293. Paranormal Mysteries: Investigations into Chilling Deaths & Hauntings - Mark and Barbara Nelson

 [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to the Meditation Conversation, the podcast to support your spiritual revolution. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin, and today I'm joined by Mark and Barbara Nelson. Unlike your typical all American Nelsons, mark and Barbara are the Para Nelsons, a leading husband and wife, paranormal investigative couple.

Kara Goodwin: Mark is a talented psychic medium who discovered his ability after the murder of his father. And Barbara combines her own psychic sensitivity with knowledge of paranormal investigating equipment. They've worked with Sci-fi as ghost Hunters, haunted history and paranormal Witness. 

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Kara Goodwin: So welcome, mark and Barbara.

I'm so happy to be with you today.

ParaNelsons: Hi Kara. Thank you. Nice to meet you.[00:03:00] 

Kara Goodwin: So, You too. Can you, let's start by just talking how you came into this work that you're doing today and how your psychic skills developed. maybe Mark, we can start with the link between your father's passing and your work.

ParaNelsons: Sure. Well, I was a pretty typical little kid until one day dad went to work and then he didn't come home, and then we found out he, had

been killed in a holdup, we think, in a mafiaa run bar in New York. after that, we, I mean, we were trying to deal with it. I'm the oldest of six kids.

We were trying to cope with what we had experienced. So, flash forward a month after his funeral, I'm out raking leaves. It was fall trying to be normal when I felt the need to turn around. When I did, I saw my dad standing there.

I didn't know. 

Kara Goodwin: just like flesh and blood, like as

ParaNelsons: I wanna say 90%, 95%. I'm looking [00:04:00] at him. And that's dad.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm.

ParaNelsons: I wasn't going it is a shoe tied or anything,

but I mean, very clearly, very much dad felt very physical in how

he presented himself. And his message was, I'm okay. I'm okay, and, you will be too. And then he just went away and it was just shocking to me 'cause I'm a little kid

Kara Goodwin: And you'd never had an experience like that?

ParaNelsons: nothing like that. Although I was accused of teachers of being quite daydreamy and looking out windows all the time and

not paying attention. Maybe I was tuning into something else unconsciously. So, and then I saw him again at school. and then I finally said, dad, I don't know what to do with you. I'm afraid I'm losing my mind, so please go away. And he did for about 25 years, something like that. Until, one day I was taking a walk in the evening and I was just thinking to myself, I wish my dad could've met Barbara,

could've, [00:05:00] seen our home, met our daughter Katie.

And then I heard this voice say, I have. And then, so I thought, okay, so this is what the onset of schizophrenia is like.

Okay, great news. and so

trying to cope with it, I asked if this is really Dad, tell me something I don't know. He did. I went and validated it. What was about a brother? I validated that. Then I had the scary, then I went back and I. Asked for more information just to see, is this a fluke? Is it not? And then I went to, I finally had to tell Barbara, I sure hope this doesn't, make our marriage come apart, but I think I'm seeing dead people.

I'm hearing dead people. And she was accepting and supportive, and I thank God for that.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Yeah.

Wow. I completely relate to that because there are times where, and I'm not a psychic medium, but there are times like my, where I'll hear things and I know that I'm, I know that I [00:06:00] can hear it and I know that other people wouldn't be able to hear it. A lot of times I'm by myself, but I'm like, oh, that wasn't an external sound.

and sometimes it's like trying to keep me from falling asleep 'cause I'm having like an experience and then I'm starting to drift off and then I'll hear like a bang and it takes me a minute 'cause it pulls me out of sleep. And I'm like, yeah, I'm definitely hearing things now.

And I know . I know it's more of a psychic hearing,

but I'm, I hold that very well here. I am talking about on the podcast, but I don't go around going well, I was hearing all the, and sometimes I hear like, language or, speaking, that's so fast. I can't tell if it's English or if it's something else.

ParaNelsons: And, but it's, it is one of those oh yeah, this is a sign of , of losing your mind. But I feel very, like, I know what's happening and I'm confident about it and I'm not worried about it, but I also don't wanna worry other people. So it's not something that I like Skyr, Hey, I hear voices sometimes or whatever, Yeah. and, there's,[00:07:00] we have a term for that. We call it your psychic d n a.

And everybody has it. And it's actually a real science. It's called Psychotronics.

And your d n a actually has an antenna and everyone mm-hmm. . Mm-hmm.we're, we're such a beautiful, being because we have everything we need within us. And,people, they call it, intuition or, oh, I just had a feeling, not to take that train or not to go out today or whatever. And something happened, and it's like,you actually have a psychic, d n a

and,people need to, embrace that when they feel it, 

 it's a part of us, 

And,just like you're waking up from your dream, you know? You,

probably we're picking up on something.

Kara Goodwin: mm.

ParaNelsons: One thing I might add to that too is that maybe at an earlier time in your life you weren't prepared to receive those messages or you set them aside because, [00:08:00] when you get those messages, it can cause you to reevaluate other things that you thought were true or not true. So if you can hear people and you start to get messages that may upset your, vision of yourself as being nons psychic.

Kara Goodwin: Mm,

ParaNelsons: And so the idea that latent talents can develop, I mean, our history, humankind is filled with examples of people who discovered a talent, not when they were 11, but when they were 50, 30, whatever age they are,

And so when you say, I'm gonna be open to this, I mean really too, change is a sign of life.

Kara Goodwin: Mm-hmm.

ParaNelsons: So if you're changing and your perceptions, you're changing. And also too, I have to tell you, in doing this work, you're becoming much more conscious of what else is 

possible. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, absolutely.

ParaNelsons: we'll call your messages maybe a little bit of a halo effect,

Kara Goodwin: Hmm.

ParaNelsons: So what do [00:09:00] you mean by tell, say more about that. What do you mean by the halo 

idea is that if you work with healing talents

and you're applying them to other people, they tend to also give you a little bit of protection, a little bit of healing.

