339. Making Contact: Exploring the Extraordinary ET Phenomenon - Alan Steinfeld

Kara Goodwin: [00:00:00] Welcome to the meditation conversation, the podcast to support your spiritual revolution. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin, and I'm so excited about this episode. Alan Steinfeld is a legend in ufology, and I'm just delighted to have him as a guest. If you're interested in E. T. Contact, I highly recommend his book, Making Contact.

He's a writer, producer, and speaker in the fields of human potential, metaphysics, consciousness evolution, healing, creativity, spiritual awakening, and cosmic intelligence.

He's also the host and director of new realities for over 20 years. He's brought cutting edge ideas in science, health, and spirituality to his audiences. He's interviewed over 3000 of the most influential people in the world. 12 million people have seen his new reality videos on his YouTube channel. And we cover [00:01:00] so much amazing ground in this episode, discussing the ET phenomenon from the perspective of contactees and the government, science and more, and we talk about consciousness and its role in ET contact.

Alan shares his own contact experience and what he makes of it. And he has some suggestions about my own possibilities of ET contact, which of course I found fascinating. Many amazing insights await you in this episode. So we'll get right to it in a sec. But first be sure to check out Kara Goodwin.

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All right. Well, welcome Allen. I'm so excited to be here with you today.

Alan Steinfeld: Thanks. Thanks. It's great to see you again after meeting you in Sedona. So yes, let's

talk about anything you want. Yes. Well, I have just devoured your book, making contact, or do you say making star contact or making contact?

I just call it making contact because the, the symbol there in the middle, I know you, you, you is, is, you know, I put the symbol in there. I, I, I write in the book because the communication is beyond words. It's more abstract, [00:03:00] so, I don't like to name it, but I like people to cognize it in their, uh, ways of understanding these other types of thinking, these other modes of thinking, not just words, we, we have to go beyond words if we're really gonna understand it. Start making contact,

I think. Yes. Well, that's one of the beautiful things with your book is the different perspectives it's kind of taking this, um, concept, so to say, of, of contact outside of. With extra planetary life, extraterrestrial life. Um, and looking at it through a prism with different facets. And I'm curious if we just begin with like, what sparked your interest in this topic in general and motivated you to write about it?

Well, I want to just talk about [00:04:00] first why it's all these different myriads of this prism, as you said, because nobody has the whole story. Not me, not the researchers, not the government, certainly. And so. Something's going on for sure. Like we all know that, but what it is, how it's happening, who they are. There's so many different opinions, which is fine because when you have a jigsaw puzzle and you don't have all the pieces, which is where we're at and the government's definitely holding some pieces, but they don't really know what's going on. I mean, I don't think they do. And they may be, they have more clues than we, but, um, need to just piece it together like pieces of the elephant and not get attached to our story.

So I was fascinated with the scope of the phenomenon because I [00:05:00] had an experience when I was, well, I think when I was younger, but also in 1987 had experience where it was, I think I was taken aboard a ship. I mean, it sounds ridiculous to say that, right? I mean, isn't it kind of, it's so far out of. I mean, it

sounds like science fiction.

Kara Goodwin: Even after all these years, you still qualify it.

Alan Steinfeld: Why? Because it is so far removed from the reality that we know, which is sort of like one of the messages of the book. Reality is not what we think it is. we've been so programmed to look at it through a very narrow window that, and we're not educated to think that there's something more unless you're maybe living in an indigenous culture and understand, as John Mack says, different ways of knowing.

He talks about that. Cause we're just so left brain. We want everything to be [00:06:00] logical so we can control the world. And we're obviously not controlling it. There's something bigger happening here. And, and I think when we let go of that. limited way of understanding, the world gets very exciting and expanded and full of infinite possibilities, which is one of the reasons I wrote the book.

So to show that there's more to the human experience than we've been told and human experience as we transcend old ways of thinking. Because one other thing I'll add here is that, um, consciousness, and I know you talk about consciousness is not a phenomena of, of the brain, but is received by the brain.

So essentially you can say we are the extraterrestrials. If consciousness doesn't, or, you know, begin originate from, [00:07:00] the brain, then we are, I mean, that might be a little far out there. We're receiving this flow from some place beyond

time and space.

Kara Goodwin: So that's really funny that you would be like, this might be too far out there, but I literally just wrote about this yesterday. I was re I was writing to my, I have a community and I was writing in the forum, you know, Think of, change the way you think of your brain. You think your thoughts come from your brain, but what if your brain is a receiver?

What if it's actually receiving consciousness or it is consciousness. It's receiving ideas. It's receiving, receiving thoughts and they're not coming from you. So what does that mean that you can let go of? Because if it's not serving you, it's not even coming from you. So have that little bit of removal.

We tend to think of it [00:08:00] like it's part of us. And there's a lot of potential healing that comes when we see that in a different way.

Alan Steinfeld: Well, I'm glad you like, you get that, you understand that perspective because that also talks about one of my other favorite subjects besides UFOs and aliens is remote viewing, remote viewing, which I teach. I teach remote viewing courses. So, and I learned it from one of the people that started it at the Stanford Research Institute, Russell Targ.

I interviewed him and then he said, okay, let's do a session. And I learned it. I mean, it's not something you learn, but it's something we already can do. So, but the idea is that consciousness is non local. So we can see and feel and sense beyond the five senses. There's an ability facility, because if we are connected to the quantum field, as Joe Dispenza says, Then [00:09:00] everything in time, space, anywhere is known because we are a part of this infinite creation. This, it's like, it's like your cell phone, you know, just picks up the local number, but the, you know, If your cell phone dies, it doesn't mean you don't, you stop getting calls. It's in the cloud,

so it's wherever it's

Kara Goodwin: Yes.

Alan Steinfeld: and then you pick up a new physical instrument and you receive the messages. So it's like that with us.

You know, we are infinite, I think, uh, beyond time and space and, um. We can access all this infinite knowledge if we just get out of the way, just get the personality out of the way, the part that we think we are in time and space. Because if you identify with that, you miss the vastness of who you really are.[00:10:00]

Kara Goodwin: Yes. Well, and if we come back to the different perspectives in your book, because you, you do go into think concepts like this in the book, and you go into like you mentioned your own contact experience, but this book is not just about contact experience. These, so this is one of the things that I appreciated so much is again, those perspectives, because you can pick up a book that has essays from different people who have contact experience or different people who have studied government programs or, and, and this one really does a great job of letting it be.

Um, so many different perspectives. And even though this is such a topic that I'm so drawn to, I, because of the vastness of the perspectives, I learned new things that I'd never even considered. And one example that really has stuck with me is I can't, unfortunately, I don't remember which, um, which author of the [00:11:00] essay it was, but somebody talked about, What would be the impact on our culture as a human race?

If we were to have full contact. And when I think of full contact, I think of benevolent beings coming down, landing. We all can see it. We all, it's undeniable. We're all unified in this experience and that he completely caught me out in where my. Belief system is because I feel like, oh, they would have so much they could give us, they would have so much technology, they would have so much wisdom and we could learn so much and I would be at the risk of being like, okay, I'm done being human or I'm done with the culture I've grown up in or I've done with how I understand society, what do you have for us?

