331. A 6th Dimensional Entity Reveals Our Evolutionary Journey - Dean Graves

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Kara Goodwin: Hello, and welcome to the meditation conversation, the podcast to support your spiritual revolution. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin. And I'm so excited for you to hear this episode with Dean Graves. I was so interested to learn that the sixth dimensional entity that he works with is the same one from the Ra material.

 I know there are many of you listening who have engaged with the Ra material, and if you haven't heard of it, Then I'm guessing that the time for you to explore it is nigh. Dean is a spiritual teacher and author focusing on self healing and personal growth.

His deep commitment to personal growth and enlightenment has led him to spend the last 12 years as a devoted student of a 6th density creator being entity. His latest manuscript promises to be a groundbreaking exploration of the nature of the universe and the human experience. Dean is a wealth of esoteric [00:01:00] knowledge, and he talks about these complex topics in a very down to earth and approachable way.

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Dean Graves: Thank you. I'm excited to be here. I look forward to our conversation.

Kara Goodwin: Me too. So I think it's best to just start by talking about your spiritual journey and what led you to becoming a student of a sixth density creator being entity.

Dean Graves: Interesting question. 

Kara Goodwin: Take it with whatever way you feel called. 

Dean Graves: my spouse,led me to spirituality. we both awakened at the same time. And. I'll go into a little bit more detail with you because you have a background in this that I would probably be more reluctant to do with [00:03:00] someone else. But, my spouse was, very, shall we say connected, and she died in 2011, but prior to that she knew her origins, and we both became enamored with, the Ra material, which is a series of channelings that the L& L research. People did in 1980 and so we went through that introductory phase of we got the first book and said, Oh my God. Oh my God. And then we couldn't wait for the next book to be delivered and so forth. We went all through the books and that's proved to be a really good. And we got to know the Ella research people quite well.

yeah. And

so we go up and visit them and go out to dinner and that kind of stuff. And it was very,

helpful to have that, personal communication with them and to establish a rapport. And we, my spouse and I both did,some, [00:04:00] channeling training with Carla, which is the principal channel. And, so that was very helpful to refine our what we were doing and what our relationship was. my, after my spouse died, it, before, a funny story.

She knew who her higher self was and was communicating with her higher self quite frequently, on a daily basis. And I couldn't make connection with my higher self, which was really frustrating.

And So she came in, and I was working on the computer one day, and she came in and said, Well, I know who your higher self is. And I said, Oh, okay, alright, who's my higher self?

Kara Goodwin: And 

Dean Graves: She had tried to write, she didn't know how to spell it. And she had written on the piece of paper,

My Higher Self. And she meant to write, Yahweh, but she spelled it like Yah hoo ee.

Kara Goodwin: ee. 

Dean Graves: And I first, got a big laugh out of that. And I said, no, I, want another.

Higher Self. I [00:05:00] don't want Yah hoo ee as my Higher Self. And So she got a little offended by that. but it was, It's a funny story. And we laughed about it for a long time. after that, but that wasn't my higher self.

And so after, She died. a matter of fact, the day after she died and, I just had this voice and the voice said, I'm your higher self. And I knew who it was. It was her. It was her.

Kara Goodwin: her. It was

Dean Graves: yeah, she was my higher self.

And so I went and said, Oh God, come on, really? And so we had a big laugh. And so the first thing that I did when I, found out it was her, is I apologized for all those teenage years. I was dumb, I was stupid, I didn't know any better. forgive me, I know I made it hard on you, but.

Kara Goodwin: So you guys had been together for a really long time. 

Dean Graves: Well. 

Kara Goodwin: with her as a person when you were a teenager? Or do you just 

Dean Graves: Didn't know her. That was later in life. It [00:06:00] was, arranged that we would be, together later in life.

Kara Goodwin: see. I thought you meant that you were apologizing to her and what you guys had gone through in your teenage years.