Kara Goodwin: If you're working with loving, positive, interesting energy, you're going to benefit from some of that too. Even if you see yourself, I'm a channel, I'm a conduit.

ParaNelsons: I try to think of myself as very much. I'm just here. I'm, I've called myself a piece of wire.

I'm just here to deliver a message.

And so, but in doing that, I also recognize I got a lot of benefits for myself.

Kara Goodwin: Right.

ParaNelsons: And that I, I feel more open and stronger and, have greater conviction and discernment in my ability to receive, understand, and deliver messages.

Kara Goodwin: That's fascinating. Thank you for that. that's great insight.

ParaNelsons: I also have a joke for you.

Kara Goodwin: Oh, please. I love jokes.

ParaNelsons: if it walks like a duck and it talks like a [00:10:00] duck, it's a psychic So if you're getting messages and you're saying, I'm not really psychic, no, and I'm hearing things, I'm not really psychic, I'm gonna say really

Kara Goodwin: Oh, that's funny. Well, it's funny because sometimes, like I, I've even gotten like, twice now a date that's like a few weeks out with the day of the week in front of it. So it was like Friday, January 24th or something like that. And it was December and I have no idea when January 24th, but I write it down.

'cause a lot of times these things happen as I'm. Going to sleep. And I'm married, so I don't wanna like turn the light on or turn my phone on, you know, 'cause my husband's sleeping next to me. And so I just quickly jot it down. I'm like, well, I'll be curious to check in the morning if that's actually gonna fall on a Friday.

And both times that I have heard, and it's not necessarily because it's weird, it's not necessarily a sound, but I just get the, it's almost like [00:11:00] I, I do hear it. There's a voice with it, but I know it's in my head.

ParaNelsons: Right, right.

Kara Goodwin: I know somebody's

pardon 

ParaNelsons: dunno how you dunno how you know, but you know.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. I'm like, I know. Nobody else can hear this out.

It's not coming from that side of me. I did hear once though, in my ear, and it did sound like it was outside of me, like a very like, cliquey kind of thing. But, . Both times it was correct. It was like that day for when it was coming, was going to land on that day of the week, but it didn't necessarily, so I was on alert of oh, is something gonna happen when that, and this is the interesting thing, I had personal, like, um, let's say I could maybe like a, an upleveling or something like that, that I could say, well, it was a heightened day, but it wasn't like there was something big outside of me that happened by any stretch of the imagination.

And when I've heard the language or I've heard things, my conscious mind can't even, [00:12:00] it's coming in so fast, I can't even tell if it's English or if it's like a light language or if it's another language outside of . English but un earthly. So it's my conscious mind can't even process it. It's happening so fast.

So that's where I'm like, well, it's not necessarily like a conscious message that I can then say, oh, this is telling me this, it's really like beyond my conscious, I can't grasp it. Does that make sense?

ParaNelsons: Mm-hmm. . It makes perfect sense. Yeah. What I would also say is that, you're, I believe we have guides, guardian angels that look out for us and that yours apparently are giving you little homework assignments. So I would encourage you to be conscious of them, continue to be, and that if you don't know what it means now, I also believe that things tend to unfold. Right. Okay. I'm not sure what that means at the moment, but I'm gonna wait and see as you, you were saying about those things. So maybe you're getting prompts, primes, nudges [00:13:00] 

to be more conscious of what you do.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

ParaNelsons: many of us get it, to Barbara's point, it's in, most of us have that, d n a, our psychic, DNA capabilities within our D n A. But it's, think of it too, like being, being coming from a family of singers. Everyone in your family, they just come out of the womb singing. they're pitch perfect. They got it. I'm not one of those people. But what if you didn't develop it? I mean, there's a ceiling that's it may only be this good, but if you were to say, okay, I'm going to, honor this capability I seem to have by paying attention to it, trying to stretch it, do more with it, all of a sudden you're singing and everyone's listening.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm. Oh, that's really intriguing. Okay. Thank you. That's fascinating. Well, this isn't about me. I'm sorry to have diverted 

ParaNelsons: You're having fun 

Kara Goodwin: I know. , tell me more about me. so Barbara, let's hear about your background and how your psychic abilities,[00:14:00] and I know you have a lot of the technology piece too with your work.

How did all of that come about?

ParaNelsons: So, I first started in the paranormal realm when I was very little. I must have been no more than four or five years old. And, I was in bed sleeping and, I just woke up and it must have been really early, two or three in the morning. and I was sharing a room with my sister and she was sound asleep. So I look up at the doorway to our room, and I just saw this, it was like a figure of light, it was a misty figure. And most kids would hide under their bed or go get under their covers,afraid of it. But I wasn't, I was drawn to it. I was intrigued and trying, I felt it was trying to communicate, and I was like, who are you? what are you? And,then one second it was there, and then [00:15:00] it was gone. And I felt like I wasn't afraid of it. I was curious. And so I've kept that curiosity because it was like, it was a really,I mean, I was like shaking and

I think it was because of the energy, not because I was afraid. And so I kept that with me and wanted to know more. It was like, at that point it was like, what was that? How I wanna explain that? So I kept that with me and I felt I have,the psychic D n a I have the intuitive. I also have, I have very vivid dreams that are like almost virtual reality.

Like, I know I'm in the dream

Kara Goodwin: Oh, lucid dreaming.

ParaNelsons: yeah, I can like wa you know, see my hands move them, and so those are few and far between. But when I do have them, it's like I'm in a virtual world and I know I'm in it, And sometimes it's scary because [00:16:00] it's am I gonna get out of this dream?

Am I gonna wake up

but so it's I am curious of the intuitive side, but I wanna Scientific explanation of it. I come from a family of doctors and mathematicians and chemists, so they're, we're very science oriented. But it's that's why I like the science of psychotronics.

