358. Science and the Afterlife with Evidential Psychic Medium Mark Anthony

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Kara Goodwin: Welcome to the meditation conversation, the podcast to support your spiritual revolution. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin, and oh my goodness, you guys, what a blessing it is to connect with the incredible Mark Anthony.

We have a truly amazing discussion that you're going to just love. Mark is an incredibly gifted medium, and he's passionate about blending the scientific with the esoteric. Much of our discussion is about not only his fascinating stories from being a medium, but the scientific and even technological evidence that's quickly coming to the forefront to back up what he experiences biologically as a medium.

And I even have my own psychic ish experience. relating to the solar plexus in this episode that left me fascinated. Mark Anthony J. D. Psychic Explorer, also known as [00:01:00] the Psychic Lawyer, is a fourth generation psychic medium who communicates with spirits.

He's an Oxford educated attorney Licensed to practice law in Florida, Washington, DC, and before the United States Supreme court, he recently won the OMI award for best psychic medium.

Mark appears nationwide on TV and radio, Including CBS TV's The Doctors, Gaia TV, and the Discovery Channel. He co hosts the live stream show The Psychic in the Dock on the Transformation Network. this psychic explorer travels to mystical locations in remote corners of the world to examine ancient mysteries and supernatural phenomena.

He's a featured speaker at conferences, expos, and universities, which include Brown, Columbia, Harvard, and Yale. Mark is the author of three best selling books. His latest, The Afterlife Frequency, has won multiple awards, ranked as one of the top books about faith, and was up for a Pulitzer. His other best selling [00:02:00] books are Never Letting Go and Evidence of Eternity.

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All right. Well, welcome Mark. I'm so excited that you're here. I've been waiting for months for this.

Mark Anthony: It's an honor to be here, and I really appreciate you having me on your podcast.

Kara Goodwin: [00:03:00] Well, I have had the blessing to see you talk live and to read your book, The Afterlife Frequency, and I feel like I know your story pretty well, but in case there's anybody who is just learning about you and your amazing skills and your amazing background, can you talk a little bit about your background and what led you to explore the topic of the afterlife?

Because it's very twisty and turny. It's not what you would expect.

Mark Anthony: Yeah, my, my story's a bit unusual, I guess, but then again, everybody is a unique person. Everybody has a unique story, you know, which is, is, um, part of them. I'm descended from a long line of psychics and mediums, and it appears to be a genetic trait. What's known as a recessive trait. In other words, being right handed is a dominant recessive trait because 90 percent of the people in the world are right handed. Being left handed is a recessive trait because, you know, it's, it's determined genetically [00:04:00] whether or not you're right handed or left handed. And with my family, both my parents, my mother and my father had these abilities they could, the two families could not possibly have been more different. My father's family, they were Baptists from Pennsylvania. They were northern baptists and very white Anglo Saxon Protestant conservative But my father had four siblings and one of his sisters Um was also a medium as was his mother grace and his maternal Excuse me his mother isbel and his maternal grandmother grace So there was that ran in that family Very heavily my mother's side of the family came from italy.

They were um italian catholics You My mother was a medium and, um, she was a, um, her maternal grandmother, Giovanna, also had these abilities. And Giovanna had come over from Italy and she was known in the Italian community of [00:05:00] New York city, little Italy and North New Jersey as the woman who knows things. And she was respected by a lot of the Catholic clergy, even bishops, even a Cardinal would come and consult with her and talk to her about spirituality. my dad was a Navy SEAL and, uh, he got out of the Navy and here he is, this all, you know, full of himself Navy SEAL. And he's at this USO dance and he said, I spotted this foxy looking dame. I remember him telling me this story. He met my mom and he was like 20, I think he was 21, 21 or 22. And she was 19. He thought she was like 30 because she was so well dressed and glamorous. Well, my mom worked at for a high end retailer and their design and advertising department. And so mom's told me she goes, well, I got all the designer clothes wholesale.

So she goes, I would wear, you know, you know, that anyway, they were both ballroom dancers and they, they really hit it off. And so they [00:06:00] met at a couple more dances. But my mom realized this was getting very intense and she said to him, she goes, before we go any further, need to realize can see I, I, I talked to dead people and my dad responded as only a sailor could with all the colorful metaphors and adjectives followed by, so do I. And then they realized that their connection was more than just You know, we're attracted to each other. There was this, this spiritual connection. Long story short, um, I have an older brother and older sister, and both of them have intuitive capabilities, but I was a surprise they had me a bit later in life and when I was around three years old, I started, um, I was three and a half and I was interacting with my invisible friends. And all, I remember my mother saying, Oh, he's got it. And my dad going, ah, [00:07:00] geez, he's got it. So, so from that age, I, I, uh, you know, because it's not unusual for toddlers to have invisible friends, but when mommy and daddy can see them as well, uh, they, they realize from that age, um, that, that I have these abilities and what I remember when I started school, uh, I was, uh, I was going to fifth to first grade and I was, uh, I just turned five years old my father and I was going to Catholic school and my father said to me, do not tell anyone about these things.

