Transforming Chronic Suffering in Just 28 Minutes

Karen & Will: Karen. Yes. Do you think a person can use their mind, just their mind to free themselves from chronic pain?

Brandy: I can pick

Karen & Will: Uh, actually I do. You do? I do. Well, then what if I told you that it could be done in under 28 minutes?

What? No, I mean, please, because I have chronic pain. I believe people can do it. I don't believe I can do it. Well, then once, once again, Karen, you are in luck because today's guest is pioneering a new new breakthrough research and achieving incredible healing results that are capturing the attention of researchers, doctors, and scientists worldwide.

28 minutes. Okay. But hang on before this episode is done, we're going to learn just what this new research is, what the actual results were and how. She was able to achieve these mind blowing results. If you're looking for a way to relieve yourself from chronic pain fast, then this might just be the episode for you.

Here we go. Welcome to the Skeptic Minute Positions. [00:01:00] Hey there, I'm Will. And I'm Karen. And it may seem physically impossible to relieve chronic pain in minutes using only the mind. But our guest today has been able to consistently demonstrate how to do this. And she's even filmed in documented these results under medical thermal imaging.

So, you know, it's right up my alley. Wow. This is perfection incarnate due to these groundbreaking discoveries. Her work has been featured in the health medical journal. She's been invited to deliver a [00:02:00] TEDx talk and even appeared in a bunch of documentaries. And her new book, master your mind and energy to heal your body.

She shares. The key to unlocking these results, providing readers with profound clarity and understanding of self healing that is mind expanding and even fills in the gaps so that mind body healing can make logical sense. Are you Transcribed Hearing a pattern emerge here. I'm hearing a pattern and I want the book already.

Oh, well, hang on. In fact, her book has been given rave reviews by people you definitely recognize, like Sharon Stone. Oh. Huh. And Jack Canfield from the Chicken Soup for the Soul series. Yeah. And the foreword to her book, Was written by none other than renowned neurologist, Dr. David Perlmutter, who is a five time New York times bestseller.

Wow. We know this person is legit. We're definitely among one of the greats in the field and it gives me great pleasure. To be able to introduce Brandy [00:03:00] Gilmore to the show. Brandy, holy crap. Am I excited about this conversation? Well,

Brandy: You guys are so much fun. I can hang out with you guys all day.

Karen & Will: we're going to hold you to that because you know, we can go a long time.

Brandy: Oh, we only

Karen & Will: even more if I'm pain free. All right. Well, we have a lot to talk about because looking at you and if you're only, Listening to the show. You should probably go to our YouTube page and check her out because she looks incredibly, she's a beautiful woman. She's incredibly statuesque. You would never know that not long ago, you suffered from a debilitating accident that actually laid you out in a very big way, right?

Brandy: Yeah, yeah, I was quite a mess. And if somebody had told me that I could release my pain in 28 minutes or even less, or any of that, I would have probably, honestly, initially taken offense to it. I would have thought, they don't understand that [00:04:00] I have physical injuries. I would have thought that it was impossible.

And I think, you know, one of the breakthrough things during my injury that really opened my eyes was the awareness of multiple personality disorder, that a person could literally have one illness, pain or ailment in one personality and a completely different illness or pain or ailment in a different personality, you know, but the same physical body.

And I thought, how is this even possible? And there was even this research study. of a woman who was blind in some personalities, medically blind, confirmed EEG. I know! In some personalities, but not others. And I thought, I need a healthy personality.

Karen & Will: So you just go through your Rolodex and go this one today. Kind of reminds me of you about phantom limbs. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And they still feel that limb, but your mind is like, Yeah.

Brandy: I was a bit cynical and I thought, okay, great. Because, you know, [00:05:00] people with amputees, They have 80 to 90 percent chance of still having pain. And as I was researching all of this, I thought to my, at the time, as I was reaching, researching, I thought, great, so I could amputate my body and there's still an 80 to 90 percent chance I'd still have pain. So then when I found multiple personality disorder, I was a bit more excited. And I do have absolute compassion on a serious note for anybody who has it, but that's my truth. I mean, I was, when doctors said that they couldn't heal me and then I started looking at the placebo and the nocebo and then multiple personality disorder.

I mean, that was, it really, and then energy of the body. I mean, it literally just started unfolding as, and everything was pointing at the mind as having the answer.

Karen & Will: But before we go there, cause that you, you're to put in the cart before the horse, right? I want it to, I want to really kind of lay down exactly how it was for you because there were times where you couldn't even get up out of bed. You use wheelchairs and walkers when you were [00:06:00] in really, really bad shape.

So the pain you were experiencing was something I can completely understand why you'd be offended with someone say, Oh, you can just, it's, you know, just clear it up with your mind. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Absolutely. So, to walk us through from the moment you realize that you were living with this chronic pain that was going to be with you for a while to the point where you found your way to who you are now, because you certainly don't look like someone who's suffering from chronic pain now.

Brandy: Thank God I've been out of pain for a lot of years, 14 years now. So my, my accident was back in oh three. And so basically a long story short, I used to do network engineering and operations, and at that time I had a. An accident and technically two accidents. I had a car accident and then a fall and I fell just wrong.

