Proof of the Paranormal? Brain Scans Reveal the Reality of Psychic Gifts

Will: my gosh, Karen, this is it. What's it? This, the show, this is it. This is what I've been looking for the entire time. Oh, that it. Yeah, this is it, it. The it. The it. People who listen to the show know it. I'm all about finding proof, tangible proof. Like I could see it. I could touch it. I could taste it. I can feel it.

I

Karen: thought you were starting to get a little bit better off that. Well, I

Will: am. I am. But it's always nice to get the actual. Like in your face proof and this is it. Now, I mean, I'm so excited. Like, I don't even know, like I'm jumping around. Like we just did the recording and now we're recording this because we were too, I was too excited.

Like I'm giddy. I'm giddy with what we're about to reveal. Now we need to warn you. This is a little bit longer of an episode. It's actually quite a bit longer, quite a bit longer. It's our longest episode to date, but it is. Chalk full of stuff that you're going to want to stick around [00:01:00] for, for sure.

Karen: Especially if you have a few doubts here and

Will: there. Yeah, if you have any doubt whatsoever, this, about the fact that this stuff really exists or not, this is a show that may just put all those doubts for you to rest. And I don't see that lightly because, I started the show with big time doubts.

Karen: And we're going to reveal some information that has never before been revealed. Not like this. Not

Will: like this. Exactly. We have a doctor coming out that actually, I don't want to spoil it. Stick around. It's long, but it is worth it. We promise you. I'm so flipping giddy, Karen. I can't, I'm, I can't contain myself.

All right. Let's just start the show. Here we go.

Karen. Yes. You remember our friend, Jennifer Foster. Of course I do. Right. Right. Of course. I mean, she was, her interview was astounding. It really was. She's the person. And if you haven't heard the interview [00:02:00] before you listen to this one, go find hers and listen to that one first. I promise you, you'll get a lot more out of this interview.

If you do that, but she's the one who just up and had to travel the world because she was awakening spiritually and didn't know how to handle it. was doing that, she gained ability after ability. Now, in her search, she found, or maybe a doctor found her, that asked her to map her brain while she was performing these abilities.

That's so interesting. It absolutely is. And the best thing is that we've got both of them on the show today. And the doctor is going to reveal What his findings were on the show. So this was one you don't want to miss. Stay with us. We'll be right back here on the Skeptic Metaphysicians. [00:03:00] welcome to the Skeptic Metaphysicians. I'm Will and I'm Karen. And today we have a special treat. And I know I say that sometimes, but this is truly a special treat. Cause it goes right up both of our alleys, Karen. Right. We've got Jennifer Foster, who is a channel, a medium, a healer.

She works with spirit energy. She also has a spirit family that helps others emotionally, energetically, physically, and spiritually. But it wasn't always this way. She was and still is a very well respected broadcaster in the production industry. And she understandably was a little Hesitant.

Freaked out. When she started her [00:04:00] spiritual awakening, it started happening. So that's a little bit of background. She traveled the world looking for answers as her abilities turned on one by one. And her latest adventure took her to Dr. Tarrant, who has now successfully mapped her brain while performing her abilities.

And Dr. Tarrant, well, he's a founder and director of Psychic Mind Neuromeditations Institute in Eugene, Oregon. He is a licensed psychologist and board certified in neurofeedback. He specializes in teaching, clinical applications, and research combining technology based interventions with meditative states that improve mental health.

And his research focuses on exploring brainwave changes that happen as a result. Of non ordinary states of consciousness and PSI related abilities. I was going to say PSI related abilities, but I don't know if that's true. And it's also the author of the books, meditation interventions to rewire the brain and becoming psychic.

I am so flipping excited to [00:05:00] welcome Dr. Tarrant and Jennifer Foster to the show. Thank you guys for both coming on.

Jennifer: Oh, it's so nice to be here. Thanks for having us.

Dr Tarrant: Yeah, for sure. I appreciate the opportunity.

Will: Well, I would say the opportunity is ours because having okay, maybe back up. I'm a little too excited. I know.

Karen & Will: I feel like we should have that applause when they're here.

Will: So the reason why I'm so excited doc is because Jennifer is, was one of the first people that we had on the show that was helping us to.

I'm understand this non ordinary consciousness thing, experience that people are having. That works really well, except when you're really a pragmatic and you have a hard time wrapping your head around things. So then to have someone like you, who has spent many, many years researching this, and actually now you've taken Jennifer.

And had her channel and you had this thing on her head and you mapped her brain and we are going to find out what was happening in her mind when she's [00:06:00] that is super exciting. I gotta tell you that is. evidence, right? That we've been looking for that this there's something happening that's not usual, right?

Dr Tarrant: I mean, it's tricky, right? Because, we can't, I can't necessarily look at the brainwaves and say, well, this proves something. And at the same time, some of the patterns that we saw are. Very significantly different than, kind of just a normal state of consciousness.

So something's happening for sure. Right. We can absolutely say that.

Will: Well, just like when I was when I first attuned to Reiki and that was my first feel of something else beyond the physical, because I actually felt the energy for the first time. This is a way for us to see that for sure there is something out of the norm happening here. So to me that's super exciting.

That's tantamount to proof as far as I'm concerned. Because you

Karen & Will: need that

Will: proof. Yes, you do. Yes. Him too, Karen. Yes.

Jennifer: I needed that proof. This is why I really you know, there's a big part of [00:07:00] me that says I just want to see what my brain is doing when I'm not really here. When I just kind of stepped aside, I'd love to see what's going on with my brain. My my mind is doing very different things now.

And so, being able to work with Dr. Tarrant and have him do that, the EEGs and the brain mapping and the other work that we've done together was just such a relief to me, really, it was a validation and he's explained to me so many times, what statistically significant means and this and that.

And a lot of times my eyes just kind of glaze over, but I, Then I look at the images and go, okay, that makes sense. So we've had that opportunity.

Will: Well, I liked the term statistically.

Dr Tarrant: Silence.

Will: for a [00:08:00] while with all this kind of stuff. And we've heard it from other people afterwards too.

So,

Jennifer: Yeah. And I think that's pretty typical. And Dr. Terry can speak to that too with other psychics, mediums, channels, healers, when the abilities turn on in such a dramatic way, it's it's very disorienting. And, I think we're all searching for answers and learning to discern energy.

And that takes time. And, it's been two years since we spoke last. So there's been an extraordinary amount of experiences that I've had. And, validation in some cases, just working with people, the being able to see the results and knowing that, I am definitely channeling.

