362. Past Lives and Reading the Eyes for Health Signs - Ellen Hawkins

 [00:00:00] Welcome to the meditation conversation, the podcast to support your spiritual revolution. I'm your host Cara Goodwin. And I'm excited that you're about to meet Ellen Hawkins. I've personally worked with Ellen and her husband, Paul, who are superb, divine conduits. Who have a number of specialties.

In this episode, Ellen shares incredible insights about her work and helping people with past lives. And even going back to the womb to release traumas and behavioral patterns that are working against them. 

We also talk about another specialty of hers called iridology, which is like Palm reading, but using eyes instead of palms. And I know you're going to get so much out of this episode, not only the insights, but just being in Ellen's presence. She just radiates calmness and peace. So be sure you check out Cara goodwin.com, where you can get a free 10 minute meditation.

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Kara Goodwin: Welcome, Ellen. I'm so excited. I've really been looking forward to this. 

Ellen Hawkins: Well, I've been looking forward to it also.

This is something that in my heart I want to share with everybody because it's a gift. And gifts, you know, you're given to share. So this is good that you've given me an opportunity to reach out to some people through your, through your podcast. 

Kara Goodwin: Yes. Well, it's an honor for me. And, you know, before we get too far into our talk today, I personally have experience [00:02:00] with you.

You're local to my area and I've met you and your amazing husband, Paul. Um, And you both have so many gifts. And I also have friends who have worked with you in different ways. We'll talk, um, as we go through the interview today about the many ways that you work with people, but they're just having experiences that they're, they're just raving about you and how much they love you, uh, you and Paul.

And so can we start by you talking about the unique way that you work with past lives? 

Ellen Hawkins: Yes, I would love to share that. I used to, when we did the past lives, I would do what would be called, I guess, a cold reading. I would just let whatever comes to me and share it with a person at that time. Now I do what I coin as surrogate.

I do have a past life surrogate because I can go in for another person [00:03:00] and I do it prior to, you know, actually having a session and of all things I do it in the bathtub because I think it's because I'm by myself and also water is spirit. So by being in there and going into a. almost a hypnotic state, you know, I would get deeply relaxed.

I'm able to have that energy come through me and I've been doing it for almost 40 years. So it seems like anything, the more you do it, the muscle becomes stronger, you know, the ability to do it because You know, me going in for another person. I know the way there. I know the pathway. It's easy for me to go right there and get the past lives.

Now, if another person, I'm doing it for them, or they are going in for their own past life, a lot of times what we're trying to find, if it's going to do a lot of good, is something heavy. So the person's going to have a lot of approach avoidance, and it's going to be very emotional for them. Or I can [00:04:00] do it like turning the TV on and view it.

Now when I'm viewing it, I may feel some emotion, but it's not going to be jarring like it would for another person. And also gives me an opportunity to have them in our, one of the rooms that we work with and have them relaxed and in a very secure state before we start opening this up for them. And after we open this up for them, we do close, uh, any of the energies that we have found.

And again, I want to find something that's heavy. The things that I search for is something that we consider karmic in this lifetime. And if it's karmic, uh, we want something that when we lift it off, they feel it. I don't want to lift off a little rock. I want to lift off a boulder. And 99. 9 percent of the time when we get done with one, we ask them, how are you feeling?

They say, Oh, I feel so much lighter. And that's the word we're looking for. And we can tell, sometimes even when we're doing releases, we can see them do a, [00:05:00] and they're letting go. And it's going out of them, you know, a lot of times the breath is a wonderful thing for meditation or if you're going through anxiety to follow the breath.

It helps center us and it puts us into the now, you know, this moment, because we don't want to be, you know, thinking about the past or dwelling on the future. If we think too much in the past, it will cause us to have depression. If we're working too much into the future and looking there all the time, we will have anxiety.

So, when you're centered in the now, that's where, you know, if you're going through something, you can ask yourself, am I okay at this moment? Am I all right? You know, I'm, I'm, I'm whole, you know, everything's okay. Now there's times that it isn't, you know, extreme times, but then you can also still take a, a look at it and say, you know, I know through faith that.

[00:06:00] Before long, things are going to be okay, you know, you know that things will turn out and you have acceptance for what is happening, and that is happening for a reason. And I think once we get into that, we start looking, if there's a door closed, we look for another door to open, because we, you know, through experience and through faith, we know that that's the way the universe works.

Kara Goodwin: So when you work as a surrogate, you mentioned that the lives come to you while you're in the bath. So, but then you also mentioned that, um, you observe the way that the breath is working with the person. So how does your, your surrogacy and that those kinds of insights that you get on your own, um, play into a live session with somebody.