Dean Graves: know,

what I

went through in my teenage years, but she was my higher self. So she was trying to guide me,

as a higher self. I'm sorry, I apologize.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. You weren't the first teenager a higher self had 

Dean Graves: I have no doubt of that, but that notwithstanding, it was a funny story.

Yeah. 

Kara Goodwin: my goodness. Wow. So do you want to share where she was from? I can just, I feel the listeners like, where was she from?

Dean Graves: Well, she's, from what's referred to as the Ra group. So

the Ra entity that was communicating with LL Research was her social memory complex.

Uh, and the, um, so, yeah.

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

Dean Graves: the Ra group.[00:07:00] 

Kara Goodwin: That's amazing. I am familiar. I've, listened to the first book. It's incredible. the fact that this was in the, was it in the seventies or the eighties,

Dean Graves: Early 80s.

Kara Goodwin: early eighties, and then, That Intel that came through, is just phenomenal. particularly thinking about it's stuff we hear about more now, but for the three of them to have been pulling in that level of information that there's no.

There are not communities then talking about vibration and, thoughts and frequency and, it was, and just the, the physical way that they were having to manipulate themselves, to get into that chant, that, channeling state, more now you see people like slipping in and out of it.

More easily without having to go through the whole like ritual and moving things like incrementally and so forth. But,

Dean Graves: I've [00:08:00] learned since, that was puzzling to me as well, that the connection had to be so sensitive for Carla to make the connection. And in talking to the Arcturians, they explained that the primary reason they had to do that was because Carla had such physical difficulties. That it was difficult for her to maintain that high level of vibration in order to make that connection. The instrument that works with me to communicate with the Arcturians doesn't have that problem. And our conversation is just like you and I talking. it's very relaxed, it's very free flowing, and none of that necessary preparation is done.

Kara Goodwin: well, so it is the Ra group. Are they Arcturians? I can't remember if they even identified that.

Dean Graves: Ra is one of five archetypes of the Creator,

and so Ra is pervasive to all of creation, as are the other [00:09:00] four archetypes. So Ra is simply one, aspect of the Creator Ra is the aspect of love, and the other four, Archetypes are awareness, wisdom, unity, and stillness. And so they all participate, and we are all of these archetypes. But the progression through evolution is a hierarchy, and we are in third density. We are sharing a third density experience, and our task in this level of consciousness is to become awareness. Which is the foundation. We have to become aware before we can explore the other aspects. And in this range of consciousness, we're simply building the foundation for our future evolution.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm. Are there, names for the other four,

Dean Graves: Yeah, our, in each of the stars, there are, a nine star system. [00:10:00] is how our universe has expanded. So wherever there is an expansion of the universe, it is expanded in groups of nine. Each star is home to an archetype. There are five inherent characteristics and four distortions that comprise our universe. And other universes exist. There are a total of 32, distortions and inherent characteristics. And so other universes are comprised of mixing and matching those combinations in order to diversify the experiences of creation. Ra is the archetype of love. la is the is our sun is the home to la. la 

Kara Goodwin: LA or 

Dean Graves: is 

Kara Goodwin: LA la?

Dean Graves: L. A. No, just L. A. our R is RA la? Is la and that is wisdom. That is our sun is the star, home for that. [00:11:00] RA's home is Sirius B, which is part of our nine star system. And, I have in my books, I don't recall the direct association with the stars and the archetypes, but the, Ka is movement, or actually the lack of movement, it's stillness. And K A, just K A, and SA is Awareness, and Wisdom is,

Kara Goodwin: Wisdom is la, right?

Dean Graves: well, la,

yeah, Wisdom is la. we already said that, I'm forgetful of the,

The other one. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, 

Dean Graves: have names. and then the distortions have names. Malchizedek is,

free will, and

so that's one of the nine. that pervades all of creation. so it participates in every universe.

We have three distortions other than free will,

And 

 Ta is

Separation.

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is an enhanced separation.

from free will.

