336. The Healing Power of Unseen Energies - Philip Smith

 [00:00:00] welcome everybody. Welcome to the meditation conversation, the podcast to support your spiritual revolution. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin, and I'm so excited to be live streaming this episode with Philip Smith, author of walking through walls. With the conscious awakening network. So some of you are here with us live on the zoom.

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 Phillip Smith is an artist whose works are in the permanent collection of the Whitney Museum of American Art, the Dallas Museum of Art, the Detroit Institute of Art, among others. He is the author of the spellbinding book, Walking Through Walls, which is a profound memoir of his life with his decorator father, who realizes he has the power to talk to the dead, and heal the sick.

So welcome Philip. I am so excited to talk to you again today. It's always a pleasure because Kara, my experience is you are really putting out the good energy there and you are sort of wrapping people's soul in good information. So I think it's a very important thing to, to do the work you're doing. Oh, that means so much.

Thank you so much, [00:02:00] Phillip. And I know, you know, that I'm, and a lot of you who have joined today know that I'm a huge fan of your book, walking through walls and of your father's work. In case there's anyone listening, who's new to your story. Can you tell us a little bit about the premise of your book?

Sure. Um, my father was, uh, back in the sixties, uh, high society decorator. interior designer. He had an international clientele. He worked for the president of Cuba, president of Haiti, Walt Disney, um, Dean Martin. These are all names from very far ago. And, um, he was always interested in Eastern ideas. Um, imagined back in, let's say 1955, someone is pursuing yoga, meditation, macrobiotics.

uh, reincarnation, pyramidology. Those were things, there were no Barnes and Noble [00:03:00]bookstores back then with a metaphysical, um, book section. He had to order these books through esoteric bookshops in London. Um, and one day he was attending a lecture by this very famous medium called Arthur Ford that, uh, became very well known for channeling Houdini.

Just before Houdini died, he told his wife, I don't believe in channeling, I don't believe in seances, I don't believe in psychic occurrences, but I'm going to give you a secret code that's made up of letters, numbers, and words. It's gibberish to anybody else, but the right person who can contact me when I'm dead We'll be able to decipher it for you.

And you will know that I'm speaking to you from from the dead. Well, his widow offered, I think, a 10, 000 reward back in 1921 for anybody who could come in and decipher the code. And [00:04:00]everyone failed except for this man called Arthur Ford. Who became world famous from cracking this code, and he worked with movie stars, Gloria Swanson, he worked for the King of Greece, um, he would hold seances at Carnegie Hall, and one day he was lecturing in Miami in the, uh, mid 60s, and my father went there, and when he went there, a woman brought, said, come over here, and the place was packed, so my father thought, oh, She has the seat for me, but she didn't.

She said, I seen your aura, you're a healer and I have cancer. Can you put your hands on my shoulder and heal me? And my father, I don't know, I don't know what you're talking about, but he did it, and his hands started heating up, and, uh, he just left them there, and then when they started cooling down, he did it, and he walked away, she said, thank you, I'm healed.

And then another woman motioned him over, and again, no seat, but she had a different disease, [00:05:00] same thing. And then the third woman, uh, did that, and, When he left the, the, the meeting with Arthur Ford, he realized he was now a healer. It sort of just happened. And from then on, he devoted his life to, he quit working as a designer and gave up everything and sort of became a monk.

And our house turned into a kind of Lord's where people would come and, you know, get healed because back then in the 60s, there were no MRIs, there were no CAT scans, there were no heart transplants. So most diseases that were serious, you died from and he would help these people. That's basically the story.

And of course it evolves on from there. Oh, yes. Yes. Thank you. It, it's an incredible story. Um, and it's fascinating because you talk about there are no MRIs. There were no, uh, cat scans. It was like exploratory surgery was the diagnostic tool [00:06:00] used then, but he could actually see into the body, which was really amazing.

Um, you touch on some of his skills. It was like, he was a very. Um, a powerful healer, but in your book, you talk about all kinds of things. He could, he, he knew information. He would transcribe information that was given to him by spirits, like Arthur Ford, when he passed away. Um, He would write, just get all this information, just write it out sometimes about you as a teenager, as a child.

Um, but he would, um, he would do exorcisms. He would, um, just all kinds of things, moving the, changing the weather. And, um, sometimes getting hit off and kind of. Getting himself into trouble, like because of the parameters that were put up by the [00:07:00] authorities, um, including like the FDA and, uh, the police and things like that, where, uh, you, it was clear that spirits were coming in.

And for example, um, blocking Pope pictures, being able photographs, being able to be taken evidence, evidence, you know, quote unquote evidence against him. Um, The book is titled walking through walls and something I've never asked you before is, uh, do you know if he could walk through walls? No, I don't think, I don't think that he had skills with being able to dematerialize.

I think he could project spirit and the title comes from, uh, actually the opening chapter in the book, which is amazing. I love that chapter. I'm 14 years old and I'm coming home from a party. And, um, I see my father lived next door. My parents had been [00:08:00] separated and we had a guest house next door. So, um, I went and I knocked on the door to tell him I had come home and, um, it's like nine 30, 10 o'clock at night and, um, no one answers and I'm knocking and I'm knocking and this guy, this sort of creepy guy answers the door.

He, I, I call him lurch in the book. He And he just kind of opens the door and looks at me and I said, Hi, is my father home? And he said, well, he's on the seventh plane right now and he can't be disturbed. And he starts to close the door in my face. And then he says to me, you're your father's son. Haven't you learned to walk through walls yet?

As if I should be doing exactly what my father was doing. Um, and that's what it was like to grow up. As a kid seeing all these miracuLews events and [00:09:00] having my father just sitting at his desk talking out Lewd with no one in the room and he wasn't on the phone and, you know, realizing he's talking to, to dead people usually doctors to get diagnosis for people, but, um, It was all genuine.

Um, and he gave up a very comfortable life to basically help people. He never charged. He felt this was a gift and that he needed to share the gift. Um, he started to, as Kara said, he would talk to spirits usually every morning at around 4 a. m. He would sit down and start taking dictation and Over time, there were like 5, 000 messages, but it was like a correspondence school where they would teach him new ways of healing.

So I don't think it was necessarily him inventing new ways of healing, which he did, but it was [00:10:00] through the guidance of these, these, uh, uh, invisible beings where he would start to harness energy in new ways. Um, he had, I just found it the other day, actually. He had something, it's the one thing that he did that I never asked him about, there's a little, um, I call it a machine, but there's a little platform with copper coils and magnets, and he had these geometric drawings that he would, place on them.

They were numbered and they were symbolic. And I honestly don't know what they were, but he would change them depending on what, I guess, if he was healing. And I don't think these were directed toward people. These were larger events directed toward countries or as Kara said, the weather. And, um, I don't have them here.

I would, I would have shown you, [00:11:00] but, um, he was obviously manipulating some sort of. very powerful, very large scale energy that, um, was not someone coming to the house with cancer. It was, this was a much bigger deal. And maybe that's why he didn't tell me. And I'm starting to go through all his papers now to find the truth.

if there's any mention of this or his tape recordings, if there's any way I could find out what these things were, because they're mysterious and, um, but he was developing all these new forms of, of healing and harnessing energy, um, because most importantly, and this is something I really want to tell the listeners, he would say to people, what I can do, you can do.

And this, it's not that he was special or different. I think he just decided to do this. And my feeling [00:12:00] is that if we, we all have that powerful energy because we're all miraculous The fact that, and I said this in the last show we did, the fact that my heart beats 50 70 times a minute for my entire life and I don't have to plug it in like I do have to my computer or I don't have to change the lithium battery it and where does it get its energy it gets its energy because you know I had some oatmeal and a banana or I had some eggs or I had some carrots and somehow that food Which comes from the sun is magically transformed into energy that keeps my heart going and you know, I don't have to have 3d glasses.

