347. Permanent Peace: Breakthrough System for Anxiety Relief - Daniel Packard

 [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to the meditation conversation. The podcast to support your spiritual revolution. 

I'm your host, Cara Goodwin. And I can't wait for you to dive into this fascinating episode with Daniel Packard. Daniel has dedicated many years to researching how to get people from managing their anxiety, people, pleasing, perfectionism, and procrastination to actually healing it with a simple and quick method. 

has an engineering approach to understanding the world. And he

And he applied that to understanding how people get in these self-sabotaging cycles. You're going to benefit so much from hearing what Daniel shares and it's important for you to also know that with his system, you don't pay until you see results. With a 90% success rate. 

This model seems very much to be a win-win. Daniel Packard is just remarkable. And his work is groundbreaking. He's a UC Berkeley mechanical [00:01:00] engineer who turned his painful 10-year battle with severe anxiety into a mission to engineer, an actual permanent solution for anxiety. After 10 years of research and testing, working with 3000 people. From five continents. Daniel and his research team made the breakthrough discovery. 

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Daniel Packard: I'm actually feeling quite colored. I'm wearing yellow pants right now. I'm feeling very, very

Kara Goodwin: That's awesome. I, um, I, yeah,

Daniel Packard: as an American male, we're raised in a culture that says you can basically dress like a slob, or no matter what age, you can dress like a old with cargo shorts and baseball hat. And when I got to Italy, I went, Hey, men can look pretty too. It was a real eye opener of like, oh, I want to wear a suit and look debonair and and it got me It opened my eyes to being fashionable and caring what you look like and and so i'm so grateful to

Kara Goodwin: I remember, uh, I was a couple of months having moved back and I, I was coming back from a yoga class and I grabbed a Starbucks on the way home and I caught a glimpse of myself in the window in this, in yoga clothes, holding a Starbucks coffee cup. And I took a picture and I sent it to my two best friends there.

One's Italian and one's, um, from Paris. And I was like, Oh my God, you guys, I'm fully back. This is devastating. I'm like, I'm completely an American woman again. It's like, here I am wearing workout clothes in public and. I've got my Starbucks takeaway coffee. I can't even be bothered to just stand at the counter and, and have a shot of coffee.

Anyway. Okay.

Daniel Packard: Well, I appreciate that for ours. You're wearing you seem it's either a nice blouse or a nice dress So thank you for bringing some feminine

Kara Goodwin: Oh, thank you. Well, yesterday was my birthday and this was one of my birthday presents and I'm excited that you noticed it. Thank you. Oh, of

Daniel Packard: Okay? If we're not in a rush, I need 35 seconds to give you a customized birthday song. Are you open to receiving this gift?

Kara Goodwin: course.

Daniel Packard: Okay, here we go. This is an original by Daniel Packard, aka the Danimal. Here we go. Happy birthday to you. Happy, happy, happy, happy, happy, happy to you. H h happy birthday, dear Carl. That's you. Happy birthday to you.

Kara Goodwin: well, thank you so much. That was so beautiful. That was the most customized birthday version of the happy birthday song I've ever heard. Thank you so much. And

Daniel Packard: I received that gift. That wasn't original. Just for you. Will not be repeated. That was for

Kara Goodwin: I so appreciate it. And what is unique about this is that I have already started recording. And the reason I've done that is because I have learned that sometimes just like we had with the echo cancellation, sometimes the software. I hit record. It tells me it's recording and it delays on one side or the other.

And then something gets cut off in the very beginning. And so I was like, I'm just going to start recording early. And I did that and I captured it. And so this, we might use this as a clip or something, depending on how you feel like that.

Daniel Packard: think we should. Now, normally, uh, think that, well, first of all, I surrender. And if I was on your meditation podcast telling people I could help them, and I was a controlling perfectionist, people probably wouldn't trust me. Much? So just to stay on brand, I will say I will open and surrender to whatever is happening right now.

Kara Goodwin: I love it. I love it. This is so much fun already. And we haven't even started yet. This is amazing. Okay. Well, I want to tell you, we are about to get started. Um, I do the intro afterwards and I just share a few highlights and kind of let people know what's coming in the episode. Um, so we're going to get right into it.

Does that sound good?

Daniel Packard: Okay, can I, so you do a little bit of

Kara Goodwin: Yes, I do.

Daniel Packard: Okay, uh, two things, if possible. Um, When Joseph introduced what I do, he, we're just changing, anyway, he usually will say anxiety only, partly because it's, people are struggling with that, and it's an easy to understand, we're solving anxiety, and that's a compelling topic. Um, however, uh, my company really helps people with multiple things, and we'll get into that as we talk. So, in the intro, know what bio, we, I think I can send you an updated bio

Kara Goodwin: Great.

Daniel Packard: don't even know if you look at the bio, but if we can say, just, we want to stay away from anxiety only. So that we just, um, and I'll handle that when we start talking, but in the intro, if you have anything from Joseph that says anxiety solution pioneer or anxiety only. leave that out and put in whatever

Kara Goodwin: Oh, that's great. Yes. Because, and you know, a lot of my questions are about anxiety, but, but I just use my questions as railroad or as a guardrails. So, um,

Daniel Packard: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: good. I'm glad to know that. So I will tailor.

Daniel Packard: And you can still ask the anxiety questions, but because you're quite knowledgeable, once I start, get going, A, your questions

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Daniel Packard: and B, you can still ask the anxiety questions, um, because they still apply to what we're talking, what we're really gonna be talking about is

Kara Goodwin: Okay.

Daniel Packard: um. So, anyway, it'll all work out.

I trust your skills and knowledge and, and we're already aligned, so it'll

Kara Goodwin: Okay.

Daniel Packard: yeah, we're just letting people know we're helping them beyond just

Kara Goodwin: Okay. That's awesome. All right. Well, are you ready? Okay.

Daniel Packard: I am, I like to do a little 30 second jujification. Prayer to

Kara Goodwin: Okay. Okay.

Daniel Packard: There's a lot of masculine logistics that go in to creating your show and scheduling and timing and you know, the internet. It's all masculine. But before we start, I always just like to drop into my heart and just say that I am grateful to be here.

I'm grateful that I get to wake up every morning and And just be in purpose, whether it's helping people or being on a wonderful show like this, I get to be in purpose and feel fulfilled and I don't take it for granted. It's what we all want. I get to live it every day. I'm grateful for that. I'm grateful to you, Cara, for all your hard work to build this And grateful that you trust me and share it, uh, for a while with me. And I know that we're going to have a wonderful inspired conversation. I'm going to sing my song. You're going to sing your song and whoever wants to dance to our music is going to hear it and dance. so to anybody out there that's ready to hear our transmission, get ready to dance and with appreciation, gratitude, and surrender. I say let's do this. you. And amen.

Kara Goodwin: Thank you so much. That was beautiful. Amazing. Okay. Well, welcome Daniel. I am so excited to be connected with you today. Tell us about your journey from your childhood to your breakthrough discovery about anxiety and fear and what's led you to where you are now.

