through.
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However, I sat there and I let him
talk about his dog, and I offered
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him options like, Hey, if you need
to go ahead and go home, I, I can.
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You don't gotta be here.
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I'm here.
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Right.
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If you need the rest of the day off go.
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'cause I could do that, right?
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I could listen to him talk about his dog.
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I could be less of an asshole to
him that day than I normally was.
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Kindness.
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I understood.
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He had a feeling I could not do more
than understand and be cognizant of his
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feelings and that he was experiencing
that, but, I could do that and I could
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react with kindness, which is what I did.
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I did not say, wow,
aren't you a grown man?
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What the hell?
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Right?
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I could have been that jerk.
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This works positive and negative
emotions with your kids, with your
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coworkers, with romantic relationships.
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Kindness goes a long
way in these situations.
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Don't believe that and overcomplicate
the idea that you have to experience
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their emotion, feel the feels, man.
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You just have to understand they're
having an emotion and react with kindness
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to that good emotion, bad emotion.
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React with kindness.
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I promise it will take you a long
way in all your relationships and,
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and that's what empathy really is.
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My coworker noticed a difference in our
interaction that day and actually brought
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it up later, like a couple weeks later.
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He is like, man, I, I guess even you
can relate to losing a family pet.
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You know, I, I appreciate.
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I was like, I told, I, and I,
I was honest with him, right?
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Because we were past the emotional moment.
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I said, you know, in total, honestly,
I, I don't understand your reaction.
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I, I was raised very differently.
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I was raised the animals come and go and,
uh, I, I totally thought it was insane
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that you were reacting that strongly, but
I said, you know, I understood you were
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having a bad day and, and that was enough
that, that's all I had to understand.
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You were having a rough day.
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So I tried to be kind in that moment.
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We had a better relationship after that.
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Like, it, it was crazy.
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It, it really kind of changed
the course of our relationship.
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Don't overcomplicate it guys.
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Acknowledge it, recognize it.
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Understand that they're gonna do need
some things that you may not understand to
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process through that feeling and be kind.
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And that's the key to empathy.
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It's easy data, and then a
positive action on your part.
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That's all.
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Don't make it complicated.
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Don't make it stupid.
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You can do this, I promise.
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You'll be an empathy master if
you exercise a few data points.
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And a little kindness Guys.
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It's Friday, so I wanna share
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that here on the show on Fridays.
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Five star review from
Love before a hundred.
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So good.
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I'm so happy this podcast exists.
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I love the episode on how to navigate
relationships in a digital age.
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Super helpful, practical tips.
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Thank you.
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Love before hundred.
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Thank you so much for the review.
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Thank you for listening.
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You're very welcome.
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Uh, I love it when you guys
call out specific episodes that
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just really clicked for you.
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'cause it helps me to know
what kind of content I need
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to keep making for you guys.
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Guys, you've got this.
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Empathy is not complicated and it
will be a turn point in a lot of your
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relationships for you if you listen
to this and take this advice today.
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As always, be better tomorrow
because what you do today,
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We'll see you on the next one.
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