212. Supporting Your Natural Ability to Heal - Greg Wieting

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karagoodwin
Hello and welcome to the meditation conversation I'm your host Kara Goodwin and today I'm joined by Greg Whiting Greg is a healer who helps leaders and entrepreneurs heal. The anxiety depression chronic pain and trauma that they can't. Think or talk their way out of he developed the framework he uses to help others through healing his own anxiety depression and chronic pain which was rooted in trauma. This included an unraveling a severe spinal curvature and standing three inches taller today and I really can't wait to hear about that. That's remarkable. So welcome Greg I'm so glad you're here today.

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Greg Wieting
Thanks for having me Cara Wonderful to be here.

00:46.48
karagoodwin
So can we start by you telling us a bit about your journey and how you ended up in a position to help so many people with their trauma.

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Greg Wieting
Sure you know I was introduced to energy medicine kind of by so by chance. Um, you know I have a dear friend who's a massage therapist who offered me a massage this is twenty five years ago and I was living in so much chronic pain that physical touch just was too painful I did not want to massage so she said what about some reiki and introduced me to energy medicine which you know I had never heard of but I had implicit trust in her and you know jumped right in.

01:17.50
karagoodwin
Um, little guy.

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Greg Wieting
And realized I found something I didn't even know I was looking for. You know, just this lifelong holding and this chronic tension and pain just started to soften and melt and I felt like I was able to catch my breath for the first time in my life so that was pretty remarkable. And just that 1 session and so um, you know when I I found when I find something that strikes me like that I jump I jump in headfirst so within a year I moved to Seattle and I started studying Reiki for pretty much 4 years straight and my.

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karagoodwin
Um, amazing.

02:08.92
Greg Wieting
Teacher introduced me to meditation which launched me to nearly a year in India when I came back to the states that kind of led to kind of studying yoga and ayraveda I started to kind of seamlessly piece together all of these practices and when I moved to San Francisco I um was sharing these practices with a cohort and 1 of my students was a therapist and she said you know you're teaching trauma-informed healing and at that point I knew I was healing my own trauma but I didn't really have the framework for understanding trauma. And so she invited me to be her teachers assistant at the California Institute of integral studies where she was teaching trauma. Um, so I can offer mindfulness-based practices to help the students and so that's where I started to develop kind of the trauma and neuroscience lens that I'm you know now.

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karagoodwin
Who.

03:05.76
Greg Wieting
Applying to the somatic and mindfulness based practices and the energy medicine that I I practice and teach today.

03:13.28
karagoodwin
Wow. Well that that's beautiful and and really fascinating. Um I'm curious about how for your on your own journey if you want to talk about that. How the sort of trauma-informed piece came into it because um. You know with traditionally like with with Reiki for instance, which you mentioned um, you know you don't necessarily need to go in There's not necessarily There doesn't need to be a mental piece to it. You know it's really just around that flow of energy. So. I'm really curious about the combination of that trauma informed healing and how that kind of worked for you.

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Greg Wieting
Yeah I had found even in the world of Reiki and energy medicine. There was a lot of a lot of practice that was not trauma informed. There was um, taking a deliberate. Action to cause a particular effect to try to open up energy to try to move energy which isn't necessarily supporting the body's natural tendency to healing. It's trying to impose some sort of agenda on what healing should look like or. Trying to direct the system towards an end goal and so you know the trauma-informed piece is really following the energy following the body's wisdom as opposed to directing it and guiding it so bringing you more of that that subtlety and that nuance to really honoring.

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karagoodwin
Hence.

04:50.37
Greg Wieting
You know each individual and um, you know holding space to support them just where they're at as opposed to you know, forcing them into a balance that they may not be ready to integrate you know in. In the healing world I've heard the term healing crisis. Um, and you know where people go through big shifts and big transformation. But it turns out to be what people then label as a crisis and I look at that as Healthcare Mismanagement I look at that as too much too soon. Which is often what trauma is you know a lived experience that's too much too soon for the system to fully be able to process absorb make sense of and so I see a lot of that being.

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karagoodwin
Are in.

05:40.69
karagoodwin
That's a fascinating way to think of trauma I Love that too much too soon. Um.

