321. Manifestation and Healing with the Infinity Wave - Hope Fitzgerald

Kara Goodwin: [00:00:00] Hello and welcome to the meditation conversation, the podcast to support your spiritual revolution. I'm your host, Kara Goodwin, and I can't wait for you to hear this episode with Hope Fitzgerald. She has a captivating story of how she's received a 10th dimensional tool she calls the infinity wave.

 She's experienced and witnessed amazing results in healing, relationships, manifestation, and even embodying more soul by using this remarkable tool.

Hope talks about how in 2010, after a lifetime of spiritual study, she received a series of wave visions representing an evolutionary push for the planet. The final one, a standing figure eight made of flowing water was called the infinity wave and 

represented a 10th dimensional energetic tool gifted by a loving universe to more quickly and easily [00:01:00] transform suffering into joy and freedom during tumultuous transitional times. And ever since, Hope has been dedicated to applying the Infinity Wave for the spiritual evolution of the individual, the community, and Earth.

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So welcome, hope. I'm so excited that you're here today.

Hope Fitzgerald: Thank you Kara so much. I'm really happy to be here and.

My pleasure. So I would love to just start by getting an understanding of your spiritual background, because you've got these amazing modalities. how did that come about for you? Well, it's, it's a combination of things. I, I was blessed with a mother who opened a lot of doors for me. We grew up in a conventional, situation. but she was always curious about psychics and she hid little books around and, didn't wanna, it wasn't kosher or [00:03:00] acceptable in those days to really be talking about it without being accused of being completely nuts. as a kid I was always very interested in spirituality and I asked my mother when I was 10 to please take me to every spiritual house in our town. I just was seeking something. I couldn't put my finger on it. And I went through, all these ceremonies and all the different kinds that we had, and I just still couldn't get at it. So I was raised in a Presbyterian church and when it came time to make my commitment to the church when I was 16, communicate class when it came to having to sign my name about the things that I believe, here's what the church believes, and you sign your name. I couldn't do it. I just couldn't do it.

Not because I knew definitively those things weren't true. It's more like it's still a question mark and I don't wanna sign my name to something that is a question. So from [00:04:00] there, I learned, transcendental meditation

and 

Kara Goodwin: As a teenager. 

Hope Fitzgerald: yes, as a junior in high school and. I had a past life regression.

Like all of these things started to happen. I've learned reflexology, I learned hands-on healing. 

Kara Goodwin: And what 

decade is this?

Hope Fitzgerald: This is in the seventies,

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

Hope Fitzgerald: mid seventies, early and mid seventies. I one day found a book about the community in Scotland called Fin Horn.

Kara Goodwin: Okay. 

Hope Fitzgerald: this, was a famous at the time, that had really grown through a series of magical events. And that is that this, I will, I'll tell the story very quickly. This couple, found themselves in Northern Scotland with their children living in a trailer. They had been hoteliers and whatever. I don't, I'll skip over all the details, but the woman, Eileen [00:05:00] Cady started hearing these voices telling her and telling her husband what to do, and it was to plant a garden. The thing is, they, their trailer park was literally on the beach. There was nothing but sand. Nothing would grow there except seagrass. But this voice guided them exactly what to do, how much seaweed to gather, and how much manure to gather, and how to layer it and all this stuff. And out of this garden was produced the most beautiful produce you can imagine. Sweet strawberries and huge melons and cabbages. And this is in Northern Scotland And that over time the garden grew. They kept telling him, enlarge the garden every year, enlarge the garden. Meanwhile, they're cramped in this little trailer. and it grew into a huge community and people were literally got called, they woke up one morning like, I have to go to Northern Scotland from South [00:06:00] Africa. From India, from the states, from all over the world, all ages, all stripes. And they would arrive there and then there were classes. Anyway, I learned about this place and I went, it had a powerful vortex of energy there. And that is where I I always say it popped my cork. I just, I got it. I got into something other. They taught us manifestation. And that was in 1976. And so I started using that, way back then. And so from there I studied many different philosophies, religions, just. Ways of being, learned. Reiki learned a whole bunch of different modalities. Just gathering, gathering, all side by side to what my career was at the time, which was, in theater. As time went on, I just continued to grow in that way. But I kept my regular lives, got married, my [00:07:00] children, et cetera, When my kids were little, I took a Feng shui class and the lady who taught the Feng show class came in one day with all these wire hangers and some wire cutters. She cut them into these L-shaped, and then she said, what we're gonna do is dowsing. And the direction was, tell your rods you want them to cross when they cross the water line. And I watched as every single person taking these little baby steps, their little wire hangers came across like this, right on the water main. I went, huh, that's pretty cool. 

