367. Spirit Art: Your Soul on Canvas - Joanna Vogel

20240829 Joanna Vogel

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Kara Goodwin: Welcome to the meditation conversation, the podcast to support your spiritual revolution. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin. And I was really excited to be able to talk with Joanna Vogel, because I came across her work when I had my QHHT session with Suzanne Spooner. And I was so drawn to her beautiful and intriguing painting.

It was a delight to be connected with Joanna through Suzanne and to learn about her own spiritual journey. In addition to her work. And in this episode, we talk about that deep spiritual journey and what it's like for her as she channels energies to create her high vibrational creations.

I felt so much resonance with what Joanna shared, and I'm really excited for you to hear this one. Joanna Vogel is a Chicago based artist who migrated from Poland in her early 20s. Art was in her soul's blueprint, and it's [00:01:00] always manifesting in different forms through the years. 

Joanna specializes now in intuitive healing paintings that came in very spontaneously and instinctively. happened during a time when she was going through her own intense spiritual transformation, dealing with anxiety and later with depression.

 Her goal is to bring spirituality in physical realms with her art, planting seeds of love and joy in people's hearts and souls.

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Well, welcome Joanna. I am so excited to talk to you today. Thanks for being here. Thank you for having me, Cara. Thank you so much. So, let's talk a little bit about you and your background. What led up to you doing this spirit art and work that you're so gifted with?

Joanna Vogel: Yeah, that's a, that's a big question. to understand the whole picture, why are you doing what I'm doing right now? It's, I have to kind of go back when I was really young, because there's always something what we doing as kids, um, what we are like, how we are as kids, because we are pure, we don't have that, [00:03:00] that much programming yet.

Our true expression, it's, it's the hint for us to understand as adult self, What, what gifts we have, what abilities we have and what we are drawn to when we were kids, it's usually what we are going to be doing later in life. If we keep the path the way we're supposed to do, because some people may be not listening, uh, clearly enough, maybe don't want it.

They don't want to know, but. Yeah. The spirit, the soul will always get to you and show you the way what you're supposed to be doing here as a human being. So as a child, I was, um, you call super sensitive, you know, whatever, if it's really super sensitive or too sensitive, I don't know, but this is how they perceived me as a child.

Um, I have a twin sister and we always have each other. So it's just good support, a lot of support from each other. I was usually [00:04:00] always, um, really quiet. Um, really shy and I also was, you know, sensitive to sounds, different frequency and nobody understand that. And my sister too. I didn't like certain foods.

I was really horrible either because I don't like the smell, you know, all of that sensitivities, allergies, and always something was happening to me. Always I was, I was painting a lot and I was, uh, sensitive to high heat, um, but I was perfectly healthy. They would check in on me and there was nothing wrong with me.

So there was something there they couldn't understand, as my parents and society, because in Poland growing up in communist country back then, it wasn't the easiest because the mentality that people were focused just on the physical, how we can put the food on the table, how can we just make sure the kids are dressed, and that's what really they were focusing on.

They didn't go any deeper [00:05:00] than asking the questions. So. I was thinking that something's maybe wrong with me, but I was like, okay, maybe not. Maybe everybody has that, but it was constantly wrong. Something, something happening. And I was having also a lot of, um, dreams, uh, to, they were coming, you know, later, like a future dreams that kind of came actually, that happened actually later.

Of course, I couldn't talk to my parents about this either. Um, a lot of scary stuff happening in my dream state too. And also on a physical, it go to like paranormal, we call it now, but I don't know really what's paranormal place we use for it. And I was also, um,

what was there happening? The communication, I wasn't talking that much. I felt like. I was having the thought I was having emotion and feeling and I felt that everybody can hear me through telepathy. I just felt it's so [00:06:00] natural that the language was useless for me. I felt like it's like using so much energy.

And when I heard somebody talking like grownups, I was like, why do I talking that so much? It's such a, you know, it's so obvious. So there was already something there that I did not speak a lot. I felt like it's not necessary. I was really an observant kid and detail oriented. I used to go in nature and observe the nature, the birds.

I was fascinated with birds and animals in general. I used to be fascinated with the human body. I used to watch grown ups face and, you know, the expressions, their nose. I was looking at this proportional, what's not, you know, all the details. And, you know, my parents joined my mom's, but she tried to, you know, see what's going on.

And I was perfectly healthy, but it didn't go any deeper, but I did not have safe environment in my home. That which didn't help at all. It was pretty abusive. So I have my sister. So we kind of always have each other. It was [00:07:00] really, um, great because I don't know how I would do by myself. It was just me. But that was my childhood was as my six, seven, eight years old.

And I have those scary, really, uh, dreams. Now I understand what was the purpose of them. Um, you will call energetic attacks, however you want to call it. Doesn't matter. It is the purpose for energetic attacks. Yeah. And a form of entities and, you know, um, different kind of stuff, but I was all by myself with that.

Even my sister didn't know about this. So I was kind of quiet until high school and college ties because I choose to go to college, which we now don't have a really much choice. I chose architecture because I was already like knowing how to draw and I'm like, okay, maybe I should do this, which I didn't know what I want to really do, but I know also why I chose that went in this direction.

Um, [00:08:00] so, and that during this time, it was challenging for me to deal with all anxieties. I have a lot of anxieties. I got the full blown panic attack when I was six years old and that was it for me. So I knew there was something going on, but. I, I didn't have any support.