I'm seeing in 3d all the time. So the fact that we let's start with who we are that we are miracuLews. Then why shouldn't we have miracuLews supposedly miracuLews abilities? We do. It's just a question of. Knowing it and using it. I think [00:13:00] that there are people, you know, when you're a kid, you don't know, you could be a great swimmer, you could be a great artist, or you could be a good doctor or, you know, that you have a mind for, you just don't know this until you start.

And then it reveals itself to you. And I think these energies are there for all of us. And I think the important thing is, as I would say about, uh, If you learn to swim, you're not necessarily going to be an Olympic swimmer, but you can learn to swim. And I think all of us will harness these energies differently, uh, and use them for different things, but they're there.

And I think that even if, when you go to bed at night, you go through a, 30 second checklist, you know, tomorrow I want to have a peaceful day and I want to improve people's lives or I want to accomplish this or, um, you know, I want my, my back to feel better, whatever it is. And you start directing [00:14:00] yourself and it's not like flipping the switch.

It takes a while for you to work through all the blockages that you have, but eventually that message does get through. And I've noticed, um, I've been on a sort of clearing mission lately and doing exactly what I'm telling you and, and, and letting the energy come in. And, you know, as a very simple thing to me is very evident.

When I've gone places and these right where I needed the parking lots, the parking spaces have appeared. And I always say thank you because The lot when I enter it looks really full and also magically right by the door there's a spot and if it happened two times okay you know that's coincidence if it happened five times maybe coincidence but it's happening now regularly so that's telling me [00:15:00] that okay that's a sign that I need to continue to let the energy in follow the energy and start using that energy which I do and that's something we can all do.

 I, I love that Phillip, because, um, It's, I love the reinforcement that, you know, it's easy to, to read your book and think like, wow, where's my Lew?

That's how I feel like, where, where can I find my Lew? Um, and I've had like listeners who have contacted me to say, do you have a Lew? Do you have somebody who's like him? And, uh, I'm sorry, everybody. I I'm still on the lookout, but yeah. But it's this choice that we have within our lives to get into alignment with our divine purpose and with, with divinity itself.

And I love that, like just taking 30 seconds in the day at the end of the day or the beginning of the day to [00:16:00] just remind ourselves, what is it that I, like, how could I be in my deepest alignment? Or if I don't know, What would my deepest alignment be? Then, then that can be the request, like, help me to know what I'm supposed to do.

And then rather than like reading lose, well, read this book, please do read this book. But rather than taking in that book and being like, wow, I could never be like Lew, you know, he's does so much and he's so gifted. It's, it's rather like, what are the, the steps that I'm taking. In this moment, in this day, that this day that's given to me to move myself in the direction of my highest alignment, because like you say, we're not all meant to be Lew, but we all do have our highest purpose, our highest timeline, the highest way that we could be giving our lives.

You're living our lives. And so that intentionality of continuing to be purposeful and allowing it to [00:17:00] happen day by day, and even moment by moment, you know, um, rather than just expecting, like either my life is going to be. Grand or it's not. And I'm either using my life purposefully or I'm not, you know, it's like step by step.

And then that's how our lives unfold, whether we're intentional about it or not. So, um, so thank you for that. Um, yeah, just that real quick, I I've noticed. Uh, I have a diverse range of friends, and I've noticed that people in a million years, if you sort of look at their profile, would never, ever, ever be interested in frequency and healing and synchronicity and energetics and through some, you know, casual conversations.

These people have Dug in deep. And so it's [00:18:00] there. It's really there for all of us. And I think that not to get frustrated. I mean, let's say I would be frustrated if suddenly I want to become a baseball player. And after, you know, three games I was doing Lewsy. Well, no, it's it's you just Keep going. And every day you look for those hands like the parking spaces that you're on the right track and the signs will appear and you just you acknowledge them.

And then I think just be aware that, you know, opening up the antenna, turning on the Internet in your head and, you know, plugging in your router so that you're you're getting the WiFi. And the information is going to come. Mm. That's beautiful. You know, one of the things that you mentioned in, when, at the very beginning was, I think, did you call it macrobiotics?

Yeah. That was a diet that he [00:19:00] was on, right? And I wanted to ask you a little bit about that because that was part of his initial change was he started having brown rice and I can't remember exactly what it was. Um, I'd love to know, did he, did he keep up with that throughout his life? Was that the diet that he came in and also what your thoughts are about the role that diet plays in spiritual growth?

Macrobiotics is, uh, I think it was developed by this guy Michio Kushi. Um, it's basically an Asian, a really Japanese form of diet. It's almost like traditional Japanese food. And back then it was radical. I mean, you couldn't even get soy sauce in the grocery store back then. That's, you know, uh, There weren't even fresh vegetables, everything was canned and, uh, it was a very, very different world.

It's unbelievable what the world is [00:20:00] today and the amount of options. Um, I think it was a kind of purification type of, uh, diet that he was on. Um, but he, he always ate very well. After that, he was largely vegetarian. I know. I don't recall him eating meat after a certain amount of time. Um, diet is it's critical.

Um, because, you know, as I was talking about our heart, our brain, our eyes. They're all somehow converting this energy from food that comes from the sun, but if the food is not pure, um, then, then this machinery, it's like putting poor quality gas into a car as opposed to high test. And I think that you don't want [00:21:00] the weight of physicality dragging you down when you're trying to elevate.

your spirit and your energy. Um, you know, our food in America is, is largely a tragedy because I have no doubt that the amount of, I mean, half the world seems to have cancer and it's from the fertilizer and the pesticides, which my father was talking about back in 1963. Um, and when you, I've started growing.

Some vegetables. And when you eat the vegetables that grow outside versus what you just can't get anything like that in the grocery store and you feel cleaner. And I think that cleaner is like you're running on high test and you're allowing then the spirit to come in. So yeah, diet's important, but I think that there, listen, I, when I was a kid, we would go see this, this woman, Sophie Bush, who was [00:22:00]an incredible, powerful medium.

She was amazing. And. I remember her, she was smoking, I'm not sure she drank, but you know, she was coughing and and she was real thin, which made me think possibly she drank, but um, she connected to spirit in a very powerful way. So there are times that people overcome that, but I think you want to provide the best, like if you're having guests for dinner, You want to clean the house, set a nice table and your body is the same way and your brain is the same way.

You want to clean the house and set a nice table for the energy and the information to come in. Yeah, that makes so much sense. So with that, when you were saying he was kind of doing this cleansing protocol, was it more like that macro diet was, He was really, um, steadfast about that in the beginning and then opened himself up to more types of food after that [00:23:00] period, or did he maintain this throughout his decades?

Or do you remember? No, I think he, I think that was the starting point of his. interest in diet because, and again, we're talking 1960. So that's, it's a long time ago. Um, uh, two generations ago, but I think that that there was no interest in diet in esoteric diets or clean eating or how food, uh, benefited the body.

And certainly doctors didn't know back then. They, uh, I think they got about. 30 minutes of nutritional training and in all of medical school. So it's, it's just a very different universe today. And we've begun to realize how important the maintenance of the body is and, uh, reducing the possibility of disease.

Cause once you're sick, you know, [00:24:00] energetically you're. dysfunctional and you're not going to be doing things for the highest good. Right. Yeah. Well there, you know, we touched on this in the, you know, earlier, but I'm fascinated by many of the stories in walking through walls. One of which is when you were, I think you just graduated from high school and you went on a trip to Europe.

And you, you know, this is back before we had smartphones and the internet. So it's kind of like you just go and you're, it's like, uh, my return date is this date and we'll catch up then. Um, but something very particular happened to you on this trip. And I wondered if you'd be willing to share the story with us.

I find it so powerful. Sure, and thanks for bringing that up it, you know, and you're right, because back then, I know a friend of mine [00:25:00] who was in Vietnam, which I guess is in the early 70s, he called home to his parents. And back then a three minute phone call from Vietnam was 750. Oh my gosh, Yeah, that there was Skype for, you know, three cents a minute or didn't exist.

So once I went off to Europe as a 17 year old, uh, with a friend, that was the, that was the end. What we would do is, um, we would send postcards and then American Express offices would receive mail for you. So if you were there on the right date and the letter happened to arrive, you got mail. So yeah, my parents had no connection with me at all.