Daniel Packard: Well, I like to tell my story because it's important that people understand what we've developed because what we're bringing to the world really is innovative. And since we're in an industry where there's a lot of people that over promise and under deliver, it's good people sort of know where I came from and my company came from, because it'll make more sense why what we've created is a real innovation. Um, before I get into my story, I always am mindful of your listeners and I always like to be clear about the value of what I'm going to bring because it really is innovative and it might get missed unless I'm really clear. So firstly, you know, this is a meditation podcast. It's called the [00:03:00] Meditation Conversation. So, um, to your audience, obviously most of them I'm guessing are meditators and I deeply appreciate. Meditation. I know why people do it. I used to do a lot of it. My best friend was a monk who followed Yogananda and he was a devoted meditator. My business partner is a meditator. So meditation is one of the more beautiful, healthy ways to make life better. usually there's something that people are struggling with or that is keeping them from the life that they want, that they are using the meditation meditation. Four. Could be overthinking, could be anxiety, could be, uh, worry, could be too in the mind and not in the heart. There's just lots of reasons that people use meditation as a wonderful way to make their lives better and live, be happier, be more focused, whatever it is. And that absolutely works. [00:04:00] However, I wouldn't call it a downside, but it's an inefficiency. Which is, you meditate, and the thing that you're struggling with, or you'd like less of, or you want more of, you will get some improvement. Wonderful. But the question I ask to you, Kara, and your audience is, is it permanent?

Kara Goodwin: It does take continuous choice to keep engaging with it.

Daniel Packard: Very eloquently said, yes. Continuous, which is code for you have to keep doing it. Now, that's, working, that's great. However, I was speaking to this woman, it was about 10 years ago, and she said, you know, I used to be a, a, a chain smoking neurotic, and meditation just saved my life. I meditate every morning, and I, it just, smoke, and I'm great.

And I thought, that is just wonderful. And, and just the engineer, I mean, the scientist in me, I said, uh, I said, but what happens if you stop meditating? She said, oh, I start smoking, I'm a total neurotic. I went, okay, is fine, like, at least you've got [00:05:00] something. that's the only downside, the inefficiency, is you kind of have to keep doing it, which is not bad, but it's just inefficient, or you meditate, you get some benefits, and it lasts a while, maybe an hour, two hours, three hours, but then, you know, the crunchies and the critters and the, you know, I want to use the fancy Sanskrit words, critters, you know, start to come back, and Wouldn't it be nice either didn't have to meditate as long or there was the benefits of your meditation lasted longer? And the reason I know that's possible is because when we were developing our system, we, uh, I was going all over the world doing research with different cultures, religions, different backgrounds, because we wanted to develop something universal that worked for everybody and got much better results. And so I spent five months in Dharamsala, India, where the Dalai Lama lives, and I'm going around there. And I'm working with monks. You know, these are, these are elite level professional grade meditators. [00:06:00] So I got to work with meditators and I was working with a non profit, a non violent non profit, non violent non profit, yeah. And many of them want to be non violent, would meditate, you know, to quiet the anger and the ego and the violence. And I started working with them and showing them the tools in the system that we were developing. Because I said, how long are you meditating every day to kind of keep this non violent, compassionate, empathetic, and they said, you know, between one to two hours a day. And I said, first of all, thank you for doing that. That's incredible that you're putting in that much time to be non violent in the world and to be compassionate. But would you like to meditate a little bit less and get the same results, or meditate the same amount of time and just be more compassionate?

Just get more results. And they said, sure. So they started using early prototypes of the tools that we were developing, and what we saw in these meditators is that their baseline, just their natural state, was becoming more compassionate, more loving, less violent, just naturally. It was, it was, [00:07:00] and it was their default. So they had to meditate less to get the same benefits. Or, when they did meditate, the benefits lasted longer and longer and longer. So what I'm going to be sharing with you, with your audience, is something that can really, this probably isn't the best word, turbocharge your meditation, that's not the best word.

But, amplify the results. I'm an engineer, I love results, and so if you're a meditator, and you love it, which you should, and maybe meditate less. maybe once a week instead of once a day Or you love meditating and you want the benefits to last instead of a couple hours a couple days If you'd like to just get more benefits from your meditation, i'm going to show you how to do that

Kara Goodwin: That sounds amazing. All right. So how,

Daniel Packard: So now i'll tell you

Kara Goodwin: yeah, I was going to say, so how did you even get, get to this point?

Daniel Packard: I got to this point And this point is two things one of the points is the [00:08:00] company that I started Our passion is results Permanent results. There's a lot of things out there, meditation included, which one could argue is managing things, which is wonderful, it's, it's managing, and our passion is not only measurable results, but permanent results. And the reason results matter to me a lot is because growing up, my dad was a physicist, and he sat me down when I was young, and he said, you know, Daniel, anybody can have a theory or an idea. But results matter. It's the person who gets results that really knows what they're talking about. Results matter.

And I like that idea that, yeah, you know, anyone can say anything, but results matter. And that love of results and making things that work to get results me to engineering school at UC Berkeley, where I was professionally trained. How to look at complex problems and create simple solutions. And then you would build a prototype, but then you would test, you would see, does this thing get results or was it just theory?

And then you would test and [00:09:00] refine and improve until you get something that works and gets consistent results. the good news was I knew how to make machines work, but the bad news was they never, taught me how to make life work. Um, so, yeah, I could make a robot that played ping pong, but I was an anxious, insecure, procrastinating, perfectionist, people pleaser. So, yay! And, you know, like a lot of your audience, I go looking for help. So I go to therapists and psychologists and gurus and teachers and coaches. I spent months in ashrams and retreats and sitting at the foot of gurus, even living in the ashrams of Yogananda. Again, my best friend was a monk with Yogananda.

So I went to India, spent time there, went to the ashram in Italy, spent time there and I'm working, working, working, working. And after 10 years and a hundred thousand dollars, you know, what results did I get? Well, Things were better, you know, I could manage things [00:10:00] better, but it was all still there. It was all still there, which just isn't great results. I wanted to be free of this. I wanted to be free to just be an open hearted, confident, um, person, not temporarily and not because I meditated, just it's my default. And. I just didn't see that in the market. There weren't things that would get fast, permanent results. So I'm an engineer and I thought, well, for my own pain, but also there's a lot of people out there that are, have things where they're managing, but they'd like to be free of it. So I started my own research company, full liberation technology with the goal. see if we could reverse engineer a process such that, if a person works the steps, they get a permanent result. Which is to have a quieter mind, for the anxiety to go away, for the procrastination to go away, the people pleasing, the worry, just, it's gone. And we didn't know if it was possible, it was just a goal. it was way, way, [00:11:00] way harder than we've, it sounded good. When I came up with, it's like, Ooh, I'm going to start a company so that people can be free. It was so hard, but the beauty of engineers Cara is. We are dedicated, passionate problem solvers. We get locked on to something and we just go at it until we solve the problem. That's where great inventions come from. You know, the Wright Brothers, it took four years. Edison, it was a thousand prototypes with the light bulb. Most of the innovation we see is engineers and scientists who aren't the smartest, but they're just dedicated problem solvers.

And that's what engineers are. So we spent a total of eight years, worked with 3, 000 people on five continents, over a million dollars in research and development. But after all that hard work, focused hard work, we cracked the code, which was an understanding of human consciousness that no matter what you're struggling with, anxiety, overthinking, worry, negative self talk, um, people pleasing, low self esteem, we have a system where at the end of the system and working the steps, the symptom is gone and not coming back.

And it's measurable. We measure you as you go through it with several [00:12:00] emotional biomarkers. And because results matter so much to us, when people work with us, you do not, you don't pay at the beginning. Because we haven't gotten you results yet. pay us at the end of the six week process once what you're struggling with is gone and not coming back.

