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Welcome back to the On Purpose Investor.
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I'm your host, Eric,
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And I'm Josh.
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And in today's episode, we're going to talk through automating your rental portfolio, the real asset in your business, and what tools are you using to ensure that you are running your business and it's not running you.
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That's all coming up next.
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So stay right here, in tune, locked in, ready to go.
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At the the On Purpose Investor
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Welcome to the On Purpose Investor.
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My name is Eric and this show is where intentionality meets investing in yourself and your finances.
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And I'm Josh and together we'll explore the strategies, insights, and stories combined with inspiration and motivation to help you live with purpose and make an impact.
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Now whether you're a seasoned investor or just getting started, join us each week as we dive deep into the world of intentional investing.
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Today.
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We are learning all about automation and leaning into what being a business owner and not a business operator looks like.
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So Josh, let's get right to it.
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Automation.
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We aren't talking about letting robots run our business or.
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Maybe we are.
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I don't know.
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But, what is automation and what tools are you using in your business, Josh?
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Look, so first off, automation, I thought, like I saw the movie Terminator and I was convinced that there was like a Skylab thing.
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floating above us and we're going to activate it and it's probably going to destroy us all.
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So that's at least that's what I thought automation was.
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And I would love to have a fleet of robots because I was telling you for, we logged on today that I've got this flip man.
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And I think for every one person on the planet, this property has six fleas.
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So I need some robot exterminators.
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Anyways, to throw that out there, but, I've got a lot of stuff that I'm starting in my automation or automation in my business, Eric.
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I know I use two different tools right now for my single family rentals.
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I am, I'm digging in on rent ready.
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I think it was you that talked to me about rent ready, Eric.
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And I love that tool.
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We can talk more about that later, I think, but I love rent ready.
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Also, I've got a rent by the room, by the week.
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And I'm currently using pad split though.
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I'm, I'm sampling around with some other tools to see how I can sample.
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Around with that as well.
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And we had an awesome deal maker Atlanta meeting where Chris came in and talked about some things and I took a lot of notes during that.
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Maybe we get into that stuff a little bit later, but I've got a long way to go.
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But what about you?
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You're seven years, five years ahead of me.
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What are some ways you're automating your stuff?
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Yeah, Josh, appreciate you asking.
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In our business, we have delved into automation pretty much since the right beginning of getting into investing in real estate.
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We started off with a couple of different Tenant management systems like rently.
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And there were some other platforms we use to make sure our tenants had an easy way to pay their rent.
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They had an easy way to submit maintenance tickets.
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They had a very, uncumbersome way to communicate their needs with us.
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But, even before that, we were starting to even automate what it was for people to apply for our properties.
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And we went through a lot of different companies We even had one where they would put a sign on the property that says text rent to this number.
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And then this company would pre screen them and get them to do like pictures with their ID in front of the property.
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And then it would give them a code and then go, they'd go toward the property.
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And if they loved it, they'd come back and then they would submit an application to us.
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So that was some of the ways, we've come a long way though, since the first couple of years we got started, because what it used to be was old school would put a sign in the yard would put a classified in the paper.
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We'd host an open house twice.
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Sometimes just one would get a perfect tenant in that first one.
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But at those open houses, people would fill out applications that leave us a check.
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We'd take those applications home.
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We would sift through them.
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We would call references.
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We would do all those things.
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And we quickly realized that, we were at three properties then.
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And every time a rental came available.
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It was about 16 to 20 hours of work in just screening tenants, and we had to find a better way to do that.
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And so we started implementing some pre screening tools through Rent Ready.
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We started using TransUnion Smart Move, which gives your Perspective tenant, a tenant score of how likely are they to pay their rent?
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How likely are they to skip rent?
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And it, it gives them, it gives you a full kind of look at what exactly has this person been doing for seven years and what does that mean they're going to start doing for you.
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And Josh was saying, we did have an Amazing dealmaker Atlanta meetup this past week that Chris Peisher, a great friend and mentor of mine out of middle Georgia came up and gave a presentation on what he specializes in and his program and his book are called the automated landlord, and he is just slap full of wisdom and knowledge.
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And, he's been there, done that and found a better way to do it.
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And just shared with us at dealmaker Atlanta.
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So yeah, let's get into a little bit more about this episode on why is it important for us landlords to start automating and why are people hesitant to automate, there are your old school mom and pop shops that.
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They collect rent in their mailbox or they go pick up cash or checks.
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They're doing paper applications.
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They're accepting calls on their personal phones.
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They're constantly at those properties.
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So let's dive into it, Josh.
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Yeah, look, how about this?
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Let's get this thing started.
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Can we just talk about what problems come from not automating?
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Like I'll get us started.
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Do you ever feel like you're like stuck in the minutia of daily task?
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Like I literally, I'm not making this up probably.
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What do you say?
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Two hours before we started recording the show, Eric shot me a text.
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He said, how's your day going?
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I'm like, I forget how I worded it, but it was like, honestly, I'm drowning.
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And it's, what am I actually doing, Eric?