And we, I had given my father my, our itinerary, um, and we were going to start in Paris. And then work our way through Europe. But the woman I was with, [00:26:00] she said, you know, I speak Spanish, I don't speak French. Why don't we go to Spain first? Sure, why not? You know, you're You're 17 years old. You don't think that your parents are following your itinerary.

It's like, let's go. Um, and we got there and we were staying in a pension and I think we had, or I had some really bad food and I got so sick, um, wildly sick, like I've never been in my life. I was delirious and sweating. And my friend went out to get a doctor. And, um, the doctor basically went like this and said, you know, it's not long basically.

And she's crying and I'm sweating. I'm delirious and I'm saying stupid stuff. And in the middle of the night, I just, kind of got up and I said, you know, where are we? What's going on here? And I was [00:27:00] more or less normal. And she said, Oh my God, the doctor said you were dying. And so we continued our trip and we were gone for, I think a couple months.

And when I got home, I called my father from the airport. I said, hi, we're home. And he said, Oh, I'm so sorry. What happened to you in Spain? I thought you were in Paris and I couldn't get to you quick enough. I said, what are you talking about? He said you got some sort of virus and he was naming it and he said it was actually pretty lethal.

Um, and the problem was, Your itinerary said you were in Paris and the spirits came and told me you were sick, but I couldn't find you. So I didn't know where to send the healing to. So I got out an atlas and he would use a pendulum and he was, you know, holding the pendulum over the every country in Europe until he got [00:28:00] a a hit, a positive read.

in Spain, and then he started looking around and he sort of found me in Madrid. So he knew where to send the energy. And, um, I think he lost, it took about an hour for him to find me, but then he started sending me healing and, um, I got better and I had completely forgotten about being that sick. I mean, cause we were on, it's my first time abroad and we were on vacation.

We were doing something new every day. It was great. But he was able to find me thousands of miles away. diagnose me and then treat me and heal me. Um, all without, uh, you know, any kind of EKG hooked up to me, no x ray, nothing, no Skype, not even knowing that you, yeah, not even knowing in earthly way. Yeah.

And if you think that sounds crazy and [00:29:00] wild, Which probably it does. The idea that you can have a little piece of plastic and you go like this, and there's no wires and all of a sudden you're talking to Osaka or you're talking to Marrakesh or you're talking to Rome and you can see pictures and you can send videos, this is the precursor of where we're going because it's the dematerialization of us moving into spirit.

and harnessing spirit and its energy and consciousness, which is somehow he knew to do 60 years ago, um, without a cell phone, without Skype, without anything. But I think that we are in a culture that is dematerializing. We once read books that had to be printed on paper and assembled, and now we can, you know, go to Amazon, download it, [00:30:00] and we're reading a book, And it's normal.

It's not normal. That's weird. You know, that's really weird stuff. That's like out of the Jetsons. It's futuristic, but that's where we're going. And eventually, you know, why should a piece of plastic have all that ability? And I don't, I'm more complicated and I'm better than this phone. We, we have that. And it's just, we have to just pay attention and, and you think about ancient cultures and the foods we eat or the herbs that we use, you know, chamomile to go to sleep or whatever.

How did they know? that chamomile would make us sleep or would help settle the stomach or ginger the stomach. My theory is that they were able to talk to the plants and the plants could talk to them and tell them. So all that information, all that energy [00:31:00] is there. It's just, we've somehow closed our ears.

Hmm. And our brain. Right? Yeah. Well, you know, speaking of weird that it's weird if you , we should be able to do so much with that little plastic phone. Um, you know, one of the recurring themes with the book is kind of you growing up with this remarkable father. Who I think anybody who reads this book is, um, you know, feels this longing.

I mean, as you were telling that story about him tuning into you while you were sick, I was getting all these chills and just like, come on, where is Lew? Where is my Lew? Um, but You know, you had this, this complicated kind of psychological, uh, balance with loving your father, clearly loving your father, but also kind of just wanting to be a [00:32:00] normal kid and to just have a sense of, of normalcy, even though he was doing these amazing things as you were growing up, it was kind of hard to have a, Uh, to step back and be like, Oh, it's okay that this is unusual.

You know, it's like, I just want to be normal. Um, and clearly you have a great respect and love for your father and you're much more into the type of things that he was into, you know, now. So I'm curious about that. evolution for you personally, like how, how did that work for you where you started to understand his work in a different way?

Yeah, it's, it's complicated because, you know, the culture at the time was the beginning of the hippies and Don't trust anybody over 30 and your parents are squares and my father wasn't a [00:33:00] square rectangle or a circle. He was basically an alien, a mandala. Yeah, that's actually an Allen. Um, so the culture Um, is telling me that my parents are, you know, weird and I should hang out with my, my, my friends.

And yet I, I did respect him. I thought he was, he was brilliant and very smart. But it was also embarrassing because there was nowhere in the culture that I could find any kind of reference point that, My father's a cool guy for what he's doing, or he's an interesting guy. It was in many ways, um, very difficult because, um, I can't go, I can't go to school, you know, in ninth grade.

And when they ask, what does your father do? [00:34:00] I can't say he waves his hands over people and cures cancer. I, that's not going to work. Um, they're going to call the cops on me. I mean, they would call the cops on my father for practicing medicine without a license. And so, yet I would meditate. I would, I would do yoga and you didn't, you couldn't get a podcast on yoga, you couldn't there were no, uh, tapes or CDs on yoga.

So I got this little stapled together handbook printed in brown paper from India. And I would teach myself yoga at 14, but I knew that what he, his interests were valuable and they were something that I needed to embrace. But, um, it took a while, uh, and later in life, [00:35:00] I didn't really talk about him when I moved to New York to become an artist.

I didn't tell people about my father because it was, you know, people would laugh. Um, he was a freak. Um, and one of the reasons I decided to write the book was I didn't want his work or his life to go unnoticed because everything that's out there today, the whole new age consciousness and industry.

Basically in largely came from him. Um, and I'm seeing a lot of things on social media now about frequency, and he has charts where he would chart the frequency of every organ in the body at optimal health and then in disease state. And the purpose was for you to then raise. the liver or the kidney [00:36:00] up to optimal to 110 vibration as opposed to being at 56 or he would chart the frequency of certain words.

Because, as you know, your words help you manifest things, and in many ways, the words you speak are very powerful, in some ways they're like spells, you're, you know, you don't have to say abracadabra, but you can say certain things about, you know, I'd like to, to plant this tree here, or I wish I had more fruit trees in the backyard.

And that starts to manifest it. So he would measure the frequency of words so that you were using words at the highest vibration. So all these ideas were, were from 60 years ago. Um, but as I got older, I knew what he did was very, very special. I still didn't talk about it because the culture, Even I would say 15 years [00:37:00] ago wasn't ready for it.

It was still cuckoo, but now it's, you know, my father were alive today. it would, it would be amazing because he would actually have people who want to study under him who wouldn't be afraid of the knowledge who, um, did want to learn from him and did want to spread the knowledge to improve their lives and other people's lives.

Um, when I talked to him a couple of years ago through this medium, um, he basically said, I said, you know, pop, everybody wants you to come back and do things for them. And he said, I'm, I'm too busy here. He says, I've got too much work to do here. I can't, I don't have time to come back. Um, but I will share something that's in the book.

I think it's on the website. So these messages. that he would do at four o'clock in the morning. There was a [00:38:00] Tibetan physician that he worked with that he channeled called Chander Sen. And I think Chander Sen focused on orthopedics. And my father noticed that when he was He had a small group of people he was teaching that if he was working with Chanderson, sometimes Chanderson would be helping someone else.

So he said to Chanderson, I don't understand. How is it that if you're working with me, you're taking care of one of my patients, you could be taking care of someone in Alabama or Saudi Arabia or. England. And so what Chanderson said, which I think is important on many levels, he said, if you look at the ocean and all that water, and then you take a cup and you scoop out some water, there's the ocean, [00:39:00] but also the oceans in here.