And that. [00:12:00] He was challenging that of like, we, we want to hold onto our culture or what role does culture play for us? What role does the society that we've built and what does it mean if we just roll over and we're like, well, you know, what's best for us, so let's give, give everything over, you know?

Alan Steinfeld: Well, that's why it's not happening that way. It's not having a way because we, we don't want to worship another because I think, first of all, they're not greater than us. They may be smarter, they may have better technologies, but on the, the essence level, we are the same or equal to that. And so I think it's happening in very slow process of integration so we can assimilate in the best way our cultural backgrounds with, [00:13:00] with whatever. also is imprinting its, its ideas of a greater technology, um, with us. So it's not a shock. I mean, it will be shocking and it is shocking to even read this book. It's shocking to see, I mean, especially people who are, Or totally unaware, but it's also, it's a primer too. Cause I, it's gently kind of, you know, it's like the, um, the frog in a pot of boiling

water, if it turns on me, it doesn't know it's boiling, but it's

like that, you know, so. But I think that's a good point because, um, yeah, if they just show up on the White House lawn, it's kind of like what's going, but if they come and go and integrate and people write about it and some people have experiences and, and maybe they're not believed or they're believed, there's a slow process of [00:14:00] integration that allows the culture to bend. Reformat itself into a bigger perspective. I

think that's what's happening,

Kara Goodwin: Yes. And I think there is like a finesse or a fine tuning because we see in the, in our culture, in our media, for example, you know, like our, um, our movies where they show up on the white house lawn and what's the response with humanity. They're here to invade, let's get rid of them. Let's zap them, you know, newcomer, whatever it is.

And it's like this, all this violence. Right. And so there's that that's really in our face. But I also see this, um, other faction where it's, there are saviors there come, they're going to save us. That's what's going to save humanity. And it's this rolling over of like. Take what you want. I'm yours. And it's a, it's a finesse, right?

It's, it's neither of those [00:15:00] things, but we really, this is what like challenged me with this book was to look at myself and my own beliefs and where, where am I on that? spectrum and is that serving me ultimately? And it really made me reflect and, and really consider, um, aspects I hadn't considered before, which is really important because we can just get stuck in what we think we know and.

Alan Steinfeld: right? No, that's a good point It's a spectrum of these two extreme possibilities, you know Saviors or invaders and what if it's none of that which it seems like it is Is none of those things because we're not being invaded. They're not saving us from the mess we've created, you know, of this planet and that we've gotten ourselves in.

So, but it's more about what we're talking, the finesse of consciousness, the, the, [00:16:00] the applications of consciousness, because how do we use our mind to define reality, to define who we are in time and space? I mean, all the. illusions of, um, of scientism, you know, scientism is the kind of, uh, belief in science without any facts.

Like just scientists are just saying, no, this is how it is. Just trust us on this. And, you know, it's, it's, another fabrication. It's another mythologies that we're taught to believe in what's happening in meditation. And what you're is that we're learning to reflect on what this internal process is. As we meet these others, I think more comes online and so the re, inner reflection can go into different places, you know, I mean,

Kara Goodwin: Hmm.

Alan Steinfeld: and consciousness can [00:17:00] transcend its human, um, realm or what we've been taught is human and, you know, I'm sure the great yogis have met all sorts of Amazing beings in deep meditation and and somehow these beings, whatever they are, whoever they are, are able to get into our heads or come into our dreams.

They can manipulate our thoughts and perceptions and. I think, hopefully, it's all for the best, which is like the slow upgrade into, you know, if you upgrade your computer to this new operating system that's beyond the facility, it won't be able to do it. function, but the slow upgrade, which is what's happening vibrationally, you know, the earth is changing vibrationally and, and the world is obviously changing.

It's not the same as it was, what, five years [00:18:00] ago, everything. So there's a slow process of boiling Until we reach a place where, um, we can create a new world, new society based on consciousness, based on perceptions and not dogmas and, and hardware of the, you know, the government just wants to know what's happening so they can build more weapons.

That's why they're interested in UFOs. And that's, doesn't seem to be happening They, you can't create the technology unless you understand how these beings think. That's my theory. So, you know, how they're going to understand what's going on. If, if they just, and they don't have the thought processes and the evolution of thought to understand who built it and how they built it.

So, so consciousness is really connected to the whole

phenomena. [00:19:00] of what's going on and, and the ability to shift thoughts and have new ideas that are outside the box. That's what I, that's why I call my program on my YouTube channel, New Realities, because we're coming into these new, I mean, perceptions.

Everything that we see around us is not the totality of what is. There's so much more And what we've created is a mess on the, for the most part, I mean, yes, it's also beautiful and, you know, all those great things of, you know, we could feed a lot of people, we can, you know, have comfortable lives, but, you know, those are also traps because it stops us from expand, you know, expanding out of our comfort zone.

So there's

always that balance.

Kara Goodwin: Yes. I'm curious if you've seen three body problem.[00:20:00]

Alan Steinfeld: No, what's that?

Kara Goodwin: It's, it's a series, it was based on a book, but I thought about you while I was watching it because there's also something in making contact in your book, uh, where you talk about the wow factor. And that that's, um, you know, one of the things that, well, maybe you should talk about what the wow factor is, but this, there's one part in three body problem where the scientists are going.

And I think they might've even said something about a wow factor or something, but they were like, we're calling it. Wow. I can't remember, but something specifically wow. And I had just read in your book about the wow factor, but do you want to talk a little bit about that?

Alan Steinfeld: Well, the wow factors of chapters. So the book is made of, uh, 11 different chapters by 12 different people, a couple, JJ and Desiree, her type wrote a chapter together. So, and plus the, my chapter and the introduction by George Norris. So, [00:21:00] uh, but Grant Cameron wrote the second chapter called the wow factor where he says, and I, and you know what?

I don't go along with what everyone said in the book. Yeah. But that's their perspective. And so I don't have to agree with everyone else to include their opinion. So Grant Cameron says that the wow factor is about these ships are showing up just to, for people to be. shocked out of their ordinary way of thinking.

He says, do, do UFOs really need lights on them to travel across the, the universe from wherever they're coming, or do they need to do all these zigzag motions or to disappear? They're doing it because they're, they, we go, wow, there's something going on here. So, I mean, I think partly that's true, but I think there's, there's more to that than just, wow. I think, I mean, I don't know what's going on [00:22:00]really. I mean, there's something more, but you, a lot of people have seen these things and have said, wow, or they've been shocked because they have not been prepared. Like two people can be looking at the sky and one person will see something. The other person will not see anything at all because they're not. trained or they're not, um, they're not used to seeing things out of the ordinary. Like, you know, that famous story of the,

the natives on South America seeing.

Kara Goodwin: just going to say that. Yes. Do

Alan Steinfeld: can't recognize something you haven't cognized. You don't, right. Because recognition means to recognize, but how do you cognize anything? How do you, How you become cognizant of anything is that it's a learned sort of, um, uh, movement. Like, your mother shows you a [00:23:00]picture of a horse. You see the pattern. It's pattern recognition, which is cognition. So you see the pattern, you say, okay, that's a horse that looks like that, that shape, the head, all that. And then you see something and then you recognize you go, Oh yeah, there's a real horse, it's not just a picture. So, but if you haven't learned to. Cognize something, you see something out there, you have no idea what it is and there's no way to relate to it. Well, that's what's happening with the UFO phenomenon. There's no way to relate to something we can't recognize. And it's just like, you know, I think artists and intuitives and empaths are more open to the bigger field, like the shamans of the South American societies, but the ones that have been very limited in their education. see things inside the box. And if something's outside the box, well, I don't know what it is. I'm not going to pay [00:24:00] attention to it. I'm not even going to, for people, they don't even see it because there's no framework for placing something in there. And, um, Right, something

like that.