And so I started dowsing very carefully and cautiously, literally in my closet. It was like,

Kara Goodwin: Yeah.

Hope Fitzgerald: and you ask silly things in the beginning like, is my hair, green or, sky purple or whatever? And you do little things just to test it out.

 And then I started us little things like, is today a better day [00:08:00] to go to the grocery store or tomorrow? 

So I just started to develop this dowsing thing on my own, in my own little silo, and I thought, surely nobody else is doing this. And I started to bring it into my feng shui work because I got hired to redo people's houses in order to sell them.

In those days, there was no such thing as there is now. It's called staging. That was a word I came up with when my realtor said, what should you call this? I said, I don't know. It's not how you live, it's how you stage. like you take a set up, put a set up, and you take a set down. So anyway, that started a whole career, but,

Kara Goodwin: So 

you're the mother of staging.

Hope Fitzgerald: you know how things happen.

They come in multiple places. This is the

Kara Goodwin: You just tapped into. 

Hope Fitzgerald: People in San Francisco will say they started it. I was in Dallas. I can say I started it in Dallas, I'm not gonna claim anything above that. I think I just tapped in at the right time. I was the right person with [00:09:00] right need of that job.

So but I started using the dowsing with my staging to make sure that I had balanced elements and. The proper wind and the proper metal and the, all of that. Anyway, fast forward, we moved to Connecticut 

 I had a very difficult year in 2010. I went to a sound healing workshop back to back with Tom Kenyon and Washington State. I came back and I was delightfully empty from this experience, and I had on the very last day of the very last practice, I had basically come so filled with gratitude that in my mind's eye I went down prostate on the floor and said, I am a willing vessel. Do with me what you will. It just sprang, fu me.

These are not words that I was. used to uttering it aimed from a deep place. Three days later, I'm walking across my living room and all of a sudden I see a [00:10:00] giant, turquoise beautiful blue wave coming at me. Slowly, giant wave. 

I'm like, 

Kara Goodwin: You see it like energetically.

Hope Fitzgerald: I do, but I'm saying it's a vision because I literally saw it.

Kara Goodwin: Wow. And you weren't used to, yeah. And you weren't used to seeing things like that. Like you knew it wasn't there, But it was there, 

and you're seeing it with your own eyes.

Hope Fitzgerald: And it stopped me in my tracks.

I'm like, and I fortunately had a friend there, dear friend at the time, and I said, something's happening. I'm seeing a giant wave. and there was almost like a byline, a little ticker tape that went across. And it said, this wave represents a push of evolution that is coming to the planet. If you learn to swim with it or surf it, it'll go much better than if you resist. when you stand at the wave and resist, you're gonna get knocked down. Then that giant wave turned on its [00:11:00] side and it was this big curling letter C, right?

Like you'd expect to see a surfer coming right through the tunnel. and in this one there was a byline, and it didn't make total sense to me at the time, but it was as the water pools away from the shore to deepen into the seabed to get its energy, to create the crest. So should you me, but really all of us. Leave all your learning on the shore and deepen into the earth and the wisdom keepers of the earth for your knowledge. And then this, curling wave into a standing figure eight native blue water. and that just hung out there in front of my. eye, for three days.

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

Hope Fitzgerald: I walked around and I was, just aware [00:12:00] that this thing was in front of me.

and, finally I sat down with my dowsing rods and I said, what the heck is this? And I was told it was called, it had a name, the Infiniti wave. The watery flow is, an energy in the watery flow is 10th dimensional love and compassion, extremely purified, high vibrational love and compassion. And it was sent to us As a tool to help us through what would be this upcoming push of evolution. Now, in late 2010, of course we had no idea what was coming. Here's a picture from my book of the Waves.

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

Hope Fitzgerald: Okay. I was told then that I was to start creating workshops on this in January of 2011. that I would do one weekend workshop a month for three [00:13:00] months, and that would constitute an entire workshop. and I said. No, I don't think so. Which is a foolish response because you can't say no to spirit very easily. And then they reminded me of, remember when you went presswood on the floor and you said you were a willing vessel? this is your, this is it. I did not wanna do this. I was. Flying under the radar in any of the classes I took in.

