Our Relationship with Yellowstone ft Casey from Western Sounds Podcast

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Speaker 2 00:01:20

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Speaker 4 00:01:23

What is up, weirdo? You're listening to the man at 50 Weirdo. I'm Abigail, your host, and this is the podcast where we talk about all the different kinds of relationships that we have in our lives. And this week, we have a very special guest, casey, tell everybody a little bit about you and where they can find you.

Speaker 2 00:01:39

Abigail, I'm really happy to be on here with you. So I have a podcast called Western Sounds. That's kind of how we got that's how we got introduced. And so a little bit about my podcast. It's called western sounds. You can find it anywhere where podcast spotify, anything like that. And you can find the socials for it on Twitter at western underscore Sound. Same thing on Instagram and Western Sound podcast on Facebook. It is about Western music that you won't really hear on the radio, rodeo, news, and anything else that might pertain to Western culture. I am a vet tech. I grew up in Wyoming. I'm going to school to be a vet and I love everything to do with Western culture.

Speaker 4 00:02:32

Oh, that's so cool. Yeah. I'm really excited to talk to you because we met in a Twitter space and we kind of connected in that space, talking about like, music and things like that. And this week we're talking about Yellowstone, the television show. So if you don't know anything about the television show, go watch it. It's really, really good. We are going to talk about it, but this is going to be a spoiler free episode. So even if you haven't seen it, it's going to be fine. There will be no spoilers. But, Casey, tell us, what's your relationship with the show? How did you get into it? What was your reaction to it when you first saw it? Just all this stuff.

Speaker 2 00:03:16

All right, so the first story that I heard, I can do Yellowstone a little bit later than a lot of people, but the first thing that I really heard about Yellowstone was one of my friends was showing at the National Rain Cow Horse Association. I don't know if you know a lot about what that is. Pixie.

Speaker 4 00:03:40

Oh, no, I don't.

Speaker 2 00:03:41

I've talked about it. Okay, so it is where Rain Cow horses go to show at one of their big events, Yellowstone. The show was actually a sponsor of this event because Taylor Sheridan, the director, is a big supporter of the Western sports culture and cutting cow horse as a general rule, and they had a big banner on the side of the arena at this event. Well, I heard that a couple of people's horses in this event had spooked at the sign and subsequently been marked down. And so in the aftermath of that, I heard that Taylor Sheridan decided to go through and pay each and every one of those contestants whose horses got spooked back their entropy because they were at a disadvantage because of his advertising, and they did take down the poster in the second round of the event. So that made me really want to go watch the show, actually, because I was like, wow, this guy seems like an upstanding guy. He's from Texas. He grew up in this kind of industry, and he's been a big supporter of it. And through watching the show, this is not a spoiler, but in the show, there is a horse featured prominently, I think, in season two, and it is Metallicat. Metallicat is one of the leading producing sires in the national cutting horse association and the national rancow horse association. So this show is a huge supporter of the Western performance horses industry as a whole.

Speaker 4 00:05:25

Oh, wow. I didn't know that's. Fascinating. And I did not know that about Taylor Sheridan.

Speaker 2 00:05:35

He's a really cool guy. I got to meet you. I got an opportunity to meet him once, and he's an upstanding guy.

Speaker 4 00:05:41

Oh, wow. I'm jealous. I'm super jealous. So when you first saw the show, what was your reaction to it? Did you love it? Did you hate it? Did you have a character that you really resonated with?

Speaker 2 00:05:55

Yes, so I actually really resonated with the character of HaCy, no pun intended, but it's funny. And so I really related to him coming back to land and not giving too much away about it. But this show is a lot about progress and when society and culture moves forward, you being stuck in one place, and I've seen that happen in my hometown. I live in Jackson, Wyoming. I don't know if you know.

Speaker 4 00:06:43

Oh, my God, I'm so jealous.

Speaker 2 00:06:45

Yeah, it's a beautiful place to live. But Jackson in itself is kind of a town stuck in 50 years ago, 60 years ago, with the Western motif and the way that infrastructure is also stuck 50 years ago, too. That's not important. It took me 30 minutes to get to work this morning.

Speaker 4 00:07:11

Oh, my goodness.

Speaker 2 00:07:12

Yes. But my family's been here for seven generations, and we actually homesteaded on a little piece of land called Oxpo Bend, one of my great grandparents great grandparents did, and another one homesteaded on More Monroe. And I don't know, have you seen the pictures of the famous barn, like, out in front of the Tetons?

Speaker 4 00:07:40

Yeah.