So I was thinking, you know, I have to deal with this on my own and kind of somehow blend it to, um, this reality and, and, and put up with stuff and kind of, uh, try to blend, you know, and try to be normal, you know, like everybody else, because I felt like nobody has that. But I guess something's not right with me.

So I have to kind of pretend like I'm okay. So I went to college and it wasn't easy because you don't have your space. You don't have, and I was feeling all those energies. And that's what happened when I was a kid, I was tuning into energetical environment and people and their thoughts and feelings.

They were not even mine, but I could feel them so much environment changes of the weather, cosmic changes. 

Kara Goodwin: [00:09:00] Planet 

Joanna Vogel: changes when they change the positions and stuff. So all of that was actually affecting me until now, but then because I know exactly what was happening from this point. Now, what happened when I was a kid?

Um, so, so I was dealing with that anxiety panic attacks for my almost whole life on and off. And at some point when I, I decided when I tried to, you know, continue my education in Poland, I got so sick there, um, that I, I couldn't do it. And, um, I was basically, my soul was telling me, you have to find the way and find what's going on.

This is so much healing to do there. So I came to the United States. My mom was here. Um, and she told me like, you have to take care of your health. It's more important than anything else. So, and I also met my husband, he was American, and I started my family [00:10:00] and I know that moving to America actually gave me that it was a transformation point in my life because I would never be able to do what I'm doing now back in my country.

There was no way. The belief system, um, you don't, there was back then, there was not any like schools about this, like any mentors, you could not find anything like that. And here, it opened the door for me to even have that. The bigger opportunities to find what's going on with me. is it?

Physical? Is it? Is it, you know, spiritual, energetical? So it opened a bigger door for me. And even though when I find out on a physical level that I was actually, um, because I was in a moment that I couldn't really take care of my daughter, I was so sick that I have to go to the doctor and they actually diagnosed me with the panic attack disorder, which for me, there was relief.

It was relief even though I was not in a medication. I didn't [00:11:00] like we don't do medication with all the holistic way back in my country. So there was not even a case. I never will use any substances because I was afraid of them. Any like, you know, drugs or anything like if you want to feel better. It was not the case, but because I was not able to take care of my daughter.

I was so sick. Um, I had to go on medication for the panic attacks and it helped me tremendously. Thank you. There was a point for me that I start feeling normal, whatever the normal is. I kind of blocked all those, uh, sensitivities. I didn't have to feel so much and feel everybody. I was kind of on a surface level for like 15 years, around 15 years, on and off.

Because I have my kids, I have two kids, later I have my son. So I have to kind of continue that life, kind of be more Sleep. That's how we usually do continue the normal basic day to day life, you know, go to work, go to school, pay your bills, all of that. [00:12:00] And it worked. I could do it, but I felt like there's something missing.

This is not me. And I know nothing comes when you're ready. So when it came the moment when my dad passed away. And then after that, I was actually getting separated from, you know, my marriage fell apart. So there was a turning point again for me to go inward and start looking what's there, what's afterlife.

My dad started, I didn't ever had a closure with him. There's a lot of healing to do and he was coming to me, to my dreams. And I was actually feeling the first time in my life. love from him and support. And I just knew, okay, there's something going now besides this reality. And this is so much, it's so big that we can't even comprehend.

And it's like, it felt like it's happening here. And now there's no separate place. So I have a lot of questions. I was going towards, um, spirituality. So like reading books, uh, going to expos, um, different [00:13:00] conferences, Searching to, you know, different, different questions and answers and also, uh, looking for that meaning of life, who you are, who I am, you know, as a, as a human, uh, what's the purpose, why I'm here.

Um, and it was because it was exhausting. It was really exhausting being here on this planet. And I felt like I'm wearing this heavy suit, like I can't breathe. I cannot really freely walk. It was kind of like a struggle, like a fight with something. And I want to be free. I felt like this. I needed that freedom.

And there was a lot of healing done, but also I tried to get off the medication, but it wasn't easy. I was afraid. What if I start feeling too much again? That was also, you know, the case that the comfort zone I was in, but I knew something. My higher self, I believe, you know, back then source God, whatever you want to call was giving me a little nudges, you know, okay, you have to do this, [00:14:00] this can't stay this, this is just temporary.

But you have to go deeper. And when I get past the way I kind of move in this direction and my, um, separation, I'll start experiencing a lot of four three, uh, four dimensional realities, more like all, you know, a lot of entities coming, but in a non negative way, but positive. 

Kara Goodwin: As you were coming off of the medication, you mean?

Joanna Vogel: That was kind of the part of this. It was not a straight line. My whole journey was not a straight line. It was, you know, up and down and a lot of fear coming back and coming, you know, again, trying, coming back. It was just on and off. It's just a long story. I have to tell all the details. But, and I was going, you know, To Brazil, looking for answers and trying to heal myself, you know, and like, I want to be, I want to be well, I want to be happy.

I want to feel that joy of living. I felt constantly that anxiety, depression, you know, constant, the same thing, heavy, [00:15:00] heavy feeling. Uh, but then later, of course, I understood what was this for. And back then, you know, I was just like, I don't want to do this. I don't, I can't do this. It's too, it's too hard.

It's a struggle. It's a, it's a torture. That's how I felt. But in 2015, when I was going, um, to Brazil, just kind of looking for the healing. and I started working in hospice too, for kids, um, disabled kids and adults. It was, taught me a lot. Uh, so I was open to this, something new, um, new chapter of my life too.