Da is movement and Lucifer. which is actually unconsciousness. And these

elements that, are the aspects that comprise our experience in

this universe, design an archetypical mind that governs how we process thought.

And consequently, it guides us

and how we process thought and how we evolve. Other archetypical minds exist,

based on other combinations or slight deviations from our, archetypical mind that diverse, again diversifies the experience of consciousness going through the evolutionary process.

Kara Goodwin: Wow. there's one in particular that stands out that kind of surprised me, which was the, free will being a distortion. So is that because really [00:13:00] ultimately through evolution,we have the divine will, which is the true will. And then the free will egoic actions. That aren't aligned with divinity.

Dean Graves: It's not that complicated. free will was the first distortion that began creation.

Kara Goodwin: Okay. 

Dean Graves: the

One Infinite Creator,

 became aware and had a desire was to explore itself by experiencing itself. And in order to experience itself, if you're all that there is, it's difficult to experience yourself with any sort of diversity. And so the infinite creator projected, actually before it was infinite, projected two concepts. The first concept being infinity. The parallel concept, was intelligence, which created the environment of intelligent infinity.

and within that concept

projected

the, concept of [00:14:00] free will. Which is the concept of separation. Perception of separation. Which created the first subject object relationship. Because the original, originating one infinite creator was

the creator as the object And the

creator as the

subject. Which was the result of the projection of free will into this environment was the creator as the subject. And so the creator is the

subject is consciousness. And that aspect, which is conceptual,

created all that we perceive to be creation, including ourselves.

We are consciousness. Everything that we experience is

consciousness. We are

conceptual,

 because of

that creation of the creator as the subject. 

Kara Goodwin: So through 

Dean Graves: projection of separation, the creator as the object observes our

behavior

and learns of [00:15:00] itself.

Kara Goodwin: Okay. And so the free will. Is inherent in that process and it's part of that separation 

Dean Graves: What It is. the concept of, so it's a perception of separation. And It's only because of that perception of separation that the creator may interact. with the creator as the subject to learn of itself. We perceive free will to be the choice of well,

I can go right or I can go left, but that's the product of our

perception, of separation.

If we didn't perceive ourselves as separate, then there would be no choice. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. 

Dean Graves: Whatever we decided would be it. 

Kara Goodwin: it. Okay. Okay. Thank you. Interesting. So I'm interested in the communications that you're having. Are you're regularly connecting with these six density beings at this point, correct?

Dean Graves: [00:16:00] Correct? Yes.

Kara Goodwin: Okay. Have they given you any sort of, indication about the evolution of the planet and humanity at this time?

Dean Graves: Well, yeah we've talked quite extensively about that. you may know from reading the Ra material that third density has a defined beginning and a defined end. Which is, approximately 75, 76, 000 years. But it, as Ra describes it, it's as regular as a clock. That, our Previous experience, which was the fifth attempt of most of the Earth population to graduate, ended in February of 2016, and since then, the Gaia, the consciousness of the

planet, is firmly in

their fourth entity experience.

The third

density population that remains, which includes us, is [00:17:00] a residual of that third density population, and we will be permitted to fill out the rest of our lives we're

not going to be

raptured off the earth,

or anything like that. We'll just live a natural lifetime to

finish our experience of this third density. almost all of the children, The overwhelming majority of the children that have been born since 

Kara Goodwin: 2005 

Dean Graves: 2005 are 4th density children. 

Kara Goodwin: children. And 

Dean Graves: Earth has been determined to be a positive 4th density planet. Those children will

continue on with the consciousness that the planet already is and have a fulfilling 4th density positive experience.

their difficulty right now is they're in transitional bodies, which means the third density body, which is very heavy, is transitioning to be more of an electric body, which is a fourth [00:18:00] density body. and That will take a few generations to totally make that transition. but as they make that transition, as then, The nature of their experience will increasingly change as they become more fully a 4th density incarnate experience. But, so we're well on our way to being a 4th density planet. There is another planet that is being prepared within the solar system for another 3rd density experience. That the folks not graduating from the existing third density earth experience would just simply transition to that new planet and continue with a new third density experience. 