Speaker 2 00:07:44

That'S a few places down from my family's old homestead. And so the theme of your family ranch getting sold and losing the land that your family has been on for generations hit home for me really hard because back in the days of the Great Depression, rockefeller came through and bought up a ton of land in the greater Jackson Hole area, and he ended up forming the Grand Trujillo National Park, which is great. It was a great thing that happened. But at the time, some of his methods for acquiring the land might not have been the most savory. And I love what he did with the land, but he came through the Depression better than a lot of people. And it has been said that he took advantage of these people who are down on their luck, bought this line for way under what it was worth at the time. But it was a Depression and everyone.

Speaker 4 00:08:53

Yeah, everybody down on their luck except for John D. Rockefeller. I have a feeling.

Speaker 2 00:08:58

Yes, exactly. And so seeing the land that my family homesteaded and grew up on being taken away is something that the Duttons can relate to. And so it hit me kind of in a guttural way, and that feeling and I've had a lot of mixed feelings about the show because some of the directions that have gone in made me have to think about a lot of things that I believe in, a lot of things that I relate to.

Speaker 4 00:09:31

Do you mind if I ask you? Like what?

Speaker 2 00:09:33

Yeah. So the patriarch of the family is always going on these long, rambling speeches about how he wishes that or he's something that never changes. And he's constantly everything in the world is moving. And I kind of feel like that sometimes. I feel like I'm a constant in the land that my family does still have, that we are constant in the world of Jackson Hole and the greater us around us that is constantly changing and evolving. And so there's a part of me that definitely wants to hold on to that kind of idolic place that we are in, this place that we have been on for hundreds of years. But at the same time, I know that there are better ways to do things. There are better ways to use our land and there might be better ways to move forward. So there's a balancing act that goes on for me. And that balancing act has played out really well in the show as well because you see Beth and Casey and everybody else trying to reconcile with progress versus tradition and you see all the characters in it having to make the choice between whether they want to move forward and succeed in this new world or be stuck in a world that they are living in.

Speaker 4 00:11:19

Yeah, it's really powerful, and I think it's an incredibly well written show. And all of the characters, like, the character development for each character in the show is just really phenomenal. And I actually am a little bit upset and a little bit angry that the show has never won anything. I have my own theories, kind of like, as to why that is. But one of the characters well, the character that I resonate with the most is Beth on the show.

Speaker 2 00:12:00

I had a feeling that's.

Speaker 4 00:12:05

Beth on the show. And for those of you that don't know, she is a feisty woman. She is a powerhouse. She is all business, no nonsense. I just resonate a lot with her on a lot of different emotional levels, as well as not just emotional levels, but on just like a regular level of like, I could go to lunch with this person and be completely happy. I know who this person is. In my core, I know who she is. And that might be controversial to say because she is a very controversial character, but I think that they all are. And one of the things about this show that is really, really interesting is that there's not really a good guy in the show. Like, everybody has their own struggle, everybody has their own things that they are dealing with in their own way. And there's a lot of fight and push and pull with all of the different factions and things that are happening within the show. And I think it's just very well done. Would you agree with that, or am I just, like, completely off?

Speaker 2 00:13:29

No, I think you're completely on base there. I think that it's a lot like Game of Thrones in that way, where there isn't exactly someone who you can root for the whole way. Let's hope that it doesn't spiral out in season eight and end up with Beth killing everyone.

Speaker 4 00:13:47

Right.

Speaker 2 00:13:52

They do kill a lot of people, but it's fine.

Speaker 4 00:13:55

Yeah, that's the show. That's kind of part of the show.

Speaker 2 00:13:59

That's part of the appeal.

Speaker 4 00:14:01

Yeah, it really is. And as one of the characters that my husband, it was really funny because when I very first saw the show, my parents are actually the ones that showed me the television show. And then I showed my husband. And the character that he resonated with the most was Rip. So I was like, this is perfect.

Speaker 2 00:14:25

That is perfect.

Speaker 4 00:14:28

It was a match made in heaven kind of thing. But it's just really interesting to me, like, how everybody seems to have a character that they just, like, resonate with the most and the characters, and it's all based on the personality of the individual. It doesn't really have much to do with the actions that the character takes within the show. It has a lot more to do with the personality of that individual character. Is that what drew you to Casey, or was there something else?