'cause what it is psychotronics, it's psychology or, paranormal with, electronics or, mechanical. And so it combines the two. And I think that's really, that explains pretty much what I'm about, is I'm trying to give a scientific, explanation for what Mark and I do and, try and be objective about it.

And then, give an explanation, for instance, what you were talking about with, the hearing. I mean, if you think about sound, it's all about frequencies. we're constantly mm-hmm. being bombarded by sounds. Mm-hmm. [00:17:00] And one of the things which is,getting in the way of it are all these, towers, the five G towers with putting off the, electromagnetic energies, which is interfering with that. And so what we do at night, we turn our wifi off. Yeah. I'm glad we do. And we did it as an experiment to just clear our heads and it actually, I would recommend it to everyone. Just push the button, turn your wifi off at night. You'll have better dreams, you'll sleep better. That's very, it's, I was a little dubious, but it didn't, it really, it almost there's this, I mean, Barbara uses the word buzzing, but I just think that it's a deletion of energy that we don't really need at night.

It's an interference. it interferes with our normal. what we pick up as, intuitives or Yeah. You know,

Kara Goodwin: curious with your, background with these I for, [00:18:00] so you say, what's the word for it? PS

ParaNelsons: psychotronics.

Kara Goodwin: So you, this is technology that helps to give measurement to some of the

ParaNelsons: Consciousness.

Our consciousness. Basically

it's my consciousness combined with technology

Kara Goodwin: So have you noticed a difference as the five G towers have become more 

ParaNelsons: oh, and wifi. 

Kara Goodwin: in those, in the readings that you get from the technology?

ParaNelsons: Yeah. And usually when we're on a investigation, there are no cell phones on.

Yeah. We turn them off. We absolutely turn all the cell phones. Yeah. Airplane mode or off. Yeah. 

But, yeah, it's like you, you're, it's measured in frequency

and so if you have something to interrupt that you're cutting yourself off from your intuitive, just your natural picking up messages,

from your guides or whoever is, trying to speak to you,

communicate.

so anyway, so we, they're off. I [00:19:00] recommend doing it. I wasn't sure if it'd make a difference, but it's a nice thing

and so 

Kara Goodwin: Well, thanks for that tip.

ParaNelsons: Sure.

Kara Goodwin: So you both are your paranormal investigators and you've had some really interesting kind of high profile cases. What kind of jumps out at you as the kind of most, I don't wanna say noteworthy, but what can you share with us about your work? Maybe you have some stories you wanna share

ParaNelsons: well, oh, wow. Two one , two cases pop up. we did, can we start with, how we start with Sharon Tate? Yes. Yes. Okay. we used to live in the Los Angeles area and we were invited to, go to, a home that is not, it is not the home or property where the invest, right where the murders took place, but it's like a couple doors down.

It's on Cielo Drive a few doors down, and, the owner of the home. It's as if the sixties have never stopped. 

Okay. He really loves the music. [00:20:00] He is, it definitely has a, the art and it's a beautiful home. Yeah. And it's and he's an interesting guy, this guy named David who owns a home and we're very thankful for him having invited us.

Right. Several times. Yeah. But, what's funny is that we were asked to participate in an investigation for, ghost Adventurers was one of them. Haunted history was another one. But when this one time when we went, we were going to be there for, ghost Adventurers, I was working at an ad agency across the street from the holy Cross Cemetery in Culver City. And so I was new guy and someone says, Hey, I wanna go for a walk. And it's sure, but I just gotta get back. 'cause I didn't wanna say what I was doing. 'cause I don't tell everyone I'm a psychic medium and paranormal investigator, especially when I have a pretty good gig in an ad agency.

So, And so taking a walk. And so I said, I gotta get back. I gotta leave here today at a certain hour. and what's up? Well, I'm gonna [00:21:00] be doing an investigation, into, the spirits of, Sharon Tate. And the guy goes, she's like right over there. And so

unknowingly at the cemetery.

Yeah. So she is buried at Holy Cross Cemetery in Culver City. And not only that, it's like she's 15 feet away and this guy knows where she is.

So, new guy I never met, didn't really, he was just like a passing, someone I'm just getting to know. And then, so I go from where I don't plan to be in the cemetery to, I am in the cemetery to, I'm standing at the foot of her grave and then that's the night I'm supposed to go to the, the investigation.

So I

really felt like she's, I. people in spirit can do a lot of things to grab your attention. Barbara has experienced it in crazy ways. Oh yeah. she's good with like smells and other things. Like we're, I still love that cigar thing you picked up on Oh yeah. That one house. But anyway. Yeah. So, all your 5 cent, you use all your five s senses and your six too

yes. [00:22:00] So we ended up at the house, walked through and one of the messages I got along, I had a couple, one was, from Jay Sebring, who was one of the, the, victims. That was his be, yeah. And it was her best friend. Her best friend, yeah. And I heard JC Bring, say we had big plans. And so I said, JC Bring just told me we have big plans and they play back this video and they hear me say it and then they hear a second voice saying it. So I thought that was a pretty Yeah. Rerecording. That's a good validation. See, I didn't make that up.

And then also too, but the most important thing, I felt like we got, Barbara was there too, and other people, but the idea is that, they didn't wanna be remembered for the last moments of their lives. Right? I mean, you're a fully developed person. You're, you've got plans, you're gonna have a baby. You're starting what could be a, an empire. One of the people was an Hess, 

Abigail Folger of the Folger coffee

[00:23:00] fortune 

Kara Goodwin: kidding.

ParaNelsons: with one of the victims. Right. And this other guy was a pretty well-known writer, or he is a budding, upcoming rock.

They all, everyone had a trajectory in their lives, 

right? That were all cu Huh?

Kara Goodwin: How many victims were there?

ParaNelsons: Six, I think. Yeah.

Parent a young kid. Yeah. Including a guy in the driveway.

