Awaken Your Inner Awesomeness - Tools for Spiritual Enlightenment

Melissa Oatman

Will: [00:00:00] Karen, how long has it been since you've been kinda looking into this. It's been a while. It's been a little bit, right? Yeah. Yeah. Me too. Now, when you first ventured into this world, the world of metaphysics and spirituality, was there like overwhelming for you?

Karen: Well, I, it wasn't that it was over overwhelming, but it, it was surprising how many different modalities and it.

Like they there keep being more. Yeah. Which that's really well said. There keep

Will: being more. Yes. I, I that's one of the things I love about you

Karen: is exponential,

Will: exponential there. how eloquently you put things. Yes. But really the, the vast amount of information out there can be unbelievably daunting. That's true.

And we've also talked about how sadly there are a lot of people out there that maybe don't have your best interest in mind. Mm-hmm . So when you find a voice out there that really resonates with. That offers kind guidance and coaching that helps you encourages you, shows you that you're not alone.

you wanna shout about it from the rooftops? Absolutely. Well, that's what this show is all about today.

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Will: Welcome to the skeptic meta physicians I'm will and I'm Karen and on today's show, we have a special treat for you. I've been listening to another show. Called awakening your inner awesomeness for a while.

Now this is a show about spirituality. That's dedicated to helping people improve their lives in all kinds of ways and not just meta, physically. And we are lucky to have been able to coerce the host of that show to come on ours and help us understand what the heck we're doing wrong. okay. No, she, she graciously offered to come on the show to chat about the lessons we all need to learn [00:02:00] about in life.

So we're thrilled to welcome Melissa Oatman to the show, Melissa. Thanks so much for coming.

Melissa: Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to be.

Will: Like I mentioned, you have this wonderful podcast that I've been listening to for a while, and you put a lot of effort into every episode. And I know that you put out a lot of content. So I guess probably the best way to begin our conversation is to ask you what prompted you to get into this space in the first.

Melissa: That's a really good question. So for me, it started when I went through what I like to call a dark night of the soul. I went through my own spiritual awakening. I was, this was about four years ago. I was in my early forties and divorced with twins who were in high school and had a failed relationship.

And I had come from a toxic and abusive marriage that I'd gotten out of when my twins were two year old. and I just felt like I kept doing the same thing [00:03:00] over and over again. Like I was on a hamster wheel living the same day over and over again. I thought that this is not exciting. There has to be more to life than just this.

Why do I keep picking the same kind of men? What am I doing wrong? Like I'm doing something wrong. So I started searching for answers and that's really what led me to all of this. My searching for answers led me to listening to different podcasts about spirituality because. I just started questioning everything.

Like, what is the point of life? What is the meaning of life? Why are we here? You know, how can I make this better? Because it just really, there's a lot of things that I struggle with and I wanna know how to make it easier. So through that process, I ended up following some spiritual teachers reading many good books, and somebody said to me, I went to a medium one time, just.

Because, and she said, you're supposed to be a healer. You're supposed to be doing this work. And I thought she was insane. So I [00:04:00] laughed and thanked her for her message and went on. And then I kept doing what I was doing. And the more that I kept following this road of trying to find out more information, I was healing myself and in healing myself.

I realized that, you know, if I could help anybody else do this with more grace and ease and faster than it took me, that would be amazing. So that's actually what led me to starting my podcast because I just wanted to everything I would learn. I just wanted to put out there for the universe for anyone out there listening who may be sitting there thinking like the same thing I was, what is the point of life?

What's the meaning of life? Why are we here? Why is everything a struggle? So that's kind of how the podcast started. And then I did end up taking a Reiki course. I ended up getting a coach and mentor, took a Reiki course with her, took a past life regression course with her. And. Other healing modalities.

I took a hypnotherapy [00:05:00] course, just as much information as I could get to help other people heal. That is what I did. And then I just started my own business and decided to start doing this on my own. And my mission has always been, if I can help one person heal, it's worth it. And then I wrote my book.

I actually wrote my book, I think, before I started doing the healing work It was supposed to be like a cathartic memoir for me. And it ended up being like a self-help book that was part my memoir, but part also tips and tools for anyone who's ever been through a divorce or breakup or a loss in their life.