And I started really going in. It was scary place. It was really scary place. And I was hitting that the moment when I was going deep and I was going to the dark place, I was finding myself. And there was a moment when I found God, when I'm talking about even to get emotional, because there was something there that I needed to experience, [00:16:00] to see why we experienced darkness, to understand the light, why we, why we have to experience the cold, to know it's the heart, plus, minus.

And we live in a dual reality and we always going to be experiencing polarity. So they, I have to experience those, you know, um, states to understand the light, who we truly are. And there's no separation from darkness and light at all. And that's what I experienced during those moments. I found myself and I see that there's no separation.

There's, it's all connected, like light and dark. It's just one. Um, and I felt this fully because I not just only, and back then I was already off the medication. There was, I took my medication. So I start feeling everything. So that's, I understood that I'm not only feel emotions, but also I am the emotion.

So I could be so deep into that [00:17:00] state that I'm actually it. Itself. And that's what I was worried about until I started alchemizing that and transmuting that and something else. And that when I start being pushed, I say pushed because through the universe to start painting because I could transmute the energies into that physical form.

Doesn't matter if it's It's heavy feeling or happy feeling in one. And I remember in the moment when I started, uh, you know, I was drawing here and there and you know, once in a while, but I was using pencil. I never would paint, but because paint was something more like a free movement, you just move like, it's not like rigid that you have to do line here.

It's just kind of go. And if you want to change this, go over this. So it's like really free hand expression. And it's a form. Um, I understood later it's a form as, um, automatic writing, but [00:18:00] it's automatic painting. So that's why you don't use your mind. I didn't use my mind at all because when I was like, notch and push towards that, I remember that moment that it was just energy was coming through me so much energy.

And I felt this energy of like this, um, in a power force, but it's just kind of like that, um, creative force. The God force and it's just like push me that and I start remembering the first painting when I painted was a female was a woman. It just came through me. I didn't know what it was. I never really want to go.

It's not like I know what I'm painting and just start having images and colors and feelings associated with that energy and it comes to that. I mean, when I sit down, I start doing that painting with my brush. Then when everything comes and flows and everything unfolds. So when I start painting her, I just start feeling that energy associated with her.

And I'm like, start crying. [00:19:00] It was my first painting, crying so deeply because I felt her, her freedom. I felt that freedom. And I, she was connected with the earth. She had flowers. The hair was like moving in the air. She had the hands open with the light coming out of the hands. And she was actually pregnant.

And I didn't understand why I paint her pregnant. It was her birth. It was my rebirth. And I remember when I paint her, I was asking, why can I not feel this way here and now? And they say, this is you, this is you, you paint yourself and you are, this is actually happening already, but you did not tap it into that yet version of yourself.

I was in the process for reverting myself and I was frustrated. I was frustrated. I was like, why can't I, I just, can you take it away from me? All this, what I feel it's too much. [00:20:00] And they say, no, until you understand why is this happening? It's not to you. It's happening for you. So there was big, big time.

Then moments was where something happened there and I was blown away myself. I started communicating with some higher. I said, it's, it's a source. I don't feel it's something separate from me. It's it's a part of me. It's a higher aspect of me. And we have many aspects of us. And we can tap into them. So I was tapping.

I didn't have any, uh, beans or I felt like it's a part of me. It's a source coming through me, expressing itself through me. And I was like, well, okay. So there was the next painting and next painting. And it was feeling all the places where I started doing like paint. I felt like I know them so well. I've been there and I can tap in directly into this energy and be there.

And bathe myself in this energy, [00:21:00] but then I have to come out. And come back to the physical form in a way feelings. And then I was feeling again, what I need to feel, you know, the process of healing. It was still continuous. It wasn't like it was second, you know, it was done and it was, it was still happening, but I felt was something, some shifts in my energy.

And I felt, and I could, I could feel it, like there's some support because I felt always lonely. It was like a separation, but it's not separation ever. We separate ourselves. We turn the back, um, you know, to ourselves, to, you know, to God and we, we have to kind of go back and turn again towards that version of us.

And I started feeling that support and it was, uh, also there was a lot of stuff happening that time. a lot of things, oh my goodness, it's so much if I have to talk about it, but. A lot of experience with extraterrestrials too. Uh, I know I was taken, uh, many times, [00:22:00] uh, on a ship. Like your physical body or was that a of them physical and some were just that my, uh, consciousness was, um, there.

Kara Goodwin: Mm-Hmm. . Uh, 

Joanna Vogel: but I don't have the memories. Some of them, I'm not, I'm not sure if they're like, um, I'm not say positive, negative. I don't wanna kind of, you know, use, um, you know, separation, but. There's sort of the purpose to, and, uh, but a lot of things were actually, they were teaching me and showing me things.

And I was giving that upgrades of my body and how I can use my heart space. It was about heart space and how we are powerful as human beings. What we can do because we, I was always, didn't want to feel it was too much. And this is the gift we have been given from God, from spirit. To be able to feel your emotions and senses and we don't use them because we are, we are taught.

It's not good to [00:23:00] feel. You can be this, you can be that, and everybody numb themselves or distract themselves. And we actually need to use them so much because nobody has such a big spectrum of. Emotions like we do. They don't experience any of this and they would like to experience because it's something what we have and we can use it for creativity, the creative self, and they don't have it either.