Kara Goodwin: you want to finish the story that I, I interrupted about the, the, um, natives who saw the ship?

Alan Steinfeld: Oh, well just that, um, you interrupted, you were having the

same idea, we were having the same

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, but maybe the listeners aren't, haven't

Alan Steinfeld: Right, so, um,

Kara Goodwin: it.

Alan Steinfeld: I don't know if it's even true, it's kind of like a modern folk myth now, like the 100th monkey theory, all that, but the native, when the Spanish galleons came across the uh, Atlantic and showed up in South America.

Some people were not able to see these huge ships for what they were. They may have seen something, but they couldn't put it together as a ship because they never saw anything like this. And it took the shaman of the tribe. Who's maybe more [00:25:00] open, more perceptive, more in touch with other realities to say, no, look. Look at this here. Do you see that, that, and that? And I show a film when I talk about this in my, um, well, remote doing classes and other classes where, did you ever see the basketball where the basketball's being passed between one team and another? I don't want to give away the punchline,

but

Kara Goodwin: You're talking about basketball from a girl from Indiana. So I'm all ears. Oh, yeah.

Alan Steinfeld: Oh, I didn't know that was going on. So I didn't want to. Yeah, it's a way of going beyond what you've been told and, um, seeing more to reality, but no one told you that is there. So no one's telling us there's, it's not in the papers, really.

I mean, you occasionally get like a strange story of lights seen over [00:26:00] the sky, but even in the. Pentagon government reports, they say, well, there's balloons and there's anomalous, and there's this other category. They won't even name it. They call it other or they call it unidentified. I mean, if you see something, how do you identify it as unidentified flying objects?

I mean, yeah. doesn't make sense. But yet we, that is because it's, it's, it's, a whole kind of conditioning of messaging. You know, if you control the messaging, you control the The perceptions. So we have to deal with, uh, um, expanding our perceptual framework and that comes down to consciousness and cognition and, and the ability to see, to know that there's more than what we've been told in [00:27:00]Reality Reality is much bigger than any of us can imagine and maybe

can imagine. for

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, well, it's interesting. Several things that you've said keep circling back to this thing where I'm like, do I mention this? And you've said things enough time. Well, it was interesting as we're recording this, we've just had the eclipse and I was on a plane with somebody that I didn't know who was sitting next to me, who had come in from Vietnam, who was an American, um, who was so excited because he was coming up to Indiana.

To watch the totality of the eclipse. And he is a former professor of astrophysics at a prestigious university. And, uh, and he's not there anymore. He's now in Vietnam, but he, um, but I, I was all ears because he's an astrophysicist. So I'm like wanting to know, you know, what do you think about dimension, other dimensions, and what do you think about extraterrestrial life?

And, [00:28:00] and he was so firmly in the traditional scientific, uh, community and academia, that it was really fascinating for me to have that, that other kind of reflection, because I immerse myself in a world of wonder and in a world of expansion and possibility. And he's been trained to follow what's been discovered and proven like from a 3d perspective.

So when I talked about ETS, Or the potential for extraterrestrial life. He started talking about the, the radio signals that we're sending out into deep space, and it's very advanced and it's very high tech and we're not getting anything back. And he said, so it really makes sense that there is other life, but we, we're speculating.

If I, if I were to say we have it, I have to speculate and I'm not in the business of speculating. And I said, well, is it that those radio waves are advanced or is that, you know, Uh, primitive [00:29:00] if we're talking about advanced cultures, and then I was talking about, um, Are we only using technology that could identify carbon based life are are, and are we dealing with carbon based life in every extraterrestrial race?

And it seemed to me that he hadn't considered that possibility, but the conversation with him kept circling back to speculation versus what we can prove and which is valid in science, you know, especially Newtonian. Physics and in, in the sciences that are based in the 3d, but it takes that. Expansion. And I kind of said to him, like, I have the luxury of just being able to spit ball ideas because I am not in an academic setting and I don't have people who are like, show me the data on that.

And what are you, cite your sources and so forth. You know, I can just.[00:30:00]

But it was really fascinating because you've talked about like science and, and what we're being told, but, you know, in that community, that is the culture of let we, of what, what is provable. And so it's really interesting, just again, coming back to balance and

Alan Steinfeld: it's so primitive though. Don't you think to send out, we're not even using radio signals anymore. How ridiculous to be. Stuck in a little box. Like we were, you know, how many, I don't remember the last time I listened to the radio. So we've, we've gone so far beyond, I mean, other higher frequency signals. I mean, if we don't have the equipment, we won't, we're just looking for radio signals.

It's just, it's just very primitive and immature. And. The other thing about Newtonian physics, it's like that is [00:31:00] 400 years old. You realize New Newton invented that, I think in the 16th, um, hundreds or this early 17th, um, hundreds, but um, that's 400 years old. That or 300, it's, we are running the world on Newtonian physics, you know, engine out power, I mean, reaction and. Causation, you know what you what you put out, you get that that that's obviously not what's running these UFOs that show up here and there. There's no propulsion system. They take off in an instant. They disappear in time space. They sometimes they break up into different form. There's a whole. other technology that I think the government's aware of in their crash retrieval program and in reverse engineering, but they're not telling scientists like this guy who they, who they should be say, okay, what's going on?

And, and I mean, it's so much more, um, you [00:32:00] know, of a coverup about money than it is about aliens who cares about aliens when you're you're about to, uh, overthrow the whole fossil fuel industry with free energy, because obviously, you know, they're not filling up their gas tanks to get here. Who's ever coming from wherever.

So if they have this technology that, and, and, and Grush, David Grush, the guy, the whistleblower who came forward says, yes, this is a crime against humanity not to share this technology with the world. So that's a whole other end of the UFO phenomena. It's not alien. It's government not wanting people to realize that there's more to reality.

It's like the church. It's like putting Galileo in prison because he saw that, you know, Copernicus discovered the The Earth was not the center of creation, but Galileo actually sort of proved it with his telescope, um, [00:33:00] looking out at the universe at the solar system there. So we are still like, being in prison by these thought form leaders who don't want us to know the bigger picture of reality and what's possible and that's the worst part of this. Maybe it's all part of a plan to to slowly integrate. But I think we're suffering because we're being denied a technology that could

really help us

in a big way.

Kara Goodwin: yeah, absolutely. Well, I know you, you had something to share about the eclipse and as we, we have just touched on that topic, please

Alan Steinfeld: Oh yeah, yeah, because I didn't see the full eclipse this time because I was in California, but I have been in full eclipses or even major partial eclipses. And I don't know if you remember, but when you were watching, but there's something as the light is [00:34:00] changing, it actually affects the thought process.