I've had people who haven't been divorced, but they've lost a significant person in their life. And they've told me that the book was really helpful for them. And, and it's part humor too. My friend who edited it for me, joked that I was the first person to use Karen. So but I believe humor helps us heal too.

So, you know, that's kind of the journey of how this all started, and this is what I've been doing ever since

Will: And let me just state for the record, you just won Karen's [00:06:00] heart so much because she, as a Karen really has a hard time with the Karen joke. I do I'm over it. Every time she makes a phone call, she comes and someone asks her her name. She goes, but I'm a nice Karen. I nice, Karen.

Melissa: I stated that. Not all Karens are that way. So replace the name with anyone, you know, who ha embodies those, you know, characteristics that we tend to associate with the Karen jokes.

Will: And, and to be

Karen: honest, I have never, even as a kid, I never liked my name, so I don't really feel like I really am Karen right.

Melissa: go by something else. Pick your own

Will: Yeah. to go back to, to what you just mentioned, Melissa, really quickly, the, the book, the title of the book, I find heartbreakingly beautiful. And it speaks so much about where you were at that point in time.

The book is called beautifully broken the spiritual woman's guide to thriving after divorce or breakup. And I just, I love that when I found out that was the name of your book, I loved it because it really paint a picture that, [00:07:00] gives someone a, an exact idea of where you were at the moment.

Melissa: Yeah, the whole idea behind the title was the concept of the Japanese pottery. That when it breaks, they put it back together using the paint that's gold. So. when you get finished putting all of the pieces back together, it's actually even more beautiful than it was before. And that's sort of the premise of my book is that even though you may feel like you're broken, if you allow God's light in and you allow yourself to heal, you can be made even more beautiful than you've ever been before.

Yeah,

Will: Mm, well, something

Karen: that was interesting to me that you mentioned is that you kind of went through this cycle and there are so many people that I know that it's kind of that repeat the cycle, bad relationship, get out, find a. And it's bad. Stay in it, get out, find a new one and it's bad stay in it. So if your book or, you know, your podcast can help anybody shorten that cycle.

I mean, I could have saved a few years getting rid of some of some of the [00:08:00] boyfriends that I cycled through. But I guess my question is from what you have learned is, is there a reason, like some sort of energy around people that makes them kind of get into this cycle? Or is there a

Will: lesson that they're supposed to learn?

Melissa: Yeah, absolutely. And the lesson is you have to love yourself first. A lot of people go through life and they don't love who they are and either subconsciously or through. Sometimes it's overtly parents will tell us you're not enough. Or they might compare you to your sibling and say, well, you don't, your grades are not as good as your brother or sister.

You could do better. And we pick up all of these subtle, I call them wise, but we pick up stories that we're not good enough. We don't have enough. And depending on how you grew up and what your attachment style was to your parents, sometimes we lack self love. And when we do that, then we tend to attract people who either also [00:09:00] don't love themselves or who are looking to take advantage of people who have low self-esteem, because it's easier for them to do that.

And a lot of it also has to do with your vibration. You know, we are all energy. And so if your energy is vibrating at a very high frequency, you tend to attract better things into your life. But if you're vibrating at a low energy frequency, which if. Living a life that doesn't make you happy, probably feel very drained and tired and you know, so that, that actually lowers your energy.

Then you're attracting energetically those things in too. So there are a few different components that go into the type of people we attract. But yes, the lesson is to learn to heal yourself. It all starts from within like, You have to love yourself and you have to be happy with yourself before you can be happy with somebody else.

So the lesson is always to go within and go back to yourself and to take care of yourself. First

Will: That's pretty good. We are only, not even 10 minutes into the [00:10:00] show when already getting to listen. That's fantastic. It usually takes us a long time to get there, but we got right to the meat of it. Nice question, Karen.

Melissa: with me. See that's that's. My mission is to get you there faster.

Will: like that. Cut to the chase. yeah, no, I love it. And looking at what you do, it, you do a lot of things.

You mentioned being a Reiki practitioner. You're intuitive healer. You're a transformational coach. You find a lot of these things work hand in hand together, or you kind have to choose one and go in a certain.