Speaker 2 00:15:01

No, that was exactly what drew me to Cay. I relate to him on a lot of levels. He's a little bit more introspective. He is a little bit more I don't want to say forward thinking, but he is a little bit more open to change, as opposed to the rest of the Duttons who are kind of stuck in their ways. And he did end up having this falling out with some of his I relate to that too, and not as much as others, but he kind of fell away from the path that was laid out for him, and I feel like that's something that a lot of us can relate to. I relate to that a lot, but I really enjoy it. There is some things on the show that make me cringe badly.

Speaker 4 00:15:59

Oh, like what?

Speaker 2 00:16:01

So a lot of the depictions of the rodeo events are extremely cringy at times, and I know that it's hard to do in a.edu setting, and I know that they did their best, but a lot of the stuff that they do as far as the Roping and that kind of thing, I grew up roping put me through my first two years of college. I went on a college radio scholarship for my first two years, and then I'm taking a break for a little while now. But it's hard to see the things that you love not portrayed accurately at times. I totally get what it was.

Speaker 4 00:16:49

Oh, my gosh. I totally get it. Is there anything else that you would nitpick about the show? Let's nitpick for a second.

Speaker 2 00:16:55

Okay. Let's get into the nitpicking. The fist fights over story arcs. There are a lot more. Let's have these characters fight for no apparent reason just because they're here and they're both angry. Some of the stuff that Beth does, I feel like her characterization falls apart a little bit in season four, but they really did a good job bringing it back in the season finale. Again, some of the stuff, how it's portrayed, but I know that it's really hard to do that and that they did the best job that they could.

Speaker 4 00:17:38

That's okay. Tell us about it. Let's hear it. I'm all for it. Let's hear it.

Speaker 2 00:17:44

The actors, obviously, aren't people who grew up riding horses and stuff, and so some ways it's a little stuff like the way that they hold their reins or the way that they hold a rope or stuff like that. It bugs me a little bit because I grew up ranching and rodeoing and stuff and stuff. It's a little stuff like that that gives me. Other than that, I really do enjoy the show. I think it's high drama. I think it's fun at times, but it's also super serious and that's great. What are your nitpicks?

Speaker 4 00:18:27

I would have to say I have a couple of net picks with Beth. I think that and they're like, super nitpicky. There are things that I don't think that she necessarily, like, I wouldn't have chosen for her character to do that because that's just not how I would have seen it play out to a point where it's almost like, melodrama for Beth and that's just not who she is. That's not how I recognize the character. And I think that has a lot more to do with how it's written and, like, the scene structure rather than I don't think that's the actor's choice. Like, I don't think they have a choice in that. And then little I would say that the fifth fighting and stuff like that, that does get a little bit excessive because I am from Texas and even though I didn't necessarily grow up around, like, men in that way, I know people that have grown up in those like in that grown up in those circles kind of thing. And that's not how they would act all the time. It doesn't necessarily have to be like, just because, like you said, just because you're mad doesn't mean you have to get into a fist fight with somebody. Sometimes it's definitely cool to go take a walk and that's perfectly acceptable.

Speaker 2 00:19:56

Yeah.

Speaker 4 00:19:58

You know what I'm saying? I don't know if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 00:20:00

No, that makes complete sense. As someone who grew up in these circles, I completely agree with you. I've gotten a number of fist fights in my life, but I've been also been in a lot of situations where the situation was handled way better and everybody came out better for us.

Speaker 4 00:20:25

Yeah, I totally agree. The other thing and this is like super NIT picky just like, about the script, but like, yes, there is a lot of cussing and a lot of that sort of, like, naughty language, I guess you would call it in the show. We don't all talk like that kind of a thing. That's not how it is all the time. One of the things that I do think that the show does well, though, is that I think that there is an element of it trying to play on some of the stereotypes. But I do think that it does try to sort of get away from what those stereotypes are as far as, like, the like, we don't all sound like this kind of a thing, if that makes sense.

Speaker 2 00:21:16

Yes, it does. And also, it doesn't turn anyone into a caricature of themselves, except for maybe Beth for a little bit. And that's the time that I had an issue with what her character was doing. I agree with you there. That is the only real character that I didn't really feel was realistic was when that was going on. But no one really is a caricature of what their given role was. They all had depth and nuance to themselves. And I feel like that's really important. Even your characters who you're supposed to not like, have some depth to them. And even my second least favorite, Jamie oh, my gosh, has a lot of depth to him and he is still dealing with things that have been ingrained in him since a young age. Yes.

Speaker 4 00:22:23

I totally agree. He's also one of my least favorite characters. And it's not just because I think the actor does a great job with Jamie. It's just like the way that the characters portrayed in the show. He's one of those characters you're not mental like very much.