You can talk to mommy and daddy about them all you want, but people who see things others don't get taken away. I was, I was so scared and I remember I was shaking and, and I remember my dad and he was a tough guy, but he was such a good dad. He held me and he says, I'm not trying to scare you. I'm trying to protect you. I, I know I'm [00:08:00] going on a bit of a, um, a tangent here, but there was a good reason why he said that to me.

And I didn't know that until, until like 20 years later, his sister, Marjorie, who I never met. Um, on this side, she was a very gifted medium and about 20 years before I was born, she was married to this guy who was a religious fanatic for, for lack of a better term. He did not like her ability to pick up on spirits.

He didn't like her precognitive and anticipating future events. He thought it was Neville, you know, uh, the work of the devil and evil and all that nonsense. And one day he was going to work. He was a machinist who worked at a steel plant in Pennsylvania. And she had this horrible feeling, like she was getting it in her solar plexus, pit of the stomach, which is where, where we feel, feel things. Begged him not to go to work. They had a big fight. Finally, he acquiesced. All right, fine. I'll stay home. that day [00:09:00] a crane was lifting thousands of pounds of steel beams. And all of a sudden the cable snapped and the beams crushed the machine shop that he worked in and killed everybody in it. Now, if he'd been there, there's well over a 90 plus percent chance he would have, have been killed. And the thing is, Kara, you would think that he would be grateful that her spiritual

abilities saved

Kara Goodwin: Saved him. Yeah.

Mark Anthony: However, it intensified his fears. So he got an unscrupulous psychiatrist to diagnose her as a schizophrenic. hallucinations. She was forcibly removed from her home in a straitjacket. They took her to a mental institution where she was subjected to electroshock therapy for a period of over six months. They did so much damage to Marjorie's brain that she never [00:10:00] again about seeing spirits. And so that's why my father was so worried when I was a little boy, because we've been persecuted horribly over the centuries, burned at the stake for witchcraft and sorcery. And in the medieval era to this day in, in a number of mid Middle Eastern countries, um, people with these abilities are beheaded. So, so here I am a little kid and my dad wasn't trying to scare me. He was trying to protect me.

Kara Goodwin: Wow. Well, I have to say that when you started talking, was it Marjorie? Did you say

Marjorie,

you brought her up and I noticed in my solar plexus this sensation and

Mark Anthony: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: where I,

I was like, why is my solar plexus, what is going on with that? Like, where is that coming from? And I'm like, just made a note of it, but I was really like trying in my own [00:11:00] mind, like, why would my solar plexus be, be so active right now?

And then you, you go and talk about that. So that was incredible.

Mark Anthony: Yeah, and I'm glad that you brought that up because there's two major psychic receptor areas in our body. Um, the pineal gland, which is the proverbial third eye chakra for our people, um, our, our Hindu and Buddhist friends or our friends who do yoga. But we'll start with the solar plexus. The solar plexus is just below the rib cage and it's in the area of the diaphragm and it's the most complex bundle of nerves outside of the cerebral cortex in the body.

And the reason it's called the solar plexus is because the ganglia, the nerves radiate out from it like the rays of the sun, ergo solar plexus. It is been considered by some neuroscientists to be the body's second brain. Um, because it is, like I said, [00:12:00] the most complex bundle of nerves outside of the cerebral cortex in, in the, in the human body. And this is where, um, It is theorized that psychics, I know it is, but I have to, you know, stick to science is theorized that we pick up on emotional, intuitive, precognitive, you hear my gut feeling, well, where do you think that expression comes from? I feel it in the pit of my stomach. Well, that's because we pick up on emotional vibrations, warnings, dire consequences, things like that.

And people tend to pick up on negative. Um, things because it's a lower, denser vibration that's easier to detect than the higher vibrations of, of, um, positive energy, you know, and, and so, so that's why, you know, when you were saying that you were picking up on this and let's face it for all of you out there who are parents, you have this connection with your kids, [00:13:00] whether you're, you know, quote unquote psychic or not, you pick these things up. Then about four inches behind the center of the forehead in the brain is a small gland, the pineal gland. Some people call it pineal. Anyway, it's P I N E A L. most mysterious, most misunderstood, most studied gland in the body. It's between the size of a grain of rice and a small Lima bean. And it, uh, Recent studies have found calcite and magnetite crystals within the pineal gland. What was the first radio? A piece of quartz crystal with copper wire running low levels of electricity through it. in our brain, we have this, the pineal gland controls our brain wave frequencies, our ability to perceive light, our circadian rhythms, it secretes the hormone melatonin, [00:14:00] and that's just for starters. Incredibly sophisticated. you know, when you're jet lagged, the reason you're jet lagged is because your pineal gland hasn't had time yet to align with your position on the earth, with the earth's magnetic field. so everything's this electromagnetic energetic connection. the pineal gland is where we receive visual, auditory, um, data. So the, the, the solar plexus is the, the feeling, the sensory perceptions. The pineal gland is where we get the facts, figures, and data, if you will. So we have two psychic receptors in our body. That's why people will feel, feel that. And when people talk about visions, it's because that is detected by the pineal

gland.