It's something when we can actually have some. We are so unique and so in this case. So they tell me how, you know, we have to, you have to use those emotions and alchemize them, use them, play with them, master them. This is why we are here. This is the gift. You can, the senses, smells, sensations in your body.

We are afraid of them. Oh my God, something's happening to me. I know your body kind of tunes to the energies constantly. It's like a, you know, that equipment you have and it tells you how much, you know, degrees, how much this and our body works this way. [00:24:00] It's a amplifier. It's the harmonizer itself, purifier.

It's all at once. 

Kara Goodwin: Right. 

Joanna Vogel: It's it does this and we have as we keep that our vessel clean and purified itself and we have to keep that with balance with the nature because this is where we came from. And when we keep that in balance. And taking care of the physical vessel and also we, you know, walk barefoot and talk to the sun, talk to the trees, you know, look at the birds, listen to birds.

We all connecting and, and harmonizing our body and kind of being one with nature. And there is no, the blocks are not there. There are kind of energy can flow in and out and then now constantly, and we will never get sick. You would never get sick. You would never, you may have a few emotions. But you will always, your body knows exactly what to do because this is how we design and emotions are not on our, you know, uh, put us down or keep us, you know, stack or [00:25:00] this dark actually for us to play with them and master them.

 Joshua doesn't matter what you believe system. He was an example. He had emotions. He was expressing emotions like we do, but he knew what to, he was working with them and he was always coming back to the heart and actually I have experience with Jesus twice. He showed me to a lot of things and that was always the way for me to understand that this, what my purpose is.

They show me what I need to do here. When I got that fully to, you know, embrace that part, I'll be, it took some time. I wasn't like, Oh my God, I know what to do now. I can just, no, it take, I still have so much stuff to do so much work to do on myself because we are afraid to go inward and look at our shadow self, which we all do have.

It's also some of the purpose because we would never know what's the light, what the bright side of us. The good qualities and [00:26:00] this, but how we play with that and being aware of this. So that's how I started when I started painting that was kind of opening something bigger for me. And I was sort of going deeper and deeper and I started feeling big, um, shift within me and I was kind of having more questions.

I want to know more and that, but it was in a different, on a different, different level. I was exciting, excited to do so. Um, a lot of people will come into my life start, you know, that's also for a reason. And when it was actually turning point in this, because I changed, I have to, you know, change the, you know, environment to, to move to a different house.

And start was changed. So it's like changes was still happening with me. Um, but I felt so much better. I was on the medication. I was. Knowing how to balance what my body needs. I was missing my body more because most I was more in my physical [00:27:00] vessel because I was constantly, um, trying to escape my body because I felt uncomfortable in this 3d reality was too heavy dance, but I, as soon as he's talking on my shadow, my traumas, my wounds.

I was able to enjoy my body and actually enjoy physicality and, you know, start being like, Oh my God, it's fun to be human. It's, Oh my God, it's this and that. I'm like, Oh my goodness, I want to be here. I want to do what I supposed to and start stuff. So it was coming to me and was more clear. The answers were more clear and I could actually have more.

I was embodying myself fully. And there was a time after about a year when I was painting for myself, I received a message that I should start doing this for others. So there was a next step in this journey and I start painting. I trust myself fully in this case. Uh, but I was like, okay, let's see what happens.

You know, it was [00:28:00] kind of like, let's see. So I started when I'm doing that and people were really, they want to do it. And back then I call this soul painting because that was probably the easiest for people understand, you know, sounds okay. And it was kind of clear and they liked that. So when I start doing that, I realized there's so much more than that too.

It's not just about painting for someone. It's also exchange of energy with that person, with the soul. We constantly, we, like we say, we all want, we all connect, but we don't understand what it means. You know, people still feel separate from everyone, but I could experience that connection on this, you know, individual way, tap into their soul and emotional body, hurt their traumas.

The human experience wasn't just that, you know, soul itself, but, you know, also that 3d, stuff, whatever the, the individual is going, going through, um, and also receiving a lot of exchange of [00:29:00] energy too. 

and I saw a lot of people were really, really, um, amazed. And when I saw their reaction, because I usually always give, and I never really send a painting to anyone.

I always give it in person. I like to kind of have a connection. Uh, I do. I, and I saw that, um, reaction and how they react. And I was like, okay, that's it. I don't need anything to know. I know what's my purpose. I know what's my purpose. And I know how I can help as some individual, or even if they have to see themselves who they truly are, if they have to discover something within themselves, or if they have to have some kind of trigger, the trigger of memory, which they You need to go deep in something, where it came from.

Maybe it's something important to know, even like the, the roots, it coming from, if it's Islamolia, it doesn't matter. Not everybody will get the same [00:30:00] message, whatever they needed the most. 

Kara Goodwin: when you, you were talking about what it's like for you on your end, in terms of you, you experience these energies that come through and it seemed like it was kind of opening things up for you, or you were connecting to things maybe that were already there. But through the painting, you were getting this Access and then it kind of amplified as you started working with people, I imagine you were maybe feeling different energies.

I mean, you've said as much really that you're kind of connecting with different energies. And then you talked about how that was affecting your non painting time, right? You're feeling more comfortable in your body. You're actually getting joy out of. The density of the human experience. So do you feel that through the painting with the energies that you've connected with, are they [00:31:00] kind of integrating into you in terms of like in your non painting time as well?