Kara Goodwin: In terms of, and they would have new bodies, so this would be part of the natural cycle, they would naturally, yeah.

Dean Graves: Right.

Kara Goodwin: And so do you see that people who were born prior to that 2005, you said most of the children [00:19:00] who have been born since then are fourth density. Do you see, an evolution of people like adults who are evolving quickly, physically as well?

Dean Graves: Not, no. the adults, we

adults are

going to finish off our existence here with a third density

body.

There's not going to be any. Any magic involved with that, whatever we, do to our bodies or however we treat it is how it's going to be and we'll just finish it, we'll finish a lifetime and go through the assessment process after we die and either graduate or not graduate. regrettably, I think the graduation will be very small, but that's, I don't have any specifics.

Kara Goodwin: Mm 

Dean Graves: just my observation of our existence, I think it would be relatively small. there are some third density

beings that are incarnating 

Kara Goodwin: experiencing

Dean Graves: along with the fourth density children, but they are [00:20:00] of the, they're on the verge of graduating. And so they're, the hope is that the affiliation with the fourth density children. We'll push them over the top so they can graduate to 4th density and not have to continue on with the 3rd density experience. But their nature. If they were simply participating in 3rd density, it would be evident.

that they are of a higher awareness, higher consciousness.

Kara Goodwin: Okay. And it's interesting how much, you talk about the fourth density because I find there is a lot of focus on 5D in terms of, it's a lot of people talk about that, Earth is going from 3D to 5D and that the fourth density is a Transitional state, that we are already in, which is what you're saying, that the earth is already in there.

But, a lot of people are focusing on third to five. Do you have anything to say about that?

Dean Graves: Well, you don't, 4th [00:21:00] density is, in

3rd density, our task,

is to become awareness. and included to that

there's, there

is a curriculum to advance through the evolutionary process. The third density curriculum is pretty basic. we begin in what is described as primordial darkness, which just simply means we don't know anything and we're in total chaos. And our task is to, evolve, which means we experience an awful lot of what we don't like through chaotic, periods, the lower simply called dimensions

of the density, and these are incremental, and it's like you had a chart, and 

they're, you measure, I'm this tall at this age, I'm at this tall at that age, and so you put little marks, and we graduate through that, and to, we awaken and Awakening is nothing more than the awareness that all this stuff that I've been doing

isn't

making me happy.

I'm not happy. And [00:22:00] that's all there is to an awakening. At

that

point, of course you have a choice to, to either stay

in the chaotic stage, or you can

begin looking around to see what all other alternatives there are. And begin to explore. Hopefully a more spiritual path that would elevate your awareness. And the distinction between these levels is the degree of awareness, which is our task in third density.

and

also the surrendering of our free will. Free will functions as an intoxicant,

Dean Graves: Just like whiskey. The more you drink whiskey, the less aware you become.

And so free will does that same thing.

So when we are very intoxicated with free will, our awareness is very low.

And as

we 

Assume

responsibility for our evolutionary process, then we are surrendering our freewill [00:23:00] intoxication. The distinction between a fourth entity being and a third entity being is the degree of freewill intoxication, which They have surrendered because of elevated awareness.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm. Interesting. Okay. what are your thoughts about what happens when we die?

Dean Graves: Well, as Ra describes it, and I don't have direct recollection of this, When we die, we, transition.

We exist simultaneously and I try to teach this in a meditative process to my meditation students. We simultaneously

exist in both metaphysical form and the physical form.

our metaphysical

form is a consciousness

pattern. and it is cumulative. And it only begins to be cumulative in third density. In other words, the first two densities do not preserve their experiences. Their [00:24:00] foundational densities, their nondescript, and they simply provide the opportunity for a planetary experience, incarnate experience for a third, fourth, and fifth density.