Kara Goodwin: Oh, that's so fascinating. I love that. Thank you. Also, as an [00:15:00] aside, when you talk about your grandma, where in Italy did she come from?

Mark Anthony: Giovanna, she was my maternal

Great grandmother.

Kara Goodwin: Great grandmother.

Mark Anthony: cool back in 2016, PBS did a special called the Italian Americans. It was a two night special, two hours each. They actually did an entire segment. Aunt Giovanna. And

they

Kara Goodwin: No way. Oh,

Mark Anthony: her psychic abilities, which that was

really cool.

I

Kara Goodwin: that's amazing. Oh,

Mark Anthony: ringing. It was my cousins and my siblings. Everyone's texting. How did you see that? Um, Italy, uh, it looks like a boot. And if you go to the tip of the toe of the boot on the closest spot between Italy and Sicily is the town of Sheila S C H I L L A.

And that is where my family came

from was Sheila.

Kara Goodwin: okay. I Spent four years in Bologna. We just moved. Well, we just moved back. We moved back six years ago and I was I so anytime my ears always perk up where I'm like, I wonder [00:16:00] where But I did I was thinking it was afternight life frequency or not. Maybe I already knew that. Mm

Mark Anthony: I, um, my first book, Never Letting Go, and in my second book, Evidence of Eternity, I go more into Giovanna and the background. With each of my books, um, I, I try not to just reiterate what I've already

written. I mean, there's going to be

Kara Goodwin: hmm

Mark Anthony: um, because, uh, people need to understand the scientific concepts. But I didn't want, um, I mean, cause I read a lot of books by other mediums and with all the respect of them, it's, they're basically saying the same thing over and over and I try to make sure, like my first book, Never Letting Go is, I wrote it because it's a guide on the journey through grief. It helps people when you're in that fog, and it's like you don't know, and you're searching for something, and it teaches you about, um, how our relationship with someone we love has [00:17:00] gone from one of a physical nature to one of a spiritual nature. Evidence of Eternity. When I was on the Never Letting Go Tour, people kept asking me questions. Um, does God exist? Does, does hell exist? What happens when you die from suicide? Do animals have souls? They kept asking me all these cool, um, very cool questions. And I started keeping a track of those questions and that became the, the Genesis, if you will, for evidence of eternity and in evidence of eternity, I found a lot of people wanted, is there any science to back this up? the scientific explanations were so well received that that led me to work, um, even more in understanding the quantum physics behind spirituality, spirit communication, and, and that's what led me to write the afterlife frequency because [00:18:00] Kara, I believe, That there is an explanation for everything, even the mysterious, the unknown, even the spiritual. And it's going to be based on science and on quantum physics because we don't understand something now, or we do not, or have not yet developed the technology to detect it or quantify it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And that's why I think living in the 21st century, at least from that standpoint, is very exciting because we are making these advances in our understanding of the afterlife and survival of consciousness has expanded so much.

I think this is

great.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, and that's one of the things that I loved so much about the afterlife frequency is that merging, like a weaving of your incredible gifts. That, [00:19:00] you know, that you're experiencing, but it's hard for other people to experience at the same time, but then you're taking the science and explaining how frequency plays into it and how the physiology, the biology, all of that.

Um, and you know, it's worth mentioning that you are a lawyer. By training. So

Mark Anthony: Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: you've got this, um, highly intelligent aspect of your being and you're bringing. Um, very practical kind of everyday language so that it's really easy and accessible. That's the right word for it is accessible. Um, but do you want to talk a little bit about how you do see science and, um, spirituality kind of weaving together?

Mark Anthony: Certainly. And, um, you know, I spent years in the courtroom. I've tried over 100 jury trials and I don't even know how [00:20:00] many bench trial bench trials mean trials without a, um, a jury, uh, hearings and bench trials. And, um, I, I had a friend and he, he was hilarious because when he was talking to a jury, And I'm just, I'm just mimicking him here.