So do you feel like you've got more access to this all the time, or is it different, or do you still feel like you're in a different state when you paint? Does that make sense? 

Joanna Vogel: Yeah, absolutely. Um, yes. Uh, I definitely what you mentioned about integrating those energies. Yes, that's kind of what happened with me.

every day 24 7. Um, you know, I'm having my human experience have my emotions stuff, but I feel fully connected with it. Transcribed With those energies, with the source, whatever you want to call. Uh, but when I start painting, it's just like that, like I say, the tuning switch, even higher switch, like the volume up.

That the intention is it's sent and it's like, okay, you are here. And I, when I start doing that, my mind, it's not on the way. So I feel that the energy flows constantly. I can be there in the state and paint for like hours. I don't have [00:32:00] to even go anywhere, leave the house. Even I forget to go to the bathroom.

I'm like, Oh my goodness, because I'm in the state and I can actually receive a lot of information, not really necessarily also just with the painting itself, but just the downloads. during this time, because I'm in a state of meditative state, but I'm not, I don't have to prepare myself. I don't have to meditate before I start painting.

It's just so simple. It's the intention. You send intention for purity and open heart. That's it. That's how, how much it takes. And, my higher self knows, you know, what has to come through. And sometimes during those times happened that I received.

Messages or downloads not associated with the painting because I was in a state perfect state that they knew what time is the best for me to receive them and hear them really clearly. So it happened to me, uh, even during that painting when I paint for Susan, I can mention that, um, during the painting, I actually receive a lot of [00:33:00] information.

It was interesting time when I was doing the painting, something Suzanne Spooner. Yes, yes. And that was actually I was doing, which not really often, but sometimes it happens like paint to paint at the same time. They don't has nothing to do with each other. But sometimes I needed to do it for the reason the person, whatever needs a painting, it's in need.

So it happens. And I know how to switch those energies. And that's what happened, actually, and I received a lot of information back then, and a lot of, um, there was another painting, actually, I, I started painting the bean. Which I received a message here before that I'm going to be painting, um, high dimensional beings, and it's more not about physicality, but the energy because that energy when I bring it down, it's like bringing the high frequencies and energies down to the physical and the paintings itself.

It's just the emanates those energies. Through it. So so I when I start [00:34:00] painted Suzanne's painting. Actually, I can shut. It's not, uh, there was something it was opening there. Like I was ready for the next step. Like I said, they give you always like, okay, you are here and then it's okay. Now it's the next.

You're ready for next step. So it was kind of like a jump during this time. And I received https: otter. ai Another dimension and I was painting that being, um, so, and that's how it's, I start being, you know, communicating with this being specifically with this being, but he was like more as a collective is not like always think it's an individual, it's more collective self.

All those, you know, high dimensional, the same as we are individual, but also we have collective selves and we all connect with everyone as a human, you know, um, race. It works similar. Um, so that's, that's, what's definitely, it's like, I'm in a different state more, you know, I can receive so much more.

Because I'm an open [00:35:00] channel and you know, I, my mind is not, I don't think like, Oh, how should I paint this? Well, it's, it's not that it's just the flow. And as soon as I start painting, everything just start unfolding. You know, I can see, I can go deep into that painting and I can see it and feel that everything was there.

And it's kind of, it brings it back. Forward with my brush is how it works.I understand that people wants to know what they meant by painting specific thing under painting.

And I don't I don't have answers always for that, because it's for them. to know and find out for themselves. And that's what they also want us to do. We ask questions. We like to know like, Oh, what's this? And how would you name this? Like questions? How do you feel? What do you feel when you look at the painting?

 and I was actually trying to explain as much as I could with my words, language we have been given, which is really limited, by the way.

Uh, that's why I was like, I wish everybody would speak telepathic by then. Yes, right. [00:36:00] possible. So I start to try to use, um, a smooth, I don't know, sophisticated language, but even though it's not the easiest, but as much as I can express what I felt, what I saw. But now it's more about not really soul painting.

It's more what you need to know and see and feel and receive from that painting, 

Kara Goodwin: Is it the high? Are you doing like the high dimensional beings now? Is that like more common? 

Joanna Vogel: Yeah. Yeah. But if they come this particular painting I was doing, it was needed for the individual was needed badly for this individual.

I was shown to paint something and it should in its change. And I was really confused. I'm like, never happened to me. And I felt like I need to put it on the side. Like, okay, just leave this painting for now. Leave it. So it was continuing as Suzanne painting and doing what I need to do and there was a lot of energy coming through, a lot of [00:37:00] energies.

Um, and then I came back and I'm like, oh my goodness, that's not going to, it's not going to be this, it's going to be something else. Because there was a shift, I need to do something else. And that being came through, and actually, the individual I know, I know her well. She was, she's very intuitive and she could, she could communicate with this being actually.

Yeah. And it's been communicating and he was kind of shown for her to show her to have a healing journey because she needed so badly that moment. Um, she was going through a lot of stuff and she needed to see something. And. She was just amazed. She was just blown away. What happened with, to her when she was communicating with him.

But I received a lot of things that I will be painting, um, more of those beings and it's more energy, energy wise, like bring those energies into the physical. 

Kara Goodwin: do you, cause you've also talked about with you, you're, you're, you definitely [00:38:00] perceive source and you're perceiving a lot, but, um, but you talk about it a lot energetically.