It actually affects how we think and perceive reality. So, You know, the light on other planets, other star systems is not the same, and I think that the quality of life is, affects consciousness. And, um, the quality of your sun, so we're here on this planet and we have a sun, and the sun, I think, qualifies the level of consciousness we exist in, like that's how we can exchange with animals, we're all here in the same kind of light, but other beings from other star systems have a different quality of light that kind of, that's just my theory, formats their life.

Yeah. Yeah. their consciousness hard drive, you know, that formats their ways of thinking based on light frequencies. So maybe you notice that as the light was changing [00:35:00] your, if you went with it, the flow of consciousness also shifts

its frequency. Did you

notice that or am I just making

Kara Goodwin: I didn't consciously notice that I had my, uh, my, Eclipse glasses on a lot, which affected, I did keep trying to consciously take them off so that I could notice the atmospheric light, but I was so drawn to watching the action on the sun specifically. Um, and you really, even if you wanted to, you can't look at that.

I mean, it's just, you can't see. Anything, it's not good for your eyes, obviously, anyway, but,

Alan Steinfeld: Well, that's what I

wanted to say, though, that light affects consciousness. And if you weren't looking through the glass at a point, you could notice that as the light changed. The quality of thought changes. I mean, it happens sort of at sunset too, in a way, but it's more dramatic during an eclipse or [00:36:00] even more of a, a partial eclipse where you're getting like light that's filtered in a different way.

I noticed it for myself in partially clips and then, and then, yeah, when it's completely dark, it's like night, but the partial lighting or the reflection of the light. is another aspect of conscious perception. That's,

that's all I wanted to say.

Kara Goodwin: Well, it's really interesting as you say that, because I remember when I was a child, if I was away from home, I had a really hard time in the evening, in twilight. I would get so homesick in twilight, and it became such a pattern that I would dread. Twilight, because I'd be fine all day. I would go up to like my aunt's house, um, for a week in the summer.

And that was specifically when it started, but it would happen at summer camp, like sleep away camp. And I knew it got to the point where I knew I had such a hard time at twilight, [00:37:00] which was always really mysterious to me. And I wondered, what is it about this time of day that makes me so drawn to being home?

And I wondered if it was like, because my mom worked. Outside the home, and that's when she got home. And maybe I, you know, had a deeper, stronger sense of home. But as you're saying that, I'm like, I, I, there's a part of me that wonders if it's a different home,

Alan Steinfeld: Right.

Kara Goodwin: and that light is more aligned with a, a type of light that I am used to in a, a part of my consciousness, I'm not even aware of.

Alan Steinfeld: That's interesting. But also what you're saying, uh, I thought of because a lot of UFO encounters happen at sunset. You may have had some, and I don't know, encounters or abductions or visitations that you just, at that sunset hour that you may not,

Be aware of it.

Kara Goodwin: have any [00:38:00] conscious recollection of, of any encounters myself. I know. When I was, uh, when I was growing up and so when I was, it was kind of like early nineties sort of time, which was a hot time for ETS. And there was a lot of fear around ETS and I was really afraid. I mean, it would keep me up at night.

I was afraid I was going to get taken. I was also afraid I was going to get kidnapped. I mean, I was afraid of a lot of things. Um, but you have had, well, okay. So you alluded to this. You, you. Are pretty sure you've had, and I really appreciate how you frame it. You're always like, I think this is what happened, but, and this is what I know.

And this is what I'm not sure about, but

Alan Steinfeld: Well, I don't think anyone's like, you know, when I, I think I had this abduction and it was regressed, but before I get there, I want to say to you, maybe you were, [00:39:00] because you seem to have some of the symptoms of abduction being like overly afraid and what if you were, what if, how would you feel Kara,

if you were actually

Kara Goodwin: Well, right now I would, where I am in my life right now, I would really love it. Like I.

And, um, and I I feel a connection with different races of ETS and a curiosity. Um, so there's a part of me that would actually really love to have a memory or even some sort of pointer to say like, well, maybe, um, so I'm definitely open to it, but I just don't hold within myself any, anything besides curiosity.

That makes me think that I have.

Alan Steinfeld: Well, I just want to say, you may be open to it, but I'm, I'm happy about, but it's also

very traumatic. It's also like suddenly [00:40:00] nothing is what you thought. And it's so, um, distorting to our normal way. Of thinking and plus being in the presence of those beings, which are totally a different vibration. It just most people go unconscious.

They're not able. They don't have the bandwidth to withstand the frequencies and not in a maybe harmful negative way. They're just. different beings that vibrate at different ways that we're not trained to, to being in the company of. And, um, that's one of the things I hope that we can do is start to vibrate at a higher frequency so we can meet these beings on even playing field, which will allow us to be more lucid in consciousness in their presence.

And, and I think that's another reason they're coming and going. They're appearing and disappearing, but the trauma I think is [00:41:00] not that they're bad or negative, just they're so different and the frequencies are so different. Like, have you ever been around, like, it's not a great example, but really crazy people and they start, you start to pick up on their vibration, you start to tune into and you start to get not sort of weird, but weird thoughts in a sense.

But when you're around these other beings that don't think anything like us, there's and empathic flow that's hard to process because we don't, we haven't been trained in that level of perception. So it can be distorting and confusing, but it doesn't have to be if we start to think in other levels of reality.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm. Yeah. And it's, it's real as you're saying this as well. It makes me think of one of my children who had night terrors when they were young from about the [00:42:00] age of, I want to say two, some, somewhere around two, two, between four and five years old. And when that would happen, they were. Inconsolable. And it was like, and they weren't there, they were shouting and screaming and I would try to hold them and they would push away from me, but then if I put them back on their bed, then they, that would make them more angry.

And they were in this in between state. I'm saying them because I have a boy and a girl, and I don't want to throw anybody under the bus in case they don't want me talking about this, but, um, but they don't remember, they never talk about it. But. But it does make, as you're talking about this, I'm like, I wonder if there was something going on and either they didn't want to come back or they didn't like where they'd been or, or both, you know, I, I don't know.

Alan Steinfeld: Well, I'm curious if they, when they, when they grow up, if they ever were to reread, or [00:43:00] even you, I don't know, maybe you had

night terrors, did you? Or you don't

Kara Goodwin: Not that I know of, I don't know, but I'm having a QHHT session actually on Monday. I don't know if you know, Suzanne Spooner, who, um,

Alan Steinfeld: I

know Sarah Bresman

Kara Goodwin: Okay. They are very close and they do retreats together. So she's like her, you know, in a way they partner in things. Um, and so I do have some questions around like star seed things.

And, uh, because I don't have a lot of conscious awareness again, it's really more of a curiosity, but, but like you say, like the fact that I am curious about it in and of itself. What does that say? You know?

Alan Steinfeld: but not just curious, but, uh, I'd say you're more than just curious. You're sort of, you're sort of in the vibe of that. You're sort of, you know, But maybe your child did have a visitation or trauma and [00:44:00] something went, or past life recall or, um, it

comes from somewhere. I mean, we have to trust our imagination is, even in children, you know, it's not just an imaginary friend or whatever children's have, it's, it's, it's a cognition of something.

Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: True.

Alan Steinfeld: it's more than

imagination, I think, you know, and, um, uh, and for you, so, oh, why, when I say like, I think something happens, because when you're re, when I was regressed back to the moment where I think this abduction happened, you don't, The regressions, like you don't remember it in the same way you remember, Oh, what you did yesterday, what you had for breakfast.