05:48.57
Greg Wieting
And so I think that gets reenacted in the healing space right? I think as practitioners we want to get results for our clients and our students and we can use the the power of our own will to move Energy. Um. And and that's not trauma informed right? that can do more harm than good. Although it can often kind of get big results more quickly but are those results safe and sustainable or um, do they you know create. And do they destabilize our clients which can actually make their healing. Um, you know a bumpier road than it needs to be.

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karagoodwin
So how do you What does it look like in terms of because it's um, you know you're working in a space beyond the thinking and the talking you know when you're working with people. It's like what they haven't been able to heal through their mental. Bodies or through like traditional talk therapy for instance or psychotherapy so can you talk a little bit and maybe this is where you talk about Prisma which is your framework for overlaying trauma neuroscience and energy medicine with somatic and mindfulness-based practices. Um I don't know if that's you know where we want to take this to kind of dive into that more or if if there's a better way to kind of talk about how how you're using energy medicine to go beyond what we can think think and talk ourselves through but also not. Um, you know it sounds like there's still an element to that does that make sense.

07:36.14
Greg Wieting
So I look at working in a trauma informed way helping helping us make contact with our innate wisdom. So I'm not really focused on trauma as much as I help people heal it. Um, my work is to just help people become more aligned with their own innate wisdom which is a term in Chiropractic. You know that innate wisdom is what heals a paper cut. It's what sends plate tolets and proteins and orchestrates all these biochemical transmissions.

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karagoodwin
A.

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Greg Wieting
Um, and but when there's stress when there's trauma when there's environmental toxins and hereditary influences. You know our nervous system shorts circuits and we lose contact with that innate Wisdom So I look at Healing. It's just. Bringing us back into contact with that innate wisdom and that's where healing just happens and so you know I look at you know the body the mind and the spirit as a Symphony orchestra and so when we're in balance and we're experiencing Health. All the different parts of the orchestra are in communication and there's a musicality of being.. There's a harmony and a balance you know So That's between our hormones and our emotions and our thoughts our memories. Our muscles. Our organs our endocrines our. Neurotransmitters You know the ligaments the tendons on and on and when the nervous system does short circuitrcuit. You know all of a sudden some some of that communication starts to break down and that's when we start to create a lot of noise and the noise starts to express itself as our symptoms. And our illness and so you know instead of trying to he fix or heal Trauma. We're just breaking up the noise we're just you know we're just addressing the breakdowns in communication which then.

09:39.59
Greg Wieting
Help us return to our natural state of wholeness and when we kind of remember our Wholeness. We've developed more capacity to then make sense of and metabolize. You know the traumatic imprints of adverse experiences. According to our own wisdom and on our own terms and in our own timing. So then healing is more of a happening as opposed to a doing.

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karagoodwin
Um, okay, well so how how what did this look like for you in terms of your spinal curvature. Um listeners of this show and I think I shared with you kind of in our earlier communications. Um, well anyway listeners will know that my my daughter has curvatures in her spine. So I always like that always catches my attention. Um, when when someone approaches and and has some sort of ah. Experience with something like that. So I'd I'd be really keen to understand how how that worked for you because that's remarkable that you were able to unravel that curvature and and which resulted in like a three inch difference in your height.

10:48.85
Greg Wieting
Well.

10:58.30
Greg Wieting
Yeah, you know so prior to me discovering this body of work. You know I would go to other Healthcare professionals that would try to.

11:12.24
karagoodwin
Um, and.

11:14.76
Greg Wieting
Force my system into a certain balance right? Let's adjust your spine to you know straighten you out and so it was like this top-down approach trying to you know direct my system into a balance that it wasn't ready to integrate right? It wasn't actually.

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karagoodwin
Is.

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Greg Wieting
Addressing You know the curve in the spine was really just the tip of the iceberg a symptom and so if we're busy, chasing treating or suppressing symptoms. You know, um. You know we're going to have pain and symptom management at best and certainly pain and Symptom management are necessary at certain times in our healing. Um, but they're not really addressing the causative root factors that are you know, beneath the surface and so you know for me. All of these practices the somatics the mindfulness the energy medicine we're helping to look at Well. What's beneath this spinal curvature right? Let's start to understand what are the factors that are holding the spine in this in this holding. Um. And while there may be some genetic piece. It's like the genetic piece is often kind of the fly paper for you know trauma to latch onto right? And so if there's already a predisposition towards some imbalance then harsh lived experience can start to compound that. And so you know for me again I look at Energy Medicine was helping to calm the cardiovascular system regulate the nervous system you know Balance Immune function or boost Immune function. So You know those 3.