Anything I did, I was just quiet and taking it all in. But don't put me in the front of that room. 

 They were like, those days are over, honey.

And they put their feet, firmly in my butt, and off I went. So I had to, reserve a room, pay for it, put the word out, charge people. I was terrified. I was absolutely terrified because I didn't know what this was. And normally [00:14:00] I'm buttoned up in my teaching and I, have my ducks in a row and I I was being asked to fly blind, and give over entirely to this guidance walking hand in hand with this guidance. So in early January, I said, okay, I guess what I'll do is just start Dowsing and see if something comes through. 'cause I don't really know what this is and what I'm supposed to teach. And as soon as I did,this strange voice came through and this practice came in. and I remember standing to the side and almost watching the words drop down in my mind, 

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

Hope Fitzgerald: and, I'm watching them and I'm speaking them as they're dropping down and this deep, slow voice was speaking and that was one practice where we sat down two more times.

So I had three practices by the [00:15:00] time I got to the workshop at the end of the month. but I still didn't know what I was doing. something had come to mind when they said, this represents a push of evolution and I hearkened back to my days at, because they taught us a theory of evolution that was proposed by te de Famous the 19th century monk. Really, Renaissance man, archeologist, amazing human. and so I started to think about evolution, And I thought, I think this is more about being aware of our evolution. And so I said, really being it's conscious evolution. I look up conscious evolution. Barbara Marks Hubbard had that in, something she had put out, but it wasn't anything like what I was starting to play with. So I made a little company called the Wave Energy Center for Conscious [00:16:00] Evolution. That was where these workshops would then come out of. So I took the TE evolutionary, thinking, and I mixed it with a lot of the science and spirituality and where those convene, programs and people that I had been following for years.and a lot of information just started to pour into me. I did not trust or believe in channeling. I felt that it was always going to be filtered by the human energy field, and therefore there might be a nugget or two, but I, yeah, I'm skeptical. Then this was happening to me and I didn't know what to think of it. And it took, I had to readjust my thinking anyway, because I was also being guided in other ways other than just the practices dropping in. I literally felt like I was going crazy and this is what I looked back and I realized this is [00:17:00] what is necessary. If you're going to evolve, we, we have to leave our literal minds behind and enter a don't know mind. That is wide open and receptive and has some kind of tool for discerning truth from the other side.

Kara Goodwin: I love that. Yeah, I think that's a beautiful point because I think that's so common that people do. It's like, well, I've believed this my whole life, or this is. It really resonates, and it's then you're gonna, if you just wanna hold onto that, you're not gonna evolve to use, that, that term.

I'm really curious, like you mentioned, I can't remember if you mentioned it was 10th dimensional. This information, how did you tune into the, into that piece of information?

Hope Fitzgerald: Well, two ways. at that time, I was very engaged with a wonderful teacher and she [00:18:00] lives in multiple worlds, let's put it that way, and it. she, it's extremely accurate when her intuition, her abilities to tap into many dimensions. And it's hard to describe her actually. But when this started happening, of course I booked a session immediately, what the heck is going on here? And, and she said, oh yes.

This is a 10 dimensional field that you're working with. And I, I didn't know a, anything about the 10th dimensional field. She knew a lot about it and all the other fields and dimensions. and then I asked through my dowsing, is this accurate, is this 10th dimensional? And the only reason I mentioned it, because I'm not an expert on all the dimensions, I know a little bit about many of them because I've studied since then about them, but. I only mention it to say that is a very [00:19:00] high frequency and this energetic is from that frequency. And that makes a difference because when we use the Infiniti wave, we're introducing a very high frequency to a much denser frequency. And when we do that, change starts to happen. Things shift.

Kara Goodwin: Okay. Now 

that's an interesting point because that was my other. Question is, so what does that mean if we say this is a 10th dimensional thing? Because, different people have different frames of reference. So if they're even in a multi-dimensional mind yet, which not everybody is, but probably if they're drawn to this, they already are.

There are different, I hear people talk about like they, that it stops at the seventh, their understanding is like it goes to seven. Then there are people who are like, it goes to 12, then there are people it goes to 24. So do you have any level of information in [00:20:00] terms of that, or is it just kind of like, it doesn't really matter, it's just to signify that it is a high frequency.