It's it's because you never actually experienced it consciously because you're unconscious. So you're not remembering a conscious recall. You're it's sort of [00:45:00] coming to you like a past life sort of memory. It's like, well, I'm not remembering, but I'm seeing these things. And that's sort of how. Um, the regressions, the, um, abduction regressions happen based on sort of a sense of the thing, but not an actual memory. Even in any trauma, there's a disconnection. That's what trauma is. It's a disconnection from conscious awareness and a kind of automatic disconnection. Behavior comes in because I studied a lot of trauma because I have been writing about alien abductions and what's happening and Trauma is like a fragment frag soul fragment breaks off and you're kind of stuck in this Realm a part of you and the rest of you continues on as if nothing had happened And that whole kind of shut out from conscious awareness, which is [00:46:00] what happens with the alien abduction.

I mean, some people I break it down to like two different categories is the contactees which say, Oh, they're light and love. And then as the abductees, which like, no, that was intense. And I don't know if I really want that to happen again. And, and sometimes there's a crossover where the abductee says, Oh yeah, that was really a positive experience, even though at the time it wasn't.

And, and now maybe I can, uh, a lot of people, whether they like it or not, they do have upgrades in the way they think and the way they. They can perceive more complex, um, ideas, more multi level, um, dimensional realities than, than someone who may not have been abducted, maybe because they have to put these psychological barriers in place, or also because they, in the abduction experience or the, there's a [00:47:00] vibrational shift where you see, Seeing different levels of reality.

So this is something we all have to talk about academically because it's the realities and it's being ignored because those things don't exist. Or like the scientist you met, it's all speculation. Well, it's not speculation for people who've had the experience. It's, it's a reality,

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Yes. Well, we've kind of danced around your own experience.

Alan Steinfeld: right? Let me, if you

Kara Goodwin: yeah, I, I can just feel people like, I want to know what happened to Alan.

Alan Steinfeld: all right. Well, okay, I'll tell you what the lead up was. I'm driving cross country with a girlfriend. It's 1987 It's the year of the harmonic convergence. You probably maybe not remember that but it was a big moment Where a lot of people would come together because it was the first I called New Age holiday or something But anyway, it was kind of a so I was kind of [00:48:00] looking for a place to go But I met this person and Sedona and then we traveled together. It was very romantic and beautiful. And, um, we're coming back. Um, and it was sort of like a setup, you know, there's books where like, you know, if these ET's set people up in partnership and all that, and, you know, I don't know if it was that, but we're driving back east from the West Coast and we stop along the, um, pull off the interstate and just go down this little, just a road, just to sleep.

It was a van, just to kind of sleep for the night because we were driving all day. And then, We just fall asleep. It's like we just pass out and we just kind of go. I mean, maybe we're retired or something, but in the morning we wake up and I'm in the same position we went to bed in. It's like we were in suspended animation and I hadn't talked to this woman in a while and I said, Oh, you know, I wrote this book. chapter [00:49:00] about us traveling and she go, Oh, the night we were frozen. And it's like, yes, it was suspended animation. We woke up in the same position. We went to bed and who even remembers that? I can't tell you what position it's like, you know, I'm tossing and turning, but there was some kind of, um, sense that, that we were taken out of the art world.

Time and space for a moment and then put back into like what I call a time mold, you know, so a frame of time where like on a film strip, which other things happen that piece was taken out and then the film was put together. So, um. The film, the frames match. Oh, you've taken out of this. So all I could call it as a time mold, but I actually did hear Bob Lazar years later, refer to a similar thing where there was this technology where they froze a candle burning and that candle was just frozen in time [00:50:00] space.

So I came up with this idea of a time mold and then I got confirmation from, I think it was Linda Moulton Howe talking about Bob Lazar. And so. That was strange to have this feeling and then get a confirmation of that. So what happened in that I, I was regressed and I think I saw like these beings standing behind the van and it was a lot less frightening than I thought it would be. because I felt a kind of friendliness of these beings. It wasn't menacing. I mean, it was, yeah, it was more welcoming or something,

something. I don't know, but we

Kara Goodwin: do you remember what the, what type of beings were they? the, traditional kind of, Oh,

Alan Steinfeld: beings. They were,

Kara Goodwin: huh.

Alan Steinfeld: at, um, artsoldier77, [00:51:00] her, um, her things on Instagram, there's these beings with big eyes and no. I don't think they have a nose or a mouth, they're just eyes, and that's sort of what I read. So I don't know where they're from, and I'm always suspicious of people saying, oh, well these were Pleiadians, these were Aptorian. I mean, I don't know what that means, you know, I don't know, I mean, I don't know how you can say they're from a certain place, and maybe they are, but I think there's so many races out there and there's so many, like if you are going to Arcturus you see there's levels of civilization in time space that exist in more developmental sequences than, than just what can be named.

So I mean people, but I don't, I mean in the QHT people say, yeah I went there and maybe that's true, but it hasn't been my experience is what I'm saying. So, um, But these beings were [00:52:00] friendly and I think we both had a sort of vibrational upgrade because it's sort of a personal thing, but after that experience, the, the sex we had together was like a whole other level of vibrate.

It was like, Was, it was something beyond that, what it was before you know, it was a real vibration, and I think it was because of this interfacing with these beings that, like I said, you have to kind of rise to a different level of vibration to interchange with them. And people do get blasted with sound and light.

That's common in a lot of abduction experiences. I mean, pretty much 90 percent of the people see a flash of light and hear some kind of vibrational thing that, that I [00:53:00] think is about shifting their frequencies. So I think you'd come back from those experiences

a little shifted. you know, and

Kara Goodwin: you had physical, didn't you have some physical indicators too? Because the QHHT was years, or decade, decades later, two decades later, maybe, or three. Uh, and, but you right away had some markings, right? Right.

Alan Steinfeld: it was my mother who noticed it. She said, what's that four prong puncture mark on the back of your knee? And like, who looks at the back of their knee, right? It was a day or no, it was a couple of days after that experience. And these were scabs that, you know, Oh, I said they must be like some kind of spider bite or something like that.

But you know, the strange and odd thing was that I was living in New York and I started to meet people associated with Bud Hopkins. You know who Bud

Hopkins is? He was,

Kara Goodwin: don't think

Alan Steinfeld: he was an early, [00:54:00] not an early researcher, but he's someone who, who, He used hypnosis, but he was one of the major figures in the alien abduction and the contact experience.

He wrote a book called missing time where he coined that term. you you might, his

books are great. They're really missing time. The watchers,

intruders, these are all,

Kara Goodwin: heard of those. Okay.

Alan Steinfeld: he actually exposed John Mack to the whole alien contact thing. And John Mack, did you know who John

Mack was from my book or from other?

Kara Goodwin: Mm hmm. Um, I think I'd heard of him before but definitely got more

Alan Steinfeld: Well, he was the head of the psychiatry department at Harvard who started to meet people claimed to be abductees and he said, these people must be crazy, but until he started talking to them, and he would use a gentle hypnosis. See, these people are having real experiences. So he came out and, um, started [00:55:00] to, um, Speak up for people's experience.