Kara Goodwin: So that's really interesting. Sorry to interrupt you for a second, but are you familiar with Dolores Cannon's work?

Dean Graves: Sure. Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: So there are, she has a number of, references in her books of people who, remember being like. A stone or a huge boulder on a planet or a tree, that's hundreds or thousands of years old, which I think of as those lower densities.

but I was really shocked when I started coming across those stories of people being these, immovable objects or, so it's interesting to think about that because that would be a memory that they hold of being that.

Dean Graves: Yeah, I would explain that in a different way. what Dolores did, and 

I've met several people that [00:25:00] Dolores has hypnotized and done a regression with. And they're all wanderers. A wanderer is, my spouse was a wanderer. My instrument that I work with now is a wanderer. There are lots of wanderers. wanderers. is a higher consciousness being usually sixth density that, that's their metaphysical self.

They project an analog projection just as we are into third density to be of assistance. And so the, The sixth density perspective is they feel all of what we experience. And I don't know, I would doubt very seriously that an entity that is a third density being has any recollection of a first or second density experience because the experiences aren't retained. And you begin third density in primordial darkness, which simply means you wipe [00:26:00] out, you're a clean slate.

You have nothing to contaminate your experiences with prior experiences.

and you evolve through third density. So what you experience in third density is preserved as your consciousness pattern. And that is your enduring self. And so we project from that consciousness pattern,

 analog

projections of ourselves into physical form. to have a variety of experiences, the average human on earth has had over 3, 000 incarnations and some as many as 8, 000. And so the purpose of that is to diversify our experience and to allow us to

assimilate and accumulate experiences

being incarnate.

in a variety of different forms and lifetimes in order to mature our consciousness pattern.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm. Okay. And do you have a sense if you're a wanderer,

Dean Graves: I do. 

Kara Goodwin: do [00:27:00] you want to share that or? 

Dean Graves: Well, yeah, I am. mean, you

know, most of the folks I work with know that and most of the folks I work with are wanderers too, so.

Kara Goodwin: ha, ha, ha.

Dean Graves: Yeah. I have some recollections of that. I know my past lives, I, what function I have provided in those. and I, my, my purpose for being here is simply to be a messenger

and to deliver information. And so that's what I do with my time is I, Communicate, expand my understanding, and present it from a third density perspective. from the Ra material you can discern that a six densities direct communication is, very stilted for the most part because they're not in the density and it's difficult for most folks to understand that and comprehend that because it's so contradictory to their, hegemonies that they have incorporated into their identity. [00:28:00] And my purpose, I'm an analog projection, as you are, of my metaphysical self. I'm a third density being. I have no magic or anything of that sort. And I'm just, here to deliver information.

Kara Goodwin: And the, it's when you talk about remembering your previous lives, do you remember being on earth? Do you remember being, or is it earth plus other places, or are there no earthly memories for you?

Dean Graves: Now I have some, When after my spouse died and I began this educational process, this learning process, then, my higher self was very helpful in providing me with opportunities to gain comfort with my perspectives and I was presented with, spirits to, to chat with that I would know, as well as having Some recollections of my [00:29:00] previous lives, not only as, A

human as a person

but

recounting some history to other planets.

and things of that nature and in our present day, we have for quite some time had fourth

density participants participating in our planetary experience

but

incarnating is whales or dolphins. 

Kara Goodwin: Oh, 

Dean Graves: whales and dolphins. have been, not all of them, but a large numbers of them have been fourth density, and so I had an interesting

experience long before I was

awake when I was still very much in this chaotic period, and I was learning to, scuba

dive and so I went to Mexico and was going to take My first, big ocean dive. And we the group went out, in a very,

 a john boat. [00:30:00] Which was

intimidating. 

Kara Goodwin: What is that?

Dean Graves: it's a small, small boat. It was a big john boat, but it was a small boat. And we were only about, the railings of the boat were only about five or six inches above the waterline.