It's not that

Will: you're not making it up

Jennifer: There's not a question of that anymore, that there's not a question of that. But understanding the mechanics of it is what's interesting to me. How is it possible that our brains are able to do this? And and that's what I find really fascinating about Dr. Terrence work in the book that he just recently published.

Released, which is called becoming psychic. And he's worked with [00:09:00] lots of different mediums and channels. And what's been great for me is to be able to talk with him and say, this is my experience. And he'll say, oh, that's interesting because that's very similar to what so and so would say, so it is nice to see that there are some things that are kind of lining up here that are.

consistent. And then we all have our own way of doing this, right? We're all individuals. So we all have our own way of being able to work with the energy to process the energy to be a vessel for this energy. And so, yeah, it's becoming much more normal and natural for me now. And still, it's, it's still a little strange,

Will: Still out there. Still woo. Yeah. Absolutely. Well,

Karen & Will: I want to get into the whole, what's going on in your brain and we have some really great images. Before we get into that, it has been two years and you said you've had some significant experiences that have happened.

What kind of significant experiences that's got me excited.

Jennifer: Oh, I think I have to come back on to talk about some of those because I'm in the process of writing a book about some of them. And I mean, it's been everything from doing [00:10:00] what's called an entity extractions, which some people may call exorcisms.

Karen & Will: What?

Jennifer: These experiences I've had. Another, almost near death experience with me, which I think you're familiar with the being thrown from the camel and almost dying and that experience.

And then how that lined up afterwards. I mean, the universe is just continues to amaze me and the things the way that things unfold and the way things happen. But I've been all over the world since we spoke. And I think the last time I spoke with you, I had already been around the world twice.

So, I was guided very clearly to go to Israel and Palestine in July, and I ended up spending a month there in August before going on to Rwanda in September, all of that was guided. That was just go here. It's the last opportunity you'll have to do this. And now look at what's going on in that part of the world, so there are so many things and, experiences like.

I've really been living in these villages where I travel to and where [00:11:00] I go to, and part of it is because it's very Natural to be able to go to a place on the other side of the world and do this work, I don't have to worry about malpractice insurance. I don't have to worry about not a doctor.

I can just sit with people and, sense into their energies and beautiful healings happen sometimes. And so I've had, extraordinary experiences where I was sitting with three women in Morocco and we kind of went around the circle and one had a back problem and one had a knee problem.

And I got to the third one and my guide said, just sit next to her for a minute. And I couldn't really, sense anything. And she said, just sit next to her. So I did. And I thought maybe it was just to settle my own energies. Cause I just done pretty significant work with. to two people. And when you're in a group, it's a little bit more challenging.

And as I sat next to her, my main guide, Adriana said, she has a baby in her belly. Can you feel it? And now I've never had a baby, so I don't know what that feels like. [00:12:00] Right. But I was able to sense into my body. So, there's so many things like that. I mean, and my psychic abilities have really expanded to the point that.

I'll know if someone's pregnant and I'll know what their, the sex of their baby is going to be before I even see them or be with them. It's, very strange types of things that have just kind of turned on and some of them have escalated and some of them have kind of gone back to the point.

And I think the first time we talked, I talked about 2017 being the years of weird when it just. came on full blast, all that psychic knowing that's back now. And there was a little bit of lull in that as I was opening up to the channeling and as I was really focused on being a trans channel.

But now it's they're pretty, it's pretty turned on.

Will: I want to turn our attention now for a minute to Dr. Tarrant because, now, we just heard Jennifer talk about all of her experiences, what she's been going through, how things are back and abilities are [00:13:00] strengthening and things like that. When you hear someone say that as a, as an academic,

Dr Tarrant: Okay.

Will: went, how did I get here?

Jennifer: You're probably thinking that right now. Yeah,

Dr Tarrant: here? Um, Yes, I mean, certainly there are times where it's this is so weird. How did my career path end up here? And it's interesting cause not the same at all. Right. But I feel like the universe has kind of put some of these situations in my path. And I said, yes, and so it's and at least at this point in the way that I see things in the way that I understand [00:14:00] things, it's like, if you say yes.

Then it sends you to the next thing and they, it just kind of keeps unfolding. And for whatever reason, it's starting to feel like maybe this is what I'm supposed to be doing. Because so much of this work has just unfolded so naturally and easily. And things just keep kind of landing in my lap. And, from the beginning, I wasn't looking for any of this.

I didn't set out. I didn't say, you know what I'm going to do? I'm going to go study psychics and mediums. It

Karen & Will: Yeah,

Will: I'm not sure that Jennifer was looking for it either. I was

Karen & Will: wondering how that first yes felt.

Will: and now so you have studied not just Jennifer, but several people I've watched a presentation that you've done on these types of things. I even went to your website, I downloaded your meditation. You have meditations on your site that people can download for free. Who will woo that will activate that parts of your brain that you're using when you're have, I mean,

Karen & Will: what, how, what?

you're a doctor. [00:15:00] laughter

Dr Tarrant: uh, Because honestly, and it kind of gets your, to your initial question just a second ago is. When I first started being more open about this work and being more vocal about it and putting things out there, to me, it didn't seem like a big deal.

It was yeah, sure. And not surprisingly, I got some pushback from certain professional communities. And in fact, I got fired from a group that I was working with in Germany who shall remain nameless, but

Will: You can compensate

Dr Tarrant: right. But it was a group I was working with in Germany and And they were using a lot of my meditation work as part of their programming.

And when they found out I was doing this, I got an email from them that basically said, since you're no longer interested in science we think we should part ways. And I was

Karen & Will: They did not. Oh my gosh.

Will: That is all. So first that you're interested in, you're longer interested in science. Second, that they did it with an email. How rude. [00:16:00]

Karen & Will: Wow.

Dr Tarrant: I mean my, so at that point my solution or whatever was, I was like, okay, you know what I'll separate this a little bit. Anybody that Googles me, it's, you're going to see both things, but it kind of keeping some of the neuromeditation stuff separate from the psychic mind science stuff. I mean, I understand for some people, this is too much for them to digest and, it makes them uncomfortable. And so, I don't want to eliminate those people from some of the other work. So, I guess that's the price you got to pay. Right. Yeah,

Will: have mapped out all these folks who are using their abilities and you found some astounding things are happening.

In your estimation, and we'll go through the results here, but before, but without giving anything away, do you feel that anybody [00:17:00] can develop these types of abilities? Or does someone, because for example, Jennifer had a near death experience. She had an accident that, that with upon hitting her head, actually.

Perhaps might have triggered some of these things to come out. Do I have to knock my head against the wall to start having psychic abilities? Or can we develop those? I can help you with that. Well, you volunteered a little too

Karen & Will: fast there.