The yeah. So anyway, getting back to my thing. So I had this thing that I showed people and I was starting to meet some of the Bud Hopkins people and Bud himself. And they said, yeah, that's an

abduction mark. And that, that did two things. It freaked me out. It's like, Oh no. That strange night where I felt like I was frozen in time was something. And it made me obsessed with the subject. It's like, it's like, actually that happens in trauma where you, where you do everything to avoid it. And you also can't stop thinking about it. It's like, it's a strange duality. That happens in traumatic situations. Cause, so I wanted to know everything about what was going on.

And then I started to go to all the conferences and meet all the people. That's how I was able to write this book. I just called these people up. You know, if you go to enough conferences, year after year and see the same people used [00:56:00] to go out to lunch and dinner with them, you hang out. So I just called these people up like Linda Moulton Howe, who's a fantastic.

Did you see her speak in?

Wasn't she amazing?

Kara Goodwin: Yes. Yeah.

Alan Steinfeld: She knows more about this phenomenon anyway. She has a lot of the pieces of the puzzle. But you know, I just called them up and said, hey, would you like to write a chapter for this book I'm calling Making

Contact? And they say, sure, because we're friends, you know, and they want to put more of their information out there in different ways.

So this was a pretty, in a way, easy book to write because it was a really nice overview of people I already knew that were really top in the field. John Mack was no longer. Alive, but I knew his archivist because I had met John and I I did some videos I did I did an interview with John Mack. I had great pick so anyway, I called these people and they all gave me their different perspectives, but Getting back to him.

That was that was the [00:57:00] result of my obsession. I'm saying that because you know when you've discover Something's going on It's like what is it? And I Yeah, part of like, maybe you, oh, you know, I don't remember, but a part of you is like, I want to know everything I can about this subject. I'm not saying you're an abductee, but I'm saying you might be.

I don't know.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Alan Steinfeld: I think everyone could, I mean, some people are saying at least 80 percent of the population, I mean, you should interview Alexis Brooks. She has a whole theory. If you have some sort of phobia, it might be related to this phenomena that. You don't know, like, actually I mentioned my mother and I think they go through generations of, of star seeding where every generation they slightly upgrade the DNA.

So when they get to a certain mixture, they can integrate their DNA, [00:58:00] the ET's DNA with our DNA more in a more cohesive way. So there's you and your children. So, and then there's this mix. And so I think it followed my grandmother, my mother's mother, my mother, and, and then me, because she's, and there's blood types, and my mother's Rh negative, and there's that sort of modification of the blood, which makes it, I think, it's just my theory, more, um, integratable with the DNA of ETs and making these hybrids, which is the ultimate reason why I think they're doing these things is to create a race of beings that, and this is my theory, I'm sure you've heard it, where what they want from us is our capacity

to feel. mixed in with their amazing intellect. Because if you're just [00:59:00] intellect, then you, you miss the whole point of creation. And they bred that out of them. So they're integrating our emotional capacities to feel, to emote, to love, to care, all those things that are really The reason we've

incarnated.

Kara Goodwin: Mm.

Alan Steinfeld: um, there may, I think they're creating a hybrid race that will have the best of both

species and that's other people said that, but it's also

makes sense to me.

Kara Goodwin: Mm hmm. Yeah.

Alan Steinfeld: And so, oh, I say that I mentioned my mother cause she has a strange fear of

cats and it happened after she would get lost in the mountains of Tucson. And I said, well, what is it about cats that are so scary?

Cause I love cats, you know, they're great. Says it's their eyes. And that is, that is a [01:00:00] little trademark and, you know. She doesn't go along with

any of this stuff. So it's just like, you know, she said to me after I wrote this book, you don't really believe that. And I said to her, not only do I believe it, I

made a career out of it.

Kara Goodwin: Yes, right. That's fascinating about cats because I have, like, I don't have, like I've already said, but I don't have conscious awareness of any contact, but I do have experiences where I'm in another realm. I'm in like a quantum realm and I don't, I'm no longer have form, but I'm in like, uh, patterns and shapes and geometries and colors.

And sometimes I see like a portal open, you know, like, or like, it was interesting right before the eclipse, two nights before the eclipse, I saw two, I saw like a [01:01:00] dark kind of sphere and a, an iridescent, like ultra almost ultraviolet sphere phase. and then it, like the energy of it or the light of it kind of started dancing and sparkling as they phased together,

Alan Steinfeld: Wow.

Kara Goodwin: felt like a portal. Um,

Alan Steinfeld: And it was a portal. I bet you did see a couple

of nights before you said you saw

Kara Goodwin: yeah, it was Saturday night.

Alan Steinfeld: Hmm. I wonder if that's when the earthquake hit, um, the

East coast.

Kara Goodwin: Oh yeah. See, I was on a cruise. This was.

Alan Steinfeld: Anyway, I think the eclipse and the

earthquake were related somehow.

Kara Goodwin: Which I only just have kind of briefly understood that that happened. I was, I didn't have internet. I didn't have, I was totally off the grid because I was on a cruise with my family for spring break. So I, I was like really out of touch. Um, [01:02:00] And then I saw something on Instagram yesterday where I was like, Oh, there was an earthquake.

I, and then I'd heard there was one in Taiwan or something as

Alan Steinfeld: Oh yeah, it was a big one in Taiwan. There was a minor one in New York. Um, but as you're describing these portals and these shapes and these things, you look up artsoldier77 on

Instagram, um, Kamara Jones is the artist, but she, she draws these interdimensional ET beings with light language and colors and portals and

all that.

Kara Goodwin: Okay. I'm going to look that up.

But that's kind of my, you know, I, those are more like I'm conscious of those. I know I'm still here on earth and I'm also like, my consciousness is, I don't know. Experiencing something else, but I keep like coming back in, like, you know, I'm still in bed. Like, cause it's usually as I'm falling asleep.

It's not, no, that's not the right [01:03:00] way to say it. It doesn't happen. Usually it happens sometimes. I actually, I don't know if anybody has shared with you, but when I was reading your book, I felt that I received activations. Um, because I had one in particular where I. Had that sort of, it's out of body is the wrong word cause I am in body.

It's quantum. It's like a quantum awareness. Um, and I don't remember where I was in the book when it happened, but I really had, I at least had the idea that the book had something to do with it. So I'm not saying that I received the information that the book did it, but I had the idea that I was primed.

Like what, what if I was primed, this is how I'm always careful about how I say things, but, um, but it did feel like there was something in what I was reading, [01:04:00] not even within the words, but something I was receiving that kind of primed me to be able to have that particular experience at that particular time.

Alan Steinfeld: I did hear that from other people. I have heard that, you know, it's like, I don't know what it is. I don't know what's, but yes, that, I mean, not, not everyone, but there are people who have said that you're, and it wasn't like, I don't know, maybe it's just. bigger picture, but there are books I have read where I have felt that, like Paul Selig's book, the, I am the word, you know, that his teachings,

his writing,

Kara Goodwin: I know of him. Yeah. I have not read his books.

Alan Steinfeld: Oh, his books are activations and there's others, but I'm happy to hear that this

book is that's so nice.

Kara Goodwin: Yes.

Alan Steinfeld: Yeah. I think it's, yeah, I think it's part of, You know, I think I'm assisting and you are too in this [01:05:00] integration of these other realities because It's obvious. I mean, despite what your scientists on the airplane said, it's obvious that there's something going on here, and it's bigger than anything we have known.