Melissa: Oh, no, there's a lot of people who they will get a Reiki session because Ricky can help you to restore your energy. And it just feels good to get Reiki too. It's relaxing and makes feel good. And then they might also do a coaching session. They're not the same thing, but I use many different tools in my coaching session.

So I like to use things like EFT, emotional freedom, technique, tapping. I like using hypnotherapy. So we do like little guided meditations [00:11:00] with people. Journaling is a great tool. There are a lot of different tools that I use that I. Can use in a session of coaching. And there are some people who strictly do come and get Reiki.

There are people who will come and just get a reading, or some people come just to do a past life regression. And then some people say, I want coaching and I want to include these things in the coaching session. So really each session is tailored to the person that's working with me

Will: Hm.

Melissa: in everything I do.

Will: And you really do. I'm looking at your website right now at your offerings, and you really do a lot of things. You mentioned, we've already talked about Reiki, talked about coaching. You also do card readings. You do past life regressions, you do guided meditations your podcast. So I guess my question would be, how do you find the time to do all that stuff?

Melissa: Sometimes it's difficult, but I feel like when something is your passion and you really love doing it. That it doesn't seem like work. It just feels like something that you get to do. [00:12:00] And you know, of course, building a business takes a while. So I'm still working also as a teacher full time. And it's one of those things where sort of shifting in one direction and shifting away from another, because I felt called to really.

In the world. And of course you serve as a teacher, you're serving people, but this is a totally different way. And I guess, because I personally have been in the trenches and know what it feels like to. Not be able to dig your way out and feel like everything's crashing in around you. That my mission is to help as many people as I can understand that you're not alone and you can break free.

You can get out, you can get help. You can feel better. You can actually live a life that you love. You don't have to stay down there in the trenches, you know, fighting and struggling every day. Life doesn't have to be such a big struggle. We often make it a bigger struggle than it really needs to be. And that's through our thoughts and [00:13:00] through our actions.

And so when we can learn how to start changing those things, then it makes life a little bit easier for us, which is, you know, that's what it's all about. We didn't come here to be miserable. Yeah.

Karen: and will you forgot? She's a mother of twins. Of course she can do all kinds of things at. Time. Are you kidding me? what

Will: was I thinking? You're absolutely right. You are absolutely right.

Karen: Um I wanted to ask you something,

You mentioned journaling and how can be a good tool now for me. I hate journaling. Like, what is it? That's so it's like, it's like jogging, you know, I can do it. It just takes so

Will: long.

Melissa: Yeah.

Will: Is

Karen: what, why is journaling?

So why should I try to not hate it? Like, why is

Will: good.

Melissa: well, and you don't have to journal. If you don't like writing pen to paper, you don't have to do it that way. The point of journaling is to get out. Your thoughts and your emotions. And so you can look at it because usually that's when we get an aha moment, right? Like [00:14:00] I'm feeling really crappy today. And I don't know why I'm feeling this way, what's going on.

And we can start thinking about, well, what happened today? Or what's been happening in the last few weeks, and then you look at it and you go, oh, you know what, here's what it is. I know what it is. Somebody said something to me the other day. My work and that I wasn't as smart. And that triggered a whole lifetime of me feeling like I'm not smart enough.

I don't have enough. So it really, we have all of these emotions that lie deep within us that our brains don't remember, but our bodies remember it and you know, it's there. So when we do the journaling work, it usually helps us to remember those things that are deep down so we can process. And work through it.

You don't have to write though. I tell people I have clients all the time who come to me and they're like, I don't wanna write. They feel like I'm punishing them by making them write. And I get it. And I'm a teacher. My students don't like writing either. [00:15:00] So I tell them, you don't have to write it down. You have a phone and it has a voice memo or recorder on it.

Speak into your phone. And I know people will always say, like, I don't wanna hear my voice back. Well, tough. You know, sometimes you have to listen to it, but the point of what you're doing is not to punish yourself. It's to really get insight into what's going on in your life. And there are many different journaling prompts that you can do.