It was, he all but said this, I realize you're a group of morons. So I'll make this as simple as possible. And even had this voice that kind of sounded like this. And I remember, um, a couple of my friends, we were having lunch with him and he go, you know, you've got to stop insulting the jury's intelligence because these people are not stupid. They're just not schooled in legal legalese and the legal terminology. You know, because, you know, it'd be like, is proceeding through the intersection in a northwesterly vector when it collided with, how about, Joe Smith was going to work when he was slammed into by a bus, driven by Mac Jones, who was not paying [00:21:00] attention, and his life was changed forever. And so, I, I learned that, You have to take these complex concepts and put them in a, in a form that, that number one, people can understand. And number two, that they want to be able to hear. through enough boring books in law school that I don't want to inflict that on anybody. I mean, I could barely stand reading this stuff. I read some of the technical, not some, I read a lot of the technical papers and journals about afterlife science. And it's like, okay, guys, you're brilliant scientists. Okay. but I have the equivalent of a PhD and I'm bored, even though this is what fascinates me. Um, and so I take a lot of time to, to number one, understand that and then convert it into a way people want to hear it. And, and, um, I was working on, uh, something for the afterlife frequency. It was on quantum physics one day, and I just couldn't grasp it. And I was ready [00:22:00] to start pulling my hair out. And then this quote comes up from Werner Heisenberg, he's one of the founding fathers of quantum physics. And he said, when you think you understand quantum physics, you really don't. And I burst into laughter and it was like one of those signs from, you know, synchronistic science is like, okay, Werner Heisenberg was having a difficult time with his stuff. I'm feeling a lot better about myself now.

Kara Goodwin: Oh, completely. Well, you, you do have, because when I saw you live in the, in speaking in the, um, the Ascension retreat in Sedona, you were really, um, bringing together a lot of that quantum science and, um, Equating it to these people who were here to talk about spirituality. And it was, it was really fascinating.

And you talk about [00:23:00] things in terms of frequency match and how that kind of creates our experience and your, um, your experience as a medium and how frequency plays into it. Can you explain a little bit about the role of frequency?

Mark Anthony: Absolutely. Um, we know from quantum physics that everything's made of molecules, which in turn are made of atoms, which in turn are composed of electrons, protons, and neutrons, which in turn are comprised of the smallest particle, which is known as a quantum. And that's where the term quantum physics comes from. A quantum is pure electromagnetic energy our listeners, our audience who are adept in physics. Technically an electron is a quantum because it's one 1800th the size of a proton. All right. So there we got our, our physics people squared away. Now what this means Kara is that [00:24:00] everything on the subatomic level, is composed of the same electromagnetic energy. That means you and me, the, the, this pack of post its. Okay. The microphones we're speaking into the radio waves that this show is being broadcast on the rings of Saturn and beyond are at the subatomic level, all composed of the same particle of electromagnetic energy known as a quantum. And people tell me, well, that's really hard to wrap my head around. You think? I mean, this took Albert Einstein, Max Planck, Werner Heisenberg, Niels Bohr. a Louis de Broglie. I mean, it took the greatest geniuses this planet has ever produced to figure this out. So if you have a hard time wrapping your head around it, no problem. Okay, that's okay. But the thing [00:25:00] is, Everything vibrates on the subatomic level.

They just vibrate at different frequencies, which is why you and I are alive. And this pack of post its isn't because that's vibrating at a different frequency. We are okay. So now we have that. know that Energy is neither created nor destroyed, only transferred from one form to another. That's from the laws of thermodynamics and physics. We know from the field of neuroscience that the human brain has, um, is only 2 percent of the body's weight, but it consumes over 20 percent of the body's electromagnetic energy. Okay. Neuroscientists say that our consciousness, okay. The who and what we are. is the result of chemical reactions and electrical impulses within the brain.