And we do that for two reasons. is, what we've done is a real innovation. And people don't trust innovations. They'll say, it sounds too good to be true. I've had this my whole life. You can't get rid of this in six weeks. I'm like, I know. Be skeptical. I totally get it. But, you only pay at the end when you get results. that helps skeptical people. open and we get to help them. So that's one reason we do it. The other reason is I'm an engineer, man. Results matter when people are in pain and you're struggling. Understanding's nice. Insights are nice. Tips are nice. People want results. They want to be free to be happy and fulfilled. if we can't get you that result, it just doesn't feel right to charge people. We want to get you to happiness. And if we, if we can't do that, we're not charging you now we can, we have a 90 percent success rate, but [00:13:00] when we can't. We don't charge you, because it's not

Kara Goodwin: And so when you talk about a system, is this, talk a little bit about what the system is. I, I'm still not clear. Is this a technology? Is it a device? Is it, um, a series of steps with breath work or what, what is the, um, what's the protocol like?

Daniel Packard: Excellent, excellent, excellent question, Cara. Thank you. there's two answers to that. Sort of like, how does this work? Sounds great, but like, how does it work? Because if I don't explain how it works, it just sounds too good to be true. So, just it's a technology in that my definition of a technology is something that takes, makes something complex, simple, and usually is an improvement and usually is more affordable. That's one definition of technology. And so this is a technology, but it's really an inner technology. There's no device. There's no zapper. There's no waves. It's basically an inner gym. [00:14:00] And the reason it gets such great results is for two key reasons. The first off is it's a system. So what does that mean? Well, as we know in life, systems make complicated things simple. And it lays out steps. But there's two parts to a system. One is, To get anything done in this world fast and efficiently, usually you need a complete set of tools to get the job done. If you're a contractor, you have contracting tools. If you're a dentist, you have dentistry tools. You know, um, accountants have accounting tools. Usually you have a set of tools that are designed to work together to get the job done. If a, if a contractor showed up to your house and you were hiring them to renovate your house and they had a hammer and they were like, we got a hammer. I am really, really good with this hammer. I got a hammer. That's great. Hammers are good. I'm not dissing hammers. But would you be a little bit suspicious that maybe they can't get the job done if all they have is one tool? Yeah But when I went looking for help for the most part I would go from therapist to psychologist to guru to coach And usually it was like one or two tools [00:15:00] here And I would try it and work and work and work and work, and then I would fail, beat myself up, think I was broken and something wrong with me.

Then I'd go to another teacher, coach, or guru and learn about their tips and tools and try and try and try and fail. And so two things. One is, what we've developed is an optimized toolkit. All the tools in one place that have been designed and optimized and tested to work together to get the job done, address the root cause. So A, one part. But also I want to tell your audience, part of the reason you haven't. free of what you're struggling with, it's not your fault. You need multiple tools working together that are designed to work together. And that's not offered usually. So if you're listening to this and you still have the overthinking or the worried mind or whatever it is you're struggling with and you blame yourself and you think there's something wrong with you, you're broken. It's not your fault. It's that this industry usually gives individual tools for management but not a comprehensive toolkit to address the root cause. So that's the first part of the system. The second part that you need for a system isn't out there [00:16:00] usually is, well let's say, let's say you had a friend who tasted a chocolate chip cookie and they thought, this is the most delicious thing ever, I want to know how to make chocolate chip cookies. And you hand them everything they need, the complete tool kit to make a chocolate chip cookie. All the ingredients all the tools, the bowls, the whisk, the oven, everything they need to make a chocolate chip cookie. But they did not know how to bake at all. Even if they have everything they need, are they going to be able to make a chocolate chip cookie?

Kara Goodwin: No.

Daniel Packard: Why?

Kara Goodwin: They need to know the steps and the process. Yeah. Yeah.

Daniel Packard: Like, do I take the egg and throw it in the oven? Do I take the whisk and sing into it? What do I do with the flour? Do I put it on my face? And like, what do you do? You don't know. What you have is the instructions. What to do, in what order, [00:17:00] in what amount, for how long. Every little thing is measured. And when we looked at what was available, That's not what we get in personal development and spirituality. It's usually like you learn a tool and it's, for me, it was like, good luck. You know, here, quiet the mind. Good luck. Here's some breath work. Good luck. And I would fail. And then I'd beat myself up and think I was broken. you, our system gets a 90 percent success rate. And the reason we can back up our results is because we have the two things you need. A complete comprehensive toolkit that addresses the root cause, but also super simple, easy to follow instructions. You do this on this day for this amount of repetitions for this long. Next day, do this, this amount of repetitions for this long. It's really simple, easy to follow so you can't get confused and fail. And the reason that matters to us is. We want two results. One is to help people be free, but also we don't want you to fail and then feel crappier about yourself. I know that pain. And when [00:18:00] you are sold things that set you up for failure, you end up failing and beating yourself up. So have all the instructions to make things simple. So to answer your question, the system, all the tools and the instructions, it's based in exercises that you do. When your symptom arises, approximately five times a day for five minutes. And when you apply the tools, in the order that we say, to the symptom that you're struggling with, over the six weeks, you heal the root cause, and the symptom either goes away permanently, or goes way down permanently.

Kara Goodwin: Wow. And so how, how do you measure that? Because you mentioned that you, that it's verifiable and, you know, you kind of made that point early on that if you, if you don't know what the results are, then there's nothing there for it. You know, there's no substance but how were some ways that you measured that?

Daniel Packard: Again, excellent, excellent. Sometimes when I'm on podcasts, the person is just, I'll just say it's cynical. It's fine to be skeptical, but they're just cynical. And I'll just be sharing this thing that we spent [00:19:00] eight years working on. And we have this incredible thing where we don't charge. And instead of saying, wow, That's really impressive.

I don't know if what you're doing is true, but like, I'm impressed. I'm open. They just keep, like, shooting me down, and you're understandably skeptical, but you're asking good questions. You're, like, curious, but you're asking the right questions, so I

Kara Goodwin: Oh, well, thank you. I appreciate it. I think it does sound amazing. I'm just trying to understand. Yeah, it's great.

Daniel Packard: Yeah. No. So, I got pulled into the lovey dovey moment of appreciation. What was your question?

Kara Goodwin: I was curious about learning more with how you measured the results that you talked about, um, because that was so important to the process was being able to verify what the results are. I think you said there were some markers

Daniel Packard: Okay.

Kara Goodwin: that you were looking for, right?

Daniel Packard: We call them emotional

Kara Goodwin: Okay.

Daniel Packard: So, the symptoms that most people come to us are for anxiety, people pleasing, procrastination, overthinking, perfectionism, and low self confidence. Things like caring what people think of you, needing people to like you. Um, [00:20:00] and each of those, it took a while to create one to ten measurements can give you a profile of that particular pain point.

For anxiety, for instance, you can measure it from one to ten for you. Is it a one? Is it a ten? Then, there's the peak. know, what was the worst it got today from 1 to 10? That, that is different than what was your average, but also how long did it last the day? So we have an app, and as the client goes through our program, you are reporting online, uh, 2 to 3 times a day, your data. And we have create, it took a while to create sort of a containment, each of the pain points. For instance, procrastination is a lot easier to track. We look at, basically, how much time did you spend avoiding what you wanted to do?

And it's very easy. You just measure. Also, how much time did you spend doing what you wanted to do and what you love? And you can keep track of it. [00:21:00] Also, Uh, most procrastinators can't stay focused for a very long time. They sort of start and stop and start and stop. So, we will measure one of our biomarkers is, what was your consistent focused workflow throughout the day?