Well, when 

Ellen Hawkins: I get done with the bath, I [00:07:00] used to go and take a few notes, and I put them down. And sometimes when I'm in the bath, I only maybe find one lifetime. So it's a process. Maybe in a couple days or three days later, possibly I'll find another one. Again, I make a note. And I try to get at least three, sometimes four comes to me.

And then I go in and I copy all this. I write it all out like a little, you know, scenario. And it's usually, hmm, when I type it out, it's usually three or four pages for each one of them. And then, When we're in there and we're doing a past life regression, I will read one, and then I will stop, and we will talk about this.

I will say, for example, like I found you in China, and you was working in a, a field with, uh, rice, and all of a sudden you've seen an explosion, and you've seen people running, and you was looking. Okay, I would ask them, you know, has, have you ever had an experience where [00:08:00] something exploded next to you, or how do you feel about China?

And some people would say, oh, I always have a fear when I think about China. I've had that sort of thing, you know, I just get, I really don't want to go there. There's other places around that area I want to go to, but that particular place, I really haven't, you know, I don't want to do it. But you'll get some feedback or they would say, yes, you know, I had a father.

He was in a war, and he, you know, he was hurt, but there's going to be some type of connection. Or, you know, my husband is Chinese. Who knows, but there's going to be, they'll start putting these, these things together, and it starts making a pattern. And then I'll go to, then Paul does a thing, it's shamanic, and he releases the energy of that, and he transmutes it.

We go to each person that's there, because the person that's getting the regression, they get a blessing. But anybody [00:09:00] else that comes up in that particular one, they're going to get a blessing too, because they're getting things released. And another thing we find sometimes is that there is what we consider spirits around other people.

Um, there's these are not demonic. These are spirits, uh, sometimes if you're around a loved one when they pass, and you had that strong feeling, you know, I don't want them to go. We have to be careful because when, especially if they're not wanting to leave you too, because when they start to leave, you pull them into you, and they're not able to go on into the light.

And so when you have an experience, um, similar to what they had, you'll, it's like that takes over more, that energy does. Uh, an example of that is, remember Whitney Houston, uh, when she died in a bathtub, overdose, and then I think it was two and a half, three years later, uh, Christine Bobby, or Bobby Christine.

They found her in a bathtub, [00:10:00] and she OD'd, but she didn't die at that moment, but she died, I think, a few months later, but those patterns were so close together, her mother was there, she longed for her mother to be there, and when she got into a depressed state, as I'm sure Whitney was, that she was able to take over, it's like it went here, and it come together, And this, this changed and here Whitney was here because the energy was so strong because she is there.

Kara Goodwin: Now, this is really wild. I really want to chime in here because before we started recording, um, you and I, because you and I are working on something, uh, within my life and my personal life. And you were sharing the background of what, because you did your bathtub thing and it came in about a past life and it was related to a slaughterhouse.

And I told you, and I think our dates, I think we were having this [00:11:00] experience very close together because you picked up on this about, I think you said two days ago, this was two evenings ago, I was driving and I was behind, uh, Trailer tractor trailer that I know was for animals. There was not livestock in it, but I was sharing with you that I frequently pass pig trailers and you know, where they're going when that happens.

And when I do, when I'm in that situation, I intentionally bless the pigs, bless the truck, bless in, you know, I really feel like my energy and light is with them just. Doing whatever it can do to to soothe the situation. And this particular night, my thoughts, my imagination, let's say, um, were taken to a slaughterhouse and I was taken imagining the [00:12:00] slaughterhouse and actually it was cattle, but you know, the line of cattle as they were having their final moments kind of lining up for their final moments in the, the feelings, you know, they know there is a lot of fear.

People talk about the fear in those situations. So it was kind of like, there was a part of me that was there blessing that. And You know, and, and lots of different elements. We, you and I talked about this quite a while before we started recording. Well, the thing is that I didn't share with you is that, um, when I was behind this tractor trailer two nights ago, I was on my way to an event with friends.

And part of this event, we had to come up with names that were not our own. And my name was Whitney. I decided my own name. And the name that came to me was Whitney. So, which is not like a, I don't really have any, I loved Whitney Houston growing up, but, um, I don't know where that name came from, [00:13:00] but the fact that you're now bringing this up and it's related to the exact timing, I'm just like, there's so much going on, there's so much going on.

Ellen Hawkins: Yes, and you're very aware of it when there's things that go on every single day, and a lot of times we miss it. We, we don't get to cues. Just like if we're driving and we see a certain flower that catches our attention, and maybe then we'll go home and there's the same type of flower. The next day.