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I was out cutting grass and that didn't seem like a big deal, but cutting grass when you have, enough properties to fill up the side of a Monopoly board.
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That's a lot of grass cutting.
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And we didn't even started talking about rent collection.
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You just mentioned screening tenants.
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If you're not careful, it becomes hours and hours of extra work.
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And one of the things that I always like to talk about is I didn't get into this profession for money for me personally, man, I'm here for time.
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And if I'm not careful, dude, I just, I'm losing time.
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Absolutely.
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And that's one thing that here at the on purpose investor, we want you to be.
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On purpose.
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We want you to be intentional on how you're building your business.
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And I promise you, it's much easier to turn a canoe around in the water than it is a cruise ship.
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So before your business gets to the size of a cruise ship, use the nimbility, the nimbleness the nimbility.
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Did I just make up a word?
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I don't know.
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We're going to go with it.
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I like it.
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Use the Nim-Bim-Bib-Ly of your canoe.
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You can quickly turn it.
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You can use a an automation tool for your couple of properties.
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And if you like it, keep it.
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If you don't find something new, but start looking through the different, features that these different tools offer and figure out what works for you, just because Josh and I use something or someone else tells you to use something, it may not be right for you.
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There's a lot of people that I know that use rent ready.
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There's a lot of people I know that use building them.
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A lot of people I know that still use rently.
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There are so many tools out there that you can use to help automate and streamline your business.
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You just have to figure things out.
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And I would really encourage you to do it when you're a canoe size bid business and not a cruise ship.
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What other problems are coming out of not having automation?
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You don't have the bandwidth to deal with more important tasks in your business that are going to create a snowball for your business.
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When you're worried about collecting rent checks, when you're worried about following up with late rents.
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When you're worried about, did the plumber get the call from the tenant to go fix the leak under the sink?
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I promise you when your head's deep, when you're knee deep, and you're buried in that stuff, you're not gonna have the bandwidth to answer that phone call from someone, which I got tonight, a phone call from a friend that says, Hey, I have a great deal.
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I just need some help taking it down.
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Can you help me negotiate this deal?
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I promise you, if I was buried in the minutia and the monotonous tasks of being a landlord, I would not have the bandwidth to answer that phone call.
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Let alone have the followup ability.
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To go out there and make deals happen.
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That's one of the biggest things I think that not having automation, like it kills your ability to snowball.
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Yeah.
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You touched on it.
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It's almost like a theme of without automation, or at least when you get into the business, a lot of people are just trying to generate more money.
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But what automation does is it creates time.
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I have this portfolio.
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And my, the greatest asset that I have, which by the way, is not the house.
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Chris talked about that.
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My asset is an amazing tenant.
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My house is just, I want to create a great property that attracts the right tenant.
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But if I'm not careful, I create a cycle or maybe, there's money flowing in, but I have no time because I, it's almost like you leave one job just to get to another job.
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And time is more valuable than money.
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And automation is what we can do to create.
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That time, because if we're not careful, the time that we do have becomes very cluttered.
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I like to think of it like this personally.
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And I, and again, I'm just getting started in all this, but as I automate things, it provides clarity to the madness.
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Clarity to the madness.
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For example, I was on a rookie deal breakdown call this past week.
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And I was talking about my first deal that I broke down and Eric, it was awful.
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It was great.
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By the way, I learned so much this property cash flows, but I did so many things the wrong way.
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I had subs coming in, I didn't have anybody overseeing the whole thing.
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And then I didn't know that you had to do an order of process.
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So I hadn't even fixed the beams in the crawl space before I put brand new floors across the top.
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It's so bad.
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And then I couldn't level out the floors.
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And I called you if, I don't know if you remember this phone call.
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And I'm like,
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Oh, I do.
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I remember.
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What do I do?
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Do I cut this new floor out?
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And of course you taught me about G.E.T.M.O.
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And we could do a whole podcast on G.E.T.M.O., but I've learned in the renovation process that I have to have an order of operations and that brings clarity to the madness.
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If I think of automation for that, then what automation is it is the order of operations for my brain that can provide clarity to all the tasks.
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I don't have to take up rent.
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I don't have to run down to the police station to get criminal background checks.
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I'm dang sure not important enough to call the credit Bureau, but I can use apps and tools that do all of those things for me and I can And then I can get back to doing what I do best, which is meet and talk to people.
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Yeah.
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And that kind of rolls right into the next subject.
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And that is, why are people, even us.
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Why are we afraid to automate?
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And one thing that, I didn't even list down in our notes is that people are afraid to spend the money to automate.
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And that's like this,
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me, man.
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it's a real big issue.
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Because if you are paying for your automation, you're doing it wrong.
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And what I'm saying is if you're paying for all the tools that help you screen tenants, There's a, probably a good chance that you're not charging an application fee and people can be on both sides of this fence on, do you charge application fees, but let me tell you, when you screen a tenant to get all the way to the finish line and move into your property.
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You want to have invested so much time and resources into it that you know that they're going to take care of your, very expensive property.
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And so what do I mean by getting them to pay for it?