Yeah. So, 

Kara Goodwin: like was not related to any of them. 

ParaNelsons: no, he was Just Yeah, he was visiting the caretaker who was in the back building. Yeah. And he was just in his car,

and they came up on him. So he was like, just in the wrong place at the wrong time. Oddly enough, Steve McQueen, the famous, movie actor, was invited to be there that night. He was friends with, J cbr.

Yeah, Sharon. Yeah. Seing used to cut his hair and he got to know Sharon Tate. And so, but he declined, their invitation. God only knows what would've happened, Yeah. But that, wow. but, oh, what are the, [00:24:00] so that was a pretty interesting thing, and Barbara and I both you, she said, oh, we're. we're beautiful again. That was her message. We are beautiful again. Yeah. And that really stopped a lot of people. 'cause people get caught up in thinking, did you get, did you catch that? Did you hear that? But then the poignancy of a young woman, simple message, Yeah. Who rec in spirit?

See, we believe that the people we're talking to in spirit are in fact conscious beings. They're conscious, they're just not, I mean, on something, some places they may be simply loops, magnetic loops or energetic loops. But, very often they're conscious beings who wanna interact with Barb, with me, with you. And so it's really pretty breathtaking when you get a message that it's oh, that, that's like right from her heart, from her, you know what I mean? She's no longer on the physical, but it, the idea that. She is beautiful again.

I mean, [00:25:00] all of these grisly images, I mean, I don't, I, if something terrible happened to me, I wouldn't want that to be the only thing people look at and think of me

in that way. I mean, it's very sad. It, especially, 'cause she was beautiful and smart and doing things and it, she had a whole life ahead of her. There's also an interesting, aspect about that whole, Benedict Canyon region. Jay Sebring had a house that was, what, 10 minutes away? Yeah, very close. Very close. His house actually had a history of a grizzly murder too, or Actually, yes. No. Yeah. The house that he was in was, originally built in the early twenties. Early twenties. And it was, Jean Harlow and, oh, what was his? Paul, Byrne, Paul Byrne exactly. Who was, a big producer. and so anyway, Jean Harlow and Paul Byrne were married, and that was their house. And it ended up, [00:26:00] what was it, two weeks after they got married, or? No, barely two months. It was two months. they found him, dead in his bathroom with a gunshot wound to the head, and they thought, oh, he killed himself. But they're not sure. they're like, did he kill himself or did somebody murder him? So it, it's, I it's ironic that Jay Sebring owned that house 

at where, and Sharon Tate actually got a message in the house. Yeah. She was staying at the house, by herself. And she felt the spirit of Paul Byrne was there, and he showed her an image of Jay. He was, a rope wrapped around his throat and he was tied to something. And so she got really scared. She had this like premonition and I think it was not long after the Manson murders. Yeah. But it was almost like Paul Byrne was trying to

Kara Goodwin: I 

ParaNelsons: forewarn her. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

ParaNelsons: So [00:27:00] anyway, it, I'm bringing this up because there's like certain areas like that. Canyon has a lot of energy. right across from Cielo Drive is, Falcons Lair where Rudolph Valentino lived. He also,died tragically from a, an infection. There wasn't there another famous woman, like a rich woman?

Was that Yeah. duke was her last. Yeah. Di Duke I think was also murdered in that same area. So it's like you can feel the energy,

Kara Goodwin: That's what I was gonna ask, like how does it feel for you, as highly sensitive, mediums and paranormal specialists, as you enter into not just the house or, I know you weren't in the house, but in the immediate vicinity and then just that whole canyon with all of the tragedy that had happened in a relatively short amount of time on in earth time 

anyway.

ParaNelsons: Yeah. Supposedly that area was also where a [00:28:00] Indian barrel ground was. Yeah. Had it all. 

Yeah. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. Well, I wonder if that has something, if it all 

ParaNelsons: Were the Indians drawn to that too, for that matter? Were they drawn to a certain energy? to your earlier question, Barbara and I, when, I mean, when you go there, you can just look around and say, oh, it's a beautiful place.

There's wildlife, there's, very expensive homes. Right, right. But it's almost like you have to Ki when we do our work, it's one thing I'm talking to you when we're having fun and we're discussing things. Or you go to the grocery store, you have your view set to see certain things. But if we're going to do this work, I mean, some people say their radar is always on to some degree, maybe. But if we really wanna look at something or feel something important, it takes a little bit of, clearing of your head space. Clearing your mind, right, right. In order to be really conscious of what's there. Because to go to David's, this guy, David's home to see the area, it's it's, [00:29:00] you can tell this is a really exclusive, interesting, beautiful hideaway of an area, but right there is this other underlying energy that if you choose to look at it, it's there. it's like the difference between, let's say you're reading something on your phone, you look up close, you see it, but if you wanna see something and then you look in the distance, And you can't quite make out what that is 'cause your eyes are adjusting. It's not unlike that for psychic work. I mean, Barbara and I, it's we gotta pay the bills today. I need, we need a quarter milk. Okay. Yeah. and then there's the looking out further and going, there's something going on, in and around us that I, for some reason, I can't put my finger on it.

Yeah. But it's bothering me, an answer to your question about just what we feel it as You're driving up Benedict Canyon and you're getting more into it. It's almost like you, you feel like you're crossing this wall vibration,

which [00:30:00] is Yeah. I mean, you can actually just feel the energy is changing

and I don't know if you wanna call it a more negative energy or whatever, but something

you know, you 

Kara Goodwin: or,

ParaNelsons: Yeah.

you're definitely crossing into A realm, whatever that is, and so you can feel it. And part of it too is that it's like Barbara and I are both

sensitive. Right? Right. And also too, we are conscious of, it's almost if you go to a good Italian restaurant,

they're out of good Italian place. You anticipate certain things

and then when you feel them or you smell them, then it's oh, okay, it's there.