Somebody brings us some flowers. The same kind met this. Speaking to us. The way to get the message is to look that up. What does that mean? What does it mean to us personally? Because it's speaking to us, it's telling us something. But we have to be aware of it. You know, just like when I'm doing the past lives, I, a lot of times I see, I always see stuff, but sometimes I hear what's going on.

Sometimes I, uh, even smell things. [00:14:00] There's different senses that comes in and sometimes you also feel like it, it touches a part of us, you know, there's, there's some kinesthetic, but all these different things, my most, uh, sensitive one is, is seeing sight. But even when I'm doing a past life for somebody, I'd ask him, it's like, you go with me, because just like seeing an accident, I may see one view of it, and you may see another.

So if you see something else that we can add to this picture, this is good because we can expand it that way. But there's, there's so many things that happen. I get so many confirmations. It's just amazing. I remember this one gentleman, this is when I did them cold. And it told me when I was working on it, it said he's, he's big left toe.

And I was like, Oh my gosh. I said, I'm going to look like an idiot. He was going, What? So I was like, Are you sure? And it's like, Yep, totally [00:15:00] same thing. So I found, I just blurted it out. I said, One of the things that's going on with you is your big left toe, and he's like, oh my God, and I was like, what? He said, that toe has hurt me since I was born, a little child.

He said, I've been having issues with my whole life. So, you know, again, that's that thing of trust, trusting what it is telling you. And I think I spoke to you before, I don't think I did this time yet during the recording, but Whatever it tells me, I trust by faith and also by experience that it's telling me what I need to give.

And because if I didn't trust it and I didn't speak what it gave to me, why would it keep speaking to me? It would find somebody else that would honor what it's given to me. And also, we was talking before about that person that I'm working with, when Paul releases whatever's going on with that person, anybody else that's in that [00:16:00] lifetime, they also get a blessing.

So, it expands out, and we, if there's anything trapped, like we was talking about Whitney and Bobby Christine, we, we release that. And let we see them go on to the light, you know, to the spirit, we see them going on and they're not earthbound anymore. They're not connected to you. And I think when we do that, in my opinion, when we do that, if somebody else is there with you, they are occupying a part of you.

So all of you is not there, so there's something within yourself that could be strengthened by you being there instead of something else. It's almost like a, not really, but the example I can give, like a parasite. If something has parasites on it, it weakens the body. You know, it takes, it's taking away the nourishment and using someplace else.

So, when you release all that, you know, the different things that are in your, your aura, [00:17:00] uh, it releases and all these little holes come together and then you are you. You're not, you don't have this other things like, sometimes you're like, I just don't feel like myself today. Well, guess what? They're not.

We have to pay attention to the things even when we speak and, you know, what, what's going on. Just, it's just a thing of being aware and catching these things. 

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Wow. I love that. Um, so why, why is accessing past lives and working with our past lives? Why is that important? Yeah. 

Ellen Hawkins: Because a lot of times people are stuck.

I have people that come to me and it's like, a lot of times with family, there's a lot of issues with family. I think there's so much karma between us that draws us back together. And, um, especially the mother and the father. I mean, you know, we chose, we choose them. To be our parents before we come in here, because the [00:18:00] formula of accessing them and what we set up is gives us opportunities to do what we have decided to do in this lifetime to help ourself and also to help the world.

But, uh, when we do that, there's, there's karmas and also, uh, there's, uh, what was it called? I'll just go with karma. We can find that through numerology a lot of times. Yeah. But those are things that we have chosen to work on. If we get a person that says, No matter what, my mom and me have never gone along.

I'll say something to her, and I'll try and do something nice, and she'll turn it into a negative. And it doesn't make any sense. It's like, I went to a psychologist. I, you know, I went to therapy. I've done all these things to figure this out. But the issue is, they're looking here. You've got to go where it started.

And that's where past lives come in. You go to where the beginning of it is. It's like if you've [00:19:00] got a headache, you take an aspirin. Well, that takes care of it for the moment, but you need to go to the source. What is causing this? And we find a lot of times it's a past life. So we released that. We've even had, uh, one little boy that came to us, um, the, the person worked for us, and they had, she had a baby, and he was gasping for breath from the moment he was born.

So he was in the hospital, he had tubes in his nose, and he couldn't nurse. So one of the workers came to us, finally, because he was in the hospital for a week or two, and said, Um, Can you do anything because they know what we do. So I went in and found the past life and I seen in his past life before he died, he was running and running away from a situation and he was shot.

I think it was with an arrow between his shoulder blades in the back by his lungs. And the last thing he did was go [00:20:00] like that and that's how he passed. So he come in going, Oh. Again, so we have to release that and then within a day or two, he was home and last time I seen him, I think he's about 15 years old and he's fine.