12:58.56
Greg Wieting
Qualities of Energy medicine alone are just really nourishing The body's innate ability to heal and you know the mind training that is mindfulness is helping us reorient. Our.

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karagoodwin
Yeah.

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Greg Wieting
Our awareness from pain to possibility and it's helping to dissolve identification with pain right? So if we're if we're wearing pain almost as a costume or a mask and if we start to believe that we are that costume or that mask. It becomes kind of a self-fulfilling prophecy where we just have become further embedded in that pain body. So the mind training is to Zoom out and really observe the pain body recognize that that is not who we are and. In that space. There's kind of a recognition of something that's perhaps more real more authentic to who we are and so as we reorient from pain. We can come into a place of of full presence and then the grip of the pain body. You know that was. Holding my spine. You know again, organized around trauma so that was a lot of protection that was a lot of guarding that was a lot of hypervigilance you know a lack of safety beliefs that the world is dangerous and out to get me so you know I look at. Energy medicine and healing is really subversive. It's helping to dissolve these beliefs and these constructs of who we are and what we believe the world to be and as we start to dissolve those constructs. You know how they have a grip on our body you know starts to dissolve as well.

14:43.56
Greg Wieting
You know the connected tissue in fascia is what holds the muscles and the bones together and so um, it also happens to be where we store memory emotion and trauma so we can start to address the residue and the imprints of trauma that are stored in the tissues.

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karagoodwin
And.

14:55.13
karagoodwin
Um, men.

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Greg Wieting
That's going to help us clear up chronic Inflammation. You know that's going to flush out the stagnation of emotion I look at Disease and illness as stagnation and health as movement and Expression. You know so energy Medicine Mindfulness Somatics help us kind of. Feel What historically was too overwhelming for us to feel so we can start to take up residence and inhabit ourselves our bodies our life and as we bring in more presence as we are able to land inside our bodies that allows a lot more. Agency a lot more choice.

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karagoodwin
I Love that speaking of all of that being stored in the fascia the memory and the the um the emotion. Um, how important do you think it is to.

15:57.77
karagoodwin
Consciously connect with the trauma meaning how important is it to bring the actual memory to the surface or because there are some schools of thought that talk about it. Being you know like oh you can actually like you can work at this at the energetic level and you don't have to go into the story. For example, you don't have to go back there and feel unsafe again or or whatever. But then there are other schools of thought that that. I Mean especially you know, talk Therapy. For example, you know that's kind of the hallmark of it. It's like let's uncover it and and kind of get to it through talking so that we can even figure out what it is because it's something that we don't want to look at you know through our conscious. We're you know we're suppressing it. We're choosing to suppress it. So um, what are your thoughts on that suppression versus and dealing with it completely energetically versus the need to remember.

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Greg Wieting
Yeah I think when we start to just resolve it on an energetic level it broadens our window of tolerance. So we have a greater capacity to be with what is so then.

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karagoodwin
Um.

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Greg Wieting
If and when it is necessary to process it intellectually we have the capacity to think about it without it flooding our nervous system and without the reenactment and without the the overwhelm. Um.

17:27.28
karagoodwin
And without feeling unsafe. Yeah.

17:31.59
Greg Wieting
You know and I look at that's the paradox of healing we develop enough safety So then we can process What historically is felt unsafe and that's where we can hold paradox where we can be with wounding that has been organized around terror that has been organized around.

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karagoodwin
And.

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Greg Wieting
You know that which we can't even name and also have the capacity to be Okay, so deriving enough okayness to be with the terror that once would have been just too overwhelming to even touch or look at or name.

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karagoodwin
Um.

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Greg Wieting
And this is unique for everyone. You know I had a client that you know in our first call excuse me had named you know some of the early early childhood trauma that was impacting them and that was bringing them to you know our work together and months into our work together.

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karagoodwin
Are.

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Greg Wieting
You know they said Wow I was just doing the dishes the other day and I had a completely different like relationship to those memories and to that person and in our time working together. We never discussed that person or those events or that trauma.