That's just an example. So, for instance, a gentleman, uh, Martin from the UK, went through our program three months ago. He had tried, I mean, literally everything. Hypnosis, meditation, things to control his procrastination, goal setting, all. Everything. And he said, I met somebody at a conference who worked with you.

He was a procrastinator. He wasn't living the life he wanted to live. And he said that you only charge at the end. And he said, wait, what? Who? I'm, what? I, what? and he saw that that mattered. Results matter. So he reached out to us. He said, I'm skeptical, but open. And so for him, his, this is only in six weeks, his procrastination time, meaning how long it took him to get started on something, went from 90 minutes down to about

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

Daniel Packard: In six weeks. [00:22:00] The amount of time that he got to work on what mattered to him, and love went from about 15 minutes up to three and a half hours per day. That's in six weeks. And his focus time, this was the great part. Uh, basically went from, I think, five minutes at a time, before he would distract himself, to an hour, to two hours.

He would just get into the zone, and be in purpose, and joy, and

Kara Goodwin: That is remarkable.

Daniel Packard: short answer is, we can measure, and you, the client, self report every day, your data. And so you can track your trend as you go through the system. Does that

Kara Goodwin: Yes. And how many people are on medication for those exact things? Because they can't, I mean, that's incredible. You know, if, if you aren't able to stay on task and you avoid, you know, all this avoidance and the, you know, there are a lot of people using medication to try to. Overcome those [00:23:00] types of things.

So not only being able to do that in that amount of time, but also naturally is that's incredible. What a huge opportunity. Yeah, that

Daniel Packard: Basically a crap ton of focused hard work, but it is incredible. And so thank you for appreciating, and it is natural. There's no pills. It's not a trick. I'll explain to you how we're getting these results, but it's also, you know, he was a meditator because even though one of his symptoms was procrastination, part of the reason he had procrastination is because he had a very critical, overactive mind that kept sabotaging him doing things. So that's one reason that people meditate is to quiet their mind. And so. Not only, because our approach is going to the root cause, not only did his procrastination basically get cleared up, but also his mind went quiet. And my mind has been quiet for eight years [00:24:00] straight. I used to have a critical, overactive mind that just used to beat the living crap out of myself.

You know the, you know the judges from the Muppets? Do you remember them? Those guys were in my mind on meth, just, you're unlovably ugly, what's wrong with you, no matter how sick, just constant, constant, and I would have to meditate to quiet those judges in my mind, and because I'm one of the early test cases of our system, my mind, it's just dead quiet, it's just quiet, and when it does talk, it says nice things, I look in the mirror, and I'm like, I do me, I love me, I adore me, And so for you meditators out there with an overactive critical mind, I am telling you it's possible just to have a mind be quiet permanently and stop beating the crap out of you.

Not temporarily, it's permanently. And it is awesome when your mind is not cannibalizing

Kara Goodwin: that the value in that, I mean, I really feel that is one of the huge hurdles that much of humanity is here [00:25:00] to overcome, um, or that's kind of gotten baked into the living existence. That is this almost like a, an artificial, you know, it wasn't really, it's not really part of. who we are naturally, you know, from a, a higher standpoint.

And it's just this like residue of human life. and so being able to work with the overly critical mind is, is huge. That's amazing.

Daniel Packard: We, you just said two very true and profound things, very articulately said, baked in, like it's almost in. another one you said that was very eloquent, but the point is there's two things that are baked in. One is, yes, the average person is walking around this negative self talk that's demoralizing them, demotivating them, lowering their self esteem, slowing them down, but also just scaring the living crap out of them, and when we're in fear, we can't be the open hearted, purposeful [00:26:00] people we want to do.

Our mind is a real problem. Nobody, you don't need me to tell you that. However, even at best, meditation is temporary. mind will start coming. But the other reason it's baked into us is because the approach that everybody's been taking, the approach that my system, my company was started to push back on, is that we're just, managing it is just acceptable.

You know, people

Kara Goodwin: Right.

Daniel Packard: it's wonderful. I saw Jerry Seinfeld talking about Transcendental Meditation, and he's singing the praises. Now, it does help, but it's temporary. And that's baked into like, let's just tolerate. Management and as an engineer, I said, that's not great results. So what's baked in is the overactive critical mind and what's baked in is whether it's therapists psychologists coaches gurus baked in is what's best and what's best you can hope for is management and i'm telling you You can be free of this. Our clients are free. I'm i'm just sitting here with a quiet mind.

It's not temporary It's permanent and it's one of the things we track as you go through the program. Now. Here's why this is possible Because people say, Daniel, come on, you can't quiet the mind. Like, come on. And here's why you can't. Well, here's why people haven't yet. If your mind, your negative, spinning, critical mind, is a symptom, of something deeper, can you see that no matter what you try, no matter how good it is, you'll never be free of it if your overactive, critical mind is a symptom? Hmm. like there's nothing you can do. I don't care how much you meditate. I don't care how much you learn and understand. If it's a symptom, it'll keep coming. And the [00:27:00] best you can hope for is management, which is what people are doing. In reality, the overactive, critical, chattery monkey mind is not a problem. is a symptom, but we are taught it's a problem and we're taught it's a problem of the mind. We're told to quiet the mind, stop the negative thinking, quiet the ego in your mind. It's even called mental health. It's got the word mind right in there. So we are taught by the experts the mind is the root cause. Now if it's the root cause, then yeah, go at the mind. as my dad said, anybody can have a theory. Results matter. Modern meditation has been around about 5, 000 years. Modern psychology, been around about a hundred years, focusing on the mind. Nobody's solving anything. Anxiety's on the rise. That's horrible results. So the mind is the root cause theory isn't accurate. And we saw that because we were engineers and we weren't attached to any pre existing paradigm. We were like, we just want to solve this. We looked at the data and we were like, I don't think anxiety is coming from the mind, because if that was the root cause, we'd have better results. And we saw the actual root cause, [00:28:00] what's causing it. then spreading to the mind. So the negative, fearful, critical thinking is not a problem. Fear, negativity, and criticism, all what's in your mind is not about, it's a symptom of what's actually causing it, which is coming from the body.

Kara Goodwin: Okay.

Daniel Packard: Now people will say, oh no, they're interconnected. You know, but body connection, that's what you're taught, and that's what it seems like. Because the mind is going banana pants, and you're feeling fear, so it looks like they're connected. Now they are connected, but in science there's a concept called causation versus correlation. Meaning something can be correlated, but it's not causing it. you put a tea kettle onto a flame and you get steam, the steam is happening at the same time as the fire. But the steam is not causing the fire. They're not interconnected. The steam is a symptom. It's correlated. It's showing up at the same time, but the root cause is the flame on the water. And we [00:29:00] saw that. So first of all, you'll ask, your audience may say, well, how do you know? And if you actually look closely, it's pretty obvious. When your, when your mind is spinning, have you ever noticed it? That when you're feeling more fear and stress and worry, usually your mind tends to gravitate towards more negative problems. Absolutely. And when you're feeling a bit calmer, usually your mind tends to notice more good, positive things.

Kara Goodwin: Yes.

Daniel Packard: You're right. that's in some level what some forms of meditation are. You use breath to quiet the body. You quiet the body, the mind follows.

Kara Goodwin: Right.

Daniel Packard: Agreed? So just based on that experience, looks to be the cause and what's the symptom? Does it look like the mind is the cause and the body is the symptom? Or does it look more like the body is the cause and the mind is the symptom?