So these things are very, very important. And we carry so much. If you just like at a child that comes in with something like that, or you may find that it's very, very important. There could be, uh, group karmas also, where you'll see, like, a father has, like, prostate cancer. His father had prostate cancer.

And then you're finding yourself with prostate cancer. That is a group karma. That is something that you have to go back again to the beginning to release all this. Because something has happened. It could be, it sounds kind of outlandish, but there are curses. that are flung. Even when somebody says [00:21:00] GD to you, damn you, they are throwing a curse to you.

You know, words are very powerful. You know, they, they, everything is first a thought and then you always say in the Bible, I don't want to speak it into being. Words are very, very powerful, so we have to mind our words and be careful what we say. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, but through clearing all that, people's lives change.

Things that they couldn't get through and that, uh, it never changed and it's been very frustrating, they change. Uh, one girl hadn't spoke to her biological father for about seven or eight years. We worked her, and then, About a month later, Paul was talking to her on the phone, she said, Hang on a minute, I gotta answer the door.

She said, Oh, it's my dad, he brought me a lawnmower. She said, You mean your stepfather? She said, Tell my dad. She said, We're getting, he comes every week and takes me out to eat now, we're [00:22:00] fine. Wow. So that's, everything's energy. Yeah. You know, we look at, you know, what is here, but if you look down into the, you know, what everything is, it is just energy vibrating at different levels.

That's what it is. Yeah. Our perception is that we're solid, but we really aren't. Right. Yeah. So if we get the energy, like, just like you was talking about earlier, you know, I was picking this up. Well, your energy was picking it up. Your spirit was picking it up. We were connecting on a different level, you know, on speaking, we was connecting through our higher source and you know, there's, there's like a highway there that, that's always moving.

And if you're connected to me and I'm connected to you and we're into a spiritual thing, it can come together and just expand. Right. Yeah. 

Kara Goodwin: That's beautiful. Thank you. What about rebirthing? [00:23:00] Can you talk about rebirthing? 

Ellen Hawkins: Yes. Rebirthing, again, is something that can give people deep relief. Um, when we are before, I believe before we were even born, it has spoken a little bit that we choose our parents.

This is my understanding and, um, we choose our parents. I think we choose where we're going to be born at, what location. Uh, I think we even choose, uh, what, What eptonate we're going to be, you know, are we going to be African, are we going to be Asian, what we're going to be because we set all this up prior, again, to give us opportunities.

And when I'm talking about opportunities, it's things that will build up enough that we will finally have enough pain to look at. And that's why, you know, painful things are actually good things because it's, it gets our attention. You know, something happens [00:24:00] and we get a little poke. Okay, then maybe a year later, something more happens, we get a harder poke, and then finally it gets so painful, it's like, I've got to do something about this.

And that's when things open up, and then, when it clears out. But, again, we, I would take the person into, after they figure out who the parents are, I take them into an area so they can figure that out, and they can see it, and they actually see themselves, they can feel themselves going into the womb of their mother.

And as soon as it does, I always feel like it's almost like a, a vacuum. I feel a little clump. It's all of a sudden they're not in spirit, they were pulled into here and it's different. It's like a vacuum. They're inside the mother's womb. And then we go to the thing, everything to the mother feels. And sometimes the father too, if he's there, you know, right there all the time, you know, in the [00:25:00] situation, the child feels, and they're trying, they're finding out scientifically now that that is very, very true, you know, the child can hear the music, they can hear what we say, you know, what we eat, all these things, but, um, we also, one of the main things I look at is like, okay, what did, what did your mother, um, she found out that she was pregnant with you.

And I take them to a state of mind where they're able to go back and feel these things. And it's like, OK, what did she feel? And it may be, well, she was nervous. Why was she nervous? Well, you know, they weren't very well off financially. OK, when your father found out that your mother was pregnant, what did he do?

Oh, he was excited. He wanted a boy. See, there's two different kinds of emotions that go through there. Then we go through the whole nine months of being carried, and we start going there, and as soon as we find [00:26:00] a spot with that person, you feel like something big happened, we stop, and we look at it and say, well, what's going on then?

Well, her father just died. You know, how did that make you feel? And so, Then I asked them, I said, do you ever have a fear of loss? Yes, I do. When do you realize that your mother's not yours? And then we can separate those two. I see that the mother and the child, like if you go to a grocery store and you pick up those bags for fruit and vegetables and you gotta go like this to separate it.