18:38.16
karagoodwin
Who.

18:48.12
Greg Wieting
We were just helping them connect more to their and innate wisdom. So now they have a different relationship to that experience. It's not to say that now we don't talk about different behaviors and beliefs and identity constructs that have been organized around that wounding. Um.

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karagoodwin
That is.

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Greg Wieting
But again their body's guiding that process. So sometimes I'll be working you know, energetically and a client will say wow I just had a memory that I have literally not thought of since the event took place at age 7 So sometimes the body is innate. Wisdom will surface a memory but we didn't go digging for it.

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karagoodwin
Choose.

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karagoodwin
Um, yeah.

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Greg Wieting
And we didn't pull it Out. It's like their subconscious was able to bring it to Consciousness. You know everyone processes differently So some of us process top-down where we actually need to make sense of things intellectually for us to then land in our bodies. Um, and then others process. Bottom-up where we need to kind of feel our way through it in our bodies before the light bulb goes off in our brain. But what I love about and that's kind of what I think a model that traditional therapy would discuss and.

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karagoodwin
The.

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Greg Wieting
But I love about Energy Medicine is ah it helps us process multidirectionally so we may process a memory stored in a body part and then all of a sudden you know we start to behave differently or we start to have different thought processes or we may shift a belief and then.

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karagoodwin
Are.

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Greg Wieting
All of a sudden the physiological function of an organ or the mechanical function of a joint starts to shift right? because that thought or that belief was actually impacting physiological or mechanical functioning. Um, and yeah, one of the.

20:31.15
karagoodwin
Yeah.

20:34.96
Greg Wieting
I Think the value so many of my clients as students find in healing is that we'll have a session and after our work together I Just encourage them to go live their lives and to actually not overthink our work together and sometimes just to forget the fave and you know spent their time with me just because the more we are. You know that innate wisdom that heals that paper cut it heals that paper cut while we're having this conversation while we're sleeping So It's healing that paper cut without us having to think about it or analyze it. So the more we just get in tune and in touch with that innate Wisdom. Healing just happens despite us.

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karagoodwin
That's beautiful. Thank you for that and um, you really have a way with words like you have ah a really really gifted way of putting words together I don't know if you've thought about writing but um. Like really enjoying how you how you weave conversations very beautiful. Um, but also what you're talking about is um, it. It makes me think of a ah. Ah, personal kind of um, multidimensional or interdimensional experience that I had where because sometimes I will just have these kind of rather spontaneous um, kind of ah experiences and. One night it was um, seeing kind of my my body or a human body as like so and they were like it was comprised of slices and the way it was like these all these slices of a human form. All so put together so it looks like 1 person. It was actually I was seeing it lying like horizontal and I was I was laying down I I thought I was going to go to sleep and and then I I started kind of not sleeping but journeying. Let's say.

22:42.76
karagoodwin
And um so it was like all these layers that were in that looked like 1 one human form and one of the um realizations or the the kind of wisdom that came through with that. Um.

23:01.43
karagoodwin
Well one piece was just that we are like all these versions of ourselves and that even you know we're holding all of that within us we're holding all of these different experiences that we've had across time you know, including you know. Potentially like past lives future lives and all of that and it's all here stored in our human form and I also understood just like what you're saying with the fascia I'm not sure I've heard that before specifically with the fascia with the memories and the the emotions and that we're holding that in the Fascia. Um. But I was I had this understanding that like I hold information in my body just using me as an example because I was like I'm closest to me I guess but it was like oh I can think of something or someone and then I there's a. A place within me that activates because that's where I like store that person and the same with memories and um and strangely it was It was actually ah happen to be my dad's birthday when this happened and so it was like my dad flashed up. And I knew where in my body I think it was like my arm like my right arm kind of lit up and it was like okay, my dad's like I store my dad and my right arm for example and then it was also like wolf came up at the same time.

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karagoodwin
Which is weird because I wouldn't consciously put those together even though I mean my dad loves dogs. Um, but I don't see him as like a wolf like what I would you know what we kind of how we would maybe ascribe the characteristics of a wolf I don't ascribe to my dad but but it was like oh I store Wolf. There too or a nearby so it was like this and it was like oh and it was just what it was. It wasn't like I mean maybe there is meaning there but um, but it wasn't like that at that time it was just kind of like oh there that's near where I store wolf.