Speaker 2 00:22:41

Yes, exactly. Is this a theme? Are all characters named Jamie meant to be hated?

Speaker 4 00:22:49

I think we can solidly say that it is up in the air for that. But I will put it this way. I don't think I've ever met Jamie that I didn't not care for.

Speaker 2 00:23:03

Yeah, I agree with you there.

Speaker 4 00:23:08

So you said Jamie was your second least favorite character. So who's your first least favorite character?

Speaker 2 00:23:20

It's close, but all of the animals. And I know that's going to sound stereotypical with me to say, but all of the things that they are saying are so ill informed for me. I have several degrees in agriculture and so it's hard to listen to people who are not informed talk about it. Yeah, that's it. I really don't like a lot of the animal rights activist characters.

Speaker 4 00:24:05

Yeah. I don't know if we're meant to like them or not. I'm conflicted on whether or not as a viewer, we're supposed to like them.

Speaker 2 00:24:20

I think they're supposed to represent change again. And so I think it's meant to be left ambiguous and that's how it should be. And I think the directors, everyone involved, does a good job of not siding with either side. They make both sides. They present the facts on both sides very well. It's just hard for me to hear some of the things they say because some of the stuff they say is just not true.

Speaker 4 00:24:56

Yeah, totally get it. Yeah, definitely. So could you, like, name a specific time when that happened and you were just like, cringe? No, that's just like completely wrong.

Speaker 2 00:25:13

I'm trying to think of the exact it was one of the times that they were blocking the road. The quote from that scene, I can't remember what exactly the animal rights activist said because I was cringing. That hard. But the quote from one of the characters in the scene is like, if I had spent 30 minutes trying to figure out ways to mess up my day. Mess up my day. I couldn't have thought of this. That's the one from the scene. I can't remember what they said exactly, but the animals are treated cruelly and that sort of thing. It's just not true. And that is as an agit, as a I can't think of the word right now as a spokesperson, I guess, for agriculture. It bumps me out think that people treat I'm sorry, I'm stuttering a lot on that. It bums me out to think that people think that we treat our animals that way because that can be further from the truth.

Speaker 4 00:26:49

Oh, yeah. And just for the record, like, the vast majority of people that have animals and have farms and things of that nature are incredibly good to their animals. First of all, it doesn't make a lot of sense to treat your animals like trash in those scenarios because that's how they make their living kind of a thing. And it's difficult too. I could totally see how it would be very difficult to hear to hear that, like, hear somebody think, like for somebody to say something along those lines of you mistreat or definitely that you mistreat your animals when that is just for the vast majority of people. That's just not the case. I don't know. You have a lot more experience and knowledge on that. That's just how I that's just from the background that I know of, that's just simply not true.

Speaker 2 00:27:58

Yeah, I don't know anyone who the few instances of which I have seen it the excessive or not treating animals kindly, I have been outraged about because it's not okay ever to hurt an animal unduly and to hurt an animal in general is always a terrible act. Everyone who I associate with are good stewards of agriculture and good stewards of their animals. And I wish that more people saw how people like me and the people who I am around treat our animals instead of just broadcasting the bad. I wish that more people saw the good.

Speaker 4 00:28:57

Yeah, I think that would be wouldn't that be nice?

Speaker 2 00:29:04

It would be nice in general just to look more on the good. But bad news sells.

Speaker 4 00:29:11

Yeah, this is true. It does. So we're going to take a quick break and then we will be right back.

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Speaker 4 00:30:48

And we're back. Sorry about that, but we're back and we are talking with Casey about Yellowstone, the television show. But I did kind of want to take a quick side quest because you have a background in agriculture. So could you tell us a little bit about that and kind of like, what got you interested in that? Because I'm a little bit I'm sorry, I'm just like, I'm a little bit Add, and I just wanted to find out a little bit more about that.

Speaker 2 00:31:15

No, I love to talk about agriculture. So I grew up here. My grandparents own a ranch. I don't live on a ranch right now, but we do have two cows that live 40ft from us and a bunch of horses. But it's not a ranch. We just have a couple of four age steers that my sister is raising. So I grew up doing I started rodeoing when I was six, seven years old, and I started doing four h when I was eight. Do you know what four h is?

Speaker 4 00:31:49

Yes, I do.