You do not know it's your mother's because it's been with you your whole life. So we go through the whole thing, and usually we find several different things. It's like, well, one night, you know, the mother, maybe she was sick of her stomach when she ate something, like beans. You know, my God, I get sick of my stomach when I eat beans.

You know, those sort of things, and you can release that where it's not carried anymore. [00:27:00] We have one girl in particular that, uh, her mother, when she was getting ready to give birth to her, they were in the service, and the doctor was out. On the golf course, and she was going to labor a little early, and he was aggravated because he had to leave and come back and do, you know, deliver the baby.

And he kept telling him, push, push, hurry up, push, push, and he was kind of getting everybody in that whole hospital, you know, the room there. They were also, you know, hurry up, do this, do this, rush, rush, rush. And the mother got to the point that she really. You know, distest him because the way he acted. But the girl, once she was born, an older woman, we was doing a rebirthing for her.

She could be going along doing just fine with people. And they said, come on, we gotta hurry up and do this. And she gets so angry. She said, why do I get so angry? There's where it was. Oh, interesting. [00:28:00] So it wasn't hers, it was her mother's. And then we go through at the end, like, the birth of it, and the first thing you've seen and how did you feel.

And then we go to when your mother's holding you, and the first time, this is always so emotional, the first time you look into your mother's face and your mother's looking down at you. What do you feel? What do you see in your mother's eyes? And then we do the same thing for the father. I had a set of twins that I worked six months apart, I think, something like that.

And they always felt that their mother hated them. When they was holding, you know, mother was holding the baby and look at it. I said, what was your feeling? My mother loved me. And we found out what it was, was that when the mother got pregnant, the father left, she hated the situation. The whole time she was pregnant, she, she was so upset and hating that, you know, how am I going to raise these two children?

Cause they're twins. So, [00:29:00] at 60 some years old, they finally found out that their mother did not hate them. They was able to let that go. So, it's a very powerful thing. But there's so many things that are revealed that We just don't realize 

Kara Goodwin: it's fascinating that those things happen in utero and the moments right after birth because We do have so much conditioning that we don't understand where it comes from Intern and that I think is just from growing up and picking up on cues and we like you're saying about it's so deeply Embedded like it may be our mothers and it's not even ours but it's just But we get that too, even just by walking through life and especially those early years where we don't have, let's, I like to use the, um, the analogy or the example of time, you know, it's like, we don't come into this life necessarily with opinions about time, but we learn [00:30:00] that.

Certain things are disrespectful. If you're, you know, depending on how our parents, the strength of their feelings, you know, if you're late, you're disrespecting me or you're being disrespected, or I can control people through time and I can be more, I can, um, show that I mean more than other people by making them wait or all these things.

And they're completely subconscious. But we're more or less, you know, theoretically neutral upon birth of like, well, time just is what it is, but they, but it just, You know, we have these things that we pick up that we just learn as we go, because that's our environment. Um, so it's really fascinating that you can go back to even like pre memory.

Like people might be able to, with the therapist, go through and be like, yeah, I remember my dad got mad at me because I was always late. And so I learned that I didn't want to make him mad. And what the, what he [00:31:00] interprets from that. And now I think that, you know, there's something tied with respect with.

With time, for instance, but to be able to go back and pick up on emotions and, um, and even like tastes and, and sensations, um, while in utero is just fascinating. 

Ellen Hawkins: It is what I do is I put them through deep relaxation and there at the end, I have them go back to, um. I call it the one of creation. I haven't got clear back to that and then when they're getting ready to choose Uh, what I see is that they will work with the Lords of Karma and you go and you have like a little conference and say, I've chosen this, this, and this to work on.

And they look at it and say, yes, we agree. And then that is where you start watching your parents and you know, they're getting ready to make love or [00:32:00] whatever. And that's when you enter, but you're actually seeing your parents for the first time when you're in spirit. And we're watching. And I also, through my understanding, is that this is something just recently that came to me.

Um, when we're in spirit, we don't judge. You know, there's no judge, and I don't think there's as much emotion. You know, because through emotion, we come judgment, because if we can feel something, we're judging it instead of letting the filter through and just viewing it and say, well, that's interesting, especially if it's a child or a parent or something, you know, we get that, that feeling and we have to watch that because then we're on their train down the track, not ours.

Because we're hoping something will change and we want to take control of it. And we need to be very careful with that, because if we stop them, it may be something they chose in this lifetime, it may be their greatest moment. So you have to, if you, it's [00:33:00] better to allow. Because if you don't allow it to happen, it'll build up again.

And so like, you know, if you keep saving them from something, it'll keep building up all the time and you have to jump in again. And then it gets to the point that the spirit gets angry at you. You know, they resent it, you know, just leave me alone, I can do it myself. Or if you don't do what they want, want you to do for them, they get angry at you because they've used, they've gotten so used to going to you to fix their problem, but it doesn't make them feel good about themselves.