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karagoodwin
And then I understood too. You know oh I carry everything in this body. Um, everything has like a place where it's stored and then I understood the importance of and that things get stored there until I release them. And so it is through everything wants to be seen was how this was how I was experiencing. It was that um it can create blockages when we deny it or when we don't want to see it and then when we do when we do see it and we accept it. It. It opens it up and then it can be released but until until we do come into acceptance then we just hold it and it just waits until we and and like you're saying kind of until it's time or until we're ready until we have the capability. To release it to see it to witness it and release it.

26:04.20
Greg Wieting
Yeah, the you know the subconscious and the unconscious mind live inside the body and all the different parts of the body are organized around a particular consciousness and particular beliefs right? So you know.

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karagoodwin
Are.

26:16.10
karagoodwin
Are.

26:18.74
Greg Wieting
And we this is demonstrated in our language you know we carry the weight of the world on our shoulders. So the shoulders are very much tied into the consciousness of responsibility How we each relate to responsibility is unique. You know and the healing journey helps our relationship to that consciousness become more neutral.

26:29.53
karagoodwin
Um.

26:38.61
Greg Wieting
But for some of us we may feel the weight of the world and we may feel burdened by responsibility where others may feel very empowered by responsibility right? So responsibility you know can be neutral, but our lived experiences are going to then influence you know.

26:48.37
karagoodwin
Um, when.

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Greg Wieting
Our behaviors and our beliefs and the emotional residue that gets stored let's say in the shoulders you know and on and on for every part of the body you know ankles are about decision making knees are about taking steps forward. So you know if we are storing.

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karagoodwin
Um, yeah.

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Greg Wieting
The imprints of trauma and the emotional content and residue of traumatic experience in these body parts. It's going to distort not only their physical mechanical physiological function. Um, you know the behaviors and beliefs organized around taking steps forward and decision making. You know are going to become compromised so that's going to make it hard for us to you know have be decisive that's going to be hard for us to take steps forward and so that's the healing journey is starting to really map the narratives we hold right? The stories We tell Ourselves. Um.

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karagoodwin
Yeah, no.

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karagoodwin
Looking.

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Greg Wieting
You know and trauma will often you know create a fragmentation in the storyline of our lives and so healing is to create more of a cohesive and unified narrative one that. Can help to uplift and guide us right one that can help to expand the aperture of possibility because you know the lie of trauma is we can't and it's organized around alienation isolation fear and and healing is around connection and possibility. Um. And really psychological trust and so much as possible as we start to develop that that cohesiveness and so you know and kind of back to your question earlier. You know sometimes that will you know take us to. Unearthing a specific memory and speaking the unspeakable and when we can name victimization. It can help us no longer be a victim. Um, but that happens for each individual in their own time right. If it happens at all right? and there may be other folks that are able to process something more on the subconscious and no longer carry that um and it may not have to process through the conscious mind and so there's no 1 right? or wrong way.

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karagoodwin
Yeah.

29:13.50
Greg Wieting
Each individual's own innate Wisdom will kind of guide that um, guide that journey in ah in a really personalized manner that Honors. You know what's you know the unique makeup of lived experiences that are part of that person's you know. Life story.

29:33.84
karagoodwin
That's beautiful I'm really curious to know your thoughts on um, the chemical imbalance myth. Um, you say that the chemical imbalance myth is a dangerous lie so I would love to hear. Your your thoughts and experience with that.

29:52.80
Greg Wieting
Yeah, so well, a lot of us you know in our culture. We've been taught that chemical imbalance is what's creating a lot of depression and anxiety I don't even like to use the term mental illness because I look at mental illness more times than not as just.

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karagoodwin
You.

30:12.14
Greg Wieting
Unresolved trauma and so and there's so much stigma around mental illness and so I like to flip the script on that that what if anxiety and depression are actually a healthy response to an unhealthy world or a healthy response to unhealthy circumstance. But if we're taught that chemical imbalance is what's actually. Creating you know, anxiety or depression and then we are given a treatment to treat the chemical imbalance. It really gets in the way of us understanding that unresolved trauma and the lack of a secure attachment are more times than not. You know, contributing factors to a chemical imbalance. So if we're taught that we can just treat the chemical imbalance with a medication without actually addressing these other contributing factors. It's going to develop a dependence on a medication that's just managing and treating a symptom. Without Addressing. You know the underbelly and so and further it actually hasn't been proven that chemical imbalance does cause anxiety or depression and so just the research isn't there. So.