Speaker 2 00:31:51

Okay. For those of you who don't know for those of you who don't know, it is an agriculture program for young adults, and it gets you involved in different projects where you can raise an animal, you can do leatherworking, there's sewing, there's so many different things you can get into through forage also helps you pay. Through my college, they have a great program that not only teaches kids about agriculture, but teaches kids about responsibility, respect. I can't name the rest of the pillars, but there are six pillars that teaches kids about and there is leadership programs through it. And it just affords a ton of opportunity kids to not only get more involved in agriculture, but also get more involved in. And so when I was growing up, all of my friends were in forage all of us did forage. We all rodeo together. We all did forage we all raise skiers every year. And it was a great time. We got to come to the end of the year and present something that we worked on for a whole year. And, like, we have one month, basically, where we don't have four h gears in the summer and then we get our next year's, fourAGE years. And it was truly a blessing because it taught me the value of hard work, how working on something for an entire year can bring you so much joy and so much deeper satisfaction than any one thing. Seeing something through for an entire year is such a satisfying thing for me and it gave me a love for hard work and taking care of animals, and that's what led me to go into veterinary medicine. I'm applying to vet school this fall and I'm so excited. I can't wait to continue to help animals and I really want to go into Equinox production. That's what I want to specialize in when I get out of that school. Wow. Yeah. We breed a bunch of horses. My uncle has a ranch in Texas. We have a couple of mares there, and getting to see the first one of those the world was just incredible and that made me want to free horses.

Speaker 4 00:34:39

Oh, wow, that's amazing. I love horses. They made me really happy. Wow, that just, like, makes my heart, like, happy for you. Oh, I hope you get to do it. Oh, my goodness. I really hope you get to do it.

Speaker 2 00:34:55

Thank you. I'm going to need that hope when I'm applying to that's goal this fall.

Speaker 4 00:35:02

Oh, you're going to get in. I have faith in you.

Speaker 2 00:35:05

I sure hope so.

Speaker 4 00:35:07

I have faith in you.

Speaker 2 00:35:10

Anyway, sorry, side tangent.

Speaker 4 00:35:14

Yup, tangent side quest. But that does bring us back to Yellowstone because they do have a lot of forces. How does that ever make you like I know that there are certain rules for. Like. Sets and things like that where they can't hurt like. They can't hurt animals on sets and there's very strict rules about what they can and cannot do with animals and stuff like that. But has there ever been. Like a scene in Yellowstone where you're just like.

Speaker 2 00:35:43

Oh.

Speaker 4 00:35:44

My gosh. That horse is scared. Or something? Like, was there ever a scene that you watched with an animal in Yellowstone that you were like, I've been there, I know what that's like. That's a really scary feeling, or that's a really good feeling. Do you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 00:36:00

Yeah, I do. So I'm going to spoil the very first scene of the very first episode, if that's all right with you.

Speaker 4 00:36:06

That's totally fine.

Speaker 2 00:36:08

Okay. So in the very first scene, there is a car wreck that involves a trailer and it cuts to a horse having to be put down because it's hurt really badly. And I've been there. I had to do that. It wasn't my horse, thankfully. But that's a terrible, terrible. Feeling. My buddies got in a car wreck two weeks ago, and they had a horse trailer, and one of their horses passed. That's the scariest thing, because when you're driving with a lot of horses, it's always in the back of your mind that you not only have your life that you're taking care of, you have their lives that you're taking care of. It's stressful and nerve wracking, but I related to that. There have been some scenes where I felt like the force handling could have been better in Yellowstone, but a lot of cases they do a really good job. I know that they're not all horsemen, but for the most part, it looks like they take really good care of those horses and they do a really good job. I had seen some of the horse, so I had a buddy sell one of his horses to Taylor Sheridan to be in the show. So I was like, yeah, I know. Yeah.

Speaker 4 00:37:43

Oh, wow, that's fantastic. Good for him. I hope that works really well. Taken care of.

Speaker 2 00:37:50

Yes, it was. I've heard only good things about how animals are triggered on that's, so good.

Speaker 4 00:37:58

Well, that makes me feel a little bit better.

Speaker 2 00:38:00

Yes.

Speaker 4 00:38:03

So you might know a little bit about this. I don't really know anything about bull writing. Do you know anything about it?

Speaker 2 00:38:12

I know quite a bit about bullriding, yeah. I never wrote bowls in my brutal career, but I have a lot of friends who rode bowls. I have practiced with them. I've helped all their practices. I know quite a bit about it.