And then you, you briefly mentioned the ETS, but for you, do you, Have a sense of your guides or the beings that are helping you. Do you, do you perceive what they appear, what they could appear like if they had any form? Yeah, okay. 

Joanna Vogel: Um, it's interesting question because I was, I was asking them myself and they said it's not important.

Kara Goodwin: They 

Joanna Vogel: told us we like labels. We like have idea how they look like. And for the, for our physical eyes, they can, you know, they might be for me as a ball of light, but then for us, there was like, they give you idea how they look, but we can attach to that right away. It's this, this being is this, this from this planet from this and they don't want me to go that day.

I experienced them on a ship on a spaceship, but they'd never show me their face. [00:39:00] And I'm like, why can't I see, I'm like, it's not important. It's not your focus right now. That 

Kara Goodwin: is fascinating because I am the same. Like I. I have, I've, I've tried so, uh, I'll put that in quotes. I've tried so hard to see form and it's like, I know you're here.

I know that there, that there are beings here and I know there are beings helping me and I might even feel like vibrations in my body, like physical, I'll feel physical things. Um, And I also notice while we've been talking that every once in a while that, um, our connection will, one of us will freeze. And it's often when we are talking about, like when you were talking about being on the ship, it happened, it happened when you're talking about a high frequency being, it just happened, uh, as I was talking about it too.

So it's kind of like the technology is being affected as [00:40:00] well. Yeah. 

Joanna Vogel: Absolutely. Absolutely. And I exactly know what you're saying because we are humans. We like to have like, Oh, idea. Oh, they look like this. And it was like, Oh, I received those from this being. It does not matter. Like why would you feel here in your heart?

You know, it's pure and you know, but something, and I experienced both. I experienced both. So I know exactly how it feels. So they, it's not, they say it's not important, but I have a deal. My, Uh, when I came from and I have, you know, connection with Syrian beings, with Syrians and Angelic beings and Palaeontians and also my Lemurian roots, there's like a lot of Lemurian roots within me, which I makes all sense because they were all connected to nature.

They want to kind of, more than Atlanteans, they want to follow the law of nature. So we connected with nature. Uh, technology was. Also part of that, but they were not, they were taking that as a additional thing and helpful in [00:41:00] some ways, but I want to use organic technology, which is, you know, uh, whatever that frequency is energies, they use that, uh, vibration.

Uh, so I can see that definitely there, uh, huge, uh, in the earth, you know, all of this, and I've been connecting to an earth too, energetically. Um, and I, and I have. You know, visions of beings, but they're not telling me, oh, this is, this is me, this is us, you know, it's just like, I feel, you know, the feeling I have, it's just like, I'm all of this, I'm all part of this, and my higher aspects of me, they're not separate from me, and actually they're learning so much from me.

We exchange energies constantly and then evolving. It's not like we just getting something from them. It's not like it's also exchange. It's also exchange and they learned so much from me. How me as I'm doing being a human self right now. And they were like, Oh, wow, she's doing this. Oh, look at this. You know, it's not like that.

They're just like that. [00:42:00] But you know, they, because they have, you know, the higher knowledge and higher awareness of things and technologies and they don't have emotions like we do. And they, they can really support us on this and they won't really, they won't for us to be, you know, do well and enjoy life, you know, simple things.

So we like caught up on like, Oh, I want to see this, you know, UFO. I wanted this like focus on something like you will get exactly what you need. Not everybody's meant to experience exactly the same thing. Like somebody else, you know, I didn't need to experience all of that. I have through my dreams day, because like I said, my mind was asleep.

I call it the sleep doesn't get on the way. That's the next too many questions, you know, so that was the way for them to communicate with me and show me things that they give me glimpses because also, and they don't want to show me how they look because they said, if we showed you how we look and we kept you more in there, you would never want to come back here [00:43:00] and do what you need to do.

You have the mission here. You have things to do important things to do during those times and you'll be focusing on something else. It will be destruction and like you, you get exactly what you need to know what you need to do. They said, no, that extra stuff, you know, us, you are us, you know, you don't need to confirmation with that.

They exist. I don't need all of that because I feel like I'm them, you know, I'm all the parts of that Lemurian and, uh, Syrian and pleiadian and angelic, all of this within me, I just have to, you know, express this as my human form. And I'll come, I'll economize all those energies and emotions. and play with them again.

And, you know, with the Jesus, I can mention that he showed me where we have, where we can master emotions, not when we feel great and happy and joyful when there's the times of sadness and, and challenges. And actually, they show me [00:44:00] that they placed me in the place where there's a lot of violence and a lot of, you know, It would say drug users and unsafety place and they placed me there.

I'm like, okay, now do what, uh, what you need to do. I said, like, be, you're the best version of human self right now in this place. We have a lot of fear, how you can trust me this fear. I really, um, what's this fear coming from? So they show me, that's the place we need to, uh, show our compassion, our love, our Acceptance and understand that no judgment that all the people, you know, beings and, uh, individuals are doing the best they can, and they have their own path, but how we can be compassionate and supportive and still help them in a way as much we can without interfering their path, personal path, because they're learning too.

So that's how we, that's why we're here. And that's why we, if they will show me all of [00:45:00] those details, I will be caught up. And usually I have to use the senses and, and emotion and feeling that, feeling the, you know, my, to my body, with my body.