Hope Fitzgerald: One of the things that started to happen right about at the beginning of this particular journey is that my hunger and curiosity I. For knowledge and for, what is it? What is it? let's figure it out. Oh, let's read another book. I was just like a thirsty sponge for all of that. that started to roll away as I was having direct experiences, and I realized that was just, those were just the workings of a hungry mind because we as humans love to label and categorize. Then the third step is concretize. I don't know if that's a real word, but I use it because it just sticks it into stone, right?

It sticks it into cement, and then we say, okay, I understand that. I'm gonna put that box right here. That's where that goes. And that's not case. We don't [00:21:00] know. So it doesn't matter to me how many dimensions. There are or what people think. It doesn't matter to me in the least. In fact, that's why I have not gone deeply into that whole realm. 'cause I don't wanna get lost in those weeds. What matters to me is that it's a high pure frequency

and that, and the proof is in the pudding. Is when we use it, does it shift things? Does it shift ourselves? If yes, great. That's all we need to know.

Kara Goodwin: I love it. and I appreciate that. And I've gotten, I'm at that point too, but I know that there are a lot of people who can't get out of their minds yet, and it's like, well, it doesn't make sense and not saying what you're talking about, but it just like you get slammed up against. Words, the limits of words, and 

it's like. And they can only take us so far. And so you wanna satisfy that intellectual side. And there's just also like kind of a [00:22:00] relaxation and a, just not being so attached to defining it in terms of the parameters of exactly what it may or may not be, which can change based on our level of understanding anyway, 

Hope Fitzgerald: yes, and so I developed a little. Metaphor for how to hang onto multiple ideas and keep the curiosity open, but not stick it in concrete. So I have an image of just holding onto a bunch of balloons that are floating overhead, and in those balloons are, here's one idea. Here's another idea. Here's another idea. Oh, those are all, cool ideas, and I'm just going to hang onto them like this, but they're not drawn down into my being until I have had an experience that makes it true for me.

Kara Goodwin: Mm. 

Yeah. 

Hope Fitzgerald: does is it unc clutters the mind of [00:23:00] beliefs that. We really can't be sure if they're true or you know,

Kara Goodwin: Yeah, I 

love it. 

Hope Fitzgerald: there aren't that many things we can say are absolutely true.

and it's really a handful and it's only through that direct experience that it becomes true for us.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. And I come against this a lot too because there are, people have their own experiences and then as we're like, especially when we're newer on the path, it's like, oh, this is what that's like. Like I was really into near death. Experiences for a long time before I really started to awaken.

You know, when I was, it was more of just like, oh, those stories are really interesting. But I would take them and I'd be like, this is what's going to happen when I die. And as I've had my own kind of experiences and evolution, I have not had a near-death experience, but my own kind of mystical, metaphysical experiences, it's like.

this universe is vast. It's so vast, and then we are all souls [00:24:00] within it coming from different places. We've had the access to different things. We have different gifts, we have different evolutionary paths. And so what, how does that fit into. Our death, you know what, and what we experience when we die.

that, that's just one example of how things can evolve and we can understand, there's a lot of space for uniqueness. I would love to talk more about the infinity wave and how it is used practically because it sounds like there's a combination of like insights and maybe Theory or philosophy that you were blessed with, that you transmit in terms of your workshops and things like that in your book. but then it sounds like there might be practices or more tangible things. So can you talk about how you work with the infinity wave?

Hope Fitzgerald: sure. Well, I, went into that first workshop in January, 2011, absolutely quaking in my boots and. put out this kind of hodgepodge of things and [00:25:00] I would talk about the infinity wave in my limited knowledge of it.