Speaker 4 00:38:26

Okay, so I guess my first question about bull writing is how accurate it is. So Jimmy there's this character, Jimmy in the show, and through A Series of Unfortunate Events, it is determined that he would be really good at bull writing. I don't know how accurate that would be. I don't know how accurate that is, but that's what happened to the show. I guess my first question is yeah, how accurate is that and what is that like? Because it looks terrifying. First of all, I don't know if we decided that was a good idea, but I'm more concerned with the second person who is like, that looks like a blast. I'm going to do it, too. It looks very scary.

Speaker 2 00:39:23

Let me wax poetic about rodeo for a hot minute, because I can go off on a big old side quest about this. So rodeo started when one guy got on a horse and got bucked off, and his buddy was like, oh, well, I can sure ride that wrong for longer than you wrote it. So he got on the same horse and he wrote it for longer. And thus rodeo began. And it evolved into two groups of. Like. Two ranches getting the ranch hands together and seeing who could rope calves and get them branded quicker. Who could ride Bronx better. Who could do that. And eventually got put in that bull riding would be one of the events because bulls are the most dangerous animals on any establishment. Followed closely by mayors that are in heat. But that's a joke. Anyway. Never been on a bowl. Like I said, I have been on a few Bronx in my day. I actually rode three Saddle Bronx courses in practice because I was considering entering a college rodeo. And with saddlebaron writing, I hope that my parents don't listen, they don't know about it. But yeah, I got on a couple of cyber courses practice because I really wanted to try and get some all around points. And I had the time in my life I decided not to because I didn't want to get hurt and jeopardize my opportunities in my other events. But ball riding is one of those events that you have to be a little bit off your rocker to do it. All the good ball riders, so I know, are a little bit off the rocker, but they are crazy fun to hang out with.

Speaker 4 00:41:35

Oh, I bet you got to be a little bit crazy to get on one of those things, I think.

Speaker 2 00:41:42

Yes. And so the typical bull rider is not like a lot of other rodeo athletes. They're normally a little bit smaller and shorter than a lot of radio athletes. Like, I'm six foot tall, nice. But I am taller than every really good ball writer who I know. And it helps when you're short like that to be closer to the bowl so that they don't have as much move. You don't move as much on top of them because if you're really tall, yeah, it's all physics. And so if you're going to ride Saddle Bronx, you kind of do want to be a little bit taller because then you can use your legs to balance yourself a little bit better. And if you're going to ride bareback horses, then you just have to do good. So in bareback riding, it's basically a suitcase handle that is strapped to the back of a horse and you put your hand through. And the reason that I said that you have to be stupid to ride bareback horses is a lot of times when you put your hand through there, it has a bunch of rows and stuff on it. And so if you don't pull your hand out in a very specific way, you will get stuck on the back of a bearback horse and you will get hurt. You will get hung up and hurt. And so, yeah, you couldn't pay me enough money to get on a bearback horse.

Speaker 4 00:43:25

For this piece. I don't know that's riding without a saddle and it can be quite painful.

Speaker 2 00:43:31

Well, not exactly. There's two aspects of bronk riding in rodeos. There's saddle bronk riding, which is where there's a saddle and you have a bronk rain. And there's bareback riding where there is a rigging is what it's called, and it's strapped horses back. And like I said, it has a basically a suitcase handle that you hold onto with one hand and your other hand has to be up in here. And so that's all you get to hold onto to try and stay on this horse that is fucking and trying. It's hardest to get you off back.

Speaker 4 00:44:10

No, thank you. I'm out.

Speaker 2 00:44:12

Yeah, I'm out, too.

Speaker 4 00:44:17

Oh, my gosh.

Speaker 2 00:44:19

Sorry to go off on a rant on you.

Speaker 4 00:44:24

No, it's good. That's why we're here. It's really interesting. I really love to know all this stuff. Okay, so then I guess I have a question for you. Another question for you. There's this scene in the show, and it is one of the shenanigan things that, like, occurs where they're trying to find something for Jimmy to do. He's kind of the I don't know if you're a Harry Potter fan, but he's the Hufflepuff of the group.

Speaker 2 00:44:52

He is definitely the Hufflepuff.

Speaker 4 00:44:54

No offense. The Hufflepuff. We love you.

Speaker 2 00:44:57

He's at least the Neville of the group.

Speaker 4 00:45:00

Yeah.

Speaker 2 00:45:02

Early books. Neville. Not late books.

Speaker 4 00:45:04

Yeah, early books. Novel. Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So there's a scene where they are riding horses and they bring in another not rodeo, another ranch, or like the owners of another ranch or something like that, to the Dutton ranch, which is like those are the main characters. The Dutton are like the main people in the show. And what they're doing is they are starting from one end of this. It's not really in a regina, but it's like a ring. And they're running the horses and then they're stopping, I think, and trying to see, like, where the horses stop. Is that accurate? Do you know what I'm talking about?