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. I mean it. [00:30:00] Yeah. The mind is responding to the body, right? Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah.

Daniel Packard: First of all, it's fact. For two reasons. One is, when we developed this program that just focused on the body, calming the body, all our test cases, myself included, their body calmed down, and their mind calmed down. And we didn't do any mind techniques. Their mind just automatically, so that's what the data showed.

It's also how we're able to have this program that works. But also it's how we're wired. We are wired such that our body senses what the body needs to stay alive. And then the mind is a tool to get the body what it wants. You feel hunger in the body first, then the mind senses the hunger, and the mind goes, Okay, we better figure out where to go eat. Or, if you're, you know, metaphorically in a jungle, or figuratively, you know, you may be in a jungle, and you hear a sound, you will feel hunger. fear in the body first. You'll go into fight or flight. Your mind then [00:31:00] senses that fear and goes, Oh God, there's a problem. There's a threat. I better go solve this problem. So we are mechanically wired such that body feels first. Then the mind senses that it is a tool to get the body what it needs. So for reasons, which I'll explain to your audience, your body, for reasons, which I'll explain is feeling fear. But now there's no more actual threats. That your mind needs to solve. But this is old circuitry. This is your old stuff. It's, it's reflex. So your body is feeling fear,  I'll explain why. then your mind senses that fear, thinks there's a threat.

Thinks there's a problem. And then starts spinning and spinning, worrying about the future and the past. And saying there's something wrong with you. It's, it's clamoring, looking for a problem to solve because it feels the fear.  So, can you see? That if we could calm the body permanently, you just felt safe in your body, and you were calm in your body. Can you see that it's like, there's nothing for your mind to solve, and maybe your mind could just kind of shut off and stay off? Can you see that that's at least

Kara Goodwin: Yes.

Daniel Packard: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm. Wow. Now, do you want to share about you're saying that you will share about why your body, um, senses that fear with that old wiring?

Daniel Packard: So, [00:32:00] the next logical question is, okay Daniel, if it's not in my mind, why is it in my body? Why am I feeling afraid? Because we're taught by the gurus and the teachers and the experts that your mind starts to say scary things and then the body responds. You know, if your mind is saying you're gonna run out of money, you're unlovable, there's something wrong with you, you'll be fired, you're, you know, you'll feel fear.

That's true. If the mind says scary things, you will feel fear. it looks like it's the mind. But it's not. The mind can make the body kind of feel worse. You can get caught into what we call in our company the spin cycle, which is where you feel fear in the body or anxiety in the body first. Then your mind starts saying all this crunchy stuff, which then makes you feel worse.

And then you get stuck in this loop. We call it the spin cycle. Do you know what I'm

Kara Goodwin: Yes. Well, the other thing it makes me think of is sometimes. Just waking up, you might like feel something in your body, like they're like, you're almost holding like a physical, uh, response, [00:33:00] but because you're just waking up, it's like, oh, wait, what was it? I was worried about. Do you know what I mean? Like when you just wake up and you don't even remember yet what yesterday was like, but it's, there's something that you're anticipating.

You can tell there's something off or that's what that made me think of as well. Yeah.

Daniel Packard: No, absolutely. I used to do that. I mean, we're so used to once, even though these thoughts are a response to the body, And it's the bo it's the mind is trying to save you from an imaginary threat, but like, kind of like a drunk friend that is trying to help but gets you into trouble, you start to bel I mean, it's going all day! So of course you st oh, I've got money ish, what if I'm unlovable? What if I oh, and, and the thing, and my boss, and, like, you're we're just conditioned, and then you I used to wake up in the morning, And I had about two minutes of calm, and then my mind would kick in and be like, Yeah, not so fast. You gotta worry about this.

What about what they think of you? What about, oh, oh, and I would just get pulled in. And because I'd been that way since I was probably seven years old, it felt normal. And our [00:34:00] clients, one of the reasons that this is so effective is they now know that that fear in their body and their overactive mind, where it's really coming from, and they can apply the tools in the moment. Two things happen. One is when you apply the tools, your baseline is going down. Slowly, because you're healing the root cause. But also you have a very quick pattern interrupt, so that your mind, that spin cycle, lasts from about, of being 15 hours or 15 days, can go down to about 15 seconds, because you have a quick pattern interrupt.

You know exactly what's going on, and you can just stop it. by the way, I'm having a great conversation.

Kara Goodwin: You, me

Daniel Packard: is

Kara Goodwin: too. Me too.

Daniel Packard: talking to smart people like you that are aware, but sharp.

Kara Goodwin: Oh, thank you.

Daniel Packard: very grateful, very

Kara Goodwin: Thank you.

Daniel Packard: I'm also grateful to your audience. Uh, I want to tell your audience, grateful that you're listening to this, but also I'm gonna own my greatness. What we're doing is next level effective. We're the literally the only company on the planet. There's a million coaches and therapists on the planet. Not a single one measures results like [00:35:00] we do and backs up their results. So there's a one we're one in a million and what we're doing is innovative and nobody knows about us. So if you're on this podcast, listening to me right now, whether you call it miracle destiny, somebody upstairs wanted you to hear this. I'm, you should be grateful that you are hearing me, not because I'm so great, but because you want to be free of this stuff, and when I'm telling you, you can get that freedom. So, no, that's not arrogant, that's just fact. Well, I won't say you should be grateful, I would invite you to be grateful, the fact that and flow brought you here

Kara Goodwin: I love it. Mechanical

Daniel Packard: that I am a living embodiment of my model, because I have enough self love and open heartedness to just tell people without saying sorry.

I am incredible, and you are lucky to hear [00:36:00] me. Anyway, um, not lucky. that the big wisdom brought you here. to Cara for creating this podcast and having me on. Okay, so most people's approach to addressing their struggles and symptoms is either psychological or spiritual. That's the two, you know, basic families. Spirituality and psychology is great at giving you theories, ways of understanding what you're struggling with, that can give you like a flashlight or a paradigm to understand your struggle. The ego, scarcity mindset, abundance. These are theoretical ways of looking at life and they are helpful. They're valuable.

They give you a framework to make sense of things and maybe make a crappy situation better. However, if they solve things, great. But usually theoretical understandings can't get you a fast solution. That's where they're limited. To get that, you don't want an understanding that's spiritual or psychological.

You want an understanding that is mechanical. Let's say you're at a restaurant and you start choking two people walk up to you and the first person walks up to you and they say, wow, [00:37:00] see you're really struggling. I think you have a real scarcity mindset around air. I think you're really focusing on your, on your lack of air instead of the, the abundance of air. of air that's out there. And by focusing on the lack of air, you're not letting in the air. And also, I feel like you have a story, and your ego is very attached to breathing and living, and that's making it worse. And if you could just let go. Like, let go of the story, and the ego, and let go, everything would be better. Or, somebody walks up and goes, look, this is actually mechanical, you have a bit of Chipotle mechanically blocking your windpipe, that's what you're feeling, I'm gonna add pressure to your stomach, which puts pressure behind the guacamole, it's gonna pop it out, and you're gonna be able to mechanically get airway into your lungs, and you'll be breathing in about 10 seconds from now.  Which solution gets us to a fast, Which approach gets us a fast, efficient solution? Spiritual, psychological, or mechanical? [00:38:00] Why?

Kara Goodwin: because it's. To the point, and it's addressing what's happening right now with the body.