Right. Yeah. Yeah. I don't think we have emotions. I think we learn. How to have emotions when we are inside the mother, she teaches us to have emotions again, because when you're pregnant, they say, Oh, that's the most emotional time.

Well, no wonder we need to program all that into 

Kara Goodwin: the child, all those different emotions. Right. Well, it's funny that you bring that up because I was just [00:34:00] thinking about that today and the whole design of the human experience and just how grand and diverse it is, because through these human vehicles, we're able to experience so many things, emotions, hunger, desire, forgetfulness, remembrance, and And then, you know, the physical sensation, sweating, being hot, being like freezing, um, and, and then the regular things that are more obvious, like our style or our preferences, um, We have all these senses we can hear, we can see, we can taste, we feel, and then having the emotional element too.

And it came to me also, like when you're in spirit, it's a, a higher experience, you know, so much more, you have a different higher perspective that is [00:35:00] filtered with this human experience, because, you know, I mean, it's, I, in my mind, I kind of idealize The spiritual experience because you know so much more.

So I feel like it's in a way it's easier and maybe that's just because I have a human experience. So I think something else is easier than being a human. I don't, I don't, I don't know that from this perspective, but it was this like, understanding of the beauty and the opportunity that we have in being human that you don't have as a spirit, because as a spirit, as you're saying, you see everything neutrally, there's no emotion, but then you don't know what it's like to experience emotion.

And in the human experience, we understand like, wow, anger feels so much different than joy. And They're completely different experiences. And we can, we can have both in this one vehicle, you know, and feeling like we've overeaten. feel [00:36:00] so different than when we're so hungry and we've missed a meal and, and that plays on our emotions and our comfort level and our security and all of these, like it's so complex, but it's such a diverse range of opportunity of experience that we don't have as spirit, 

Ellen Hawkins: you know?

Well, I think when we're in spirit, you know, it's an evolution and we kind of help You know, like you'd think in Guardian Angels, you know, there's, I always feel like my grandmothers around me, but there's. And I remember when I was a little girl, I was like, I didn't want to do anything bad because I didn't want her to see it, that I always felt a presence.

But I think that they're there to help in, um, in energy and in, in the spirit by focusing on something that maybe will help. Just like right now, it seems like there's so many things that are going on that, [00:37:00] you know, the weather and with, you know, a lot of the other countries, it seems like there's so much.

Uh, you know, fighting and, and pain, but again, as I said, you know, even with us, we have to go through so much pain to change. The earth has to go through so much of our humanity has to go through so much to change. It has to come to a tipping point and, you know, in the Bible, it says, you know, God sees a thousand years, like one day, you know, we see we're like right here.

We see this moment. We don't see that if this doesn't happen, things can't change. We don't see a thousand years from now where things will be better because of what happened now. We don't have that. That's where, you know, faith and try to, uh, acceptance of what is. But also, just like the angels, we can get together and pray and [00:38:00] raise our energy up because it helps raise the energy up there and anybody else that's, um, You know, and, and on the same channel, they can help lift up and, you know, we always hope that that can change things also to bring, you know, cause I think when we lift up and we connect with that, I think the, the energies in the heavens connect with this too.

Cause you know, what is it Rumi that says as above, so below, as below, so above, you know, we are connected. You know, it's, it's one energy just like even when we pray, you know, our father who art in heaven, holy be thy name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. So, you know, there's this connection all the time, you know, there's energy always flowing.

But I do think the angels, uh, there's a timelessness there too. If you look at a plant, [00:39:00] if you look at, uh, like a flower or something, or like a tree, There's a timelessness. They have been here so much longer than we have. They are evolved more than we have, in my mind. They don't judge. They just, you know, they view, they don't have to even speak.

They are telepathic. I mean, underneath the roots of the trees, they are speaking to each other. They've noticed, they found out there's like little clicking going on, there's communications. If one tree is attacked by like some kind of insect, it'll send out these pheromones, and the other trees will get it, and they will change their chemistry into something that that insect does not like to eat, or it will kill that insect, in order for the others to survive.

They, they speak in different ways than we do, and I don't think they have, they have evolved beyond the emotion. They're getting, they're getting where we're wanting to be. We always think we're the supreme [00:40:00] beings and I, my thought is, I'm not sure. 

Kara Goodwin: Yes. Right. Right. That's beautiful. So I know that another, um, way that you help people is through iridology, which I find fascinating and I don't come across it very often.