Still only had it for a month or so, and, but I said it's got this compassion and love in it, and let's play with it first in our bodies and then let's play with it between people. And let's see if it's a communication device. all of these things turned out to be accurate and each of the three first practices when I looked back, in fact, when I looked back after the nine, practices of three months, it was a step by step progression to take you to the next level of your spiritual evolution. You untether from time, you untether from 3D reality. you untether from gravity. You then explore here, there, and everywhere. And the, and those practices just guide you bit by bit and Taught us how to use the weight. I was learning at the [00:26:00] same time when we got to the end of that, three months. I saw every person in that first workshop had changed dramatically. people who were about to get divorced didn't get divorced. People who were looking for jobs all of a sudden got jobs. People who were struggling with a health issue got better. More importantly, every single person, it's like their faces got more light. they popped out more. I. They weren't back, they were forward and their joy quotient was up and they had sustained it for the whole three months. And that's what was interesting to me. I then repeated the workshop two more times, so by the end of September when I saw all these people, all of them sustained this joy. It wasn't just a weekend high, we've all done that. We all love that. There was something else going on [00:27:00] and finally I was like, okay, this is something real, I think. So we learned to, use the wave in our bodies. So for instance, it's a figure rate of flowing water. It can be any size

Kara Goodwin: And it's always like etheric or it's always like a, you conjure the image of it. It's, there's not like a physical item or,

Hope Fitzgerald: yes and no.

There, there is, it's imagination based

Kara Goodwin: Mm-Hmm.

Hope Fitzgerald: as we know. Thoughts are things. Thoughts change reality, right?

So when we apply, and there's something about the water too. There's a, there's something about that too, and I'll talk about that in a minute. When we apply the idea of this figure eight native flowing water, it's almost as if a switch gets flipped on and love and compassion at that high level starts to flow into the field of the person. [00:28:00] So we use it to calm the system. You can run it from your head, across your body, down under your toes and up. It's great for if you're lying in bed at night and you wanna go to sleep or you wake up in the middle of the night, wanna get back, you can run it at a trickle or you can run it as a, spring River if you really need to work it.

Like I've used it to shift my emotional state very, very quickly. I had an incident with my teenage son at one point there. Getting drawn into a big fat argument and, I could feel myself getting hotter and hotter and ugh. So I excused myself, went to my bedroom and I'm just trying to calm down and all also duh, you have the wave.

Let's try that. And where I was holding my anger was in my gut. So I just put the wave in my gut, in my mind. I just ran it Spring River like that. And as I was concentrating on running it. The most interesting [00:29:00] thing happened. A little movie screen popped up in my, at the same time in my consciousness and it was replaying the conversation we had just had.

And I was watching both of us having this conversation and I saw where I had contributed to, escalation.

Kara Goodwin: Hmm.

Hope Fitzgerald: And then I, the little movie showed me what. I could do to correct the situation, what I needed to say, what the exact words were, And then the movie screen showed me how ridiculous it was. And literally I started laughing. Meanwhile, this thing is running in my gut.

And I thought, okay, I probably had my eyes closed here for half an hour, and I opened my eyes. It was five minutes.

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

Hope Fitzgerald: minutes. I went from. Nine and a half on the scale of anger to laughing

Kara Goodwin: Hmm. Wow.

Hope Fitzgerald: I went out and I, amended things. But [00:30:00] that really taught me something that this is a very much a calming tool, but it's also a tool for flushing, cleansing, shifting a state of being. we use it a lot between two people, so it's water for a reason. As you well know. You are mostly water. I'm mostly water. And the water in our bodies, has varying states of coherence. If you're out on a busy street and you hear sirens and horns honking, caco sound, your water is literally going to become unstructured and disorganized, dis harmonized. If you just go and then you know, ring a crystal bowl or a bell or some tone, that's pure, your water will reorganize itself and come into Synchrony.

Come into [00:31:00] harmony. Now when we connect your watery field with my watery field, with the Infinity Way, now we have introduced this pure love and compassion to both our fields. So it has the effect of lifting the conversation to another level, definitely not only in 3D anymore, I'm not gonna say where we are, but we're. Up and out, and that's one of the real purposes of the wave, is to lift us up and out of 3D so we can have more perspective, so we can have direct contact with the intelligence of the above and the below and with one another. So I like to say when we are waving together, the water in me is being connected to the water in you with obviously the conversation is gonna be better.

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. 

Hope Fitzgerald: this experience,so many [00:32:00] times. I had a fun one. I take people, I'm trips around the world to powerful places and I about where I'm supposed to go and when I'm supposed to go. So this one year I was told to go to Ireland and Wales. We were in Wales and uncharacteristically in, late October. They had a 70 degree, totally sunny day. Nobody knew what to do with themselves. Everybody was out on their bikes, on their motorcycles, like out, and it was a Sunday even better. So we were, we had just done a beautiful practice in this fairy Glen, and we've decided to get our daily cup of tea. Pulled into this little roadside place and I was driving our group, I had a big van, and I was, I found a parking space, but I was very careful. all the roads are only this big there. And so here I am in this massive van, so I'm super careful and I see this parking spot.