Daniel Packard: Yeah. not saying here's a theory. It's saying this is connected to this. You are choking, not my opinion, not a construct. You have something caught in your wimp. It's mechanics. It's real. And if we remove it, it doesn't care who you are, your past, your present. Nobody has ever been getting the Heimlich Maneuver and saying, No, this won't help, my childhood is too messed up.

It doesn't matter, because it's mechanics. So if you want to solve something quickly and consistently and reliably, a mechanical understanding and a mechanical solution is what you want.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Daniel Packard: But it also makes sense that that's not what we're sold. We're not sold mechanical understandings and mechanical solutions.

 We found one because we knew, A, we're engineers, we're mechanics. If we can understand the mechanics of what's going on, then we can find a mechanical solution. The end. And here's what we saw. Here's a quick crash course in your inner mechanics. Now this is an oversimplification. not going to address everything. But this is the understanding that we discovered that allows us to basically heal things quickly and permanently in six weeks. It allows us to have a 90 percent success rate. And it allows us to be the only people on the planet to back up our results. So you can't know if what I'm saying for sure is true, but you do know we're the only company that backs up our results. So there's probably something to what I'm saying. So here's Intermechanics Lesson number one. Well, actually, number two. Number one is what I said, which is most of what you're struggling with is not a problem of the mind. You're, you were sent to the [00:39:00] wrong location by well intentioned people who I believe had an incomplete understanding of the problem. You have been chasing a symptom, and that's why it's still here. Not because you're broken, not because there's anything wrong with you, because you can't stop a symptom. So, intermechanics lesson number one is, the problem is not the mind, it is the body. Okay? then spreads to the mind. So that's the root cause, the body. Next question, where in the body? Well, again, we're engineers. If something is true, it's usually simple. It's really obvious, At the root cause of most of what we're struggling with is usually a symptom of one thing, and that one thing is fear. Can you see that you could say you're anxious, Or you could say you're just feeling really afraid, and you call that fearful feeling anxious or anxiety. You could say you're a procrastinator, you could say I'm afraid to start or start, or start something or finish something. You could say you're a perfectionist, or you could say you're afraid to make a mistake. You could say you have low self confidence, or you could say you're afraid to be your full self. You could say you're [00:40:00] an over thinker, or you could say well if my body's feeling fear, then my mind is going to be spinning trying to solve this imaginary problem. So can you see, Kara, that maybe what we're struggling with are all just symptoms and coping mechanisms feeling

Kara Goodwin: Absolutely. Yes.

Daniel Packard: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: Mm hmm.

Daniel Packard: And your audience doesn't need me to tell them they're afraid. Like, this is not a newsflash. But it is interesting to say, what if you don't have all these individual problems, what if you're dealing with different symptoms of one thing, which is fear? So we saw that, and we said, well, if we want people to be free of this, if I want to be free of this, we have to address the root cause. fear, which is not coming from the mind, which is coming from the body. And the reason this is possible is because the body is mechanical. There's systems in the body. Systems can break down and fail and have symptoms and you can repair. Your leg can be broken, you can need a root canal. Your body can fail and create symptoms.

But the body is a system. It's a beautiful system and it can be repaired. So we said all we gotta do is find the [00:41:00] system creating all the fear, figure it out, why is it failing, and repair it. So. What system in the body do you think is making everybody afraid? So take out the word fear, swap in the word

Kara Goodwin: System.

Daniel Packard: Which system in the body you think is making everybody

Kara Goodwin: The nervous system.

Daniel Packard: system, the skeletal system,

Kara Goodwin: The nervous system.

Daniel Packard: the nervous

Kara Goodwin: Yes.

Daniel Packard: What say you,

Kara Goodwin: I say the nervous system.

Daniel Packard: Yes, Pretty obvious. It's got the word nervous right in there. You have a whole planet. Of nervous people, a. k. a. fear, there's a system in the body called the nervous system, which is good news because the body can be repaired, yet the experts were like, This is a problem of the mind. No, it's not!

It's not! It's got the word nervous right there! This is what frustrates me. And the reason we figured this out is because we were outsiders. We didn't regurgitate old information. We looked at this from a new perspective and the answer revealed itself. So, what's creating the fear is you have a system in your body called the nervous system.

The nervous system is your body's mechanical threat response system. And [00:42:00] it's designed to sense threats. If it feels there's a threat, you feel unsafe. If you feel unsafe, you will mechanically feel fear. If you feel fear, you will then have a mechanical symptom of fear. So, what your audience is struggling with are not problems. The root cause is, and I'll explain to you why, your nervous system is basically malfunctioning. It's misregulated, and I'll explain to you why. And it's making you feel unsafe from within. Inside. Body. You feel unsafe from within. You'll then experience that as fear. When you feel the fear, Then the symptoms of the fear, the anxiety, the overthinking, the procrastination, the people pleasing, the low self, all of that will then be a symptom. So, I'll explain to you what's making the nervous system malfunction that'll help you understand why it's completely repairable quickly in six weeks.

Kara Goodwin: Great.

Daniel Packard: But any questions

Kara Goodwin: No this makes perfect sense. Yeah. 

Daniel Packard: Right? It makes sense!

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Daniel Packard: It makes sense! And I'm pointing that out because sometimes people say, wait, you're solving this stuff quickly. Like, what do you do? Is it, is it, are you like doing a thing? And I'm like, no, it's the opposite of fancy and complicated. It's, it's simple. It's mechanical. You got a system in your body called the nervous system.

It's malfunctioning, making you nervous. And when anybody's nervous, they're going to malfunction. That's all it is. It's simple and it makes sense. So why is the body feeling unsafe? That's what people want to know. They'll always say, why am I so afraid? Why do I get a Brenda, an email from Brenda in accounting and I feel afraid for five hours?

Why am I at home just trying to Netflix and chill and I feel like there's a tiger in the room? Or why, why do I, why am I so afraid what people think of me? Like it doesn't make sense. Why do I care if it's not perfect? Why, why do I, why am I so this? That's what people say. I shouldn't be. I shouldn't be so afraid.

I shouldn't care so much. you don't know what's going on, you feel broken. You feel like there's something wrong with you, but there's nothing wrong with you. This is just a mechanical issue. Here is why your body and nervous system feel unsafe. And to show it to you, we'll do a little role play, okay? In this role play, I'll be talking to you, Kara, as though we're friends, which I feel we are. But I'm also talking to your audience so that your audience can play along. And this is the simple, mechanical explanation of why we feel unsafe.

Kara Goodwin: Okay.

Daniel Packard: So let's say we're friends. [00:43:00] And let's say for a while, I treat you really well. Consistently. I'm kind to you, I'm considerate, I'm thoughtful, I know what you need and that matters to me. I put your needs and I make them a priority and when you really need me I stop what i'm doing and i'm there for you and I don't just do this occasionally It's consistent and you can always rely on me to love you and take care of you all the time If I treat you that way you feel safe unsafe around

Kara Goodwin: Safe.

Daniel Packard: Yes boom mechanics And the reason you feel safe around me is because that consistent care you trust me when you trust me you feel safe

Kara Goodwin: Right. Yes.

Daniel Packard: Simple, mechanical.

Kara Goodwin: Right.