I have a whole journal. For self development. So if you're really wanting to get rid of limiting beliefs about yourself, maybe, you know, you always have had trouble with money and you don't know why, and you don't understand where that comes. There are journaling prompts to help you uncover those beliefs you have about money.

Maybe you always saw your parents struggle like me. I grew up with a mom who was a single mom, so everything was tight, right? Money was tight. And when you went to the store, yeah, it was like no, you can't have that. Don't ask for that. So you get these [00:16:00] messages that money's hard to come by, or there's not enough to go around.

We really don't even realize that we've picked that up just by growing up in the household that we did. So the journaling helps you to uncover what your beliefs actually are and then you can, and you have to, it takes practice. Work at changing those beliefs. Right? Well, money's not limited. I see people all around me who have money.

They're taking these nice vacations and they have great jobs. So it's not limited. I've just told myself that it is. So we have to kind of rewrite that in. I think journaling is a really great way to do that, but you don't have to write it at all. You can actually speak it out, but that's what it does.

Yeah. Yeah.

Karen: I could do that. That I the problem. I might shut up. It could be like forever long. well,

Will: it's a great point. It just so happens that I've learned recently that I am a vocal processor. I need to talk about things even out loud, just speak to [00:17:00] myself or to someone else for me to process different things, which is why therapy works so well for me, but in not a lot of people will know that this show started out as exactly that I was speaking into my phone.

Processing some of the things I was going through verbally out loud. And then as a way of me to get my, my thoughts out into the universe, I published them as a show I've since transitioned that to a different show, which is people aren't gonna find, cuz it became so personal and so raw that I would be embarrassed for anyone to listen to now, but really good point that Karen, you might.

Look into how you process things. Maybe you're, you're a verbal processor or, or maybe, you know, journaling may not be for you, but something else might be I obsess

Karen: I think over and over and over and over until there's nothing left to think about. that's my

Will: process. Maybe to Melissa's point, if you get it out, maybe that would help you to not, not.

Focus on it so much. And my problem [00:18:00] with journaling is that my brain works too fast. Mm-hmm I can't keep up with it. So speaking it verbally really helped me out a lot, a lot.

Melissa: Yeah. And, you know, as a teacher, Many people have different learning styles. So you kind of have to find what works for you. And that's, what's great about it is there's so many tools out there. If you find something you're like, I really don't like this. Well, you don't have to keep doing it. There are other things out there, you know, that's the great thing about variety and choice and that, you know, you have free, well, you can try all the things you want.

Some people love meditation. Some people hate it. They can't sit still for that long. And I get that too. A lot of people love yoga and I've absolutely so wanted to love yoga. My whole life. I've wanted to be the girl that wears the yoga pants and, you know, I don't love yoga and to be a spiritual person, like that's like a sin, right?

Like I should burned at the stake because I don't like yoga,

Will: I too, don't yoga.

Melissa: but I like other things [00:19:00] that involve movement, you know, I like other ways of moving. I like doing Zumba and for me, that is a relaxing. And even though it's not slow at all, there's no slow pace about it. But for me, that is a way to relax and to move my body. But I do like guided meditation. So it's very.

Everyone's unique, you know, it's the way that you relate to things that if you're sitting there forcing yourself to do yoga and you're not enjoying it, I don't really see the point of that.

Will: Yeah, great point. I, my, I just, my body doesn't bend in those ways, so I just not to, I've actually used to do Tai Chi. That's so much more my speed than than yoga. Why are you laughing at me?

Karen: I'm being very nice by not saying my thoughts right now. I

Will: appreciate that. Very Tell

Melissa: lot of people who love that, you know, and that's great. Like I said, you gotta find what you really love and what resonates with you.

Will: Yeah. Mm-hmm so tell us about the things, the topics you cover on your podcast, [00:20:00] because I've been listening to it for a while and I've found it very helpful in a lot of ways, because it is a great voice in this sea, endless sea of messages getting out there. Mm-hmm uh, what kind of topics do you.

Melissa: So the topics are really wide and ranging and they're anything from how to work with your arch angels to Human design what it is, and then a brief overview. How to forgive, how to shift your thoughts. I mean, really for me, how I come up with the topic is I just meditate a little bit and ask the universe what message people need to hear.