Kara Goodwin: Right. Yeah. I, I mean, uh, I resonate so my, our, our paths have been very, very similar and the, the learnings that we're being, you know, the lessons that we're, we're learning along the way are very similar to, and, and I also love how you were talking about the dream time. And also, again, like the E. T. things that you've experienced where you say, I don't quite remember them.

I know that they've happened. And even last night, I, I woke up this morning and I'm like, I can't believe I forgot. You know, I knew, I knew at least in the dream time, like I know that there was a dream that I was having deep, deep in sleep or at least deep in the night, you know, like hours before I woke up.

And I was really wanting to remember that dream. And, [00:46:00] but it felt like something happened overnight. And then I woke up and I had this mark on, on the top of my nose at like a purple mark. And I'm like, I have no idea, like on a place that I don't, it's not, I don't sleep on my face. So I'm like, And it was even, sorry, go ahead.

They 

Joanna Vogel: would give 

Kara Goodwin: a 

Joanna Vogel: little mark. Yeah, they would give a little mark. Oh, I remember just you were doing something where there's some, you know, you were experiencing something. So just we would give you this, okay, so you know. 

Kara Goodwin: Right, yeah, and so it, it really felt like something had happened. I, you know, I, And I, I, and I can't hold it, but I do have the feel like, like I've got the, the sense within me, the feeling within me where I'm like something happened. So I completely, and then I just love how, as you were talking, you were like, yeah, I've had several experiences.

I don't remember all of them, you know, but, but I know that they happened and it was like, oh my God, that's a perfect way to describe what I've just experienced. Experience, you know, and I have that often too. It happened last week as well, where it was just [00:47:00] like, why is everything different? Some, everything's different and I don't know why.

Joanna Vogel: Yes. And you feel like there was something upgrade happened or shift, whatever you were doing. And, and we doing. In different timelines, we, we are existing and also, you know, different dimensions and they, we doing some work there too. I, I, I know when I at night and when I don't really sleep, uh, I'm doing something totally different, you know, and I'm coming here, I'm doing something else, you know, and I'm like, it's not like we just come just doing this part of our existence.

It's also. different areas, you know, and that's amazing. And they give you exactly what you need, like I said, always. And, um, as much as you can handle, if it's like even the. Working on traumas and wounds, you know, they will always know when it's the good time for you to go deeper because if you're already going really, you know, going, having a hard time, they will not go and give you, like I say, go and give you, it's like you're given permission, but they kind [00:48:00] of assisting you with that.

You are not alone, ever alone, you know, and I feel always that support. And I, I always know when I'm going to get sick, like you need to get sick because it's an upgrade. This is the way your body fully surrender the mind. It's not on the way. And you can get upgrades, so it's in a form of illness, disease, temporary, and you're getting upgrades and reset your body.

You know, it's a physical, mental, emotional. So that works also through this, through that disease or unbalance in your body too. Mm-Hmm. Um. So I know exactly, I have a couple of things when it happened to me this way, and I have to lay down, be still for seven, seven days or five days. So like the Fortuna fever state, and then like, okay, now you're not going to be chatty too much.

You have to just surrender and be quiet and just let go all the control because we have control. I have kids. So you have this typical mom, you know, I do this, do that, you know, are you okay? You know, and constant that and just [00:49:00] you have to let go because you know you have no choice. Right? So that's, and that through those paintings also, you know, there was like a changes coming and I was doing those two paintings and something happened.

Definitely there's some shift and then I was like doing something else. And I have to put the painting away and there's something that's coming through me. I could feel it. Even now when I'm talking, I get dizzy. See, I get this little energy. Feel it in, in my, in my head, pulling me. 

Kara Goodwin: I, I received that. Yeah.

That's so funny because like two minutes ago I was like, God, the top of my head is hot anyway. Yeah. 

Joanna Vogel: feel it. And the energy is kind of like, I feel the spiral coming. Uh, so the information was coming through me and I start like, just like with my free hand, just write the symbols. And that was the next part of something was, uh, being awakened memory.

The knowledge we have, everybody has this within them. We have to unlock them, you know, the memory [00:50:00] wisdom we carry. So it's kind of common. I'm like, I don't understand, but I know I'll understand later. And it was actually, yeah, and it was, um, I was doing that just like random, like, I don't know, I have energy associated with this and I'll just like leave it.

I'll show my friends. She said, oh my God, this is some memories coming, um, through you. So whatever you, something what you know really, really well. And it felt like this. And I was research, research at the time. Sometime later, actually, uh, Tertarian Empire of about Tertaria, Tertarian, Tertarian, Tertarian Empire with the lost, uh, civilization.

Oh, I'm not familiar with that. Okay. Amazing. And when I start tapping into that and research, I'm like, Oh my God, I know this. I know that something happened. And I was taking a class about, uh, ancestral class. About family trees and all of that. And so family, how you clear those paths and energies, and it's really powerful [00:51:00] and doing this class at the end, I got triggered.

In a positive way. I don't know what happened. The memories start coming because it's ancestral work. So we go 20 ancestors back and obviously there was some, you know, memory from Tartarian time. It goes way farther than this, but I'm just want to focus on the Tartaria right now. So they have really high knowledge.

They use the high knowledge to build the structures and buildings and all of this. They knew exactly how to build. Where is this? Like where on the planet was it? It was mostly in Russia, uh, Mongolia, and uh, those parts, but also they, and the whole Europe spread, and so there was area, there was not really one place.