Daniel Packard: If I treat you well, your nervous system doesn't feel threatened. feels safe. And you're safe. Okay. would never do this, for the sake of science, let's say all of a sudden something goes on with me and all of a sudden, out of the blue, for no explanation. Consistently, every day, for [00:44:00] years, I don't give a crap about you. I'm not considerate. I know what you need, and I put your needs last. I put everybody else way ahead of you, and you get crumbs. When you need me, I'm not there for you, and when you're struggling, I'm not empathetic and understanding. I criticize you and tell you you shouldn't feel this way, and to get your problems away from me and get them fixed. And when you really, really, really need me, I am not there for you. If I treat you that way consistently over a period of time, you feel safe or

Kara Goodwin: Unsafe.

Daniel Packard: Yeah. Because you don't trust me, and if you don't trust me, I feel like a threat, you'll feel unsafe. So what I'm showing you that there's a direct mechanical link between consistent care safety.

Can you

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Yeah.

Daniel Packard: Any questions about that

Kara Goodwin: No.

Daniel Packard: Okay. All right. So if somebody treats you poorly. Over a long period of time, that will leave an accumulation of broken trust and leave a person's nervous system feeling unsafe. this from being on the other end of people.

They don't treat us very well. [00:45:00] We don't feel good around them. You don't feel confident around

Kara Goodwin: Right.

Daniel Packard: You don't feel, you feel nervous. Well, is it fair to say that we're in a relationship with ourselves?

Kara Goodwin: Yes.

Daniel Packard: Is it fair to say that you or maybe your audience sometimes isn't always the loving, caring friend to yourself?

Kara Goodwin: Yes.

Daniel Packard: Yes. And what's one way that either you or you see a lot of people not being loving to themselves?

Kara Goodwin: The thoughts that we entertain about ourselves and the stories we tell ourselves about ourselves. A

Daniel Packard: Yeah. So there's 28 ways that we diagnosed of ways that we need to be good to ourselves, and the most common one that people are aware of is the being hard on ourselves, the negative self talk. What's wrong with you? You're not good enough. Work harder. Beating the crap out of ourselves. It's not nice. Now, your audience knows that.

Your audience is like, yeah, I'm not very good, nice to myself. I'm not very forgiving to myself. I'm not very, they know that. What they didn't know is [00:46:00] when you are unloving to yourself and unkind to yourself over time, essentially, you break trust with yourself. You feel unsafe within yourself. And when you feel unsafe within yourself, that creates fear in your body. Yeah.  So what's causing the fear, a majority of the fear, and again, this is not theory, this is fact, based on what I'm telling you, I've been chill as a cucumber for years, based on majority of the fear that you're feeling in your body is not from the past, and it's not from the present. That'll kind of make things worse. majority of the fear and the unsafety you're feeling is from you to you with little acts every day that build up over time such that you don't feel safe in your own body. That's what's creating the unsafety and the fear. And here, I'll give you another example. Um, there's another way that people aren't good to themselves. And one is not taking compliments. So you, Cara, have you ever, or do you now, or do you know people that don't receive compliments? Yeah. Okay. Now people know that. They're like, Oh, I'm horrible with compliments. Oh yeah. No, my husband tells me. Oh, I have to. Oh, I know I'm horrible with compliments. People know it. What they don't know. [00:47:00] And what we discovered is those little acts. are leaving you feeling unsafe over time. And I'll show it to you. Let's say again, we're friends, okay? And we're friends, and somebody sees you, and by you, I mean you, Cara, and your audience, the person listening, and somebody walks up and goes, Wow!

I see what you did, that's incredible! And I, as your friend, jump in and I say, Hey! Back off! You get that love and appreciation away from them, alright? They do not deserve to be seen, loved, and cared for, and celebrated. They deserve it. Get criticized when they mess up. If I treated you that way, would you feel safe or unsafe?

Kara Goodwin: Unsafe.

Daniel Packard: Right. So can you see, what our data showed is that the average person, totally unconsciously and knowingly, because you were never taught, 10 to 30 times a day, just not being a loving, caring friend to yourself. Can you see that over time that would accumulate to leave your nervous system feeling unsafe, creating fear in the body and then the symptoms of fear?

Kara Goodwin: Absolutely. That's amazing. [00:48:00] I mean, and it's,

Daniel Packard: And tell me, what's your smart mind, what's

Kara Goodwin: well, one thing is that, um, because I feel that when I see, and it's in taking a compliment, that's a great example because that's something that I've had to work on as well, because my knee jerk reaction was always a no, no, no, no. And, um. It's the, there's a humility piece to it that I think we all misunderstand or that many people misunderstand that, that desire to always be humble, but it is that pushing away of saying, no, I'm not going to receive, that's going to bounce right off of me.

And I'm only going to pay attention to the criticisms that I get, which. Are, you know, for a lot of people, those are in abundance. They're not hard to find. So, um, I think it does take, um, training to be able, it takes awareness at least to be able to say, is this something that I do and then. [00:49:00] Choosing to work on that, because I feel like for so many people that desire to be humble and the, you know, is, um, but I don't think it's a true humility, you know, it's, it is this, um, construct that we're putting the word humble.

In there, but it really is a, an act of being unable and unwilling to receive that love.

Daniel Packard: Well, you're absolutely right. And the reason these patterns are so nasty is, A, they happen, and then we use fancy language to justify the violence. It's not humility. It's rooted in unworthiness. I don't deserve to be seen and celebrated. That's what's causing it. But, of course, we're unaware of these patterns.

We deflect the love that we are worthy of. And then, because most people aren't even aware, and if they are aware, they don't want to see it. No, I'm being humble. And you know what? work harder when I, when I'm, I use criticism, you know, and if I ever received, my dad told me this. [00:50:00] Uh, growing up, he never, he never gave me the I'm proud of you's and atta boys. Never, didn't, uh, theoretically I might have gotten one or two, I don't remember them. And it stood out to me because, well, every child wants to be appreciated and celebrated by their dad. But I was, again, I was like a super kid. I excelled in all these things, and these adults would see it and be like, you're incredible, you're great.

I'd be like, oh, thank you so much. I'd go home. And like, nothing. And I went, that's odd. I should be getting more love in my family and I'm getting less. So I came up with this strategy thinking, well, maybe, maybe it's because I'm not doing things that my dad can appreciate in his value system. Because At that age, I didn't know my dad was limited, and that he grew up, and he was traumatized, and couldn't say, I'm proud of you.

So, I'm still thinking it's my fault, and if only I can do better. So, my parents were very into college applications, and having a very good, so I thought, ooh, I know. I'll [00:51:00] run for class president, I'll win class president, and then I'll tell him I'm class president, and he'll have to say, that's great, good job, because he can appreciate that. So, I run for class president, win, I'm walking home thinking, Ugh, this is so great, I win class president. I walk in, I tell my dad, All he has to say is good job, I'll know he loves me, everybody's good. So I walk in, totally naive, to generational trauma, and I walk in and I'm like, hey dad, guess who's class president? he says, don't let it interfere with your homework. And I remember this just pain and confusion of like, what? No, all you have to say is good sh that's all I gotta do to say good sh And I really, I felt this pain and this fear and this unsafety I started crying. I hadn't shut down yet. And I started weeping and I looked at him and I said, wha wha wha why can't you just [00:52:00] say you're proud of me? And he says to me, it's not my job to tell you when I'm proud of you, it's my job to tell you when you mess up.

Kara Goodwin: Oh, oh gosh.