And then you take another cup and you pour this water into it. So you've got the ocean here. You've got the ocean over there and you've got the ocean here. And then you do that again. And. He said, so my consciousness is infinite. It can be anywhere as can yours. And we just need to be able to throw our consciousness or enlarge our consciousness and be somewhere else at the same time we're physically here.

Sorry, I'm putting out a lot of ideas, but you're, you're asking me how I began later. And I began to really practice a lot of what he had told me and I always apologized to him that I didn't. I didn't pay more attention when he was here, but I also feel that, um, he's, he's [00:40:00] here. And I want to say one other thing, and that is, um, uh, he had also, I think to Arthur Ford, he had asked the question.

Why is it that you, you're dead, and you can see me, but I can't see you, and you know what I'm doing, or you know what Philip's doing, but I can't see you. And Arthur said, well, you know, like those old cop shows, the black and white movies, where they would bring the criminal into the interrogation room, and the detective was there, said, we know you did it, and they're getting, trying to get him to confess.

And, uh, On the other side is a two way mirror, one way mirror, and the lieutenant is there watching the whole proceedings. He said, I'm like the lieutenant. He says, I'm just on the other side of the one way mirror. I'm there. I'm, I'm here, but I'm also there. You just can't see me because of the one way mirror.

And on the anniversary last year, my father's death, I always light a candle and talk to him. [00:41:00]So I said, it'd be nice if you came to visit me. And immediately he responded and said, I'm always with you. And I thought, okay, well, then it's on me. Not him. It's on me to pay attention and to acknowledge his presence and talk to him and be in conversation and ask his help.

And I say that to everybody who's listening. It's on us. To ask for the help because you have to invite it in and ask to be helped or ask for information or ask for direction. And for some people they'll call that prayer, but, but there are individuals, loved ones, family members that will be there to help you.

I love that. And that dovetails really easily, really well into Leah's question. And she asks if you've felt a healing from Lew since he passed away.

Not a healing, but [00:42:00] present. I haven't really needed something. I think that's the answer. But, um, if you go to the website, which is walkingthroughwallsthebook. com, you'll see a little drawing and it's my father's say it's like the nose and the eyes and there are points on the face. And then there's names like Dr.

Chan, Dr. William, you know, all these, and it's like, huh? But these were the points on his face that the spirits would sort of tickle him to let him know they were present. And I noticed a couple of years ago, and it was during winter, so there's no mosquitoes. Um, there would be something here. I thought it was a mosquito.

I kept going like this. And then I realized it was him. And I would then stop and say, Okay, I know you're here. What? What do you want to talk about? Or what do you want to tell me? [00:43:00] And that's what I'm telling to everybody who's listening today that to invite that energy in because there will be something, whether it's the parking spaces or someone tickling your ear, there will be something Thank you.

Triggering you to pay attention and don't ignore it. Take them. Maybe it's a false. The first one's false, but pay attention and just say, Okay, I'm listening. What do you want to tell me? And eventually, those that information is going to come through. I know this sounds delusional, but it's not. It's just, it's just learning another skill in another language.

That's all it is. And it's not alien. It's not spooky. It's not cuckoo. It's just another language. I love that. And it makes me think of, you know, I shared this with you. Was it last month or a few weeks ago? I can't remember. But, um, for those of you who are [00:44:00] in the healing arts, something that sort of, I guess we would say a download, it just kind of came to me, um, as a fact was that through Phillips.

art through his paintings. And there was one painting in particular and darn it, if I didn't go, I mean, I, I should have gone and looked to remind myself which one it is, but I there's like, I know there's a DNA strand in this piece of art, like a painted DNA strand. Um, but it was clear Lew is in this painting.

And if somebody Meditated opened eye, open eye meditation, and just let their gaze soften, let themselves be in a state of relaxation, a state of openness and acceptance. And literally just. Soft gaze with, with no expectation, not trying to make [00:45:00] something happen. Like so often we want to like, okay, I'm getting aligned and let me get in the right frequency and so forth.

But the painting has a frequency and Lew can match that frequency and he can work with somebody through like, and not that we're limited in any way. I think that's like a common theme and in what you've been talking about, Phillip. So I don't want to make anybody feel like they're limited to that because we can.

Everything's working through frequency. So if we can match lose frequency and trust that there's some grace in there. So he can also like help to meet us where we are. Um, but that seemed like a, uh, so again, it's not like a necessary thing, but it's like a pathway. It's an open pathway. If people are really like drawn to, I want to.

Connect with Lew, it felt like it could be a shortcut for people to like, look at this and, [00:46:00] and like kind of almost merge with the painting, because then we're really, you know, getting into really, it's just about vibration. So it's like the more that we can match the vibration of the work, Lew is in there is accessible in there.

It's like a, it's like a. Road that you can get on to meet him there. And so I have not done this. I will say I haven't like done this. It was just a, an understanding that I had. So I felt that I wanted to share that because I know that there are a lot of people who are really, really interested in the healing arts and would love to have access to Lew.

Um, so I don't know, putting that out there. Yeah. Well, there's there are two things. One is the idea that the painting has healing ability. You're absolutely correct. Because I think that's what art really was,[00:47:00] whether it was Buddha's painting or the Egyptians or the church, the idea was that this would spread grace in a way.

And when I was much younger and I was in Nepal, And I met these monks who were making paintings of Buddha. Uh, they look like kind of gift shop paintings of Buddha. They weren't like, they were just paintings of Buddha. They look generic, but they're different because they call them tankas and the idea is that the monks imbue a kind of spiritual quality in the painting so that the viewer can get a blessing, a healing insight, and I guess, I don't know, maybe I was 20 when, when I was there.

I thought. Why can't I do that? My father taught me to heal. I mean, and I'm interested in this stuff. Why can't I put that energy into the painting? And I, I think I did for many [00:48:00] years, but I would say the last three years of, of the paintings, it's like, it's just the atom bomb went off in the paintings and they're, they're very, very.

powerful. In fact, I think a lot of times someone was here recently in the studio looking and loved the work, but said, these are, these are too powerful to put in my home, you know, really, I understand that they're, they're, they're forceful. Um, but going back to accessing my father, I think you can, I've had so many people over the years say, you know, Doctors say to me, you know, I was doing this or that, and I felt Lew.

I don't know how they felt him, but I felt and he was helping me, um, and you can, you know, prayer is one form. I think it's very formal. You've got to sit down and say [00:49:00] something very specific. It's a prayer, and oftentimes prayer doesn't really come from The your heart or your needs. And I'm more, I like to just talk and say, okay, I need some help here.

Is there anybody here who can help me? And to just know that I'm pulling in my energy. It's not, I'm not thinking about, What I'm going to have for breakfast. I'm not thinking what's, you know, I've got to mail this letter or I've got to do this or the laundry or anything. It's just, you know what, I'm going to be as strong as I can and I'm going to pull my energy and, and I'm going to ask.

And, um, It doesn't always happen right away, but it does happen. At least in my case, it does happen. Um, and so I, I just, I'm saying the same thing over and over, but I want everybody to know they have this ability and I want people to start practicing it and [00:50:00] not be at effect of, of events happening to them.

I want them to take control of their energy and their life and start moving the pieces around the chessboard, because it's when people feel powerless that we end up in a bad place. Yes. Thank you. I love that. I just want to share, read what Patty said here. He says, my parents love, by the way, Patty is up at two.

He got up at two in the morning, uh, he's in, he's in Australia. Um, my parents left Sydney about 1950 to get away from the city smog and grow their own food. Food. He was a designing engineer who was keen on special diets and natural cures back in the fifties. So a lot of, uh, similarity there. And at times when stuck on how to design an item, he would go to sleep and a past over engineer he'd known would give him the answers, which sounds very similar.