And that's usually how I get the individual topics that I cover. And then I have a lot of awesome guests that come on and they cover a lot of things. I know nothing about like human design. I really don't know that much about it, but I've had some awesome guests come on and talk about it. And my listeners will write to me and say, Hey, can you, have you ever thought about covering this topic?

Or [00:21:00] could you talk about this more? And if I can't learn about it, if I can't go and find the information and. Bring it back to them and cover it in a way that I think is gonna give them what they need. I'll find a guest who can, and that way, you know, the, the audience members really it's for them. They get what they need out of it, which is just little things they can be doing every day to make their lives a little better.

Will: See

Karen: now what you just said told me you're a good teacher. I used to be a teacher as well. And so many times someone will ask someone something and you just try to come up with an answer. But if you don't know it, you find an expert who does. And I like that. That's wonderful. I

Will: said I was working on that.

Karen for crying out loud. wasn't

Karen: saying names

Melissa: yeah. I find making things up on this spot. Doesn't work too. Well, people will call you out on that for sure.

Will: yeah, that whole fake till you make it thing. I don't know about because people are, especially nowadays they see through it a lot really quickly.

Melissa: Yeah. And there's, you know, there are a lot of [00:22:00] information out there, but again, you also have to be careful where you get your information, as you were saying, there's a lot of people out there who don't have your best interest at heart and who are posting things that are not factual. And so you do have to be careful kind of where you get your information.

And for me, I try to make my podcast a place that's sort of relaxing. Informative at the same time. So we're not gonna be on there talking about politics and anything that gets people's blood pressure rising, because I want people to feel better after they listen to my podcast. Not, you know, I've listened to podcasts before where afterwards I was angry and ready to go, like take on the world, cuz I'm like, how could you say that on a podcast? And, and I try to keep away from those things now at this point, because it's not. You draining your energy and getting upset. And, and it's like what I tell my podcast listeners. Sometimes you have to go through and do a social media cleanup [00:23:00] too, and stop following people who upset you and, and make you wanna throw your phone.

Like, that's not a good thing. So taking a break sometimes. And so that's why I try to make my podcast a place where when you're with me for the half hour 45 minutes, You feel good? You're learning something new ed. When you leave, you leave feeling ready to take on the world in a new.

Karen: We've been really fortunate just to have so many great guests on the podcast. And there are you. Hear about the people trying to just make a buck and we have not experienced that, which is fantastic. And kind of like what you're saying. I mean, you're, everybody just wants to help everyone that we've talked to, wants to help and put that healing energy out there.

Do you have any significant or impactful success stories that kind of pop in your mind of, of someone that you've helped kind of go through this process of breaking the cycles of the bad

Will: relationships?

Melissa: Yeah. I mean, I've had people reach out people. I don't even know who [00:24:00] listen to the podcast. And one person told me that they were an alcoholic and they stopped drinking.

Will: Wow. That's pretty impactful.

Karen: is fantastic. Oh my gosh, I gave you

Will: goosebumps.

Melissa: yeah. So it's stuff like that. You know, I love working with people in coaching and that's awesome too. And yes, I've had people say to me, like, What I, I hear this most common phrase, honestly, that people have used when they come back to me is you changed my life. And I didn't even expect to hear anything like that.

You know, I, I expected to hear like, thanks, you helped, you know, but to hear like you changed my life is something that I never expected to hear from anybody. And to know that in some way I was able to help anyone is just. The most fulfilling thing ever. And it's why I continue to do what I.

Will: Now on the flip side, have you ever had someone on your show? Kind of opened your eyes about [00:25:00] something. We've had a lot of people that we, we had no idea, like when we had the Buddhist monk on mm-hmm we had no idea. There was such a thing as Thai, Buddhist magic. Right? How, what is that? What does that, what, well, how does that work?

So have you ever had someone in your show that, that you thought going into it, you it'd be about one thing, but then it turned like a complete U-turn and you went off in a different direct.