Speaker 2 00:46:03

Yes. So in Raining, there are these things called sliding stops. And it's where the horse put a large amount of their weight on their hind end. And I just realized that I was doing hand motion audio platform Casey. So they put a lot of weight on their hind end. They get up a big head of steam and they put a lot of weight on their hind end. And they use all the big muscles in their butt to push their back feet into the ground and slide. And they're creating eleven. And so there's a lot of terminology and stuff and like, sling because of that. But it's doing sliding stops in that scene, they're seeing who can do best stops. And the horses in that scene are incredibly impressive. From a horsemanship aspect, those horses, especially with people who aren't trained horsemen, that is incredibly impressive.

Speaker 4 00:46:59

Is it really? Okay.

Speaker 2 00:47:01

Yes.

Speaker 4 00:47:02

Could you explain a little bit about why yeah.

Speaker 2 00:47:06

So to get a horse to do a sliding stop is not necessarily a natural thing for some horses to do for some horses, but to do sliding stuff like that incredibly impressive. And so when you tackle when you add that into people who aren't trained horsemen, who haven't ridiculous their whole lives to be able to perform those maneuvers in and make it look that good and do all of that and make it look cinematic like they do and all of that. It's incredibly it's a lot of things that have to come together in just that way. And those are really impressive horses.

Speaker 4 00:47:59

Oh, wow. So, okay, this is going to sound like a really stupid question, but I just don't know how else to phrase it.

Speaker 2 00:48:07

Go ahead.

Speaker 4 00:48:09

What is the purpose of doing that? Is it simply just to see? Like I don't even know.

Speaker 2 00:48:16

Okay. I'm not sure if raining starts out this way, but the best way that I can describe raining is through a raining cow horse kind of perspective. So in the raining cow horse, there are two aspects the raining and cow work. The cow work is where you work a cow on the fence. You have to demonstrate that you have control over that cow, that you and your horse have control over that cow and make the cow do a number of maneuvers, like stopping it on the fence and circling it. And that's the thing. So that is demonstrate your horse's cow ability. The reigning end of that is much different. You have to demonstrate that your horse is controlled in your hand and that it is still light on its feet. So it does like, spinning maneuvers, and it does those sliding stops because those demonstrate your control over your horse and your horse's ability to work with you. And so it's all about demonstrating that your horse like a team member, demonstrating that you and your horse are a team. And so one of the reasons why it's so impressive that they can do that is because I know for a fact that those guys did not train those horses. And so it's all the more impressive to see them get on the horse that they had probably written for days, if not if a week, maybe, and see them do these incredibly complex maneuvers that we train horses to do when they're two years old. To see these guys do it is incredibly impressive.

Speaker 4 00:50:08

Oh, wow. It sounds a lot cooler when you explain it, and it makes the scene make a lot more sense because when I very first saw that scene and I was like, I don't know what's happening.

Speaker 2 00:50:22

Yes, I guess I haven't thought about it that way, but a lot of them wouldn't really make that much sense that you haven't kind of been around it a little bit.

Speaker 4 00:50:29

Yeah, well, I mean, like I said, I think I've been to one rodeo in my entire life. I was very sheltered as a kid as far as that stuff was concerned, and so I just didn't have a lot of exposure to it. But all I know is that it looks really cool or it looks really scary, like the bull riding looks really scary. Don't want to do that, those kinds of things. But it's a lot more interesting now that I have some background and now that I understand. Yeah, it seems like a lot more impressive. I feel like we've been even answering a bunch of questions. Just to clarify stuff for me, let's talk more about you. Do you have a favorite scene and a least favorite scene in the show.

Speaker 2 00:51:19

Like, out of the show total, so show total. Again, I always go back to that first scene because it demonstrates an understanding of what it is to be someone in agriculture that sometimes you do have to make those tough choices. And I feel like that is a metaphor for the show at large because it is these big industrial machines that came along and replaced horses, and they end up being the death of this beautiful horse in the beginning. And it is kind of a metaphor for the entire show, where the big automated world is coming for the Dunton Ranch. And it's going to end up being the same man's hand who has to end it, has to make the choice to end it. At some point, the Duttons aren't leaving by someone else's hand. They're going to have to choose. It's going to be on their terms that they're going to leave. And at the beginning, I had to choose to put that horse down. And it has to be the same way. It's a metaphor for the entire show, and I love it more and more every time I watch it. Least serving has to be that scene with Brands activists again. What about you?