Daniel Packard: And in that moment Again, I didn't know to hold him accountable. So, I think it's my fault and I unconsciously say, oh I know why the love didn't come, didn't show up. I'm unworthy. unworthy to be appreciated and seen and celebrated. And that went into my unconscious and I'm sure your audience can relate to that story in their own way. So, we got a little sidetracked, but yes, the reason that we don't care for ourselves is because we have an unconscious belief that we're undeserving of the care. And that's why even if your audience knows, I need to take better care of myself, they don't. consistently. Even if you read a book that says, self love's important, self care's important, you may do it a little bit, but you won't do it at a high level because we unconsciously believe we're not deserving of it.

If you think you're [00:53:00] undeserving of higher levels of care, you can't give it to yourself. Not consistently. So again, one of the reasons our system works it's worth being on multiple levels, including the unconscious, and it heals that belief the point where you feel really worthy. Of love really worthy of putting yourself first.

I used to be a people pleasing doormat. It was my default I knew it was a problem couldn't stop it because I felt undeserving As I went through our program daily You are using these exercises that not only give yourself the love and care you deserve But it's conditioning and training you that hey, actually you do deserve love How do you know you're giving it to yourself five times a day through this structure? So now You're not I am the most worthy, boundary setting, need getting mofo on the planet. I know how to speak up, get what I need, set and enforce boundaries. When I need something, I ask for it, and I do it without guilt or shame or lack of apology. And when people see me do that, they're like, incredible!

I want to ask for what I need. Where'd you learn to do that? I was like, well, you don't learn it. Our [00:54:00] program makes you feel worthy of it. So then it's your default and it becomes automatic. So we kind of got sidetracked, but it's a profound, important point you brought up.

Kara Goodwin: That is it's fantastic. I I'm I just love this conversation And I love what you're putting out there in the world, all the research that you've done to get to this point and all the ways that you're helping people to come into that fullness, really to improve their life experience. And if we don't do that, if we don't prioritize.

Having the most profound life experience that we can have in the short time that we're here, then what are we here for? You know? So I, I really applaud you and I can imagine that people are listening and they want to know how they can get on board with this. So please tell people how they can find out about this six week program and learn more.

Daniel Packard: So thank you for appreciating what I do. And before I tell you how people get ahold of us, you brought up a word that's very important, which is that it's what we want. However, I believe because of what I call the improvement industrial complex, doesn't give you a complete toolkit at the root cause with instructions. You're always seeking that oneness, that connection to our hearts. That's what meditation can get you temporarily, but it's not your default. I now sit here in my heart and in my intuition and in my spirit. It's my default. I'm like a child, I just sit here, in it, I don't have to meditate, I don't have to do a mindset shift, I don't have to vision board, I don't have to do a course in miracles, it's just my default, and it's because, at the root of it, I feel safe. So can you, our, our, our, come to us for the [00:55:00] symptom, the anxiety, the overthinking, the procrastination, the people pleasing, the low self, they come to us for the symptom. But what we're getting them is real freedom from this, and real freedom. By, when you bring the nervous system back to full health, the result is you feel safe within yourself, and the fear goes away. you see that when you just feel safe, it's much easier to be at one with yourself? When you're afraid, you'll escape to your mind to escape the fear and try to problem solve. But when you feel safe, you become one again, like a child. They're very integrated. Children are very open hearted. Usually you don't see a kid say, Oh, I'm thinking of finger painting, but I'm afraid to sabotage.

You usually don't see a four year old say, Oh, I want to go to the park and really be in my essence. But I'm worried I won't be good at tag. They are whole because they haven't gotten the shit scared out of them and their nervous system is still healthy. people say to me, Daniel, I don't even know what it would look like to be free of this.

It's the child state. It's how you were when you were a kid. And everybody knows, yeah, when I was a kid I was open hearted, I was confident, I was free, I was spontaneous. version of you is still in there. It's just when you have a A nervous system that tells you on your attack you can't access it consistently. So can you see the power in what our planet needs? Can you see the value of just waking up every morning and your default is you just feel safe? Can you see the

Kara Goodwin: Absolutely. Yes.

Daniel Packard: Yes. profound. how I wake up every morning. It's how our clients wake up every morning. And when you feel safe on the inside out, you are free of this stuff. And that's who works with us. people, everyone's skeptical of what we do because it just sounds too good to be true. I totally get it.

Clearing this stuff up in six weeks. We reject simple in the early stages of innovation. be open and be motivated. We help people that are motivated. So if you're listening to this and you're somebody who has anxiety or anxious thoughts and you have things to manage it, you understand it, But you'd like to be free of it? So that your mind was quiet and kind all the time so that you could elevate to that level of you that you want to be? We help people get that every day. We can help you get that quickly. If you're a procrastinator, and you have tips, and tools, and insights, and it's better, But you'd like to be free of it so you can wake up every morning, spend hours a day doing what you love, doing what matters to you, bringing value to the world so you feel fulfilled.

If you want that quickly, we help people get that every day, we can help you get that. If [00:56:00] you're a perfectionist and you're like, oh, I'm a recovering perfectionist, which is code for I'm just managing it, and you'd like to be free of the perfectionism so you're okay to make mistakes, you're okay to be spontaneous and free and just express yourself and not care about the outcome so you can be the natural. free, spontaneous person you want to be. We get people that every day. If you have low self confidence, you're managing it. You understanding it, it's getting better. But Oh my God, if I could be free of that, if I could not care what people think of me and I could just show up in the world authentic, how that would affect my job, being a parent, being a partner, my relationships. If you'd like to have that be your default, we get that. get that to people every day. Come find us. You can come find us at danielpager. com. And there's two ways that we can help you. Um, both involve having a free quick call with me. You can either have what we call a next steps call where you just tell me what you're struggling with. And once I understand your unique situation, I will give you some simple actionable steps that'll move you in the right direction of feeling safer less fearful so that your symptom goes away. if you like what you're hearing, you're like, Daniel, you had me [00:57:00] at free and you're interested in the six week program, reach out to me from the website, book a free quick call with me.

Again, I'll understand your situation better and I'll show you more about our system and how it works we'll see if it's a good fit. And if it's a fit, we'll talk about it. You start the program, you can start to feel better within a few days from now, and again, you don't pay at the beginning, because we haven't helped you yet. You only pay at the end when you have clear, measurable data that what you're struggling with is gone and not coming back. If that intrigues you, and you want to talk to me, which I'll own my greatness, I would want to talk to me for free. Come on. I hang out with me for free all the time, totally worth it, great value proposition. Go to danielpacker. com, either for the Next Steps call or to find out more about our program and see if it's a good fit for you. Go to danielpacker. com and book that call. Um, and yeah, this, what you heard today, it's real. And I invite you to not keep doing what you've been doing, which is going from podcast to podcast, looking for more understanding. Understanding is like a flashlight. It's great. There's value in it. I'm not dismissing understanding. But if you're trapped in a cave, and you get more understanding about the cave, you're like, whoa, you're, this is the kind of rock that traps you, and this is the darkness, and this is the why water drips on your head, and this is why you're cold, and you could spend years

Kara Goodwin: Sorry.

Daniel Packard: learning about the cave, but never escape it. don't just hear this and go, oh, wow, that's another deeper understanding. No, understanding is overrated. It doesn't get you free. What gets you free is the system, which is action and also reaching out to us for action. So if

Kara Goodwin: Wonderful.

Daniel Packard: for more understanding and stay stuck in the cave, I'm not going to stop you.

If you want an escape plan, please action, go to our website and be curious and take action because that's what leads to 

Kara Goodwin: Thank you so much, Daniel. This has been wonderful. I really appreciate you being on today.

Daniel Packard: It has been an absolute honor. Thank you for having me, Cara.

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