Yet they're completely unable to explain why. And that is because the soul, the who and what we are pre exists the [00:26:00] body, comes into the body, moves on after the body dies. Just like every great spiritual teacher from the sages of ancient India, Through Zoroaster, Moses, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, Confucius, Lao Tzu, Gandhi, Yogananda, Paramahansa, the spiritualism of Native America, the religions of the Pacific, all say the same thing, that the who and what we are, soul, spirit, consciousness, pre exists the body, comes into the body, moves on after the body dies. So after years of research, I also found that the brain has five main frequencies. Gamma, Beta, Alpha, Theta, and Delta. Gamma is when your brain's really cranking at full speed. Okay, that's when you're, you're doing a calculus exam or you're on Final Jeopardy. Beta, those are the activities of daily living like the state we're in now. [00:27:00] Alpha. I call alpha the groovy baby state because that's when you start relaxing, you meditate and alpha can then lead to theta, which is deep dreaming, sleep, very restful sleep. And then there's Delta, which is extremely deep sleep or not much is happening brainwave frequency wise. because your energy in your body has been diverted to healing, growing and working on, you know, the mechanical repairs within our body. Sometimes I wish it would do a little bit more. Um, but each of these brainwave frequencies can be measured through QEEG and an EEG, quantitative electro encephalogram and an electro encephalogram, EEG. it is around eight Hertz, which is the border between alpha and theta, where psychic and mediumistic activity occurs. So what happens that spirits are able to [00:28:00] see this and they adjust their frequency down to that eight Hertz. That's why a lot of spirit contact, and I bet a lot of people who are watching this program right now have had in the sleep state, You have a dream where you talk to a deceased loved one and it feels real. It has a beginning, a middle, and an end. And you come out of it going, wow, I really just talked to my mom. And that's because you did. And the interesting thing is meaning people who study mediumship, we're not sure why or how, but people like me can go from the beta to alpha theta voluntarily within seconds. Normally it takes time to get into the dream state. So, so all of this is frequency. So based on a lifetime of study of both theology, quantum physics, um, um, anatomy and, and, uh, neuroscience, I developed the term, the [00:29:00]electromagnetic soul to describe what we really are, is a soul that is pure consciousness. Also known as a spirit that is eternal electromagnetic energy. So think of it like this. When you die, okay, your EMS, your electromagnetic soul is like a drop of water. It leaves your brain and then it plunges into this eternal sea of souls I call the collective consciousness. And the, um, the great Edgar Cayce, uh, one of the most renowned psychics of all time who passed back in the 1940s referred to this as the universal mind. may look at it in Christianity as the Christ consciousness. Um, in Buddhism, they call it, you know, consciousness, the eternal stream of consciousness. Uh, and this has been been a phenomenon that's been observed and described for thousands of [00:30:00] years. But I do believe that it is explainable through my EMS electromagnetic soul theory. Um, so I hope that basically

answers your question.

Kara Goodwin: Yes, it does. Thank you so much. And one of the things that I love so much about that is the explanation of how that works with our human chemical biological makeup. You also have a very fascinating story of. Presenting at a conference, I believe it was. And, and your best friend who had been deceased came through beyond the medium ship capabilities and this, because it's, it was captured with human made technology and by an atheist.

Um,

it's, it's just, I feel like that is such a great, um, segue it from what you're saying to, you know, because it's. With the electromagnetic soul, you know, that we all have [00:31:00] that, but the fact that this was picked up on by a human made technology, would you, would you care to share that story?

Mark Anthony: Certainly. Um, best friend, I write about him in both Evidence of Eternity and in the Afterlife Frequency, um, Billy. Um, we met when we were 11. Okay, we met and then we went through Jeter High High School, went to college together, and then after college I went to Law School, and he went to Asia. Okay. He was a linguistics genius and he was teaching Japanese executives in Tokyo conversational English, right? I remember he said, Mark, he goes, I'm only going to be here for a few years. You got to come over. And so I took a month off and I remember really ticked off all my law partners, but you know what?

Um, sometimes you got to do what you got to do in life. I took the time off. And we spent a month together, um, uh, going through Japan and then Southeast Asia. we'd go to these [00:32:00] Buddhist temples and I was always talking to the Buddhist monks and, you know, I was enjoyed, you know, hearing what they had to say. And from the time we were in high school, we had always had a debate. And even though we'd both been raised Catholic, he was an Irish Catholic. I was an Italian Catholic. He didn't believe in God. He was an atheist. He, he didn't like all the, you know, um, he, the doctrine, the dogma. but he'd always say to me, I don't get how you do the psychic thing.

I just don't understand that. And he said, you know, you give me these, he said, it makes me think I said, well, why, why don't you believe he goes, well, there's no technology. There's no technology that can prove this. And I said, well, you got to give it time. Well, I remember the one of the best days of my life. He and his fiance asked me to perform their wedding ceremony. I was, uh, it was here in Florida and I was a notary public. Um, so I had [00:33:00] the authority to marry people and it was at this beautiful hotel and it was outside on this, um, this deck overlooking the ocean. he met her in Japan. She was this beautiful, beautiful, um, Asian woman. Um, still is, uh, we, we keep in touch and that was everybody that I loved was there that day. My best friend and my soon to be new best friend, his wife, my parents, his parents, all of our friends and their parents. I mean, my fraternity brothers, my high school buddies. I mean, it was like, it was incredible. And in I in some way I kind of knew it's like it doesn't really get better than this And a couple years after that um Things were not going well for billy and i'm gonna respect his privacy But he he died by suicide And naturally I I [00:34:00] was absolutely devastated and about A year and a half maybe two after that my book never letting go my first book had come out And I was speaking at the Stanley Hotel at Estes, in Estes Park, uh, Colorado at a, um, paranormal conference.

And I had just spoken. And then I was on, uh, in the conference area and I was signing books for Never Letting Go. And my manager, Rocky, and she travels with me, she was walking around looking at all the paranormal investigation equipment because they were displaying all these infrared scanners and EVP, electric voice phenomenon, this thing known as the, the, the spirit box. And Rocky was walking by this guy named Chris who was just, um, displaying the spirit box. And all of a sudden she hears, get Mark. She stops, and, and Chris goes, Did that just say, and then it said it again, Get [00:35:00] Mark. And Chris goes, Do you think he means your Mark? Mark Anthony? All of a sudden I hear, Mark!