Speaker 4 00:52:53

Oh, goodness. I think one of I don't really have, like, an absolute favorite scene, but I have, like, a bunch of little scenes that I don't know that are, like, my favorite. So, like, one of my favorite scenes in the show is sort of like a funny moment, but when you really look at it, it's kind of sad. And that scene where Beth basically, she just strips down completely naked. She goes and she gets, like, a heating rod from the barn, and she, like, puts it in the trough, and she just hit in the trough. And Jamie comes over to her and is like, what are you doing? You can't do this today. Like, we have other things that we have to do, like blah, blah, blah, all this stuff. And she's like, do you know what day it is? And it's later revealed that it's the day that her mom died. And we later see sort of the repercussions of that and, like, how it really affected her and sort of like, what kind of person her mother was to her. And it's just a scene that's really resonated with me a lot just because I do identify with that character so much. And so that's probably, like, one of my favorite scenes in the show. It's a very early scene in the show, but it's a little bit funny when you, like, very first see it, but once you really sort of understand the context of it, it's a little bit deeper and a lot more, like, harsh, I think. And probably my least favorite well, one of my least favorite scenes in the show. I don't know. I can't really think of anything off the top of my head, but anything with that lunatic I forget what his name is now. Oh, my gosh, the guy from California. Anything with him in it is just like it just makes me want to hurl something at the television.

Speaker 2 00:55:02

Yeah, you know what I'm talking about. I know exactly who you're talking about.

Speaker 4 00:55:08

I cannot for the life of me think of his name. But he's this guy from California, and he comes in and he thinks he's like this big shot guy. He's going to come in and he's just going to tell all these people how it's going to go and what's going to happen and what they're going to do, and they're all just going to bow down to him.

Speaker 2 00:55:27

Just the looks that they give him.

Speaker 4 00:55:31

Yes. But he's also probably one of my least favorite characters, and I don't think that we're supposed to like him in the show.

Speaker 2 00:55:41

No, I don't think we are either.

Speaker 4 00:55:43

Yeah. I don't think that he's meant to be a character that we're supposed to root for.

Speaker 2 00:55:48

He's one of the ones who doesn't have a lot of I can't see really many redeeming qualities with him, and I think that's definitely on purpose.

Speaker 4 00:55:59

Yeah, absolutely. I will say, though, that as far as the characters are concerned, I do think that Casey is probably the one that would be like beth, I would say, is Chaotic Neutral. Like, as far as if you were going to classify the characters, I would say Beth is like Chaotic Neutral. I would say that Casey is more on the chaotic good side.

Speaker 2 00:56:32

Yeah.

Speaker 4 00:56:33

She's one of the only ones that you could really put in that category without, you know what I'm saying?

Speaker 2 00:56:40

Yes. Sorry for interrupting you. He is the closest thing to a protagonist that we have in the show, in a show that we're not really supposed to have a protagonist. He's the closest to, like, a Ned Stark type character that we really have.

Speaker 4 00:57:01

Yeah, I think so too. Well, thank you so much for coming and talking to me about this. Oh, my gosh. I'm going to have to get you back on to talk about all things agriculture and vets and animals and all the stuff, but tell everybody one last time where they can find you.

Speaker 2 00:57:17

Okay. You can find me on Twitter at Western, underscore Sounds, at Instagram, at the same name, Facebook, at Western Sounds podcast, and you can find our podcast, Western Sound, anywhere where pods are cast. Thank you so much for having me on, Abigail.

Speaker 4 00:57:33

Oh, thank you so much for coming. I hope you had as much fun as I did.

Speaker 2 00:57:37

I had a ton of fun. I love talking about you.

Speaker 4 00:57:40

Oh, yeah. Well, thank you guys so much for listening. I really appreciate it. You can check me out on Twitter at infywrito podcast. You can find me on TikTok and Instagram the one. You can also check me out on manifestoadcast.com. If you liked what we said, if you didn't like what we said, if you have your own thoughts and feelings about the show or you just want to send a listener email, you can send that at to manic 64 protonmail.com. Thank you guys, once again, so much for listening. I really do appreciate it. And thank you, Ki, for so much for coming on. I really enjoy talking to you, and I really hope that you had a good time.

Speaker 2 00:58:19

I had a great time. Thank you again.

Speaker 4 00:58:22

Absolutely. We'll definitely have to get you back on. As always, guys, be kind and stay weird. Have a good one.