Well, when we go there, it's like we know that there's been some real tragedy there and it's almost like I'm not making it up in my head, but it's there. It feels, to Barbara's point, it's oh, we're in.

Right. Okay.

Take a breath. I mean, it's so, Apparent that the people that bought [00:31:00] that property, Sharon Tate's property, tore down the house and then when they built their huge house over that, they raised it above, like what the found, it's not, they have a foundation, so the house that's six feet above or something, 

like a couple of inches.

Like they don't want to be on the ground 

that, whatever you wanna call that hallowed ground or whatever it is they separated the home from. So even they took it seriously

Kara Goodwin: I'm, yeah. Good for them. Yeah, I can imagine.

ParaNelsons: it's really wild. So there was that one, but you had mentioned, about, earlier on about protection and Yes. Okay. So what we do before our investigations, we always, surround us ourselves in the protection of white light. That, mark has a little prayer that he says Yeah. To our group.

we usually hold hands and,connect our energies and say some type of a prayer. I can tell [00:32:00] you it's not long just right, non-denominational, but we surround ourselves in the white light of love and divine protection. We'll allow only positive energy to influence us. We will not allow the negativity of others to affect us in any way. Right? So we, and we also try to see is there a white light around us? Because I feel like that people in spirit can see that white light, right? People in spirit can also tell, oh, these two can catch us. They can hear what we're saying. Okay, let's pick on them. Well, and we did that every time, 

Except this one, except one time.

Kara Goodwin: And what was the result of that?

ParaNelsons: we paid for it.

Kara Goodwin: Really? Isn't that interesting? Had you just forgotten?

ParaNelsons: Well, we got caught up in, we got caught up.

it's like we usually, we stop and prep. Then this time we were invited to a home in East Hollywood on Franklin Avenue called the Jo[00:33:00] the Jaws House. The Jaws house, yes.

It goes by a couple of other names on the outside. It looks like a Mayan temple.

I mean, it really is. and the doorway, you actually, you enter through the Jaws. Jaws, they're

like stones that are pointed a little bit

Kara Goodwin: and this is like a residence.

ParaNelsons: Yes. 

Kara Goodwin: lives there.

ParaNelsons: Yeah, you look up it's look up the Jaws house on Googling.

Is it called the Sewell or what is the name or, it was I think designed by Frank Lloyd Wright's son. Son. Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: Oh, that's really weird. I just dreamt I, okay. Sorry. I just dreamt two nights ago that my dad gave me, Like a, an interesting piece of art, which, and, it was like light purple almost to white, like different shades of really light purple. And it was designed by Frank Lloyd Wright. And I was like, I, and it 

ParaNelsons: Wow. 

Kara Goodwin: very specific, like shapes three tiers.

And I was like, okay, be on the lookout. Just mental note, if Frank Lloyd Wright [00:34:00] comes up and here we are.

ParaNelsons: there you go. ,his son, designed it. If you look it up, it's, I mean, they used a home currently, for shoots, for TV shows. You need an exotic location. You wanna shoot models then in an exotic place, not far outta Hollywood, right? Yeah. It's like an east side of it. And so we went there and, they said that there may be, this home may be connected to the black dah to the black Dahlia of killings murder.

It. It was a not, a very notorious, infamous right murder that took place in 1947. The Black Dahlia were a young Elizabeth Short, model to be. Elizabeth Short was brutally murdered, cut in half, drained of her blood. It was really quite

horrible. 

Kara Goodwin: goodness.

ParaNelsons: And so, like I. This was supposed to be squeaky clean, little la this kind of thing wasn't supposed to happen. But as we walk up to the house, I see a man in spirit, well dressed kind of period. [00:35:00] Clothes. Yeah. Del yeah, A little mustache. Yeah. And then I see him and he is like sneering at me. It's gimme me like a stink eye, so to speak. And so, then I hear in my head, oh, he's the doctor. Oh, he's the, okay, he did this, and, oh, you're a doctor.

And it's almost like he didn't like me seeing that, right? And so just as Barbara and I are walking up to get started, I'm getting these hits and I turned to the producer, said, look, if a doctor lived in this house at the time of the murder, he's the one that did the killing. And it happened here. And so it's oh. and I wanted to go fast because I didn't want, someone to say, oh, you heard that from one of the grips, or you heard someone else in the production team talking about it. I wanted to blurt it out as fast as possible. And so then that's how I, like Barbara and I got caught up into, all right, we're in the investigation mode now.

go. And so, we had, Barbara had some, yeah, I, not good feelings. And that was the first time [00:36:00] that I actually felt like a vertigo, like a dizziness. I've heard about it at that time. I, we had already been doing vet investigations. all over, never experienced that type of thing. And, but I heard about it. And so I'm walking down one of the hallways. The house was Basically, if you can think of a big O and in the middle is an open atrium area with a fountain. And, and so that there's hallways, long hallways, and the rooms are off the hallways. And so I could just, I could see if you were drugged or disoriented, you wouldn't know

where you were. 'cause it all looked the same. Yeah. And the entrance was actually you had to come up through the basement,

Yeah. Now it's weird. And there, and that was, but there was an exit out into their, alleyway. But it was so hidden. You wouldn't know where that was. You could miss it. [00:37:00] It could, yeah. You could miss it. And so I'm thinking to myself, wow, this is like the perfect murder trap. If you wanted to trap somebody, this is the house to do it in because obviously they drug the women. And we're, I'm walking by this one. I didn't know it, it was a bathroom. And I walk right by it and I totally was like vertigo. I was like spinning and I had to like, hold up against the wall and, then I kept walking and I turned around and the same thing happened to the producer. She got like dizzy. And I go, did you feel that? And she goes, what the heck was that? And it turns out that supposedly, the bathroom had been renovated, but that was the room where, some of the actual crime or torture happened,

Kara Goodwin: So were there multiple victims

ParaNelsons: yes.

And we. 