Just right. However you want to say it, but I literally went from living a full life to being wheelchair Walker Cain, having a neurological disorder. Doctor's telling me I had, you know, all kinds of issues, spinal [00:07:00] implant fractures, CRPS, which is complex regional pain syndrome. Yeah, I was a mess. And my whole life turned upside down.

I mean, on, on a good day, I could get out, get around with my wheelchair, Walker or cane on a bad day. I didn't make it out of bed. I had a lot of bad days. It was on morphine for over six and a half years. I mean, I was an absolute mess. And basically when they told me there was nothing that they could do and they were doing, you know, nerve ablations and infusions and injections and all of that.

You know, I tried the traditional route of then the supplements and the diet and that wasn't working in the acup, like all of the this and the that, and, you know, all of the things. And it wasn't working and I just started looking further and further outside of the box and I was doing the meditation and the visualization and the believing I was already healed because I thought initially that it was all about the power of belief.

Karen & Will: Hmm.

Brandy: And what was, that was fascinating because I thought, you know, okay, well, I see the placebo. [00:08:00] I see everything pointing to the mind. And I thought, well, I just have to believe. And I was trying and visualizing and all of the things, and it wasn't working for like years. And then I found something called the open label placebo, which is where both the doctor and the patient both know it's fake.

So it's open label, they both know, and it still works. And I thought, well, wait a second.

Karen & Will: What? How?

Brandy: I know, so I was like, I felt like duped. I was sitting here believing all this time and it wasn't working. No wonder why it wasn't working. It was more than belief. And that's what led me to say, okay, look, I just need to understand the medical journals. And I started tearing through every single medical journal I could find just trying to figure out how to heal.

Karen & Will: Okay. So wait a second. Are you telling me that the way that you were able to get beyond pain and in fact, the way that you recommend people get beyond pain within [00:09:00] 28 minutes is just to have you and your doctor believe that the pill you're taking, which is just a sugar pill is going to do the trick.

Brandy: No, that's what I'm saying. It didn't work like

Karen & Will: Okay, okay, good, good, good.

Brandy: No, no, no, no, no. What I'm saying is I thought it was all about belief. And so I was trying to believe and believe and believe and believe and believe and it wasn't working. And then I found something called the open label placebo, which is exactly like it sounds.

It is a placebo that is open label. Both the doctor and the patient both know it's a fake pill and it still can work. So it's not all about belief. And that opened my eyes to say, I have to understand more.

Karen & Will: okay. So, Bandy, I have to understand more. I believe it.

Brandy: And I think, but everybody needs to understand more because I think that there were certain pivotal awarenesses, if you [00:10:00] will, that really.

Open my eyes that it is beyond meditation. It is beyond just believing it is to create a real change We really do have to rewire our subconscious mind at a deeper level and that's the key

Karen & Will: Don't look now, but it looks like there's a raccoon behind you. I just He's like

Brandy: I did notice that he decides

Karen & Will: ears to you.

Brandy: If I don't pet him he decides he's going to pet himself with me

Karen & Will: He believes that you're petting him. Uh, I totally understand and relate to the cat cause I'm the same way with Karen. All the time. All the time.

Brandy: But it works, so I guess.

Karen & Will: rubs up against me. So annoying. Uh,

Brandy: You guys are so cute. I just love, you guys are just a beautiful couple. Just so

Karen & Will: you. Thank you so much. You are as well. We were having [00:11:00] such a great time. We can tell right away as soon as you logged on, this is going to be fun. So we're excited.

Brandy: Absolutely. So I don't, don't mind my tail, sorry about that. I usually close the office doors and uh,

Karen & Will: It's okay. We are a pet friendly show. No worries.

Brandy: here we go. So this part of the breakthrough was I had been doing all of the meditation and the positive thinking and, and the things, and it wasn't working. And so when I started to really dive in to the medical journals and I said, okay, let me figure out what it is, because I think there was pivotal moments.

And one other pivotal moment for me was this, was that one of my friends, Her aunt was dying from lung cancer during this whole process of my injury and she called me up and said, well, you know, do you want to come say goodbye? She's, you know, she's passing. And so she called me, she came and picked me up and I went.

And as I saw her, she was. You know, in hospice and she was in and out of [00:12:00] consciousness and she had been that way for a few months, you know, in and out of consciousness a lot. And then it's just deep, you know, state. And she had been doing all the positive thinking and the meditations and all of the things also.

And it hit me as I said, bye. I said, you know, it just, it made me realize, you know, that's kind of what I looked like because I was laying there in meditation and visualization and positive, like just trying to, you know, beta state, just trying to get my body to heal itself. And it made me just think, you know, I have to understand this.

And so I started simplifying everything and there were key breakthroughs. And one of them was this, it was looking at the awareness that we've all heard, you know, stress affects the physical body. We've heard that we all know that, but. If I looked at it objectively, I could also see that there were people who were very stressed, even had PTSD and trauma, who weren't sick.