Melissa: Yeah, absolutely. I, I have learned so much from my guests as much as probably my audience members have. I had a guest on one time who talked about wo healing. and I'd never heard of it. I didn't know what it was. And she talked about how it was a powerful way to heal those inner, emotional wounding that you have because a lot of it comes from your, you know, mother's lineage or whatever.

And it was very interesting topic. And so I looked more into that and did like a guided meditation with that and found that very, very helpful. And. . I also ended up getting my certification in hypnotherapy because I had [00:26:00] someone on who was a hypnotherapist and talked about how much can help with anxiety and with different disorders.

And I thought that's something I need to learn because a lot of clients come to me with anxiety and a lot of the anxiety, I think. If you're especially sensitive to energy, which most people who listen to my podcast are what they consider to be empaths or people who are extra sensitive to energy. And if you are just going through life can be extremely overwhelming because you're picking up not only your energy, but everyone else around you too.

And so if you're around someone. Is has very heavy energy and then you're picking up on that. It can be very overwhelming, you know, especially if you know how people are feeling, even though they don't know, you know, how they're feeling, that that can be really an overwhelming thing. And so. Teaching them sometimes how to shield themselves from that.

Like, you don't have to always be tuned into [00:27:00] every single thing that you're around. And so it's important for people to learn how to shield themselves if they're especially sensitive to energy, when they go out into large crowds or, you know, just when they don't wanna be tapped into that.

Will: there's, there's so much about your podcast that I love that we could talk about that the entire time, but I also wanna touch on a little bit on the other things that you do, usually someone picks one modality or another. We've had hypnotherapist on the show. We've had past life regression therapists on the show. We've had card readers to row readers and things like that. all the things that you do are available.

Do you do 'em virtually or do you usually do 'em in.

Melissa: Yeah, I do everything virtually. Because that was just easier for me when I started I, all of the practice and everything that I did was virtual. Every, all the courses were online and. So I tried both in person and virtual on my family when I was practicing and we [00:28:00] got the same results, no matter what we did.

So to me that said, well, energy. Can move through anywhere. So it's the same, no matter where you are. So being online for me made it more it was easier for my clients because then they could be in the comfort of their own home. They didn't have to travel anywhere and it's made it easier for them to schedule things because you know, so many of us are so busy that it's hard sometimes to block us some time.

So that was just a convenience factor for them.

Will: The one thing that I'm curious about though, is things like hypnotherapy past life regression, where. as much as we try to make a space that is conducive to things like that. It's not always easy. I had Le Leone who is a very gifted, talented past life regression therapist who studied with Brian Weiss, Dr.

Weiss do a past life regression on me, and we did release it as a bonus episode, a while back. But I don't know if I got all of the benefits that I could have, because it was difficult for me. I was sitting in my [00:29:00] office chair. I was talking to someone across the computer. The audio was sometimes hit or miss because of our, our internet connections.

Have you found that to be a challenge in your practices?

Melissa: Every once in a while, you'll have a situation that'll happen. Like if the client's internet is unstable or something happens. But for the most part, I found that it works pretty well. And I record their sessions too, so they can go back and watch it later. Or I even have clients who do the meditation part later.

They do it again just to try to go even deeper and get something else out of it.

Will: so you provide a recording of the session.

Melissa: yeah. session that I do, if I do a coaching with you, or if I do a reading for you or I do past life regression or even Reiki, I record the session. And then because in my Reiki sessions, you know, not every Reiki practitioner does this, but at the end, I always do a 15 to 20 minute guided meditation to take you on even deeper.[00:30:00]

Will: wow. That is key because my memory is awful. so that would help tremendously. Right? Right.

Melissa: Well, and then if you're doing a reading too, you know, sometimes when you're in the session with someone, you'll say, I'm getting this, does this make sense? And they'll say no. And then they go back later and watch it like, oh wait. Yes. Yes. Cause when you know, someone's just asking you question after question.

Sometimes you. Don't think about something that happened to me. I had a, a session when I was practicing doing mediumship. One of the other students that I was practicing with, she said your grandma, okay. Your grandma has a message for you. And there's something about bunnies. And I was like, yeah, I don't have any idea what you're talking about.