Kara Goodwin: a [00:38:00] period of time?

ParaNelsons: Yes. Yes. And we found that out because,

 we got messages that, mark picked up on his accomplice named the Baron. Yeah. It turns out he, which we didn't, had no idea he had an accomplice. And it turns out what's interesting is that, Dr. George Hodel is the chief suspect. He was never brought to justice because he got the heads up that we are coming for you to arrest you. And he, took flight and flew to the Philippines. I think it was right at the time when we did not have an extradition Yeah. Treaty with the Philippines. And he stayed in the Philippines for over 50 years.

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

ParaNelsons: So to avoid arrest left in the United States, Yeah. But his son, who he left behind, ended up becoming a, detective for the Los Angeles Police Department with a very high, solve record.

Right. He was, like 95% solve his cases. And then he wrote a book called The Black Dahlia Avenger, in [00:39:00] which he basically using his, some, some clues that his stepmother gave him, after the father passed and his own access to, Los Angeles Police Department, evidence, which turned out to be shockingly Empty. Empty. He went to the box where all of the evidence was for his father's investigation, found it to be empty. Yeah. It turns out that the father was the head of women's services. in Los Angeles. And what that meant was if you're an indigent woman, you're a prostitute, you're someone, a woman struggling at the edge of society, and you, are having a physical problem, you would go to the sky. So this doctor had access to women in desperate straits and took advantage of that Also too, as it turns out, according to his son, that if, if let's say,a powerful man's girlfriend, mistress, got pregnant, the doc, the good doctor could arrange an abortion. And so he [00:40:00] had the goods on a lot of wealthy people Right, who, could, needed him and he needed that, right?

he would basically have these parties at his Hollywood parties, have very important people, chief of police, mayor, any heads of, the politics in LA at the time? And would get them in compromising situations so that he could manipulate them or use them to whatever means he wanted. So it's, it's the typical political story where you have, you're basically,what do they call that?

Extorting them. Yeah. so, so, but, anyway,the whole point was that, we're dealing with this psychopathic, sociopathic, highly intelligent, intellectual genius, because he, we'll call him an evil genius. Okay. He's an evil genius. But yeah, just. And he's looking at Mark ca I think he called you a pip sleeve or something.

Yeah. [00:41:00] Well, one thing too, with the sun, we went and saw that the sun happened to be associated with, he was connected to the show we were working on. We heard he was gonna be presenting book signing, going to a book, signing nearby. So, so we went to the book signing and then before he spoke, said, I have to tell you, we just came from your old house where you lived as a kid. I got that your father, killed numerous women and that he did this. He used he and so, and the guy was saying Yes, yes, yes. And it happened there. So the idea was rather than waiting for him to discuss it in his presentation, we told him what we found. we, and so that immediately let him know that we're We have something going here, but it was just terribly tragic. Oh, going back to the reason why the protection was an issue, right? Is that Barbara and I left, and then we've been married. We're, we've been together almost 40 years. I mean, we met first year of college and we've been,

we were kids. We were kids. we were kids.

Kara Goodwin: that's 

ParaNelsons: [00:42:00] And so, thank you. the thing though is that

like we have like fights like any other couple, Right. You'll have moments where we disagree. And so, we're more cl low boil as opposed to screaming fights and craziness. Well, after this investigation, I mean, as soon as we get home, we get into what I would describe a real screamer, right?

And this is our character, the worst fight we ever had. And I thought Mark was possessed. I thought, I literally thought he was possessed and Barbara was, we were both acting out in ways outside of our normal package. but what happened was, he actually followed us home and he remained with us for about three months.

It took a while to get him out. get rid of him. Yeah. It's three months.

Kara Goodwin: How long did it take you to even realize that had 

happened?

ParaNelsons: within, we knew within minutes we realized it's knew,whoa.

Plus, I was waking up at night and I was seeing his, he was standing in the corner just like looking at us. and I told Mark, I'd wake him [00:43:00] up. I go, he's here again. Mm-hmm.so he was trying to come between us, but it, after it, it took about three months. It was, we had to be really vigilant in our mm-hmm.our faith in our bond,

and we 

Kara Goodwin: exercise him?

ParaNelsons: well, yeah. I mean, we did a s staging use Holy Water 

Holy had to buy a bottle of holy water right here. we

blessed. 

Kara Goodwin: is actually sponsored by Holy Water,

ParaNelsons: Yes. Holy Water, Inc. Yes.

At Mark Nelson medium com. 

Kara Goodwin: we go.

ParaNelsons: It's at, well, we bless the doorways. Uh mm-hmm. , we said lots of prayers, rosaries. Mm-hmm. for about three months, and then it just felt oh, what? I'm not gonna waste my time with you. And then, yeah, it was gone. But it's really weird in the back of my head. It's uhoh, is he coming back again? it, it's like I always have [00:44:00] this, thing in the back of my head, but,

Kara Goodwin: It's fascinating that you have that contrast experience though, where you're like, we're very vigilant every time we protect ourselves in white light. And then, but you do have the time that you fail to do it. and what the, so it just shows the power of the invocation that you do.

ParaNelsons: Well, in truth, we really believe that there is good and evil in the world. Light and dark. There is light and dark, positive energy and yeah. evil energy. in terms of an exorcism, we didn't, it, I don't think that we require that. That, yeah. Yeah. But there's,a level less is oppression. There's possession, oppression, and then I think maybe visitation. But I mean, oppression is bad. It can cause many people to act in aberrant ways, right? And think to do things that may, that are outside of their normal character. So, but you have to know it's happening. You have to be conscious of [00:45:00] it because if you don't, you're, a lot of bad things can happen and you can leave yourself open and vulnerable to a possession. And I thank God that I had Barbara, we both looked out for each other. It's there's something wrong with you. I think so. There's something wrong. What happened here? We got slimed,

so to speak, to use the Ghostbusters, two analogy or. Yeah, we got slimed, but it's, it can be serious. And so,

right.