31:10.41
karagoodwin
A.

31:23.40
karagoodwin
Um.

31:27.50
Greg Wieting
You know I have a psychiatrist that refers patients to me. Um, he was you know treating 1 of his clients and she just no longer needed medication and he said what are you doing and she said well I'm working with Greg and to his credit a lot of times I've seen clients who. You know have no longer needed medications and oftentimes medical doctors will just say well I must have it must have been a misdiagnosis right? and to his credit his you know ears perked up his eyes perked up and he said you know let me reach out to Greg to learn more about his work. Um.

31:52.44
karagoodwin
He.

32:04.46
Greg Wieting
And so he sends patients to me with ptsd and complex trauma because he he's recognizing that he you know his skill set is helping helping people manage their symptoms which again is sometimes necessary right? So I.

32:15.26
karagoodwin
And.

32:19.67
Greg Wieting
I Think there's a time and a place for everything I'm all for an integrative approach and as much as I've helped many of my clients reduce or eliminate their dependence on antidepressants and pain meds and anti-anxiety meds. You know, many of my clients are also happy to kind of have a balance of medication while addressing and healing trauma.

32:34.20
karagoodwin
So.

32:38.63
Greg Wieting
So it's not 1 or the other I'm all for an integrative approach I want people to find their balance that is right for them. Um, and yet if we start to do a lot of this subterranean work to address. You know.

32:46.89
karagoodwin
Um, me.

32:55.82
Greg Wieting
The subconscious and the unconscious mind and the impact of trauma chemical imbalance will start to clear up. You know Hormonal balance will start to clear up Immune function will start to become Um, you know come online. You know the nervous system will start to Land. Um. And as heart rate starts to you know Calm. We develop you know more and more capacity to heal and we just reclaim you know more of our own. We just reclaim ourselves and so in that sense. You know there's There's the body has a remarkable capacity to heal. Um, and again sometimes medication helps us do that healing work. Sometimes it can get in the way. Um, and yeah, so.

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karagoodwin
Yeah I Love that? Yeah, Thank you? That's really fascinating I I didn't realize that the chemical imbalance issue hadn't hadn't ever been Proven. You hear it so Much. There's a chemical imbalance. You. Yeah I Just kind of took it for Granted. So Thank you? So How can people find out more about you and working with you.

34:10.83
Greg Wieting
Sure yeah gregwhiting dot com you can learn more about my 1 on one work. You can learn more about correct. Yep and there's also a link there to prismamethod.com and so yeah, my online course in community.

34:15.89
karagoodwin
And that's WIETING.

34:29.83
Greg Wieting
Is where people can learn kind of the trauma and Neuroscience roadmap. You know I find a lot of folks. You know myself included when I started I was in therapy for years and I knew you know I was on the right track but I didn't really know where I was or where I was headed and so having a map can be really useful to get your bearing straight.

34:41.88
karagoodwin
And then.

34:49.42
Greg Wieting
Um, the 7 prisma pillars are kind of the drop pins on that map which yeah, really help kind of help us understand this trajectory from pain to purpose. Um, and then the semitic and mindfulness based practices to kind of use that same metaphor I look at is kind of the Gps you know and they' helping us do that mind training to shift from the limitations and the identification of pain to the expanded possibility of you know of healing and health and then the energy medicine component. You know that's really the vehicle to heal the subconscious and the unconscious mind you know. To regulate the nervous system and help us land inside ourselves.

35:37.60
karagoodwin
Beautiful. Well thank you so much. Greg thanks for being here today. Thank you for all the work that you're doing to help so many people through their own healing of their trauma and it's so needed and um. And I really appreciate your approach and I look forward to your book.

35:55.89
Greg Wieting
Thank you? Yeah, that's you know, but my online course you know the workbooks in there. All the all the contents there. So it's just a matter of reworking it into a book format. That's like thanks for the encouragement. Thanks.

36:07.49
karagoodwin
Yeah, my pleasure. Thank you.