Yeah. So we, it was like we were going out in a pond, but we were actually going out in the ocean.

So we went 20 miles out to this, huge, white rock And while we were going out there, we suddenly were

surrounded by this huge, pod of dolphin. the dive master goes out every day and he said it's the largest group of dolphins that he'd ever

seen. And we were completely surrounded by these dolphins that were, doing their jumping thing. And they would roll over, come up to the boat and roll over and just look at us, with their little eyeball and stuff. And you could pet them, they would let you pet them. So I petted a couple of dolphins that rolled up and then they all swam away and these three whales. 

Kara Goodwin: What? [00:31:00] Yeah. Yeah. 

Dean Graves: Yeah. these Three huge whales.

obviously, a family, there was a,a baby whale with it

and So they jumped along with this. And So we were just all in awe.

the scuba

diving became inconsequential. after seeing all of that. So years later, just, after my spouse had died and, I was communicating and

all of this stuff, and I had the thought,

and this is how you get this stuff. You had a thought, I remember that experience, and that was a very odd experience. And it was actually my higher self and me.

And we were incarnate as the dolphins some of the obviously not all of them, just, a couple of the dolphins and the whales,

simultaneously. 

Kara Goodwin: That you experienced when you were in Mexico.

Dean Graves: I experienced it in this form, so I had no association, I just, wow, this is great, nature

[00:32:00] Being here.

But later, after I'd awakened and said,that was us, you and I were doing that in order to give you comfort as to the experience. And subsequent to that, I had other. Images and recollections of experience and meditation of, swimming in the going down deep in the ocean and that sort of stuff. yeah, I used to get, visions

like that and experiences all intended to provide me. comfort with, who I am and what I'm supposed to be doing. Okay.

just fantastic. I just love talking to you and getting your perspective. is there anything that. you feel that the entity that you work with, the sixth dimensional entity, would like to share 

 the encouragement to do the work, to awaken, to explore yourself. to heal yourself and, most, almost in all the episodes that, that we're discussing with the, uh, Arcturians, our, the podcast is Chatting with the Arcturians [00:33:00] and 

 The most recent episode was, talking about hallucinogenics and how they can be used in order to heal mental illness and conditions that we have, imposed upon ourself, but the process of evolution is not,

it's

difficult to do, but it's not difficult to understand.

And the process is to, heal the emotional baggage. That we have eclected, which is nothing more than the experiences that we have had in our lifetime. That we did not learn the lessons that were brought to us. And we care, we get to carry those lessons.

That's the curriculum that, I had alluded to earlier, that is part of our experience. That's how we fulfill the curriculum. Is learning the lessons that are brought in the, to the experiences that we have. To heal that emotional baggage, which means we're learning the lessons. And then to begin to surrender the erroneous beliefs that we have incorporated into our false [00:34:00] identity, or our hierophant.

Which we all create. We all have a false perception of ourself. The whole process of evolution is the surrendering of that false perception of self. And

in so doing, we allow our authentic self to emerge. We gain nothing through our evolutionary process, but we've got to get rid of a lot of stuff that we've created.

We already are awareness, love, wisdom, unity, and stillness. But we've buried that in the ground and covered it with a bunch of trash. And so in order to get to the gold that we buried, we have to get rid of the trash and take the gold out of the earth. 

And

so I encourage all of your listeners that have any sort of spiritual interest, that is the path, it is not mysterious, it is not, mystical, it is hard work, because we have to get rid of [00:35:00] this false perception of self, and it's who we think we are.

And so we, it's fearful.

to,

If I'm not who I think I am, then Who am I? And that transition point is in multiple stages. And that's the,the night of darkness or whatever. That's nothing more than, you're not who you think you are, but you haven't

allowed yourself to realize who you really are yet.

And that will progress in, in stages. But you were there.

You are your authentic self And the experiences are immutable for everyone. 