You talked in our last, um, [00:51:00] interview about how you find it easiest to get your paint into the flow with your. Artwork when you've had a nap Yes. Yeah. Well, I think that first of all patty you were very lucky to have a father like that and um, I think that that's You know, those individuals are rare and their gifts, and he obviously shared that gift with you, and he, he knew, he knew very early on, and, um, I, our society is just so crass in a way, and just, you know, stupid, um, and people like your father, are, are the thought leaders and the pioneers, and it would be ideal if [00:52:00] everybody was like him.

And he had a lot to, to show. And I'm sure, um, if he's not here, that you can talk to him and ask him for ideas. You know, I was, um, I was working with this medium who was amazing. I've never, I've been around psychics and mediums my whole life. And this woman, unfortunately, she passed away recently. Uh, I've never met anybody like her where.

the way you're hearing me talk was the way that she would talk to spirit and she would talk to my father she would talk to my mother and other people and it was it was just amazing but um she was expensive and one day i said to her no offense [00:53:00] But these are my parents and I'm paying you to talk to my parents.

I said, shouldn't I be able to do that? She said, of course you should. So one of the ways, and I just want to pass this on, um, and I do do this, is, uh, she told me to just sit at a desk with a notebook and a pen, either maybe write the question down at the top of the page or just start writing whatever comes.

And because I have such bad penmanship, um, I just sit at the computer and I just close my eyes and I don't even look at what I'm typing until I'm done. These are perfect sentences. They're very articulate. They're well written, there's no typos, there's no, you know, misspellings, and, um, [00:54:00] it's something we can all do if we, if we want to do that.

Am I talking to myself? Yeah, maybe I'm talking to myself, but, uh, I don't think so, not with the stuff that I get. And, you know, when I wrote the book, uh, I wrote, I wrote a first draft, and I put it away, and I came back and I read it, and, I thought this doesn't make any sense. You are the worst writer. You don't even know how to make a sentence.

It just, I mean, it was jumping around. It just, it just wasn't coherent. And then I tried it again and it was still, it was just garbage. And one day I was sitting at the computer and I started looking up and I was seeing a movie and I was just writing down what I was seeing. And that's how I wrote the book.

So the book was actually, I don't know who was in the projection booth, but someone was [00:55:00]projecting the movie, and all I did was transcribe what I saw for those 300 pages, and, uh, I gotta say that when it went to the editor, um, they didn't do any line editing, they didn't do any corrections, it was just perfect.

Uh, so, thank you for saying my book. It's, it's not my book. Um, someone else did it for me, but they, I don't know who that, I assume it was my father, but the next book I'm working on, I'm going to give credit to my father. It's going to be both of us. Right. Oh, wow. Um, because that's, you know, that's what's gonna happen.

We're gonna work together. Well, yeah, and I, I know I shared this with you, I think it was last week, but I was saying there is just something about your book that beyond, you know The story of Lew and beyond your coming of age story, it's, there is [00:56:00] something in it. And I know that many people who've joined today have, um, read this book and I'd love to know if you agree, but there, like you could tell the story of Lew and it would be interesting, but the book is unput downable.

Like it is hard to step away from reading this book. And I've had so many. People reach out to me who have read it because of our episodes and they're like, in fact, um, somebody said, emailed me last week and said, you're in trouble because I can't put this book down and it's your fault because you recommended it and they were joking, but I am like, I know exactly how you feel.

I had to like tear myself away from page one, you know, when you were talking about the, you arrive at your, um, father's home and Lurch opens the door and he says, wait, why are you knocking on the door? You should be able to walk through walls. And I'm like, why should he be able to walk through [00:57:00] walls? Like I have to read more, you know?

So, um, there is something, uh, I remember a listener, Janae, uh, called it intoxicating. And I was like, yes, that is a brilliant, perfect word. Intoxicating. It's like, Just amazing. Um, that's great to know. Well, and I know that I, that people are like, Hey, a second book, tell us about this. Tell us about the next book and also other things that you're working on right now.

Yeah. Um, I'm struggling with this book because it's not, it's not a memoir. It, my father has been asking me, you know, I've, I've talked to him through various mediums. I'll tell you a story in a minute. Um, and Every, and this is, this is where, you know, spirit is, is real because I may speak [00:58:00] to a medium in Ohio.

I may speak to one in Miami. I may speak to one in New York or one in California. Every single session is my father would say, when are you going to sit down and write my book? He says, you need to get to work on this. So, um, I don't think all four of those people are talking to each other. Right. These are people that were randomly introduced to me and I spoke to one the other day and she said my father, she sees my father tapping on his watch like let's go.

Um, so this book is really, and I'm, I'm, I'm looking for how to frame it because I wanted, I, uh, what he wants me to do is write a handbook of his healing methods. But I'm concerned that that might be, it's like [00:59:00] getting a textbook on how to build a nuclear reactor. It's kind of going to be a little boring, I think.

So I'm trying to find a way, a vehicle in which to give this information so people can carry on the work or learn to do the work but also what else would, would be Uh, kind of captivating for them. So I've, I have had a lot of starts where I just start writing and think, okay, well, I'll weave this in, but I'm not there yet, but I'm, I'm going through the material and I'm, I'm, it's like Rubik's cube.

I'm stabbing it from all these different directions. And eventually it's going to, it's going to present itself, but I want, Yes, Tetris. I want people to be able to, I'm not going to say they're going to do what my father did. But I [01:00:00] think that if they incorporate these abilities or ideas in their daily life, I don't care who they are, if they're, you know, if they work at a hedge fund, or they're a doctor, or they they drive Uber, or they work at the dollar store, I think it's really about getting in touch with your divine self and your consciousness.

And there's a guy on Instagram, I don't know where it's in a Latin American country, And he posts once in a while, he's a garbage man. And he's always singing and he, he's on the back of a truck, he's singing and then he gets off and he runs, he does a somersault, picks up the garbage that was in the truck.

This is a garbage man. Anybody, every garbage man I've met is a real sourpuss. They hate their job, they hate their life. This guy is just joyful. And [01:01:00] I think that By turning on these energies, if we could become more joyful and realize the privilege of being alive and how incredible it is to be alive at any given time and how precious that it, not everybody gets to be alive.

Yes, there's a couple billion people on the planet, but think about all those souls out there that were never born. So it's, it's a big deal being alive. And so I'm hoping that the book in some way, yes, people will take the skills and, and do something special with them, or they'll just find their own self or their own spirit.

That's kind of the goal. The first book Walking Through Walls was really about just, you know, Telling my father's story so that people knew who he was, uh, how it's like, here's his work. [01:02:00] But, um, you know, there's a lot of people who it's got to be in a format that everybody will pick it up, even if you're not interested in these things.

And as you're reading through it, but Some of that will will seep into your life. Um, One of the things, my father was also into color therapy and color healing and he would project the energy of certain colors to people and I had read the books he read and one of the things that they talked about was something called sun water, that in the many, many years ago, before all our water went through underground pipes, it would go through brooks and streams, and it would be energized by the sun.

And ever since I was a kid, I would put out a clear Glass bottle of water for the day and let it be energized and a friend of mine came over one day and said, you [01:03:00] know, you left the water out. I said, No, I'm just leaving it for the sun. He's laughing. And, you know, I leave it for the day. I will tell you the water that's left in the sun.

tastes sweeter than the water that comes from the tap. So about a year later, he was on his bicycle riding around the neighborhood. And this woman had police glass bottles in the driveway, making sun water. And he stopped and he said, what, what is this? So all of a sudden, I wasn't so crazy, but the point is that maybe that's a story to go in the book and talk about sun water is to put it in context.

But I think that there are all these ways to make different decisions about our life, um, that I think will make a difference. Sorry, I didn't mean to do that. Um, yes, that's what I feel when you're talking about how to, um, make it not dry, you know, or not like a manual, is like the weaving of, The [01:04:00]personal stories that almost like the anecdotal, because that's what, you know, as you're reading, as I'm reading, walking through walls, it's there.

And I mentioned this when you were on last time, where it's, it's not an instruction manual, but you are able to glean information. About how to do things even through this memoir, and it's not a step by step. Um, so I have complete faith in you and Lew that you can take an instruction manual. It's like flipping the script, right?