Dr Tarrant: that's an advanced the type of technique, right? But so, and again, this is just my current feeling. And some of it comes from talking to a lot of different mediums and psychics and what their opinion is. But as well as just my own experience is that yes, indeed. I think we all sort of have this innate ability.

I actually think it's a natural ability that we're born with. And I think what happens is that as we get older, as our brain changes, cause your brain waves change, as you get older they actually become more rigid, not a big surprise there. [00:18:00] And, as we develop more language skills and more. We get rewarded for analysis and for left brain kind of ways of thinking and engaging.

And we get told by our family group and our society that's not real, don't pay attention to that. I think what happens is the brain starts to essentially inhibit those natural abilities. And so I think the reason that you see a lot of times that so Jennifer is a good example, but I've seen lots of mediums and psychics where they've had a traumatic head injury or they've had a seizure or they've had some other traumatic event that seemed to trigger an opening of some of this and there's other research that supports this idea that basically when that happens, I think what you're doing is you're getting the brain out of the way. So if you're lucky enough, I'm gonna put it in air quotes that type of an injury doesn't create some sort of damage where you're not, it's hard to function, right? But it's isolated enough [00:19:00] where it disinhibits the brain so that these abilities can kind of come forth just more easily.

So, I think that's why it's easier for some people than others, right? Is that the brain is just. Has an easier an easier way to shut down the parts that are causing problems.

Will: just made about stopping the function of certain areas is actually what makes these things happen, which is actually interesting because you think you need to activate some areas, but according to your research, it's actually just the opposite.

Jennifer, turning to you I think you agree that almost everyone can channel, but there's different types of channeling. And I don't, I can't imagine anyone who would be better served to help us understand the differences between those.

Jennifer: thank you. It's interesting because I did a lot of neuromeditation after my cycling crash to help rewire my brain and to help heal my brain because, I had a mild [00:20:00] traumatic brain injury and also I was having cognitive disturbances. I was having visual disturbances, all kinds of issues.

And so in order to heal my brain, I really dove deep into meditation and so now I see Dr. Tarrant's book and I go, Oh yeah, I learned all of this as I was healing my brain. And it's interesting because when I'm doing sessions with people, they'll say like, how can I do this? Everybody wants to channel. I'm always saying careful what you wish for

Karen & Will: Yeah. Right.

Jennifer: And what my guides will tell them sometimes is that they're efforting too much that instead of efforting, just allow just learn to quiet the mind quiet your brain and become the observer. And when you can become the observer, then you can discern energies and you. Our thinking brains and our imagination want to get engaged in that process.

But if you can train your brain, and sometimes it helps to, get hit by a van and have the brain, but when you can train the brain to become the observer, and then you recognize that [00:21:00] your mind is so much greater than that brain, right? It's you're really sensing into all of the energies were energy beings.

So that's what we're doing. We're sensing into energies. And so I think we're all channels. We can all be channels. It's just the difference I think is that some have the ability to discern subtle vibrations and really be able to hone in on those. And that takes Practice. And sometimes, like what happened with me all of a sudden, just hearing that was jarring.

And I had to learn how to work with energy, how to discern energy, how to perceive, receive. Discern discernment. It was the big one.

Will: Sure.

Jennifer: So yeah, there are three types of channeling. And so trans channeling is what I do now, which is basically my brain steps aside and you'll see this in the, I think you're going to see it here soon, or Dr.

Tarrant's going to talk about it, but my brain just kind of steps aside so that those energies can come through. So I'm really a vessel for those energies. And really, for me, it's [00:22:00] become very easy to be able to do that, to just. become the observer. And so when I allow the energies to come through, they take over my voice.

Sometimes they take over my body, my movement. Certainly when I'm doing healing work, my hands go right to where they need to. I don't control any of it. In fact, my guides say, stay out of the way, stay out of the way, stay out of the way.

Karen & Will: That's

Will: got to be freaky, right? It's got to freak you out a little bit. I mean,

Jennifer: it's become, it's interesting because I never really know, like we, Dr.

Taran, I did some work with someone. My hands were, in all kinds of different positions. I don't know whether that's exactly where they need to be. I'm not a trained medical professional. I don't know that. I don't know the mechanics of any of this. Right. And then, we read her, I read her feedback just yesterday.

I think it was. And she said, her hands went to exactly the spot of the concern, how does that happen? I stay out of the way. I just stay out of it, right? And I let spirit guide and do what's meant to do and those people's higher selves those humans they're more [00:23:00] expansive Their energetic selves are in charge just as much as I am and in that situation more so in some cases So I'm just following that energy.

So that's so the trance is me just getting out of the way.

And then there's two other types of channeling that are more, more common. I think intuitive channeling is what I think we, almost all of us are. Everybody has the ability to listen to their own intuition, to their gut feelings, to their own sense of knowing. I'm, I'm sure this is something that all three of you can relate to, that you just have this knowing, right?

That something is just is right. And so I think almost everyone has the ability to tap into their intuition. So everyone is a channel because that's coming from our most expansive self. It's coming from our energetic self. And then there's conscious channeling. And this is what I do as a psychic and a medium and most psychics and mediums and healers do this work.

And that's where you receive those [00:24:00] downloads of information. So you're connecting with spirit and or the energy of people and places and things, and you may not really understand how or why, but you know that you're receiving that information. And so, this happens, probably with a lot of us also where we have that really strong knowing, and that's when we're temp We're tapping into our Claire's, our psychic Claire senses.

And, we can go into what those six are if you want, but that is that conscious channeling and that conscious channeling is where I think we can all evolve and we can all learn and we can all grow and part of that has to start with meditation because we have to be able to quiet our minds to get our thinking brains out of the way in order for all of that other clear sensing to come through.

Will: right. Yeah. And the Claire's is of course, we've talked about it a lot on the show. Claire Boyant, Claire Audience, Claire Sentience, all that kind of stuff. So Oh my gosh. All right. I have been so patient. I have been sitting on [00:25:00] the edge of my seat. I really, I mean, I've got to see these results and we got it.

We got to listen to Dr. Tarrant talk about the results, but before we do, we got to take a break. All right. Already. I know. Can you believe it's the time? Time has flown by. We have to take a break. We'll be right back We will not make you wait any longer. And by you, I mean me. Right after this break, we'll get into the mapping, what Dr.

Tarrant found in Jennifer Foster's brain as she was using her abilities. Stay with us. We'll be

Karen & Will: right back. Welcome back to the Skeptic Metaphysicians. We are talking to Jennifer Foster, who is a longtime friend of our show, but she brought along a friend of her own in Dr. Tarrant, who has been studying the brain while people are using psi abilities he has managed to map Jennifer's brain as she's performing [00:26:00] some of these abilities and he has brought the results with him today.