It's only really built for the little cars, but I. [00:33:00] Slowly, slowly. And on the left side were all these vintage Harley Davidson bikes, I mean in pristine shape. And so I'm, I get in and the doors to the thing pop out when they slide back. So we were so tight that when we pop, when the door popped out, it hit something didn't know what. the next thing I know, we have this angry face in the door, this longhaired ponytail, Beed guy. Obviously it was his bike. I'm gonna charge you, you, you shouldn't be parking this car here, I'm gonna sue you. I'm like, he's just coming at us. we were so blessed out and so wavy, and we were just looking at him, and I. Oh, I'm terribly sorry. What happened? What did we hit when you hit my helmet When the door opened, I said, oh, is it [00:34:00] damaged? Well, yo, not really, but, and he was on and on. And the next thing we know, he's soft. He's laughing. he buys us some crumpets for our tea because those are the ones his mother gives to him like. did a 180 after being exposed to

Kara Goodwin: Wow.

Hope Fitzgerald: our state

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. 

Hope Fitzgerald: that you would not, it was just like

Kara Goodwin: Wow. 

Hope Fitzgerald: there are lots and lots of stories, but, it works. It

Kara Goodwin: Yeah. I know manifestation is a big part of it as well, and a lot of people are really interested in manifestation techniques and tools. Can you touch a little bit about how the wave, the infinity wave works with manifestation?

Hope Fitzgerald: Sure. it's not a, it's something I've sort of put together. I'll tell you what I learned at and then I'll tell you how I did this. at Fin Horn we were taught [00:35:00] to think of the thing you want as a boomerang. got your idea, you've got your boomerang, and you throw it out into the universe and say thank you, because the boomerang is coming back to you. Not sure exactly when, with certainty it will come back. I add a little piece to that. When I have my boomerang, I imagine myself in the situation that I am desiring in that imagination. Up come the emotions of joy, relief, gratitude, whatever it is for that situation. So I've got my idea, I've got the emotion, and then it's gratitude that gets sent out. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Now at Findhorn they taught us you only need to do it once the intelligence knows. So you don't have to come repeat. I don't know. I don't [00:36:00] know. the other thing is that with the waves, if you put yourself in a wave state, you are now in state of flow. When we are in a state of flow, we are much more able to handle all the changes that have been happening. All the crazy stuff that has been happening when we're in flow state, we, that's the lack of resistance that first image was talking about. part of being in flow is being receptive. when we are in a state of receptivity, then the chances of catching that boomerang when it comes back and understanding what it is, because it may come back in a different form than what we expect. This is where I have a little thing with intention because when we intend something, we're narrowing it down. This is what I want, this is how much money I want, this is how many, what kind of car I want, whatever. And that's fine, but let's leave the [00:37:00] spaciousness for the even better picture So it's more like, this is what I'd like. If there's something better, I'll take it

and I am in a receptive state

to receive it. 

Kara Goodwin: that's beautiful. Hope I could talk to you forever. I feel like I'm just talking to an old soul friend, that I've known for a long time. So this has just been really beautiful. Please tell everybody how they can find you and, get your book and learn from you.

Hope Fitzgerald: Oh, I'd be happy to. my website is www.spreadinfinitehope.com. 'cause it's not just my job, it's all our jobs. And I do free meditations on Monday nights. all are welcome. I provide a lot of free programming every month, interviews with fabulous people, all kinds of stuff. and my book, I'll show it again, is the [00:38:00] Infinity Way, mastering the Art of Love, compassion and Flow.

It's really a handbook for the Infinity Wave. I have another book I'm starting now, which is much more comprehensive. This is a great book for beginners and seasoned travelers as well, who wanna learn about the wave. But it's great for beginners 'cause I go over some basic concepts in very short form. so yeah, that's pretty much, I have a YouTube channel, 

Kara Goodwin: Which is. 

Hope Fitzgerald: It's spread in.

Kara Goodwin: Okay, wonderful. Good. 

Wonderful. thank you so much. What a beautiful discussion. I really appreciate you being here.

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