Where it's like, instead of writing a memoir and putting some instruction, like weaving instruction into it, it's having an instruction manual. And weaving in the narrative that makes it relevant and like it puts context in it, you know? Um, yes, absolutely. Um, there was a story and [01:05:00] I, I, I, I lost, I lost it. I want to tell you about this, this medium and my father, but come back to me.

I, I, it's gone at the moment. It'll come back. Okay. Well, let me read a couple of the comments here, please. Um, Patty, in response to what you, you shared, he says, we, we didn't see it as a positive back then, but now I'm seeing it differently. And what Philip is saying is inspiring me to do what I could and should be doing.

So that's good. Oh, good. Oh, you know, that makes my day. That makes my year. It's, it's the most interesting thing about being alive is changing lives, changing our lives, changing someone else's lives, because we're not the same person we were yesterday. And we're not going to be the same person tomorrow.

And by. Becoming different people or really evolving our ourselves, because I'm certainly not the person I was 15 years ago. I think I am but I'm [01:06:00] unrecognizable, and I'm unrecognizable who I was 30 years ago. So the idea that Patty, you're going to follow your path. That's what your dad, your dad followed his path, and it probably was not very easy.

It never is. And you want to get to the point where you don't care what anybody thinks. You don't care what they say. It's, it's boring and uninteresting to listen to them try and drag you down. It's like, forget it. Um, I have a friend who I'm just so impressed with him. He was someone who, uh, probably in his early years partied very hard, ran around.

But I would say in the last five, ten years, he's become profoundly spiritual and [01:07:00] powerfully so. And I'm not saying he's sitting there meditating on, but he is recognizing the glory of the energy that surrounds us. And he's seeing patterns and things work, and he's, He's experimenting with really interesting new ways of agriculture and he is the last person on earth you think would be doing this.

So there's opportunity for all of us to become different versions, different versions of bigger people and make a difference. Well, Phil, what I'm thinking is that I should try to contact Ed and from what you've been saying, I've got some good clues as to what to do now. Uh, because I think, uh, I'm quite certain that he's got a lot to pass on now that he's passed on [01:08:00] years ago, and, um, it be, it could be helpful to me, he's probably up there saying, come on, wake up to yourself, and, and, and get up to my vibrations, and then we can communicate, because I'm, I'm quite certain there's, there's a lot more there, and so.

And he'd love to hear from you. Of course, he'd love it's like what took you so long to ask me to reach out to you. He's like been waiting for this. So, you just, when you're going to sleep, and it, uh, I promise, it probably won't happen right away, as I keep saying, but there are times that if I want to talk to my mom, and I said I need to talk to you, and it may take a week, but she'll, she'll come in a dream, and let me tell you something about dreams, there's two kinds of dreams, There's dreams that are [01:09:00]dreams.

They're kind of just like, I don't know, neurons firing. And then there are dreams that are communication. And the one way you know that it's, it's communication is, um, usually you wake up from it and you, you just remember the dream vividly. If it's a regular dream, you kind of remember it for a few minutes and then it, It's gone.

But these dreams that are real communication, you not only remember when you wake up, you remember them throughout the day, and sometimes you remember them years later. Those are authentic communications. They're crystal clear. They're unlike dreams that sometimes, you know, maybe it's like you're wearing a weak pair of glasses and it's not so clear.

These dreams are like 3D. So that's when you know that your dad is, is showing up. And, um, and, You can be specific [01:10:00] and ask questions, you know, what should I be doing with my life? Or I'm thinking of changing careers, or I'm thinking this, maybe I should move and just keep asking. And, you know, if you've never done it, maybe it's going to take a couple months, but I don't want you to doubt that it won't happen.

It will happen. It does. And they want to, they part of their job. Um, this is what they're getting paid for is to help us go to work in the morning is to help us. So you want to, you want something to do because otherwise they may be just hanging around. I definitely trust your words there because I've read enough about spirituality in the last four years that I, I, I readily believe that anything is possible from the other side.

Um, But I'm sort of working, trying to get to the stage of being able to make contact, but certainly my [01:11:00] father was, I didn't appreciate at the time, because he never really spoke about that sort of thing much at all, but he did, he was quite involved in dietary stuff and, and, and, um, special cures for things.

He was a very keen fan of honey and garlic. For curing for it was quite, it was like we had a bit of a different upbringing, but, um, it was, uh, you know, but I think, um, you, in a lot of ways, dad probably didn't communicate very well, but, um. And then at the same time he, he, he did try some communication because one time this engineer he used to communicate with advised him that a bridge that was being built in Melbourne, in the city of Melbourne, was not being done properly and dad apparently wrote a letter to the people making the bridge and said you've got to fix that [01:12:00]bridge.

They didn't and a few, shortly after 35 people died. Oh no. So what more evidence do you need? I mean, I mean, you just, you just, that is the story of the year. I mean, come on. Uh, your dad was pretty powerful. So you, you need to check in with him and get going on this. I think you're right now. I mean, I didn't know much of, I do remember dad talking about it a little bit at the time, but dad passed in.

1988. And, um, but since then, my sister knew a lot more about him at this, this engineer and that than I did. And I just had a new, a little bit, but she knew a lot more. And, and she, um, she and I've been talking and she's told me about some of these. Well, what actually used to happen and another. Oh, okay. Oh, wow.

And so, yeah, it's [01:13:00] becoming, you know, I'm quite, well, I'm quite keen to get in touch with him and. Yeah. I'd like to, really like to, I'm going to probably, you know, I do know a, a medium, uh, uh, well, I know a couple of mediums. So maybe through them, I can, I can, um, I can get them to bring him through. I just. If they're good, there's a lot of bad mediums out there and I've, I've met most of them.

But, um, uh, you know, listen, you try and you roll the dice with them and sometimes they're, they're excellent and they find the right medium. connection. Um, but, but you need to do it too. And you may not recognize how that information is coming in, but the information will come in. And, uh, maybe one day you'll find yourself writing something down.

Or you'll be going to the store and buying honey and garlic and you don't know why and you're putting [01:14:00] who knows, but it is there. And, and I listen, I have great hopes for your potential of communication with your father, because given this bridge story, he was obviously connected. And so there's no reason it's not in your genes as well.

And, uh, Uh, like I said, maybe he's just been waiting for you to say, uh, well, welcome son. What took you so long and let me help you. So I would just, and it doesn't have to be yes before you're going to bed, but I, I talked to dead people all day long. Um, you know, I don't, I don't, I don't need to go to a special temple or church.

I don't need a special ritual. I don't need any of that. Just, you know, I'm making breakfast or I'm going to the grocery store and it's like, you know, mom, I was thinking, dah, dah, dah, what do you think [01:15:00] about that? And just, you know, You got to accept that it's real. And I think that story you told me about that, that's unbelievable.

It shows you how valid this is and that your father was working with that engineer. Wow. Beautiful. But it's going to be very interesting. And you know, why not do it? What could be more interesting than talking to your dad? And finding out what he knew. I mean, that's, there, I don't care. There's no movie, no TV show, no album you could listen to.

There's no vacation you could take that would be more interesting than talking to your dad. Completely. I love that. Thank you for sharing that, Patty. That's fascinating. I love the parallel between the two of you. It's fascinating. Out of Heidi. That's like incredible. Yes. And I know we've got Joe here with his hand raised really quickly because I don't know how long she can stay on.

I know my friend Laura is on. Laura is the [01:16:00] reason that I ever even knew about your book. She has recommended it to so many people. It's been so meaningful for her. I know she's read it at least twice. Um, and a whole bunch of people have read it because Laura is so It's so passionate about it. So just while, while she's on, um, I just wanted to say hello to Laura and thank you for being here.

And so much for, for finding this book and for recommending it because it's been great there. We've got some smiley faces from Laura down there. Okay. Joe, you've got your hand raised. Okay. Hello. How are you guys? Thanks so much for being here. Absolutely.