Mark! Get over here! Get over here! Now! Now! And I look up and I'm like, What's going on? And they're like, Now! And I run over to where they're at, and as I get up to the table, all of a sudden I hear, Dude! And I stop and I look at this thing. I look at Rocky and tears are streaming out of her eyes. And I hear love you, bro. And I go, I know that voice and Rocky knew Billy too. And she goes, Mark, that's, I, we both said Billy's voice. And, and so the, the paranormal investigator, he's freaking out, go, man, this is really, really rare. He goes, number one, it called for Mark by name. And number two, both of you can objectively. whose voice that is. And then it, and of course I, I mean, you know, I was, I was very emotionally overcome. I still, I remember having times to [00:36:00] tell the story. I get choked up and then it dawned on me, the atheist who said, who always questioned the afterlife. who said there was no technology to communicate with it or prove it. What did he select to get a message through to me but a piece of technology? And you know what's really, really cool, uh, Kara, is ghost, excuse me, the spirit box It was, um, developed by a gentleman, an electrical engineer, an absolute genius by the name of Gary Galka. And Gary and I, um, are going to be, uh, we've already filmed it, but we're going to be in an episode of an upcoming Discovery Channel show, it's going to be coming out later, um, later in 2024. And he invented the, the spirit box [00:37:00] because his, his teenage daughter died. And he was so devastated and he started working on this and he could, you know, pick up on, on her, her voice and start communicating. In fact, um, every paranormal investigator I know, um, uses the, the spirit box. And so when we were on a break from filming, uh, he said, Mark, do you want to see how this works?

And so, um, he's, he's tuning in and all of a sudden we hear a female voice. He goes, Oh my God, he goes, that's Mel. Her name was Melissa. That's my daughter. And then I heard a male voice and go, that's my dad. And then I heard my mom's voice and then his daughter's voice came back. And then I got a message for him from his daughter. And when I delivered it to him, he, the tears started streaming. He goes, that's, that has to be from her because nobody would know that. And it was so cool because. was using the [00:38:00] technology. I was using the bio technology, which is, which is my mediumship ability. And we were both getting messages. Like I heard from my parents and obviously his daughter, but I was able to objectively or, or, or through my ability verify that not only was it his daughter, but to deliver to him an extremely personal message more than one. and that's why I find that. We live in an era which is so exciting, um, skeptics and cynics will say that this is merely pseudoscience and we're jumping to conclusions and, you know, but there was a man by the name of Nikola Tesla who developed some tremendous technology, um, including AC current. Okay, there's a lot of things that we use on a daily basis that were the result of Nikola Tesla's genius. And the term [00:39:00] pseudoscience really may not have been around he died almost a century ago. But he said that one day a man will be able to take a device from his breast pocket and not only hear but see anyone anywhere on the planet. Hello? Cell

phones?

Kara Goodwin: Right.

Mark Anthony: And he was called Like fake science, pseudoscience, a quack. And I look at him in some ways, the way I look at Leonardo da Vinci, who was sketching designs for something that we now call a helicopter 500 years before we had the technology to build a helicopter. So just because the technology. has not currently been invented or it's still in its early and developing [00:40:00] stages doesn't mean we're not going to be able to develop something. And I do know that Dr. Gary Schwartz, who's head of the Soul Phone Project, um, is currently working on technology to do just that, to actually tune into the other

side.

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

Mark Anthony: the board of directors of the Soul Phone Project And Gary's a beloved friend and colleague and his wife, Rhonda is a medium as well. And it is such an honor to, to work with these geniuses that are, are, um, developing technology, which hopefully will once and for all the question that there is more beyond. Beyond physical death. I mean, there, there's a whole other existence beyond that and that we can

communicate with it.

Kara Goodwin: Right. Oh, that's, that's so fascinating. I didn't know about the soul phone. That's, [00:41:00] that'll be great. I love it.

Mark Anthony: it's, it's cool. I've been in the lab. I can't talk about it because I had to sign an NDA and

nondisclosure agreement,

Kara Goodwin: Right.

Mark Anthony: cool. I'll

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Mark Anthony: that I've seen some stuff like whoa. Yeah.

Kara Goodwin: too about in the afterlife frequency, you talk about the role, because you mentioned about skeptics and, I don't believe that you're really on a mission to necessarily change people's mind who aren't interested in going there, but of course, in your line of work, you're going to get people who maybe they're curious, but they're, you know, not, not fully on board.