Will: And we've been very patient. Doc, waiting for you to finally give us a clue, the cue to start going on that, down that road. So I think I want to, before we reveal all that stuff, just a quick disclaimer. If you're only listening to this show, I urge you to go either to our blog, we'll post the pictures there.

Or go to our YouTube channel and watch this because Dr. Tarrant is going to be speaking to us certain slides that he has sent to us with results. So you'll see those visually, but meanwhile, you'll get a good sense as he's talking through it on the audio side. So don't worry, you're not missing out too much, but I do recommend you check the pictures Skepticminivision.

com. I'll remind you that a little bit later on in the show, but okay, doc, without further ado. The floor is yours. All right. So take it away.[00:27:00]

 the reason I included this, this image is just so people can get an idea of what it looks like, uh, when we're kind of doing these brainwave recordings. So this is a 19 channel. EEG cap. So it's measuring and monitoring 18 or sorry, 19 different areas of the brain simultaneously.

Dr Tarrant: And, that's really enough to get a pretty good picture of what's going on throughout the brain, as well as different ways of looking at connectivity between parts of the brain. So, and that was actually, you can see Jennifer's kind of looking off a little bit to the right, which EEG Capture Seems to be we've worked together a few different times now, and that seems to be a way that she naturally shifts her body posture when she starts channeling, kind of shifting her head a little bit as if she's looking to the right, her eyes are closed, obviously, but this was actually during one of her channeling sessions

Will: Yeah, I remember that look when she was doing it for me on the session. She would do that with her head. So I recognize it very right away.

Dr Tarrant: [00:28:00] and so this the 1st, so we actually have done 3 sessions together and the 1st one was Straight up channeling, right? Just did a couple of baseline recordings because, of course, in order to look and see what the brain's doing during channeling, the best way to look at that is you have to compare it to something else, and the most obvious thing to compare it to is to compare it to Jennifer's brain when she's not channeling.

So we did several baselines, right? We did eyes open, eyes closed, sitting, doing nothing. And then we also had her Do an EEG recording while she was just having a regular conversation. And the reason that's important is because when she's doing the channeling work, she's also speaking out loud. And when you're talking it can actually, it interferes with the EEG because the muscle movement and that sort of thing gets picked up by the EEG.

And so by having a conversation compared to channeling, we can essentially subtract the [00:29:00] two from each other. So in that regard, then you're basically saying, well, what's different. Between just having a regular conversation and channeling and so that's actually what we're looking at in this set of images is the difference between those two conditions and so I've got the primary EEG brainwaves labeled at the top of these little heads.

I left out delta, so usually you'll see the slowest brainwaves to the fastest delta, theta, alpha, beta, high beta, gamma, so your brain makes a lot of different frequencies. And what we're able to do is kind of split them apart. So it's a little bit like the colors of the rainbow, right? All the colors of the rainbow have different frequencies and.

So do your brainwaves. Your brainwaves have different frequencies. So you can think of these like the colors of the rainbow. Some are slower, some are faster. The reason I left delta out is because there was muscle movement involved by talking. And muscle movement usually looks like delta in an EEG.

So just to keep it as clean as possible, I just said let's just not look at that. So the way to look at these [00:30:00] brain maps is that any of the areas that are essentially green Basically means there wasn't really any significant difference. Between having a conversation and channeling kind of the same activity anywhere where there's brighter colors yellow than orange than red means there was an increase of that activity during the channeling and we don't see any of that. Anywhere where there's blues, kind of lighter blues moving into deeper blues means there was a decrease of activity during the channeling. And so at a high level, kind of looking at this, what you can see right away is that basically everything decreased. So theta decreased, alpha decreased, beta, all of them decreased.

And it was the most dominant in the slower frequencies. And you can see it largely up in the frontal lobes and the frontal lobes and kind of maybe leaning over to the left a little bit. So if you look at alpha and beta in particular, actually, you can see it in high beta pretty well too, that there's a little bit more deactivation on the left hemisphere.

For a [00:31:00] couple of reasons. So first, I mean, just like we talked about earlier, Jennifer's brain was basically shutting down to some degree, right? Everything was decreasing. So the normal brain functions were reduced. If you want to think of it that way, the way the brain normally operates and then the areas that showed up the strongest with that were the frontal lobes, which makes sense, right?

Because that's like executive functions, thinking, planning, analyzing all that stuff, which, of course. If you're getting out of the way, you're not doing any of that. So it makes sense that all of those functions would shut down. What's interesting is that there is this kind of leaning over to the left side of the brain where you see more deactivation, because that's where all the language centers are. And so it's interesting because in both cases, she was speaking, she was talking, she was using language, but clearly the way she was using language is different. It's different if you're in your normative consciousness. And having a conversation, right? Because that involves thinking, planning, [00:32:00] organizing your thoughts, listening to the other person, interpreting what's being said versus allowing the words to just move through you, where there's no internal narrative or sort of structure around that.

Will: just to make sure that I understand, cause I can be really thick about this stuff, but that slide was when she was channeling Adriana. We all know that Adriana is her main spirit guide. And as you got deeper into it, she, there was less activity in the brain, which makes sense because she's stepping out of the way, as she mentioned before, and allowing Adriana to come through.

So that, that makes sense to me now on the bottom below, right? Because there's another part of that slide where it is highlight on EU or something like that. And talk to us about that.

Dr Tarrant: Well, the only reason that I kind of put that on there at all is just because. The cuneus is you can kind of see it's high. Well, you can barely see it. It's kind of hidden just a little bit, but it's at the very back of [00:33:00] the brain. And so you can see the blues, the really deep blues at the very back.

So I was highlighting just a specific area of the brain called the cuneus. And the reason I did that is because on the top images, you really can't see it very well because we're looking at the surface on those top images and the cuneus is a deeper brain region that we're able to look at with this special imaging technique.

And I highlighted that because that was one of the areas that decreased activity the most. And so one of the things that's interesting about that is, one of the things the cuneus is involved in is visual processing. And so again, it's kind of like that language thing, I think, right.

That, when we're have engaged in a normal conversation, we're hanging out even if my eyes are open. We're still seeing things in our head. We're getting pictures in our mind. We're imagining things, especially if our eyes are closed, you're laying in bed before you go to sleep, you're getting pictures in your mind, you're [00:34:00] thinking about things, you're remembering things that are visual.

It's an active process. So, again, to me what it suggests is that whatever kind of visual information Jennifer was getting when she was channeling, it wasn't conscious, right? Like that whole thing just kind of shut off.

Karen & Will: Nothing to do with her. Like she wasn't creating that.