It was spread all over, but especially in Russia and, um, that area in Asia. So, but I was kind of getting that and I started like my full body reaction, sensation started [00:52:00] crying for 40 minutes. I couldn't stop. It was just shaking, you know, and this, I'm like, Oh my God, what's happened. I have to go for a walk and bring a walk.

I get also the, a lot of downloads and information and I start receiving the information. What's the symbol coming from? What's the term and what I, how I'm connected. I was the part of that actually creating the structures and those buildings and you're using frequency using sound and vibration to build all of that technology.

It's not built by hands. Like we have been told it's a higher technology and I tap into that life. and that memory. So everything makes sense. And those symbols and they will come in later more and more and more. And I started looking at the picture. I was like, I got those books because I was so fascinated.

And I was like, Oh my God, this looks like my symbol. Like, you know, close to, I'm like, Oh my God. No. Oh my God. This is my symbol to this. Like, no, that's my symbol, but it's like, I was just talking a picture, you know, how I was looking at, [00:53:00] I'm like, oh my goodness, what's, what is happening? It's something more.

So I just realized that, uh, Tatarians, they actually carry their Lemonian and Flentian knowledge. So they were putting that into physical. Our physical reality, you know, build those structure with knowledge. And there was another step for me to, that's why I chose architecture. That's why I chose architecture and also drawn to the old buildings that beautiful cathedrals and all those, you know, beautiful, you know, majestic, uh, structures.

And there were not actually designed for entertainment or designed for through healing centers that were not designed for. Um, you know, like, uh, go to church, you know, I think there's a church, but they actually was taken. They were designed to heal people because of the sound frequency and light and shape a form.

It's how they built in a perfect spot. So I've been dying in [00:54:00] a perfect, um, balance and with balance with nature again, they don't really know. I'm not talking about now how they build stuff. Boring and actually it's keeping us in a cube, which is limited. And the, everything was built in a perfect order, perfect harmony.

And they knew exactly how to build those, but in exactly what spot they need to build, 

Kara Goodwin: because they 

Joanna Vogel: were magnet electromagnetic field, the earth, the cosmic waves, and it has to be, everything has to be balanced and merged together and create this perfect environment. So we can be there and hear yourself.

It's like a healing chamber. So those churches cathedrals, you, you can actually get healed like this, but this is that Tony on a different subject. 

Kara Goodwin: Yes. And we, I, I want to give you a chance to tell people how they can connect and, and see your work and if they're interested in, um, in having some, something done.

[00:55:00] Yeah. Yeah. Yep. 

Joanna Vogel: The best way, it's like I don't have a website yet, um, I'll probably come up with something, but I will have for now just a Facebook page and Instagram so you can find me under Divine Art Creations, uh, Joanna Vogel, and there's like, not most of my art, but some of my art. And you can, you know, to Facebook, to Messenger, if anybody would be interested.

But for now, I'm having a full list of people, you know, the individuals waiting for the personal painting. I have some break because I need to focus on my paintings. So because I was getting ready, I was mentioning to you the conference. I was doing that for, uh, so we have to finish something. So I, I'm coming back to doing individual paintings, but also I start doing something else.

So it's started adding to my life. Then you can do symbology on clothing too, at some point and make hearts with the messages. Did you say symbology? Symbology put on the clothing. Oh! The [00:56:00] symbology. Yes! Whenever it's coming. Yeah. I can, I can show you the one example, you know, it's like something like 

Kara Goodwin: this.

I don't know if you see it. I've, I've been noticing that in the background and I was really like, Oh, what is that back there? That's beautiful. It's going to be on clothing 

Joanna Vogel: and cards. And I'm going to do actually with my friends, I'm going to be doing that. Uh, she's, she's going to be doing writing. She's up.

Really good channeler. So she's going to write and describe all about the symbol. And it's going to be also, I want to put another clothing. So if anybody wants to, you know, kind of, you know, just for like, if they feel drawn to the symbol and use it for like support and balance and harmony, then just that's, that's designed for that.

And it's, I know it's, there's going to be more. It's, it's actually receiving a lot of more information and guidance what I'm going to be doing next. And there's so much in front of me so much. 

Kara Goodwin: Will that be on Instagram too? Yeah. Just I don't want to miss out. Yeah. 

Joanna Vogel: Instagram. Facebook, I have [00:57:00] some of the stuff, but mostly Instagram.

Both, I have two, um, but the, the art one is Divine Art Creations. This is the art, where you can find my art. And actually, if you want to contact with me, you can message me there, or like, you can do the messenger. Um, I'm just really simple. I don't have a website yet because everything's just happened so fast.

Yeah. And I'm doing on my own on most of the stuff. So I'm still have to, you know, work and take care of my kids. So it's just kind of still, you know, but it's getting better. I have more time for myself and focusing on me so I can really go this direction. And I find my purpose for my purpose and mission, you know, Why am I here?

Kara Goodwin: Oh, wow. Well, this has just been wonderful. Thank you so much for sharing and thank you for everything that you're putting out there. Um, you have really, really high wisdom and, um, and energy coming through you. And I'm, I'm so blessed to have been able to [00:58:00] sit with you here today. 

Joanna Vogel: Thank you so much for having me.

I'm really appreciate it. So, you know, first time, you know, being on the show. So it was really great. You did wonderful, Lee. Wonderfully . 

Kara Goodwin: Yes, I did. So thank you so much. Thank you.

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