Um, in the afterlife frequency, you talk about the importance of openness and there's, there is a pattern that some people have where they just get in a no. And everything that comes forth in a reading, for example, it's like, nope, nope, that doesn't make sense. Nope, nope, nope. And the effect that that has on you as a medium and the effect it has [00:42:00] on the reading itself.

I wonder if you can talk a little bit about the importance of staying open.

Mark Anthony: First off, I'll talk about in the context of a skeptic versus a cynic. People, I'm skeptical. I don't believe that. Well, that's not skepticism. That's cynicism. Okay. You're cynical. You're negative. And you're, you're close minded, you know, your brain's like that. A skeptic will say, well, I don't believe it, but I'm open to proof. Therein lies the difference and healthy skepticism. I mean, you know, I go around saying, I talk to dead people. Well, that's great. And all, Um, and the problem with mediumship, the history of mediumship, is that it's been fraught with fraud. Um, there have been fraudulent mediums, um, I've seen some demonstrations by people who claim to be physical mediums who say they're, you know, manifesting, um, things and they do these ridiculous voices and stuff and, and I, I [00:43:00] can tell you that it's clearly it's fraud. But for those of us who are legitimate in, and that's why I practice evidential mediumship because as a lawyer, I know the important importance of evidence. You know, you can't substantiate or prove a case without evidence. And as a medium, I mean, anyone could give you the four assumed dialogues, Kara, your grandmother's here.

She loves you. She brings you joy. She wants you to feel upliftment. Ooh, how deep is that? I mean, everybody's grandmother probably loves them, wants them to feel joy and upliftment. But when you start transmitting pieces of information that nobody could know, I was doing a reading yesterday for a woman her mother spirit came through and started talking about Louisiana, Louisiana, and she goes, okay, and something about her son, one of her sons. And then I saw, and I described it in my mind's eye, I saw. a [00:44:00] sign that said no swimming with a picture of a huge alligator coming out of the water. the woman says, Oh, dear God. And I said, What? She goes, Last week, my husband took my son to New Orleans, and they went on a bayou trip, and they're in his boat. And my son stuck his hand out over the water, and all of a sudden, out of the water, this alligator came and almost bit his arm.

Kara Goodwin: Oh my God.

Mark Anthony: Now.

Kara Goodwin: How many people does that happen to?

Mark Anthony: Exactly.

Kara Goodwin: Very few.

Mark Anthony: And, thank God it didn't. Okay. And, and also people, when you're in bayou and swamps in, in the South, please don't be sticking your hands, especially seeing these waters.

It's the water's very black 'cause of the tannic acid. Well, don't think alligators can't see through that

stuff. All right?

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Mark Anthony: and other things that are living there. Now, this was an indication that her. spirit. This [00:45:00] boy's grandmother was around him and aware of what was happening in his life. And so she was able to verify that because, you know, people say, Oh, that's a coincidence.

Really? So in every reading, I fling out Louisiana and a sign that says no swimming with the picture of an alligator on it. Really? Um, then something else happened about two weeks ago. This one cracks me up. Um, I was doing a reading for this woman and this female spirit came through and she couldn't identify her.

I was giving her the identification and I said, she keeps talking about ants, ants, ants, ants, ants. She goes, I'm not sure. And, and, and in my book, I talk about the no, no, no syndrome. When you keep saying no, you keep creating a negative energy barrier and spirits will back off. So it's better to say, I'm not sure.

Let me think about it. And she was good. She says, well, I'm not sure. Let me think about it. Just jot it down in your notes. She contacted me about a week later. And she said she wrote about the ants and she said when she was in college Her best friend in college went to france And when she [00:46:00] came back She said my my friend returned from france with a souvenir from me and she was so excited to give it to me It was chocolate covered ants And she said I was mortified and it turned out to be like a big thing Hey, give me his hands and she said and I didn't know this last week But I uh when I was I found out she had died recently You Whoa, so what was happening?

Her friend was coming through and brought up the ants, which was this huge thing between the

two of them. she precisely, precisely. so when people go into a reading and go, no, no, no, no, do that. It's better to say, I'm not sure. Let me think about it. I don't know just yet because the no, no, no creates a barrier. One more funny one. So, I was on a TV show. And when I'm on TV, I have to do [00:47:00]readings live, you know, all these other mediums, they, they record them ahead of time and edit it down to like, you know, 30 seconds and all this, but this woman's there I'm drawn to her and she stands up and her husband's sitting next to her and he's all bottled up and you know, got his hands crossed.

I could tell that she must've dragged him there. And the host of the show, you know, it's like, do readings. And, and I said, I'm getting a younger male who died. Feels like he could be, um, like a son. She goes, well, my son died I, and I was giving a number, a piece of evidence. And I said, now I'm getting cross, cross, I'm seeing a cross.

I'm hearing the word cross, cross. And she's staring at me, shaking her head. No. No, I go, this is really strong cross. I go, did he work for the red cross? I just see him cross. No, no, no. Well, on, on most TV talk shows, it's seven minute segments followed by four minutes of commercials and a seven minute segment.