Thank you. Oh, I can't spotlight you. Okay. So to go back kind of towards the beginning of what you were speaking of, Philip, um, and I'm curious what you think about, uh, transhumanism, any implant that goes into the human body and what it, [01:17:00] what it really means to be human. It seems like we're at this time now where we don't even know what we can do.

And we're faced with putting technology in our bodies. Any thoughts on that? Yeah. Um, well, that's it. It's a Yeah, it's a big one, bro. Yeah, it's complicated. Um, well, let's start at the beginning. I mean, the body itself is this miracuLews machine, um, that I don't, I don't know how these cells know how to make it.

an ear and look how they sculpted. And I don't know how they know how to sort of make all the little, uh, uh, vessels in my eye so that it gets enough blood so that it can see and mirror images. And I mean, who thought of this? I mean, this is pretty [01:18:00] amazing. Um, I think that the, the idea of kind of like the bionic person or something, my feeling is that It's, I go back to Thomas Jefferson, not Thomas Jefferson, Thomas Edison.

Where the heck did he get this idea for movies and capturing someone's voice on a piece of vinyl that you put a needle on and you could hear someone talk? That, I couldn't think of that. I don't know where that, that came from. So, I think that that information is out there and maybe it's, I don't know, maybe it's from, uh, other civilizations, maybe it's from dead people, maybe it's, um, energetically in the universe that is, is moving us along.

But I do think, uh, that [01:19:00] hopefully this idea of, uh, implanting things. Whether it's chips or anything are for the purpose of enhancing and expanding our humanity as opposed to controlling us. Um, I think we're, there's a lot of the population on earth who's Being controlled by various methods and what I am talking to Patty or anybody else.

I want everybody to really be a free soul and expand their spirit and not be controlled by media or thought or politics or other people. Um, I'm, I think I'm veering off from what you're asking. No, no, no, that's great. I mean, I'm, I'm trying to give you leeway to answer however you see fit. you know, and not keep asking you.

I mean, but as another example, a lot of the population just put an vaccine into them that we don't even know [01:20:00] what it is. And I just don't understand how what what that does to a human being. And, and what it's, what it's going to continue to do as we move forward. And, you know, as a creator being I'm with you, like a hundred percent with frequency and vibration and, uh, everything, everything is energy.

So resonance and vibration is super important. Um, And I'm also curious about the individual role in reality as we see it and as it's presented to us, just seems so strange. I don't know if that's really up your alley. Thanks, I appreciate it. Yeah, uh, I don't like to be both side ism. But I, in certain areas, I do see both sides.

The other thing that in your initial question, I wasn't [01:21:00] aware whether you were asking me about, and I don't know anything about this, whether we have alien DNA in us. My thought is that we're all aliens to begin with. I think I think we have alien DNA. I don't know where else the human human beings could have come from.

So I'm kind of more along the lines of human genome being messed with long, long ago to get us where we are. Hundreds of thousands of years ago, perhaps. I don't really know. Yeah, I think that listen, science is always evolving and and things that in the old days they gave they gave patients arsenic because it was good for them or they gave them, you know, they injected gold.

Because they thought that that was so science evolves. Um, I, and we learned from that. And I think the fact that we have [01:22:00] the longevity that we have to, I mean, the old days people died at 33. And, um, the longevity is because we've evolved our knowledge. Now I'm always tripped up personally, whether, It's us who are inventing these new ideas, or whether we're channeling and this information is being given to us over time.

Yeah, I mean, where do thoughts come from? It sounds to me like they come in from somewhere. Yeah, because All I am is a sack of skin and a bunch of chemicals. Yeah, a bag of water. Yeah. Water, which is why you should drink sun water. We're just weaving a tapestry here. I love it. I think, you know, as a kid, I, when I was young, I applied, I went to, they had a program for [01:23:00] artists to go on a space shuttle.

And I thought, Oh my God, I want to go up in space. And I don't want to go live on Mars. I actually like living on earth. I think earth is incredibly beautiful and magical. Um, and I don't want to go to another planet and, um, but that's me. And I think that We, we abuse each other. We abuse this planet. And I'm hoping that at some point we get to the point where, uh, we, we live kind of in harmony.

That's sounds really boring, but in balance with, with what, whatever gifts we've been given. I don't know who gave us our bodies and our minds, but someone did. And I'm. Um, I'm just curious, you know, science. Let me start over here. I live in [01:24:00] Miami and every January all over Miami, the mango trees. On a certain day, they just come out with their blossoms, like someone plugged all the mango trees in, or they got together at night, and they, they had a big meeting and said, Hey, let's get the mango blossoms out, it's January 16th, and then come June 5th or June 11th, boom, the mangoes are there.

But who, I mean, that's a lot of coding going on to make that work. And that's been going on hundreds of years and any mango tree that I, you know, my neighbor cuts a branch off and I stick in water and it grows roots. And I plan it's going to do that. That's I'm puzzled by that. I, I, you know, and I talked to scientists, I have.

a lot of scientists and medical friends and they'll give me this blah blah [01:25:00] blah explanation, but that doesn't do it for me. Something, something's going on here. That's pretty profound and magical. And I'm with you going back to this transhumanism. Um, we're, we're amazing. And, um, you know, I got teeth. I don't know who mixed up the chemistry in those two little cells that made my teeth and my ears and my fingers that move.

That's, that's been going for a long time. And someone figured this out and I don't know how this happened. I, I don't have the answer. I think that, I think the answer is going to come through people leading more energetic and spiritual lives. Um, are the aliens going to come? I don't know. I don't really care.

Um, because I'm I don't really need in my backyard. My thoughts on that are [01:26:00] is they're here, but we're frequency. So we only experience whatever limited range of frequency we have. So until I as an individual or you as an individual until your frequency resonates. with a broader spectrum in whatever vision, hearing tastes all of all of our senses.

You know, you're not going to experience that. So I think things are going on that the typical person that's just to throw something out there. is unaware of and has no concept of or not quite resonating with those frequencies. So, but I think it's, I think it's here already. That's, that's my thought. Back to your mango tree thing.

I believe consciousness Is everywhere in in just about everything. That's why I think consciousness is evolving and I think consciousness once we hit this [01:27:00] tipping point of something we're all going to Know not just there's a big difference between knowing and thinking. Um, and it's a difficult slope to go down these days But I think it's going to change And we're all going to know.

Yeah, I feel I do feel well, let me let me go back a little bit. I think your idea that our frequency isn't matching the other people, you know, where that's validated is the idea that there's a lot of colors out there that our eyes are not calibrated to seeing. There are sounds that our ears are not calibrated to hearing.

So it makes sense that we are not calibrated to see these other entities, whatever they are. And, but that they're there, those sounds are there, the spectrum is there, the light and the colors are [01:28:00] there. Um, and I do feel that All the, the really tragic events that are, that are, seem to be multiplying in the world in some way, as horrible as they are, I feel they're necessary because we're in the 21st century, and It's time.

We have to change. And I think that change is noisy and messy and dirty change never happens. Whisper jet clean. And I do feel we'll, we'll get through this change and we'll get onto the other side. But in the meantime, it's going to be, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That brings up an interesting, since you're that kind of pushes a button with me.

what each individual is experiencing right now, um, and how that, how our individual consciousness [01:29:00] works in the collective consciousness and what individuals are experiencing right now, um, and how that's going to evolve. Um, yeah, that's a, it's a big topic. I don't quite know how to put it into words yet, but I will, and I appreciate both of you taking the time to chat with me.

Thank you so much. Hopefully where we're going to go is a better place and not backwards because there's a lot of energy pulling us backwards. Um, and there's a lot of energy pulling us into being controlled. And I think that that's not part of the plan ultimately. And, you know, if you look at, Indian mythology, there's always light and dark fighting and 3d here.

Yeah. And if you look at the mythology, Hindu mythology, there are all these dark energies that are destroyers of the world, like she [01:30:00] Shiva, but the world's here and the world's magnificent. And it is, It's, it's breathtaking. I was in Norway last summer, and a friend said we should go on this boat trip through the fjords, which were, you go through these enormous, I mean, staggeringly high, I don't know, canyons that you go through on a boat.