So that when you experience it, you're experiencing what? Everyone else that has achieved that level of consciousness has experienced. and it's much more joyful than staying in the chaotic ranges that we have been so mired in for a long time. 

Kara Goodwin: I have two podcasts for[00:36:00] 

Dean Graves: Well, I have two podcasts. the one that is active is Chatting with the Arcturians, and we post to that regularly. And if people have questions that they would like to pose to the Arcturians, we'd be delighted to chat with them about that. I can be reached. I have a website. It's at ddeangraves. org. and that has contact information and everything on that. I've written a number of books. I have a new book coming out in, later this year,

which is my compendium work, that has all of this information. We explain the archetypical mind and the origins of creation, the densities, forgiveness,

and A multitude of other things. It is intended to be a comprehensive book, and I

think really It includes almost all the information that was in the Ra material with a lot more explanation in an understandable fashion.

Kara Goodwin: was going to say is I know that a lot of people have trouble with the Ra [00:37:00] material. and there are like study groups that try to help people to understand it. so I wondered if there was some companion to it that could help to level it a little bit more for people.

Dean Graves: if you read the Ra material, Don and Carla were learning as they went through, and so a lot of their questions are excellent questions, but they're somewhat disjointed because they were learning as they were going. They were going through it, and Ra was, Ra intended it to be a primer. It wasn't supposed to be complete information.

It was supposed to be a primer that, you get the basic understanding. You said, maybe things aren't as real as I thought they were. And the same entity that I'm working with is the same entity that provided the Ra material. And in the Ra material, Ra talks about walking among the people. that was back during the Egyptian times. [00:38:00] And it was the aspect of Ra that is known as Osiris. And so the Egyptian god that they

deemed to be

the god of the underworld was Ra that walked among the people. And provided them with the tarot, which is a Nothing more than a, a

study book for the archetypical mind. But Ra didn't go into details with the archetypical mind, and Dawn didn't know to ask, the details. Ra didn't get into any of the other archetypes,

because they weren't asked. We have to ask in order to get the answers, because if we ask, then they know we're ready for the information.

If we don't know to ask, then they're not going to just say, Uh, This is what you need to know. Because you're not necessarily ready for that information.

so they asked what they knew. And, it, in reading through it, for a lot of folks, it seems disjointed.

And, part of what

CUO, their [00:39:00] more recent

humanitarian

is,is to provide more comfort, round out.

some of that informational experience.

And it's still

excellent

information, but it's not,

informational like the Ra material was. And the

Arcturians are very didactic. And so the

information they're providing coincides more closely with greater

clarity than what Ra was able to Provide with their instrument. at the time. 

Kara Goodwin: Beautiful. 

I don't know that you actually said what your books are called.

Dean Graves: a book that I've written, two books that I've written that are, totally secular that are designed towards helping people do the work to do the healing. And one is called Enlightenment Plain and Simple, and in that we overview the process of evolution and give some specific easy to do self applied, exercises that will help them heal. the other, the next book is The Identity Model. [00:40:00] which deals with suffering and, stress and, explains how and why we create this hierophant, this false perception of self and how it manifests into different, mental issues, everything from depression to,jealousy and so forth and, how to. Heal from that to understand that and I have a specific

exercises that can be self applied

in the back

of the

book that will heal from that. I know it works as I did it, and I've taught it to many people, and they've had the same results. I have another book that

is an introductory, it's more easy to understand,

called the

edification, edifying children of a lesser god. and that is an introduction to all the Ra type material.

but not with great detail.

depth, because, people need incremental steps. this, the book that's [00:41:00] being published this year, is called The Enigma of Consciousness.

And it's a spiritual exploration of humanity's relationship to creation, and it is much deeper. It's, if you're ready for it, fine, go for it. If you need incremental steps, then, these other books will get you to that. 

Kara Goodwin: to that. Beautiful. thank you so much, Dean. I have really loved our conversation.

Thanks for coming on today. 

Dean Graves: Sure, thank you. I appreciate Your patience and listening,

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