And we're at the end of a segment. So those said, all right, we're going to [00:48:00] and then we'll come back with more with Mark Anthony. So we're on the four minutes while they're playing the commercials. And this lady standing there, staring at me and her husband says, well, our last name is cross. And I said, do you mean like your son's last name too?

And they both look at each other go, yeah, our son's last name was cross too. the host of the show and, uh, put her head in her hands. I heard her going, Oh God. So, so we come back on air and the host goes, so on the break, uh, Mark, you know, before the break, Mark was saying cross and they weren't sure. And then they realized on the commercial break that their last name is cross, like their son.

She goes, Mark, why do you go to somebody else?

Kara Goodwin: the pressure, I guess.

Mark Anthony: Well,

Kara Goodwin: TV.

Mark Anthony: know, I'm, I'm used to being on stage, um, uh, been on court hundreds, a thousand times, uh, you know, at least, [00:49:00] um, and I've been on TV a lot and it's still nerve wracking, you know, uh, you know, you, you learn how to control your nerves and get into your groove. And these people, in their defense, in their defense, had, had probably never been on TV. In front of television cameras before and they're there they are in a live audience TV cameras at least a million people watching and they're also dealing with the fact that their son had died So in their defense, you know, she was just terrified But it can be very difficult Uh for for mediums when you get people no, no, no, no, no And then it makes sense to them later one last story then we'll go on to Um, this happened like, I think about two weeks ago, I was doing a session for a woman and her grandfather came through and I'm seeing Disneyland in California. It's Disneyland, California, I'm getting Anaheim. Disneyland, California. [00:50:00] No. Are you sure? No. I go, this is really strong. No, no, no. I go, okay, uh, I guess she, uh, your grandfather won't let up on it. She goes, well, wait a second. My grandfather knew Walt Disney. They worked together and Walt Disney offered him a job.

I go to work with him in Anaheim. She goes, Oh yeah, why would he bring that up? And I go, whoa, whoa, whoa, let's not worry so far. Why he would bring that up. Okay. I don't fling out Disneyland in California and Anaheim. I mean, how many people's grandfathers Walt Disney and were offered a job

Kara Goodwin: Right.

Mark Anthony: got better because she goes, well, he turned down the job. And the grandfather's wife, her grandmother stepped in and said because he would have been double crossed. So

Kara Goodwin: that that came through in the reading.

Mark Anthony: came through in the [00:51:00] reading. And I'm in for anyone listening. That's part of the Disney corporation or Disney company or all that. Yeah. We have to be careful with that interpretation. The double cross could mean a lot of things.

It could have mean that maybe they just wouldn't have worked out together or something else could have happened. But the thing is the grandfather turned down the job at Disney and subsequently the family was always annoyed with him. Like, Oh, we could have been super rich, but it wasn't meant to be. And it would not have ever worked out properly. So spirit communication. spirits are not here to scare us, frighten us, harm us, or control us. Nothing spiritual is controlling. always pray God sent forth spirits for the highest of purposes to bring us messages of love, healing, and resolution. And in that context, the resolution was, Hey, can everybody lighten up on the grandfather and his legacy?

He [00:52:00] actually did do the right thing by not accepting that job. You know, way back

when.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. Oh, that's beautiful. I love that. Well, Mark, I want to be respectful of your time. And I I'm so grateful that you're here and you've meant you've given us little hints of, of things that you're working on and how you work with people, but can you spell out how people could find out more about the projects you're working on and to connect with you?

Mark Anthony: Certainly, um, please visit my website, which is afterlifefrequency. com. Just like my latest book, The Afterlife Frequency, I invite you to sign up for my newsletter. You will also find out on my website about how to order my books and to schedule a private session. I do light circle online events. Light circles are limited to six people each.

I got a couple coming up, um, usually every month and that way everyone's guaranteed a reading. [00:53:00] Also tune into the psychic and the doc. That's my weekly live stream show on the transformation network. 7 p. m. Eastern 4 p. m. Pacific and all times either side. And my cohost is Dr. Pat Basile. She's a world renowned behavioral psychologist. It's been the host of the Dr. Pat show for over 20 years and people call in. I'll do a reading and she will use her amazing gifts, um, to help people understand. what the message means and its full healing power. And you can, and also you can find out about subscribing to best holistic life magazine. I'm very honored to, to be one of their VIP executive contributors.

And I write articles every month, um, about spirituality and, and some of my adventures around the world, which are always kind of, uh, It's an honor for me to be able to share those. So please visit my website, afterlifefrequency. com. Cara, I want to thank you so much for having me on, and I look [00:54:00] forward to returning.

Kara Goodwin: Absolutely. It'd be my pleasure. Thank you so much.

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