It is a moment of truth for humanity. It's, I think it's

very exciting, and

Kara Goodwin: hmm. Right.

Alan Steinfeld: think it will be a renaissance. in a human civilization, if we could really integrate whatever's happening here into our cultural forms and, and transcend the, the wars and the awful things that humans have created. I always say there's much more to fear from humans than there are from ETs, right? We're the dangerous ones.

So

Kara Goodwin: Yes. [01:06:00] Completely. Well,

Alan Steinfeld: is really, I'm really excited about, you know, well, talking to you, you spreading this word, just like I'm a, I mean, a friend used to call ourselves UFO evangelists because it's like, it's like, this is a message, but it's not something we're saying. The government is saying this whistleblower people inside governments and. Uh, pilots, uh, air force, you know, people are saying it's, you know, the, the secret is out or will, it's about to be, and it's slowly, slowly leaking out. It's a slow little

dripping leak, but it's

leaked.

Kara Goodwin: right. And I wonder, going back to how we started this conversation, if that's part of it. The plan, like if the government's not going to do it, if they're going to hold on to and, and hide for whatever reason, if even if they just think we can't handle it [01:07:00] and it would make everybody crazy. Like even if they, let's say they have good intentions, but if it's happening person by person, where our understanding and our consciousness and even our experiences are showing us like, well, clearly there's more going on than what I'm being told.

In the mainstream, because I know it for myself, because I've seen it with my own eyes, or I understand it, it makes sense to me, or whatever it is. You know, that's a very valid, uh, way for, for this transition to happen.

Alan Steinfeld: Well, even that thing you just described where you saw the light chain and there was some kind of portal trust, you're not just seeing a fabrication, you're seeing an actuality that, you know, on some level is re it's there. It's like we have to trust our experiences and yeah, maybe there's distortion, but you're, you're experiencing something Kara. And so are a lot of [01:08:00] people, but since it's outside what we call reality, Most people ignore it, but I'm saying to you and everyone listening, don't ignore your experience, trust your experience. And, you know, if people, there are crazy people out there and you can tell because they are, they don't, they don't question their, I mean, they, They say, Oh, this is true and this is this and, and, and, and, you know, Rumi says, run away from people who have the truth or think they have the truth and run towards people who are looking for the truth because, you know, all we have is our experience, but, um, but there's fanatics out there too, that, you know, I think it's always good to have a little skepticism keep you, um, sane and sober. Uh, and not to deny what also happened. So yes, it's happened, [01:09:00] but you know, something, and it's like, I mean, yes, maybe there are some people who really do know. And I think someone like Whitley Strieber wrote the book Communion. You know, I asked him, Whitley, do you, cause, You know, I know he wrote a chapter in the book.

I was like, do you ever doubt like this goes? No, I'm apps and I do believe he's absolutely sure because he's had more lucid experiences than most people. So he keeps going back. And you know, once you visit those realms enough, or they have that interaction, you sort of get used to like, The fabric of that reality. And it's like, Oh yeah, I'm back there again.

Or, or something.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. It's like these pathways are carved. That's what I'm finding where it becomes easier to get. And it's like, oh, I remember, I know this place, you know? And it's like, okay. And, and sometimes like I'll, there'll be like a, I can see the shadow of it almost. And I'm like, [01:10:00] it's, I'm almost there. How, and it's like trying to kind of use memory, use, you know, your, there's a lot that goes into it.

It's very layered, but it's like, it's right there. How do I, how do I remember how to get there? You

Alan Steinfeld: don't want to scare you, but you're talking like an abductee,

but that's okay.

Kara Goodwin: Yes, it is. And something. Oh.

Alan Steinfeld: No, I'm just

saying it might be something else. What were you going to say?

Kara Goodwin: well, I was going to say, you also made me think, um, when I had a recollection of that phasing in of the portal, I didn't actually remember it right away, but I woke up the next morning and I felt so different and I was like, And, And, I felt this happiness, this like anticipation and I was trying to figure out and remember why I felt that way, you know, when you like wake up and you're like something happened and maybe you don't feel good [01:11:00] about it or you like maybe something bad's going on and you haven't quite remembered it yet, or maybe something great has happened and you don't quite remember it yet.

And, but this went on for a while. Like I was up and walking around and I'm searching my, my memory. What, and then I'm projecting into the future. What is this? Is it the eclipse? Am I just excited about the eclipse? I'm going home today. Am I excited to see my pets? Am I excited? Like, what is, where is this, this feeling coming from?

And none of it was giving me a yes. It was like, yes, I, I am excited to see my pets. Of course. But that's not where the, that's not the origin of this. And then I remembered the portal and it clicked in and I was like, the, it was like something locked in. And I, and as soon as I remembered the portal that I got the yes, and I was like, that's why I, that's what happened.

And I felt different. I mean, I felt like a different version of [01:12:00] myself, but I'm back, you know, and I think I'm just integrated.

Alan Steinfeld: you for sharing that. That is great. And that does happen actually sometimes with contactees or what years later, something clicks in. It's like, there was this whole other chapter of things that happened that they had completely blocked out. And then somebody says something or you read a book or something and it just clicks on, you remember all of it.

All this other stuff. And it's sort of like, maybe that's planned or maybe whatever, but that way you describe it is sort of what happens

to people sometimes, you know,

Kara Goodwin: yeah, yeah, it's fascinating. So interesting.

Alan Steinfeld: it is, which shows you just what the complexity of consciousness and overlays and.

All that.

Kara Goodwin: yeah. It kind of makes me feel like, what the heck do we know? You know,

Alan Steinfeld: Right. [01:13:00] What the bleep do we know?

Kara Goodwin: right. It was like the deeper I go, the more I learn, the more I experience it's, it's almost like, it doesn't make me more, it doesn't make me feel like I know more. It makes me feel like I have no idea that this is such a vast universe and there's so many possibilities. And. And I'm like, so much could be true that I have no idea.

I haven't, don't even have the faintest idea of it being a possibility. You know what I mean?

Alan Steinfeld: Isn't that exciting though? Doesn't that make the whole

Kara Goodwin: It's so fun.

Alan Steinfeld: It is fun. And we're trying to just And the kind of excitement in this field is like, because nobody knows anything about it really, it makes it like, oh, everyone's on an even playing field. Like, we can put together, for me, what's really going on, or what I think is going on, and it's as valid as [01:14:00] anyone else's.

Like, really. And, um, yeah, I think we're really in exciting times because we're about to figure out or understand the next level of reality, you know, like in complexity theories, the old system has to break down completely. And then there's another underlying, more complex, more stable structure. That takes the place when there's too much information coming into an old system. There's another level of complexity that arises that is stabilizing the new information. And that's sort of, uh, I think what, what's happening to us. It's getting more complex, but also we're realizing that the universe is much more complex and we're much more complex. Consciousness is much more sophisticated.

It's not just like I interviewed Deepak Chopra sometimes, [01:15:00] but most of the time he says, Oh, it's just all consciousness, you know? And I say, Deepak, what's the application of consciousness? So that's the key. I think we're learning that. And I'll just tell you one little story about

meditation if you're, well I was a really hyper active child maybe because I was some some starseed or something like that but I could never fall asleep especially if it was light and there I'm like two or three years old and I'm just um you know tossing and turning.