That was, and we actually had to go back a second time and that's the first, place You didn't wanna go again? I told Mark, I go, I can't go back there.

I just, I did not wanna go back again and I went back there realizing, okay, it's like going into, we did go back, like going into the lion's cage, but we were more prepared. we had our shields up.

Yeah.

To know what you're dealing with and that this guy really was, in life, a genius. He was a concert pianist as a young, it was like a child prodigy musician, [00:46:00] like at age nine. Yeah. He played in like a huge stadium up in the Bay Area. He, did a, he went to medical school, full fledged doctor, became very powerful. And he also had a doctorate in psychology 

too. Yeah. So that's where I think he knew the how to manipulate people. and, yeah. And he was like one of the top surgeons. he was trained, I guess the training. Yeah. What he did to Elizabeth Short was that an actual training of the dissection and the draining of the blood was something that they taught in medical schools. And so, but you, it had to be done in a precise way, which he was very good at. I've a feeling he took the skills you learned and then applied them in a very, in a, in an evil way. Yeah. I mean, they don't teach you to cut people in half from medical school, but I mean, they teach you how to handle a body and what to expect from it.

Right. Right.

Kara Goodwin: And so that's what happened.

and she was the only one that they [00:47:00] found that they linked to this site. But you guys were, it sounds like you picked up that there were a lot of other victims, but also the son

ParaNelsons: Yes.

Yes. 

Kara Goodwin: his

ParaNelsons: he believed it. Yeah. And he told us, and we already knew the basement is a very weird area. It's like there's still, like I. Tufts of dirt and concrete because the father actually built this hidden room, which was all concrete. And so some of the residue of the concrete was in the basement.

And that's where Mark believed some of the bodies were. And the son also agreed. he actually tried to get permission to go in and excavate. Yeah, excavate. 'cause he felt there were bodies there too.

Kara Goodwin: Mm.

ParaNelsons: And so, and why would someone have this concrete hidden room?

I mean, they literally, it's it, it was behind a wall when we were there. it was a [00:48:00] busy street. Hollywood is a right, bustling, busy, noisy street. When we went down into that basement, it was soundproof. You couldn't hear a thing. I don't know about you, but I. I don't really, we really don't have soundproof areas in our home.

And there was this, it looked like the trappings of a, an altar, right?

Right. It's like it was a stage with a stone altar and it's or concrete altar, but all of the, anything that might be,a symbol of some kind had been stripped away. So you had only like this basic form. But who does that doesn't look like a poker table. This isn't like ping pong. Right. This is, there's an odd built thing that someone did with a, a lot of resources and money for specific purpose that we can't see what that is at the moment. Right. They did that and I asked the, we met the owner of the house and I said, do you live in this house? And he goes, no way, I don't live in, he just [00:49:00] rents it out.

But it's I don't know who could live in that. it would just It would gna. You wouldn't get much sleep, that's for sure. It would prey on you, GNA on you. 

Kara Goodwin: This man is deceased now. The one who fled to the Philippines.

ParaNelsons: Yeah. He passed a while back

on. Yeah.

and who knows what he did in the Philippines. Yeah.

That's another thing. Ended up he had no idea. Ended up marrying a much younger woman. He was in his fifties and he had a 18 year old wife.

right. right. Yeah. Who does that 

anyway? 

Kara Goodwin: Oh my goodness. So, so one of the things that I think about with the stories that you're telling, specifically with the basin that you talked about, are the canyon, there, if there are like hotbeds

for paranormal activity,

ParaNelsons: Mm-hmm.

Kara Goodwin: do you have any theories as to why like locales might sort of draw paranormal activity or like suspicious human activity, where it's like a lot of tragic things happen in a [00:50:00] certain geographical area.

ParaNelsons: Right. 

Kara Goodwin: . Led you to any conclusions about that?

ParaNelsons: Well, we have some the, I mean, theories, yeah, theories,

lay lines. That there are lines that seem to go around the world

Kara Goodwin: that seem to have a lot of energy focused in and around them. Also, too, a certain,Mineral minerals in the ground seem to, impact an area. what was it under David's house?

ParaNelsons: Was it iron? Was it I think he had quartz. Quartz. Like a lot of quartz. Yeah. It's almost like that, it's like a natural battery of some sort. Yeah. So I also think, or it attracts,it tends to pull energy in.

Right, right. So, there can be the beauty of a location or it can also be the, the minerals, the found, what's in the ground. And I do believe that there's something to do with lay lines. I mean, because there are areas where it's okay, it's hot here for some reason. Hot being, there's activity, there's energy. in addition to when say a lot of people, they're, we'll call it a lay line. [00:51:00] people are drawn to it. They don't know why. Right? But they start to bring energy to it. I think that can happen. That may have happened with David's house, this guy David, where he was very open and welcoming to these spirits. He created an environment that felt like something that was very familiar to them, to time of their passing. in addition, When people show up with an intention, I mean, it's, I believe in the power of intention, to a degree. So you have, and it's not one thing, it'll probably be five things. You've got. David had a unique, mineral found, source under the house. he was in close proximity. His place also to people in spirit, if you, speak their language. we had that on the Queen Mary where someone we were investigating with on the Queen Mary the ship in the Long Beach harbor spoke German. So we were in the hold of the ship where someone, they used to keep [00:52:00] the prisoners, German prisoners. Yeah. He began to speak in German and all of a sudden, all of our electrical, all of our equipment started going boop boop.

And in response to his speaking. Yeah, like how many are there here? Yeah. And it would, our lights would blink the number of people that were present. So I, and yeah. So to your point though, like it can be part what's in the ground part, the lay line, that canyon, attracted a lot of human activity and a lot of it may not have been positive. Right.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm.

ParaNelsons: I mean, 'cause on the flip side, there are very spiritual areas. Yes, good point. Like Sedona, Arizona

is a very 

Kara Goodwin: I'm going there next week actually.