So can you please explain what, what iridology is? Okay. Um, iridology 

Ellen Hawkins: is. Reading the eye, anything that you have an understanding of, it's a hologram if you know how to read it. Some people even go into knots in people's head, they know how to do it, the palms, reading the palms. What I have studied is the eyes.

Uh, Bernard Jensen, um, he worked with, uh, Kellogg's at Battle Creek. He's the one that really started it, and that was, oh, in the late 1800s, and I got to study with him in New York when he was 92 years old, which was, and if you go [00:41:00] to, uh, the Philippines, I've got a certain amount of degrees. They actually have, you know, you can graduate and have a degree.

A college degree, you know, like a diploma for urology. And I think also over there that, um, I'm pretty sure the insurance covers people to do the Irene's because they're more into the herbal, that sort of thing. But I did get a thing here to show you 

Well, anyway, the left side of the eye and the right side of the eye breaks down. It's looked, it looks like a, uh, a clock. You got the top of it, the very top of it. And, and also you have it, the very, around here, the very edge of it is called the scurf room.

That's our skin. Our skin is the biggest organ of our whole body. And if the skin is also considered our second kidney. So if we have, you know, like we're itching or like [00:42:00] me, I have some skin issues. That is because my kidneys are not functioning enough. My body tries to flake it off. Through this, you know, like if you're sweating, you notice how it tastes salty?

Mm hmm. Yeah, just like the kidneys. It's our third kidney, so it's something that's very important. If you have a very large scurvy ring and it goes in, like, here's your eye, and it goes in like this much of it, there's big issues with it, and you need to do something to help elimination, because if you can eliminate some of this stuff naturally, and then, you know, help support your kidneys.

And then, but the stomach, the very middle of it, this is the stomach, and then you go outside here, and there is your, your colon, and at the top is your trans colon, and then you have your small intestines, you got your, uh, let's see, the, uh, ascending colon, and then you go down here, and there's your [00:43:00] appendix on this thing, and then, when you go into the other part of it, straight down on 30 would be your leg.

And also, if you look here at the very bottom of it, I can look at there and say, well, there's problems with your ankle. If it's up here, I can say, oh, there's problems with your knees. If it's up here, higher up, I can say, well, it's your hip. As you can see all these things from there, and it shows the kidneys, it shows the ovaries, it shows the heart, uh, even at the top is the head.

It's got the very top of this, like your animated life. And you even got your five senses. Your pituitary gland, all these things showing up. Your mental speech, all these things, and your medulla shows up also in the head part. But all these things you can look at it, if you know how to read it, and you do not diagnose, but you can see what is going on with this [00:44:00] body, even,when I look at some eyes, it looks like a knapsack, there's, you know, it's very loose. And that means that their constitution is not as strong. Sometimes you look at it, and the little spokes are just like right on top of each other. They have a very strong constitution. But still, if you don't take care of the body, even though you've got a strong constitution, the person's got a knapsack, possibly could live longer than you do.

So, but it's, it's, you do not diagnose, you just look at it, and also there's, I can look at it and even see like high, if high cholesterol, because around where the, um, the scurfing was with the, the, uh, skin right on top of that, there'll be a place there that looks kind of, uh, like a halo, and the wider it gets, the more you can even see where somebody's going into Alzheimer's that's going to happen.

Because, [00:45:00] you know, the cholesterol and stuff is clouding up the mind. 

Kara Goodwin: Wow. So when you notice things like, you mentioned it, like the 12 o'clock, you know, the top of the, the ring, for instance, is there like a, a dot there or what is it that you're looking for to indicate that there's something going on with that organ?

Ellen Hawkins: Well, you can look at that organ and you can see what color it is. If it's just Sometimes you'll see it where it's a little bit gray, and that's when something is starting to deteriorate, and then it starts getting darker, and if it's very, very dark, it's called degenerate. When it's gray, and it's just starting, that's usually when we feel pain, just like if we have a problem with our knee, let's say.

And if I'm looking at it and it looks gray, it shows to me that, uh, I'll ask the person, are you having a lot of pain there? Yes, I am. And [00:46:00] it's a good thing because if it's degenerate, you have to really work to build that part of that body back up again to get it functioning where it'll get to the point where it can change.

But yeah, you look at it and you see what's going on. And if it's, if it's deteriorating, like I say, it's like the hole gets deeper and darker. You can see that. And then, um, there's a lot of different things that are indicators in there, just like I talked about the, the skin, and also, um, you can see high blood pressure, you can see the kidneys, uh, if you look at it and say that there's a place there on that that's starting to change.