Dr Tarrant: that would be my interpretation.

Will: Yeah. I love that, Jennifer. What thoughts? Wow. Right.

Jennifer: And when he first showed me these and was walking me through it, he said, So here, where'd you go? And I'm like, that's what I want to know. Where do I go? Where is the me that's sitting here talking to you right now? Where do I go? Because I really I really do my best to not interfere whatsoever and to not have my own thoughts.

And when I do have the thoughts I absolutely observe them because I know that it is kind of getting into the mix, especially if I'm channeling with someone else. I don't want to interrupt what's coming through. Right. So, yeah [00:35:00] that, that was my question too, is like where did I go?

Will: Dr. Tart, where did she go? Can you map that?

Dr Tarrant: I wish yeah, I, there's a lot of things I wish I could do that the technology hasn't figured it out yet, so, okay.

Jennifer: I don't remember every detail that is discussed, but I do remember it's if I were just observing a conversation,

Karen & Will: And does it, do you hear actual words in your head or is it just like a annoying, like

Jennifer: it depends on what I'm doing. So in what we were doing there was trans channeling. And so, no, I hear it as it's coming out of my mouth, like really like an observer, I don't control it and I don't know what's going to be said until it's said. said. And so I'm [00:36:00] that's it. I'm an audience in that way.

In some cases there are other times where I hear, and then I will share that, sometimes I'm channeling someone that's not my team, or if it's another spirit or someone, a loved one, or even a friend. Animals or, you know, I'll hear, trees, I mean, I will hear, and then I have to go, okay, I heard that, and then I will and then I'll say it back but I when I'm doing this type of channeling work, it really is, and I, I tell people that all the time, I have no idea what's going to be said, the vulnerability that's involved in that, I, yeah.

That's my biggest, it's my biggest challenge really is, I don't control it and so I always want everything to be set, that's said to be, aligned with my integrity and truthful and, beautiful and all of those things and once it's out of my mouth, yeah.

Will: That's gotta be.

Karen & Will: You're [00:37:00] channeling something.

Dr Tarrant: Yeah, I don't think you can blame that on channeling your highest self. I don't think that's

Will: Come on, Doc. Throw me a bone. It's the

Karen & Will: newest

Jennifer: there's a difference if the ego gets involved in there sometimes too,

Karen & Will: right?

Jennifer: That's what has to stay in check during the tuneling is, is the ego.

Will: Well, then you Doctor, you also had Jennifer, not just Channel Andreana, you also had her do some other things, and we've got another slide that we'll go to now if that seems right to you.

Dr Tarrant: can be relatively brief Jennifer switched from channeling Adriana to more of an angelic being that and Jennifer, you can correct me, but it's kind of part of her team of guides, helpers, whatever the right term is. Is that fair,

Jennifer: Yep, that's right.

Dr Tarrant: so the reason I was saying we don't need to linger on this too long is because actually the images are pretty similar. If you look at this and you look at the other one, the patterns are similar, it's a huge decrease. This one actually looks like there's maybe a little bit of increased decrease.

That doesn't make sense. There's a,

Karen & Will: was thinking that there

Dr Tarrant: A [00:38:00] stronger

Karen & Will: was more or less.

Dr Tarrant: Yeah. Yeah. There's more or less, there's a strong, a stronger decrease of activity. Which may or may not be relevant. But the other thing that I wanted to highlight on the bottom on this one was I'm looking at gamma activity and gamma is the fastest brain wave that we measure and it's involved in lots of different things.

But at a real basic level, it's. got the closest connection to blood flow of any of the brain waves. So when there's more gamma, there tends to be more blood flow, less gamma, less blood flow. So those areas are shut down. And so again, I highlighted a couple of the areas that showed up strongly. And, there's the occipital lobe again, the back of the head, the visual processing.

So not a big surprise because we saw that with Adriana. But then also the inferior parietal lobe, you can see the little wings kind of on the back quadrants of the brain and then the posterior cingulate, which is a deeper structure kind of in the middle and, toward the back central of the brain.

And those two areas are really important in this case [00:39:00] because both the inferior parietal and the posterior cingulate. Are major parts of something called the default mode network in the brain and the default mode network primary job is creating a sense of identity. kind of like the physical structure of our ego.

So how we define ourselves, who we are, how we see ourselves, how we see ourselves in connection with the rest of the world. so you see these like basically shutting down. And so I think that's really relevant. It's also a similar pattern to what you see with people when they're in a psychedelic state is that the default mode network shuts down, it gets out of the way so that you can open up to larger possibilities.

So I thought that was pretty cool.

Will: Very cool. Very cool. So that posterior. Cingulate to me, surprisingly close to where people believe the

Dr Tarrant: pineal gland.

Will: thank you. Yes. The plan, right. Good. Could that possibly be the mythical pineal gland in action right there?

Dr Tarrant: I don't think [00:40:00] so. Uh, The pineal gland is going to be a little bit deeper. And I really can't get close enough with this kind of imaging. To see the penial, that's a question that always comes up, can you see the penial going in? It's well, not really, it's a little too deep for this kind of imaging.

And so, but I do think sometimes we can get a, what's the word that I want? A proxy of what's going on with the penial gland, but from right at the center, so dead square in the center of the crown I think sometimes when we're seeing interesting activity there. It may be related to pineal gland activity.

Will: Okay. That's pretty cool. I'm sorry. I'm geeking

Dr Tarrant: got a cool job, it's a,

Will: do have a cool job. Yeah. All right.

Karen & Will: Okay. Ha, German people.

Will: All right. Well, the next slide, next picture is a photo of Jennifer working with someone else with the same little shower caps on.

Dr Tarrant: Yeah. They're [00:41:00] matching, they have matching shower caps. And so what we were doing here was, so this was the second time Jennifer came up and we decided to focus on healing. And we did two different sessions with the same person. And so this was a friend of mine who volunteered to participate and, she did have some stuff that she wanted to work on.

And so that was great. we did two different sessions. One that was, and maybe Jennifer could describe them but one was more of a channeling healing or that's what I'm calling it. And one was a more of a hands on, energy healing with volunteer on the massage table.

Jennifer, I don't know if you wanted to say more about that.

Jennifer: No, that's really what it was. The first was Adriana and my guides were speaking with her and talking with her about some of her emotional challenges, some of which were linked to some of her physical challenges, some things that were going on in her physical body, and so, we very quickly kind of got to it and so we spent a little bit of time just.

In it's kind of like talk therapy, really, but coming from just extraordinarily beautiful [00:42:00] beings who have some insight that I'd certainly don't right? And

Will: an extraordinary counselor right there.