And in bed, and I remember this until I closed my eyes and then I just remember, okay, if I close my eyes and just look into the infinite darkness or something, I, it was, I could feel a sort of calmness and then I'd see like a light and it was just like, it was like an It a very early form of meditation.

I'd see this white light and just be traveling on that light when I was like two or three years old [01:16:00] and I didn't know what I was doing, but it was like my own little creation that helped me kind of, um, feel more, objective about the world. Maybe it's the Aquarian birthday, but also feel like I wasn't caught up in a lot of the human drama because I knew there was this infinite world within us. And outside of us, so, I don't know, just fits in with your, um, meditation

conversation.

Kara Goodwin: Yes. Thank you for sharing that because it also. You have so many things that I'm like, yes, and me too, because within really recently, like within the last, maybe two or three months, I've had this, what I'm calling, like, I don't even know if it's a real memory. I have this memory and I don't know if it's real, but I, I, I do remember being in bed and I [01:17:00] must have been about four years old because of the house that I was living in.

And I like you, I, except I think I was waking up rather than going to sleep. And I could see these lights, like these circular lights. And I feel like this is where the memory comes in where I'm not sure if it's right or not, but I feel like I asked my mom what the colors are, what the colored lights are when you close your eyes.

And. That it was like just a rational explanation that I, I took for like, Oh, okay. It's not basically it's nothing. It's your brain firing, whatever it was. It was something physical and it just told me it was nothing special. And looking back, I question now, I'm like, I think that that was, there was an intelligence.

to those lights. And then I learned to ignore them and that it was nothing. But I [01:18:00] remember I felt like I had some sort of relationship with it, you know, that I, that I, um, but, but also I have a memory of eating food and feeling like. Almost sorry for my food as I ate it because like when I eat these peas, then the peas that are on the plate are going to miss their friends that are now in my, in my tummy.

And maybe they'll be, you know, let me put some more of their friends in my, you know, so it's like, I felt like I had this relationship with everything. So who knows if it was really like, if I'm making more of that memory.

Alan Steinfeld: making more of it, it, it, it kind of helps you with your unique perspective. It's very shamanic what you're saying, so it's what made you different than a lot of people who just, you know, want to, you know, Watch the kids and take them to football game or whatever. It made you like, no, I want to do a podcast.

It's like, or explore these other, or even [01:19:00] read a book like mine. It's like, it's those things are qualities, which, you know, oh, you can appreciate because, you know, you. been in training to awaken other people and

congratulations.

Kara Goodwin: Oh, well, thank you. Cool. Well, I could talk to you forever. I have loved every second. I can't believe that it's the time that it is. I'm so sorry. I hope you didn't have something going. Cause,

Alan Steinfeld: I've enjoyed this too. I enjoy your intelligent conversation, your humor, your perspective. No, I think I've,

I've, I've had a good time. Thank you.

Kara Goodwin: oh, thank you. Well, tell people how they can find you and new realities in your book and everything.

Alan Steinfeld: Right, right. So I've been doing for the last, I don't know, since YouTube began, 20 years, a YouTube channel called New Realities, youtube. com slash new realities, which interviews all the people channeling all the experts in the field of [01:20:00] UFO contact and researchers. And so that's been going on. And, um, not just that, but consciousness people and, um, artists and scientists. Bruce Lipton is one of my favorite interviews. So that's on my YouTube channel. And also I wrote this book called Making Contact. Is that reversed on your

screen? Oh, there it is.

Kara Goodwin: No, it's not reversed on mine, but mine looks reversed. Is it reversed to you?

Alan Steinfeld: Mine

looks reversed here.

Kara Goodwin: No, it looks right to me.

Alan Steinfeld: Anyway,

um, so yeah, you can pick up the book on Amazon, which is the best way to get it. Just, um, go to it. It was on the bestseller UFO list,

which was great. And then I'm also speaking at conferences. I'm speaking at contact in the desert coming up in the end of May. When will this

be posted?

Kara Goodwin: I'm not sure [01:21:00] yet, but by then I'm sure.

Alan Steinfeld: Okay. The end of May, um, May 30th, June 2nd, Contact in the Desert. I'm doing lots of conferences. I'm going to be at the Conscious Life Expo next year in LA. I am doing, oh, there's a, there's a galactic cruise that I'm doing that you, you just got back from a cruise. You might like to go on a galactic cruise with a bunch of other galactics down the Yucatan. I'll, I'll send you the link for that. You could put

it when you post this. That'll be. Really fun. There'll be lots of great people. I think Sarah Cosman, Brexman Cosmay is going to be on that cruise, along with

Vivian Chavez.

Kara Goodwin: Oh, I love her. Yeah. She's going to be on soon. Um,

Alan Steinfeld: contact, more involved in what actually happens, as far as I can see. Um, what's really going on in terms of the evolution [01:22:00] of consciousness as we interface with these people, beings, and how we get beyond the fear, which a lot of people still have, a lot of mainstream have. And, you know, Like, I think we've decided they're not here to invade us, like all the projections, those are just, uh, what we think, but it's not what's real, because they're just coming from the past, so what's, what's, coming, and I don't wanna, like, make a prediction, but it's like, it's different than anything we can think of.

It's, it's, it's anything we think it is, is only contained within the limits of human thought. And what's, what we're being exposed to is something that's a huge upgrade that we have yet to even conceive. It's beyond the imagination, which is great, makes it exciting. Most people fear what that would be because they're [01:23:00] only projecting what they can imagine, but something that's beyond imagination.

We've already, look, human history is beyond imagination. been full of the worst that people can do to each other. Those are things imaginable, what we can imagine. I think it's just exciting. It's just an, it's a, just, um, possibilities that will take us into. Unknown realities, which is, it's, it's about where we're supposed to be as ongoing evolving beings in a planet that's not been quarantined or locked down in a matrix that keeps us a very Stuck in limited thinking.

We're about to reach unlimited possibilities, which is what's happening all the time. You know, when I studied with the Aborigines, I spent time with them in Australia, their religion is dream time. And what dream time is where you can break, [01:24:00] um, let go of your normal thoughts. thinking and let the flow, I call it the Tao, the infinite flow through your consciousness so you become one with the current of, of the quantum field. That's what I would say. And that's possible for all of us. And that's where, you know, inventions and creativities and discoveries all All lie in the unknown. They all lay in that realm. Because We're about to discover more unknown. Like, like you say. And that's, that's only gonna uplift us. I think. That's my spiel.

Kara Goodwin: beautiful. Well, thank you so much, Alan. Thank you for all the work that you're doing, that you've been doing for decades to help advance everybody into new realities and for creating your book and for being here today and for everything you're [01:25:00] doing to help lead us. I

Alan Steinfeld: That's so sweet. Thank you, Kara. People can reach me at newrealitiesatearthlink. net. I, I take emails and, you know, I love talking about this because it is so unknown. it's it's something that just keeps feeding the creative mind to start to integrate. And there's, there might not be an end to this because, um, it's like, it's like art, you know, there's no end to what creation can give us. So, but thank you for being so kind and sweet and

intelligent and, and, you know, and with me in the conversation, you know, you're not just asking questions, we're discovering something together, which makes

it more exciting.

Kara Goodwin: oh, that's so beautiful. Thank you so much.

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