That doesn't make any sense to me later that afternoon, I went to my cousin's. And she had a picture of my niece on her table. My niece was named after my grandmother and next to it were two ceramic bunnies and there was a ceramic [00:31:00] plate behind her with a bunny on it. And then the, the frame itself said, I love you.

And I was like, oh my gosh, like, okay, those are bunnies. Like, okay, so how to validate it. Cause sometimes you get things and it's like a sign that you're going to see, or you. It's very difficult. Sometimes when you're in the session itself to think about what is somebody talking about, and then you go later and you talk to someone else and they're like, Hey, don't you remember?

This was their nickname or this is what happened. And like, oh yeah. Okay. And then they totally validate what the person said. So that's why a recording is really great because in the moment you don't remember everything that's happening because you're so, emotional, but then later you can go back and say, oh yeah, I forgot about that.

I forgot. They said,

Karen: And of all of these different practices that you do. Is there one that you are particularly fond of, or that works better for you or you

Will: feel better doing

Melissa: I absolutely love doing readings and coaching with people. And [00:32:00] I find that in a lot of the readings that I do, I end up doing more. Coaching with people. Anyway, it just turns that way. When I do reading, you know, people connect to spirit in different ways and I don't see dead people. That's not how I work for me.

It's a thought just pops into my head and then I just blurt out whatever I get. and so that's kind of the way that I work. They'll ask me about just, can you tell me about my job or about this? And then I just start rambling and they'll say, how did you, okay. I didn't say anything. , you know, it's, it's stuff that you can't go online and just look up about client.

And I don't ever, the only thing I ever know about them is their name anyway, the first name. So.

Will: it's really interesting. Your choice of words, cuz you say you blurt out something or you Bavel on. I mean that these kinds of things, which are stream of consciousness, kind of thought processes, that really is what it's like. Right? You, you move your ego outta the way and just let spirit come through

Melissa: Oh, yeah. Well, when I first started, I, it [00:33:00] was long pauses and one word and long pauses. And because I kept thinking that I was just, this was my own thought. I'm just saying these things and the more I did it, I used to have to write everything down and then say whatever I got and. The more practice I did with it.

I don't write anything. Like I'll write the person's first name down. Like I'm going to write things down that I get, but I never end up writing anything down because I've just like, keep talking, keep talking, keep talking. And I haven't written anything down and before I know it's like 15 minutes later, I'm like, I haven't written a single thing down except your name.

Will: of like this interview where I'm supposed to be taking notes and that's not taking a single note while the entire time we're talking.

Melissa: exactly.

Will: well, I'm looking at your website and you've got review after review. You've got people saying all kinds of really wonderful things about how you've helped them and how not just your show, but your coaching.

Everything is just, you just exude this light [00:34:00] in this wonderful energy. If you have not listened to her podcast, I would strongly urge you to check it out because it may just speak to you as, as loudly. And clearly, as it speaks to me it's called awaken your inner awesomeness, and she is Melissa Oman.

Melissa, someone wanted to reach out to you. What's the best way for them to.

Melissa: You can really find everything on my website, which is just Melissa oman.com. And I'm on Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, and all of my social media is on my website. My home. Page along with my email, which is just Melissa Oman, 77 gmail.com and really everything you can get to the podcast from there, you can buy the book from there.

You can purchase a session from there. Read more about it, really anything it's all on my website.

Will: And we're gonna add those links directly onto our show notes. So if you'd like to reach out to her, you can certainly go to skepticmetaphysician.com, go to Melissa's [00:35:00] episode page, which will be called awake in your inner awesomeness and click the links directly. And it'll take you. Directly to her.

So it makes it really simple for you, Melissa. This has been wonderful. Thank you so much for coming on and, and sharing of your energy with our audience.

Melissa: Yeah, absolutely. Thank you so much for having you so much.

Will: It was fun. Well, thanks for coming along on this journey of discovery. We'd love to continue our conversation with you on our website or on Facebook or Instagram under@skepticmetaorskepticmetaphysician.com. And if you're listening to this on the radio and missed anything, not to worry all of our shows, including this one can be found there as well.

I hope you enjoy this episode as much as we have that's all now. We'll see you on the next episode of the skeptic IANS until then take care.