Jennifer: Yeah. Yeah. So, so we spent, I don't know, maybe 10 minutes doing that, maybe longer, it could be 10 minutes. It could be 10 hours. I never know when I'm in, you know, when I'm inside, but we spent some time doing that with her and then, yeah, we, we did some physical body work and that was energy work, which was focused on her.

It was cranial sacral work, predominantly focused on her head and her neck. And then also some on her leg where she had a a tumor removed many years ago and was having some challenges in that area also. And so in both of those instances, My my work when we do that is again to stay out of the way and so I don't really know where my hands are going to go.

I just get very still and I listen and my hands were just guided right to the spots that that they needed to be, which was great. It was great because a lot of times I don't get this kind of [00:43:00] feedback from people but because we were able to monitor it and she was also just so gracious to give feedback directly afterwards and to be honest about her experience, which is, really important.

She, she wrote, a really nice summary of the experience. So that was helpful for me also, because My job is to stay out of the way. And so if I'm overthinking it, if I'm over trying to determine what's going on in someone's body, if I start to focus really too much on, okay, we want to heal this person because they're their own best healer, right?

It's not me healing them. I'm allowing the energy to travel through me. But if I start to overthink it, then we lose the energy. And so, my job really was to stay out of the way. And so Dr. Tarrant was measuring that. And also did in addition to the EEG, there was some kind of a biometric something, something did.

I don't remember what that was, but

Dr Tarrant: Yeah. That actually is the technical term for uh, what we're doing.

Jennifer: Yeah,[00:44:00]

Dr Tarrant: yeah, we were using it. It's a device. I actually don't have the results with me right now, but it's called a bio well, and you may have come across it, but you know, you're basically, it's like using curly and photography on. The fingertips, all 10 of the fingertips to sort of extrapolate more about the energy flow in the body.

And it's still a technique I'm still trying to get used to. So, but we did a before and after. For our volunteer on that. so I still need to dig into those results a bit more to see if there's anything interesting there.

Will: it's not like we have a shortage of interesting results to go through. So, all right, so then the next slide. Which I'm going to put up right now this was healing, right? Healing vibes.

Dr Tarrant: Yeah, this was the, so this was from the first part of that healing, right? The channeling healing where it was more conversational or, talk therapy ish. And, I use a different software system to analyze the data, which is why the little head maps [00:45:00] look a little different.

But the color coding is similar. Sort of so really what we're looking at here is the percent change the percent difference of the brainwaves So if you look at the little Keys underneath each of the head maps they're different for each of the brainwaves, Depending on how much things changed so the color coding means slightly different things But of course the brighter colors mean there was an increase of activity and the cooler colors mean there was a decrease of activity so what was interesting here is This was very different than what we saw with just the straight channeling.

 Where with the straight channeling, and that's what I'm going to call it, just hopefully to make it clear from the first experiment, everything decreased, but when healing was involved, there was actually an increase of activity and it was especially focused in the faster brainwaves. So, if you look down in that, the bottom row, high beta, gamma and high gamma, these are really fast brainwaves.

And if you look at the keys underneath them, they were increasing up to [00:46:00] 95%, 96%,

Karen & Will: Wow. Good God.

Dr Tarrant: Yeah, that's that. That's a ridiculous increase of activity, right? And it's in these really fast brain waves. So it's interesting because, maybe this is the physical way that we measure things that we say are high vibration.

Because literally, this is the fastest we can measure the brain. And, again, what's kind of cool is it's showing up again where at the back of the head is the strongest. So this more visual. activity. So again, I don't know exactly what it means, but what I would wonder is that increase of activity back there related to somehow seeing whatever you want to think about that clairvoyantly or in some other sensory way, seeing what's happening during the healing process, right?

And engaging with that in a way that's obviously very different from just hanging out and having a conversation.

Will: Jennifer, this must be incredibly validating for you because I as a lay person can totally see the changes in your brain when you are channeling and just [00:47:00] stepping out of the way. And then to where you were channeling, but then healing where you're stepping out of the way, but something or someone, something's coming through you and raising, you can clearly see the differences.

And that to me, I mean, doc, you say there's not proof, but come on, how much more proof would someone need? Yeah. incredible!

Karen & Will: It really is.

Dr Tarrant: Yeah, it's

Jennifer: anecdotally when I'm working with people, they'll, it's, they'll sometimes express what's going on. And that's wonderful. And also to be able to see this and say, okay, I do see that there's something that's actually happening here. that is pretty significant has been it's validating, I guess, is the word for me.

Although I, the more work that I do, the less doubt that I have that this is truly a gift that I'm so grateful to have been given.

Will: Of course. And what a gift. Not just that you got, but the gift that Dr. Tarrant is giving [00:48:00] us in giving us the validation, mate. This is, Doc, you are, performing a service, not just to Jennifer, which is a huge for her, but for humanity, for us to be able to see with our own eyes that there is something absolutely happening here.

So thank you for that

Karen & Will: service. There's so many people

Will: that are going through this

Karen & Will: thinking that they're losing their minds or that they're imagining it or that this can't be real. I mean, this is fantastic

Will: for them. Yeah, absolutely. All right. We got a couple more slides before we're done. I want to let's go through that as quick as we can.

Here's the next one.

Dr Tarrant: Okay, so this was when Jennifer transitioned over to the massage table. So the volunteer was laying on the massage table and Jennifer described it as more craniosacral ish right now, kind of putting hands on and moving to where she was guided. And it's interesting because again, we see this increase of activity, not quite as dramatic as before.

If you look at the percentages, but you know, it's still increasing about 50 percent more than baseline, which again, especially with gamma is a [00:49:00] lot, that's a huge increase. And, but this time it's up in the frontal lobes. so to me, this is all really interesting because it's like, what does all this mean?

And it's well, I don't know exactly, but. One of the things, so of course the frontal lobes, we talked before about it being involved in analysis and executive functioning. And obviously I don't think that's what's going on here, but the frontal lobes are also involved in focused attention, So if you're putting all of your attention in one spot, then those frontal lobes are going to light up. And so it could be possibly some of that. It could have something to do with. however the process works for Jennifer, but for me, one of the things that I think is really important to note is that clearly the brain it's shifting dramatically and it's shifting dramatically differently, depending on what kind of work Jennifer's doing in that moment.

And so I think it points out that even within one gifted medium psychic that, it's not just one thing that's going on. It depends on what you're doing and how you're engaging [00:50:00] that, the brain may shift very differently depending on what the exact skill is.

Will: Wow.

Jennifer: You know what I think is also interesting about this is that we received feedback from the person that I was working with, and I'm just going to read it to you because I think this is where it gets even more interesting and there's more discovery that we can do, but she said, In this one little part, she said, during this portion of this, the session, I would become aware of my body and notice the intense activation I was experiencing.