ParaNelsons: Oh yeah.

We know that.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, I obviously

ParaNelsons: That she knew.

Kara Goodwin: I know there are other things that you have said that I'm like, okay, that I haven't even interrupted you to be like, well, there's that thing, but here [00:53:00] you go with Sedona. Go in there in a few days.

ParaNelsons: some beautiful areas

that. Bring in like positive, really positive gr good energy to go going to the ocean. The ocean has a wonderful positive energy. it's rejuvenating,

So, there's good and bad energies all over. Yeah. we really do take seriously the idea that there can be a demonic presence in certain places. We haven't run into that, but we have dealt with really dark energy, right? That causes people that might appear to be very nice, do, heinous things, so I gotta believe that there's evil and there's also positive, good and love and miracles. It's funny, mark, he can sense right off the bat,remember in the hospital in Los Angeles, and I'm like, I wanted to go in this one room.

And he goes, no, you don't go in there They don't want you in there. They [00:54:00] don't want you. Sometimes they're really, yeah. So I listen to him. I go, okay, I'm not going in there.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm.

ParaNelsons: Yeah. So there's all kinds of things that, energy can be manifested by positive and negative forces.

Kara Goodwin: Well, it makes me wonder too,talking about the Manson murders and things like that, where it's like, And I don't know a lot about, I mean, I know who Charles Manson is, but I don't know a lot of the details of the, that, heinous tragedy, but it makes you wonder well, what kind of influence were people like Charles Manson or people like the evil doctor and things like that, like what kind of influence were, might they have been under as well, or susceptible to

ParaNelsons: Oh yeah.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

ParaNelsons: I do think that we'll call, we'll say Satan, we'll say evil. they will use a number of ways to corrupt ordinary people.

There was this one movie we just saw, what is it? Nefarious. Oh, yeah. And it really made [00:55:00] my hair stand up because it seemed to nefarious. I think you can rent it on.

Yeah. oh. You YouTube has it. don't, they probably, it's really worth seeing. It's a very realistic, very simple, I think there's only a few actors in it, but it's the dialogue that shows how the devil can, or, this evil can sneak up on you

and not, you don't even know it. And it just, it's insidious.

You don't just have one incident where all of a sudden you have a, an innocent little A kid mining his or her own business, all of a sudden they're the snarling, insane, possessed somewhat human person. and it aligns with my understanding that there are evil energies that I also tend to believe that, if you have compromised your own health gateways,you, yeah, you're involved in heavy drug use, you're [00:56:00] involved in compulsive behavior, you are unable to control that puts you in a weakened, spiritual, state, in which case than you are more open to suggestion by other beings that would like to control your behavior, right? So, that's where oppression comes in. That's where all of these things, but what was, I just brought that movie up is because I. the quote unquote possessed be the deep demonic possession was speaking through the sky and saying, oh, we start here and then we do this, and we do this, and we do this, and we do this.

Until finally you've got someone doing something that is, hard to understand in a normal human context, how could someone do something that evil Well, and not even blank. And he was picking up on the guy's weaknesses. Oh, yeah. and that, that's the thing too, is that say people in spirit will often recognize that Barbara and I can hear them. And so they tend to go zoom [00:57:00] to us in a group. And we've had that on multiple occasions. And so you just need to be conscious of it. and this is for you and of your listeners, as you become conscious of your own ability to hear, to listen,

to experience things. Be aware that not all of those, beings may have your interest in mind.

They may want to, manipulate, exercise some control over you to cause you to behave in a way that may or may not be helpful.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, that's a great reminder. And that's . That's one of the things that I always try to be diligent about when I'm falling asleep, because again, these are, that's when, for me personally, I am most likely to have some strange experiences. But I, the first thing I do when I close my eyes is talk to God.

And, it's okay, protect me and be with me. And, and not out of fear, but just as let's partner, you know, 

And really regardless of your, I mean, your [00:58:00] religious faith,

ParaNelsons: Jewish, Christian, whatever else you are, the idea is that God, if you have a connection, a relationship with God, asks for protection.

If anything, this work has caused Barbara and I to become much, much more conscious of our relationship with God because, we've become much more conscious of what's not God.

Kara Goodwin: Right. So you guys do a lot of your investigations, which is what we've focused on today. Do you also work with 

individuals?

ParaNelsons: yes. oh yeah, I have a website, Mark Nelson medium.com,

and I am gonna be, I mean, I speak to people around the world. I'm really blessed. I have clients in Europe. I. Bermuda, Mexico, across the United States, read for people, Australia. Australia that, so people get to me and I can read for couples or groups. I've done, platform events where I'll make appearances [00:59:00] for, I'm platform reading is fun. You get to be in front of hundreds of people at a time

and to see how you can be of service to them.

Kara Goodwin: hmm.

ParaNelsons: So, and then Barbara and I also do appearances where if you would like us to, pres be at a conference, an event, we can do that.

And if someone has or investigate Yeah. there's a lot of people will come up to us and say, oh, I, I think the house I grew up in was really haunted. It was a farmhouse. And it's like Mark and I are always, open to different investigations just to see what we come up with. 

Yeah. Yeah.

but that's how you find us.

And Barbara also, if we were on Instagram under Yeah. Instagram under Para Nelson's. And that's where, we update different, investigations. We're on different thoughts, 

parent Nelson's on Instagram. Yep.

Kara Goodwin: Wonderful. Well, thank you so much for being here today. This has been really, really fascinating and thank [01:00:00] you for the work that you're doing to help people to understand how to connect with the light within them and to shed light on all the different aspects of the, beyond the typical human experience.

ParaNelsons: Well, thank you for doing this too. you're doing wonderful work. You're helping

raise consciousness, which is great. Things that are seen and unseen.

Kara Goodwin: Well, thank you so much. 

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