And I said to my friend, you know, I'm so thankful that I'm human and alive to experience this, because it was. It was just awesome. I don't know any other word. I was just, I was crying looking at this, this magnificent sculpture that was living. And so the world's a pretty great place and we tend to ignore it.

We treat it like garbage, but hopefully we're, I, we [01:31:00] got to get there. We're, we just got to get there. Well, like the bigger question for me as an individual is what is my individual role in that? And I was just looking, listening to Greg Brayden the other night talking about this and I mean, is the solution as simple as just living my best self and loving and being a good kind person?

If I don't pay attention to things? Pay attention, give my energy to do I, can I just have a happy life? I mean, or are things going to go so ballistic in this ridicuLews presidential campaign year? I mean, what's going to come up this year? I don't know what's going on in the world. I don't know either and, uh, we'll get through it, but I think that yes, living your best life and you, I think so too.

You [01:32:00] lead by example. I, I'm a, I studied in the martial arts in a Japanese dojo for 25 years and I was taught whatever you do, you behave as if you're teaching because you don't know who's watching you and you don't know what effect you're going to have on those people. And, uh, one example. Carol, let me know if I'm just taking too much time, but, um, uh, I guess 20 years ago or something.

I was in New York and it was one of those like 10 degree nights. It was so cold and I had no food in the house. And so I went to the Chinese restaurant on the corner and I got too big. Containers of hot soup and there was this homeless guy who lived on the corner named Mr. Williams and I saw him and I took out of the bag and I gave him one of my containers of soup [01:33:00] and I, I started walking home.

I didn't think about it. It just, you know, I wasn't I was looking for brownie points. It was so cold. And this guy was going to sleep on the sidewalk that night. Um, this guy comes running up to me and he said, Oh man, that was so cool. What you just did. I would have never thought of that, but that was great.

What you just did. And, you know, I learned something and. I didn't know anybody was watching me. I didn't know I was going to influence this guy to maybe be more generous to the people around him. So yes, Joe, by leading your life. and, and, and being as happy as you can, uh, it will radiate and it will affect other people.

And I have one other story. I was in New York last week and I ran into someone I hadn't seen in 40 years. Um, and we chatted on the corner, he took my phone [01:34:00] number and he wanted to kind of reestablish friendship after all this time. And the first three texts, all he did was text me about, Oh, remember so and so well, they died of a heart attack.

Remember so and so blah, blah, blah. And it was like, I was getting a headache every time, like the phone lit up with one of them. And I wrote him back and I said, look, um, I tend to look forward, not backwards. And I. I'm really not interested in hearing. I, I know these people died. I'm really well aware of it, but we, if you want to have a friendship with me, we need to talk about something else.

So he, I thought, well, that's it. I'll never hear from him again. And he wrote back and he said, that's very good advice. I should be more positive. And I should, um, that, uh, so all I was doing was, Actually protecting myself selfishly. And so yes, living your life is in the best way you can. We'll set [01:35:00]examples.

I love those stories. And it, it also, you know, thank you, Joe, for sharing all of that. And, um, I think that your question too, goes back to kind of the beginning of this interview where it was like, you know, you take the book walking through walls and you, you are like, how can I be like Lew? And there's so much that he did and he lived, you know, he had so many skills and so many gifts and so much mastery, really.

And it can feel like, well, I'm so far away from that, you know, that is a pipe dream and I won't even bother, but coming back to that moment by moment, day by day, like, what can I do today? Even if, and it might not even be an action. I had last week where I went to visit somebody, um, who I hadn't seen for a while, who is having, going through a rough time.

And the, the whole idea was to help with some technical issue that they [01:36:00] were having, but just sitting with that person, I, a hundred percent understood that was the most important thing I was going to do that day. And it didn't matter what ever else was on my calendar. That was the most important thing.

And. And it all seemed very surface level. It wasn't like we got super deep and, you know, solve the world's problems, but it's kind of like, not necessarily feeling like, well, this is the thing that's going to project me into the next thing that's going to propel me on my mission. Because this step flows really logically into this next step.

That's going to help me learn this, you know, technique or whatever it is. It's like just being so Aligned with yourself that, you know, when you're answering a call, you know, or, or maybe you don't even know, and it's just happening because you are allowing it, but, you know, Philip, you talked about that kind of earlier in, in the, um, [01:37:00] Interview.

So I was just kind of, again, the tapestry, like coming back to things and having this being another. way to look at that, you know, because that's such a common thing of, of how do I know if I'm living my purpose and how do I know what the right steps are? So, and I, I, yeah, I agree with that. And you, you going to see your friend.

And maybe, maybe you didn't fix their technical problem, maybe you did, but just energetically, the intention of you giving yourself and your time is, is powerful and helpful. And I think with Joe, just if, you know, tightening up one's life and, um, I think it just makes a difference to people. Um, I've noticed that, you know, I, uh, I live in a house and, you know, [01:38:00] Some guy was here trying to fix the air conditioner.

He was here for 12 hours and, um, didn't speak English. I spoke to him in Spanish. And at the end of it, I gave him two bottles of wine. I said, it's, it's a weekend. Have a, have a, have a great evening and enjoy dinner with your wife. I mean, it was life changing that someone recognized him as a human being, not some guy, dirty guy who's going to come fix my air conditioning.

And I think that I didn't do it for any reason other than, geez, the guy's been here so long. And But I think with Joe and any of us. Patty, everybody, just consciously leading a life that, um, you're, you're aware of where you go. And the problem is 99 percent of people are not aware they're asleep. They don't realize they're slamming the door in your face or they're stepping on your toe or they're being rude or [01:39:00] anything.

And if you're an enlightened conscious person, you're very aware of how you're moving through the world and it's. It's a better way to go because to go through life sleepwalking and being conscious and aware is not always going to be easy because you're going to be sensitive and you're going to experience things that are painful.

But that's. part of life too. And I would, I wouldn't trade. There are people, you know, you see people like, for example, their parents die or something, and they're, you know, no big deal. I don't want their life. I don't want to not feel what it's like to lose another human being. I don't, I don't want, I don't want to be like them.

And I don't admire them. And I want to be like me. And I, I want to be You know, amazed when the sun comes up in the morning and I want to be, I was, it rained yesterday and I was [01:40:00] thinking, well, isn't that great. Someone's giving us some water because how, who, who invented rain. You know, this is a great invention.

I mean, my plants are going to be really happy. So, it's that level of joy and surprise and appreciation for the world. That. makes you appreciate other people too. And, and I don't know, it's all complicated, but it's not just, I think you hit it. lead your life. And, and, and if you lead your life with consciousness and, and consideration and humility, it's going to be really interesting.

It's going to be great. I love it. Thank you so much, Philip. Can you tell people how they can find your work, your, your artwork and your book? Sure. And I hope I didn't overstay my welcome because we talked for a long time, but it's been a blast. There was a lot to talk about. Um, [01:41:00] so the book is at Amazon.

It's called walking through walls. Um, it's in paperback. And or in the li hopefully in the library. Um, my, and then there's a website called Walking Through Walls, the book.com. And, uh, you can see some of my, my father's healing tools and his, um, dictation that he took from the spirits. And there's some newspaper articles about him.

And then my artwork. is at Philip Smith Art, and it's Philip with Monell, and it's pretty much 50 years of painting, but the newer paintings are there, and those really have a lot of, um, energy to them, um, and I'm working on some new commissions and a museum show now, which is very exciting, and so, uh, hopefully it brings good energy to [01:42:00] everyone who looks at it.

I know it will. Wonderful. Well, thank you again so much. Thank you everybody who has joined or is watching the recording. And, um, I look forward to the next, the next one. Thank you everybody so much for all this good work. It really, um, I think this is an important thing to do. So thank you. Oh, thank you so much.

It's such a pleasure. All right. Bye everybody. Bye.