My whole body was buzzing, tingling, and feeling very light. Temperature fluctuations kept happening, but my inner core stayed really warm while my skin felt cool and activated. I could feel myself subtly swaying, moving energy through me.

Karen & Will: my gosh.

Jennifer: so I'm feeling what's going on in my body.

She's feeling what's going on in her body and this energy is just like swirling around, right? And then the brain's doing what it's doing. So I just, it's so beautiful.

Will: it is [00:51:00] beautiful. And doc, thank you so much for adding the little noses and ears. So I know what's front and what's back. That's what got me first. Okay, I totally get it now. So yes, it's pretty obvious. I mean, it's really cool to see the, I mean, I know it, it it's just so exciting for me because this is the kind of stuff that I've been looking for, right?

The molder from the XFiles type, I want to believe, but here is, even Scully can see it , right? There's no doubt. There's no doubt here. Yeah. so we've got one more slide I wanna go through and then we'll we'll go back to our conversation. But this one. Really, when I saw this one, I was like, what?

This one's really interesting. Cause it actually talks about that section of the brain that you talked about in your presentation that I'm really excited to hear you talk about here in our show.

Dr Tarrant: Yeah, so the third time that Jennifer came up because, there's always so many different fun experiments to do. So Jennifer was talking about that. Sometimes she kind of engages in the channeling through more of an automatic writing process where she'll sit at the computer or write things out and just start [00:52:00] writing, but it's not coming from her, right?

It's it's coming from one of her guides. so it was like, well, let's try that. So again we did a baseline of just having her type right about whatever, I don't remember what the content was, just something using your, your regular normal normative consciousness, and then do the channeling and compared the two.

so here again, there's a different pattern, And this time there's this huge decrease of activity. And that same spot in the back of the head. again, if you look at the fast brainwaves, the gamma and those, they decreased up to 90%. So it's interesting because on the one during healing.

They were increasing by 97, 98 percent and now they're decreasing by 90%. That's a huge swing, right?

Will: It speaks again to, stepping back. Yeah. And what's going on versus stepping forward and healing or, I mean, that's, yeah, that's.

Dr Tarrant: I think it does and, not to get too far into the conversation, but it's interesting too, that you see that a lot of [00:53:00] those little blue. Areas of decreased activity are kind of leaning over to the right, if you can see that.

Will: Yep. Yep. Absolutely.

Dr Tarrant: so it's really getting close to an area that we talk about called the God spot.

it's not the official term, but there's an area, but there's enough, there's an area of the brain that that's right there that has to do with boundaries between self and others. so when you shut that down, what seems to happen is that it makes it easier to connect. To information or energies outside of yourself, right?

Like you got to get rid of the boundaries. You got to get rid of the ego boundaries so that you can reach out. And so I suspect that there's actually a piece of that action happening there as well.

Karen & Will: Wait, so that's where I need to th whack. You will.

Will: Well, yes. Back of the head first.

Dr Tarrant: Yeah. Yeah. If you're gonna, if you're a thwack wheel, that's where you want to hit them right here.

Karen & Will: I need 'em right there.

Will: But then second. Do you this is that is such a profound thing that you're seeing right here [00:54:00] with that part of the brain deals with boundaries. So we've talked a lot about we are all one, right? We're all part of a bigger hole. And this seems to prove that what we need to do is reconnect.

With our collective for things to like this to come through, losing our identity and becoming bigger than we are in order to, I mean, oh my God, I mean, I am giddy. This is crazy.

Jennifer: know what's amazing about this and why I really wanted Dr. Tarrant to do the work while I'm writing is because I've been writing this kid show for a long time, right? And I'm channeling a lot of it. And I really wanted to be able to say what's going on because it's, this has been a lifelong goal of mine, right?

To write this show. And now it's coming out in different ways than I ever thought imaginable. And I'm channeling a lot of it. And it's challenging for me because it's not what I thought it would be. And I'm seeing new [00:55:00] characters come out of nowhere and I'm reading them the same way as when I'm sitting in a channeling session and I'm hearing something come out of my mouth.

And so the, it's been really strange process for me. And also something I'm really excited about because the way that the. Information is coming through. It's all about what you just said. Well, it's all about unity consciousness. It's all about love. It's all about kindness and empathy and understanding and being with each other and being instead of doing and, all of the things that the shows for kids.

And I think this is the most important thing we could be teaching Children. But that's type of stuff that's coming through when I'm channeling the show now and it's been a heck of a couple of years process because you know so far and then it'll stop and that's the one thing because I don't control this.

living a life of surrender here because there are times where it's like I'm writing writing, writing, and then it just comes to a complete halt and that'll happen for months [00:56:00] and I'll recognize. Oh, well, I had to learn something else. There was something that came in that I had to me personally had to work through and I, I had to understand more of my own journey before I could continue on and get more information.

So I'm being kind of spoon fed from the universe, and from source some of this really beautiful information, but I don't control the timing of it either. So

Karen & Will: how challenging that must be, especially if this has been a dream that you've had for so long. And you've kind of had an idea and now you're kind of out of control of it.

Jennifer: I came up with the idea 12 years ago and I've always known it's one of the reasons I'm on this planet is to write this show. And so, now it's a it's something I didn't see coming. I never imagined it to be what it is right now.

Will: Divine timing. Oh my gosh. But I got literal full body chills as you were talking about that unity consciousness and stuff. that is absolutely what's happening here.

And we really, [00:57:00] Some of my favorite books, Conversations with God, Oneness, oh, they were all channeled works. And that is spectacular. So I can only imagine this kids show is going to be something else. I cannot wait to see it.

you've done this same mapping thing with other people have you found the same types of results with, that they're consistent across others as well?

Dr Tarrant: Yes and no that's the kind of answer you want. Right.

Will: Well, I can I can answer for you. The ones that you did get the same results were the legit ones. The ones that you didn't were the fakers, right? That's what you're going to say.

Dr Tarrant: not exactly. I've actually had the good, well, I've had the good fortune of the vast majority of the mediums and psychics that I've worked with are very highly skilled. And so. I've been lucky in that regard or whatever, right? Divine timing. They, however it worked out, but So that godspot thing like that shows up a lot particularly with mediums It shows up frequently not a hundred [00:58:00] percent but a lot we also see some of that frontal lobe activation in certain states, especially more psychic states that shows up pretty consistently.

The occipital lobe shows up a lot in different ways but it varies. Sometimes it decreases activity. Sometimes it increases. And so what I suspect is that there are certain brain regions that are important in this work, but how the medium or the psychic shifts their brain in order to open up varies.