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Will you charge an application fee whether they are accepted or not?
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Be hyper clear.
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On your listing on what is accepted and what is not that way they can never say you maybe pay this application fee, I didn't see anywhere in there that you don't accept people with a lower than a 550 credit score, or that you don't accept felons or that you are not using this property for section eight.
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I would have never applied if I had known that be hyper clear in your listing.
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And even in your automated messages that go out, put all of those specifications in there.
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And say, reply, yes, if you've read all of this and you meet all of the minimum criteria, and at that point, then it sends them an application link to complete online.
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But, there, there are so many landlords out there that are afraid to spend, sometimes even 100 a year on a tool that will, Far surpass, earn them more than a hundred dollars a year.
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So that, that's like the first thing.
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And then just quickly into the second thing, the people, our landlords out there, we're old school, we're cheap.
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We like to, maximize our profit,
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Eric.
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We're not cheap.
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We're thrifty.
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But even more so than that.
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And more than being a great deal maker, more than being thrifty or cheap is that we are perfectionist by nature.
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We want our properties to be great.
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We want our tenants to be great.
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We want the work done, our houses to be great.
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We want everything about everything we do to be great.
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And when you turn it over to some computer, You're letting go, you're letting go of some type of control.
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And, ultimately landlords in general want to have control.
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The most important control that you need to maintain no matter what is control of the property.
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Now, the use of that property, you can, and you want to maintain control of overall use of that property, but filling the property, maintaining the property, keeping the tenants in there and keeping them happy.
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You don't need to have a hundred percent control of that when you can trust on a tool in a system that has been built to be great that you're going to pay for, you can trust on that.
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And I've five years into using RentReady and I couldn't be happier because of, and promise you this episode is not sponsored by RentReady or anything like that, but it's just one of the best tools that we use in our business and it really helps us.
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Yeah.
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And to go along to look, if I were honest, technology intimidates me just a little bit, Eric.
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As a teacher, sometimes I would have to take my cell phone when I couldn't figure out one of these dang apps and then hand it to a kid in my class and go, can you show me?
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I didn't know that you could hit the FaceTime button while you're already on the call and come to find out it was like a running joke because my cheek would hit this FaceTime button that there just be people seeing the side of my face.
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And I would have no idea that was even going on because technology alludes me and it's intimidating because it's hard For example, there's chat GPT.
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I was against that for the longest time in my business because it's, it intimidated me.
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Cause I would see all these ads about all these prompts that you have to know what prompt to ask it.
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And I'm like, I don't have time for all that.
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But here is what I have learned just in the last week with the, did you know, Eric, With the paid version of chat GPT.
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And if you're a rookie investor out there who doesn't have a lot of experience at this is a skill that you can do to, you can go put this episode into action right now with the paid version of chat GPT, you can upload a home inspection report on a property, and then you can ask chat GPT to analyze that entire.
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property inspection for you, put the things in order that need to be done in order, assign an estimated cost based on a state value, and then prepare the work for your GC.
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It will do all that for you, and it can do it all in less than five minutes.
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That is an incredibly useful tool and an incredibly useful tip and I'm taking that one.
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And full disclosure, I just learned about that in the last 48 hours, and I'm like, I've been doing this wrong the entire time.
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And that's just one example of what one singular tool can do.
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Can I give you one more thing ChatGPT can do while we're on this, Eric?
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Jeez, absolutely.
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Eric, do you role play with anyone?
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Like when you're trying to get on the phone, maybe you've got a off market deal and you're negotiating.
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Have you ever done role play calls or
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I have spoken to my mirror more times than I think I've spoken to you.
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So check this out.
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You can get on the, again, paid version of chat GPT.
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You can go, Hey, chat GPT.
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I am a real estate investor.
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I want you to set up a scenario where I am Josh, the real estate investor, and you are.
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John, the off market person who I am cold calling because you have a house that has fallen on hard times because you have a family member that passed away and I am trying to get you to sell me the house.
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If I can convince you, you must sell me the house, but don't let it be easy.
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The scenario will start when I tell you to go.
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And when you do that, you then using the talk feature can literally role play out with chat, GPT, making that call.
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And you can do it.
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You and I, this is a podcast.
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You and I could do that together and see which one of us can get it across the finish line.
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The fastest.
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That, that is unworldly,
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Yes.
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definitely a great tool and you're seeing this type of, technology come into a lot of things.
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I was working on a presentation a couple of weeks ago and I was working on it in PowerPoint.
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And when you rehearse on PowerPoint and you ask it to grade you, It will record everything you do and say, and then it will give you a grade on your pacing.
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It'll give you a grade on how many times you set a filler word.
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It will really call you out.
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Technology is something we should embrace, but it's something we should embrace with caution because you don't want to allow technology to run a hundred percent of what you do.
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There is a personal aspect that you need to maintain.
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You need to always be the one at the very end of your screening process to, to have that, lease up call with where you're talking through the lease and you're talking through your expectations and you're getting to know them just a little bit more to double check everything that was automated before you are now confirming all the things that were automated.