You know, the color of it. You can tell that there's something going on for that particular part of the body because it's pretty minute, but I do have a camera I can use. I take a picture of it there, but also just by reading it this way, I can see also. Uh, years ago, there was [00:47:00] this gentleman, we went to a, uh, a meeting, and he was a little bit skeptical, and he was the top, uh, Let's see, uh, athletic surgeon there in clinicals and one in hospitals, and he said, okay, go ahead and read it.

And I read it, and I told him a couple things, and then I told him, I said, you're esophagus. And his wife was there, and she, I mean, their mouths fell open. He had just had a thing done with his esophagus. They was worried about it being cancer. So I gave him what is called STW, which is the lawyer's stomach that calms all that down, the stuff that's in there.

There's a lot of. in there and he finally healed him. Wow. And then he, he was recommending me to some other doctors, all of them, because they don't know about this. Yeah. Wow. But it's neat. Yeah. I can take a picture and then, you know, I will send the [00:48:00] picture to the person, you know, They would have a copy of it.

Mm hmm. 

 If there's a dark, dark spot, and it isn't closed, that's a good indicator, because it's still open. Sometimes the body will close something off, and that's when it, you get into issues where it can turn into something else.

Another thing that shows up is if there's a lot of acid in our body. Acid breaks down the body and acid can be caused by, um, emotions, being very nervous can cause that, but you'll see in the body or that area where it's, um, it's, it's kind of white. Sometimes you look at somebody's eye and the whole eye looks different.

Like, like if you look, somebody's got a blue eye and it's like an icy blue, same people like that. They have a lot of acid in their body. So acid builds, uh, tears things down. There's another thing that goes around the outside of the body.

It's The scurfing right about here, [00:49:00] and it'scalled lymphatic rosary. You'll see here where it's, it just looks like little dots, and that's the person's lymphatic system. They need to cleanse it, but you can see that by looking at it, and then when I take the picture of it, I can show the person. It's like, okay, do you see this? You see that, you know, I can, it's not diagnosing, it is, uh, showing them where they're at at this time and possibly giving them some ideas of what to do different.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, to kind of bring in some reinforcements, maybe. 

Ellen Hawkins: Yes, and, and help to correct some of these things. But, uh, how I got into it is I was. Very sick. My, uh, hair was falling out, and I was, you know, real dizzy. I didn't know what was going on. As a child, I spent a lot of time in the hospital, so to go to the hospital is like my last thing I would want to do.

And I heard about the Amish, um, in, uh, southern Indiana, [00:50:00] Swartz. And Sullivan Wicke, he was so busy, this is interesting, I mean, they had no electricity. You go down this little ridge, and it's one of those things where you kind of have to pull over so the other car can go by. I mean, it's a way out. And I pulled into the parking lot.

There is cars there from everywhere. Like Pennsylvania and, you know, New Jersey. And he was so busy, he couldn't see me, so he told me to go to his nephew. His nephew read my eyes and he said your kidneys are hardening, that's what's wrong. And he gave me about five different things to take and I got well.

You know, it didn't, something like that is, doesn't happen like you take an antibiotic. This is something you take for maybe six months and then you start changing and going back. Sure, nourished, but then that's when All of a sudden, I just decided, well, not it was like I needed to do this. I always say that the spirit [00:51:00] will take you kicking and screaming where it needs to go.

You know, this isn't so much a choice. It is something within you that draws you there. But I read all of his books. My daughter was living at here at that time and she was working nights and she would leave and I'd be reading it at home and still reading it. Wow. I just couldn't stop. And then, like I say, I got to work with him and that's when I ended up being, you know, doing the erudology.

It's wonderful. 

Kara Goodwin: That's amazing. You have so many modalities of, and different ways to help people. And like I said, you know, I know people personally, well, I've worked with you personally and, uh, you and Paul and just been, uh, so delighted and, and love. Connecting with you and then the people, my, my personal friends who have connected with you as well have received such amazing benefits.

So how can [00:52:00] people find out more about you and connect with you? Well, we do have a 

Ellen Hawkins: website. It's very simple. It's called Paul and Ellen together. Yes. Well, there's www. com and I believe our phone number is there. I can also give out a phone number. Um, it's 3 1 7 3 3 9 9 6. And if we don't answer, just leave a message again, that's 317 339 9693.

And that's my personal phone number, but yeah, just leave a message and we will get back with you. 

Kara Goodwin: Beautiful. And I'll have the information in the show notes too, so people can easily read it. Well, Ellen, this has just been beautiful. I've really, really enjoyed getting to know you and having you on here today.

So thank you so much. Oh, you're welcome. I

Ellen Hawkins: But so much. You're a blessing to the world. Oh, thank you.[00:53:00] 

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