It depends on how their brain works at baseline, right? Because all of our brains are different. Right now. So why would we all shift them the exact same way? So I think what happens is everybody has to find their own path to get the brain shifted so that it can receive whatever the frequencies are.

And that might look a little different even though there are certain regions that seem to be pretty consistent,

Karen & Will: Have you found any difference between people who [00:59:00] have just

Will: grown and developed

Karen & Will: their psychic abilities on their own

Will: versus people who have had an accident, a head

Karen & Will: injury and developed psychic abilities that way?

Dr Tarrant: not so far, but I probably don't have a big enough sample to sort of know that for sure. I've probably mapped, I don't know, 20 different mediums at this point. But even that is not enough, right? Because there's so much variability because a lot of people will say, oh, I started doing this when I was 5 years old.

And then maybe they also had an accident when they were in their twenties or something. And so it's kind of like, well, what do you do with that? Right. Or some people who had abilities and then they spent, six years of intense training to develop their abilities. It's well, that's, that might be different than somebody that just has just figured it out.

Right. As they've been kind of going along, who knows.

Jennifer: Think a lot of Children have these abilities naturally right and then are conditioned out of the program out of them and I know with my own experience, I'm channeling Adriana is my main guide who was my sister in this lifetime. And I was eight [01:00:00] when she was born and she was 11 when she crossed over and she never spoke.

She had a lot of physical challenges and she had no eyes. She had hydrocephalus. She had a lot of, a lot of physical challenges. And I spoke with her telepathically. And I just thought that was natural. I didn't recognize that, not everybody was able to communicate with someone else with their, without words, with their mind.

And

I really just thought that was normal. I think that when we look at abilities of Children, especially, we see that we come in with a lot of these abilities. And then as we are kind of conditioned and programmed through our childhood, we start layering on trauma and all the things that happen to us.

It, it takes us out of our most natural innate abilities. And so, I do think that it's something that we can get back to though, certainly without having to have a big bonk on the head. I

Karen & Will: Yeah.

Will: Yeah. It's a fine line between a a van hitting you in the street and a death experience.

Karen & Will: Yeah. But now I'm curious, doctor, have you mapped any [01:01:00] children? Like how's, how young is the youngest person who, whose brain you've mapped?

Dr Tarrant: At this point for this work probably the youngest person was 13 years old. Yeah. And but they're also nonverbal autistic and so it kind of goes a little bit, I think, to what Jennifer was saying, because I've, I've had the opportunity to measure three different nonverbal autistic individuals who are 100 percent telepathic with their primary caregiver, and I think their abilities are partly due to the fact that they don't use verbal language.

And so they don't have that barrier. I think the verbal language is actually a barrier. It inhibits our ability to tap into certain kinds of information because it's anytime we use language the way that we normally use language, it's limiting information.

So I always use this example, right? Like how many world religions say you can't describe God, you can't talk about God because as soon as you say anything about God.

You've limited God.

Will: Yep. Pretty much all of them.[01:02:00]

Dr Tarrant: pretty much all of them. It's like chapter one of the Tao Te Ching, right?

Will: Lot of the betas too.

Dr Tarrant: Right, for sure. And so, but I think it's a good lesson with other things too, because anytime we talk about something we've limited it. And so, I suspect that folks who don't have, either aren't born with the sort of, what we would say is sort of natural language ability, they might be more telepathic for longer just because that's, it's more, there's nothing to get in the way.

Will: have you mapped regular people that have no psychic abilities at all? Cause I'm, I've always wanted to go to Oregon,

Dr Tarrant: Oh, yeah. Yeah. I I mean, I've been mapping brains for 25 years, but it was all in sort of mental health kind of, perspective. So,

Will: Have you mapped someone who for sure has absolutely no psychic ability? Cause like I said, I'm, I would, I'm, I love Oregon and I,

Dr Tarrant: I'll tell you what, come out here and visit. We'll map your brain and then we'll zap your God spot. See if it doesn't turn something [01:03:00] on.

Karen & Will: And I'll thwack him if it

Will: doesn't work. Wait. The one two punch. No, hang on. Can you elaborate on zap my brain, my godspot? Because that doesn't sound very fun at all. I'm sure it does. I'm against electroshock therapy, just so we're clear.

Dr Tarrant: Yeah, I probably should use more more specific scientific language. But so you can, and there's actually lots of research with this of using things like repetitive transcranial magnetic stimulation You can pulse slow brainwave frequencies into the brain to temporarily shut things down. And so actually a study just came out recently where they did this with this is a research study that was published. And a peer review journal, they applied our TMS to the left prefrontal cortex and then had people do telekinesis activities and they were much more successful when they shut down the left frontal lobe.

so we know that we can kind of shift the brain. And kind of get it out of the way so that people can access this stuff [01:04:00] more easily.

Will: guess that's the same general principle, but different from the binaural beats kind of thing where you use different wavelengths in each ear to activate a certain part of the brain.

Dr Tarrant: Yeah. Similar but different. This is a little more specified and binaural beats and the, and other kinds of entrainment technologies are usually just increasing something, right? You're adding to but with other tech, you can suppress activity as well.

Will: Holy smokes guys, this has been fascinating and we have just scratched the surface and that is literally the. biggest on the nose statement I have made in the show in three years of doing it.

There's so much more to this, but what you have shared with us today is so truly earth shattering for me specifically, that I just can't imagine now going back to life the way it was before we talked. It's incredible. Thank you.

Dr Tarrant: Look, we've changed your life.

Will: You can. Yes. Yes, you [01:05:00] have. And if you're listening or watching this show and this has touched you as much as has touched me love to hear from you.

Let us know what you think about this. Is it, does it make sense? It can you punch any holes in it? Is there, do you want to go to Oregon with me? Right? There's so much to talk about this. I really would like to hear your thoughts because if it touched me tremendously, I'm sure it must have touched many people out there right now as well. Doc, Jennifer, thank you so much for coming on the show. We are honored and thrilled to have had you to be able to share your results with the world. And I know that this is just the beginning. So thank you for what you're both doing. So

Karen & Will: grateful. Absolutely.

Dr Tarrant: Thank you both. Appreciate it.

Jennifer: Yeah. Thank you. And thank you for the universe conspiring with us because it's great to be back with you. I

Will: And a huge thank you to you. If you know someone who would benefit from hearing the message we're sharing on the show, do them and us a favor and share the show with them.

It will help get the word out about us and it might just change someone's life for the better. [01:06:00] Well, that's all for now, but we'll see you on the next episode of The Skeptic Metaphysician. Until then, take care.