And there were also people who were retired who could be very sick. And [00:13:00] what I began to then figure out was that it was a certain combination of emotions was the key. And so that was pivotal. And it was like an easy way to think about it is, you know, if somebody wants to make cake and you have flour, you can't make cake, but if you have flour and you mix it with other ingredients, then you're going to have cake and if you mix different ingredients, then you have different recipes.

And so that was key and understanding also the different emotions affect the body differently. Just simplifying and saying, okay, well, somebody is embarrassed. Their face turns red. We know that emojis know that on our cell phones, we've got that, you know, a panic attack, racing heart, shortness of breath.

sexual thoughts, sexual physical response. And so we can see different emotions affect the body differently. And so it was really about putting that combination together and understanding that that there are combinations of emotions and then the specific emotions. And that was the key to creating radical results.

Karen & Will: So the emotions is what makes the change, makes a difference.

Brandy: Yes. And

Karen & Will: cake, aren't you?

Brandy: what's that?[00:14:00]

Karen & Will: He's getting emotional about cake now. I mean, I was getting excited. Honestly, you're talking about cake and I'm all in, that's all

Brandy: Well, excitement is good for your health also. And so is optimism. And so I didn't know the cake part though. That

Karen & Will: how could you not? Do you not see me? Look at me. I don't, I do not look like a guy that loves cake. Well, okay, so we have actually heard that the emotions are the trigger to a lot of things and belief by itself doesn't necessarily initiate change, but perhaps belief with emotions connected might actually be, you know, we talk about manifestation, the emotions is the key that makes it, that triggers it to bring it to you, right?

Is that what you're going? for here.

Brandy: I mean, but we can look with so much with emotions because emotions, there's a biochemical response. Also emotions shift our energy. And prior to my research, I thought energy was just a woo woo [00:15:00] thing. Turns out the person who medically discovered energy was actually nominated for a Nobel Prize 11 times and won in Russia.

And most people don't realize it and they still think that energy is just woo woo.

Karen & Will: Really?

Brandy: Really?

Karen & Will: Wow. Okay. We're going to talk offline cause I need to know who this person is and we're going to get, we can look into it. But anyway, so, so yes I can hear that a lot of pragmatists believe that I mean, it's been shown in many different research experiments that, that energy is is real, but I think what you're talking about is the energy that can heal.

That is a little woo.

Brandy: Okay. So, but I mean, it's maybe all the same thing. I mean, not like, I mean, obviously there's like a ATP type of energy, like a carb up type of energy, but energy. So, so it's like this. It's still light energy from the body. So, Alexander Gerswitch, medical scientist, 100 years ago, [00:16:00] 1920s, discovered that our bodies emit bio photons, light energy.

Now technically speaking at the time, he referred to it as mitogenetic radiation. We could geek out and call that, but either way, it's bio photons. And a simple way to think about it is, if we think about a light bulb, it emits particles of light, which are photons. The sun emits particles of light, photons.

Our bodies, or any biological organism, emits light. So little particles of light and they're very faint. The emit particles of light. Now, what's really cool about these particles of light, if we geek out a little bit one of the cool things is that they can influence cellular proliferation and so like cell growth and division and a simple way to think about cell growth and division is if we think about dish soap and we pour water on dish soap and the bubbles um, it proliferates so cell growth division.

So. This light energy can influence that. Or even the fact that research has shown that different illnesses emit different [00:17:00] biophotons. Now what's also cool is this. There is a database. So fast forward, so Alexander Gerswitch was 1920s. Fast forward to current day, there is a database. That is under the NASA agreement that is maintained by the Smithsonian and Harvard.

So ADS astrophysicist database, astrophysics database that is maintained by Harvard and the Smithsonian. And it has current day research studies on bio photons as recent as last couple of weeks. So there's, so we know these bio photons have been proven there's research. And so what's amazing is that they, I mean, so many things I can geek out on them forever, but one thing is really cool.

Is it research suggests that they communicate homeostasis research also shows that suggests that they communicate information throughout the body. Now, some people might say, wait a second, how does light energy communicate information throughout the body? And then if we look [00:18:00] at wifi,

Karen & Will: hmm. Mm hmm.

Brandy: cable optic fiber optics is all light energy.

Karen & Will: That's exactly where it's going to go. Exactly. You get your cable TV right now with light, with fiber optic cables. So yeah, it carries a lot of information. There's no doubt about that. To put that into the framework of a body, of a human body, however, that's a lot more difficult to wrap your head around because it's bio, you It's not necessarily a a well, no, I'm just second guessing myself because it is a natural, natural occurrence is light and the bodies are, is an organic organism.

So that would make sense. What are you going to say? No, just sometimes it's so hard to think about these things occurring naturally. You know, because we're so used to everything being fed to us. This was created. This was made. This is from this computer lab. This is from this. So that's like easy to believe.

But when you think about it occurring naturally or something within your body, it's just for some reason now it's like, Oh, really, how's that possible? Huh? Okay. All right. So we follow.

Brandy: Wait a second. Okay, so, but auras, like if we [00:19:00] think about light energy, so I mean, this energy from the light energy, so, or we think about halo. So the amazing thing is, is this is all kind of shown throughout history angels with the halos and, and, and so, yeah, we emit light energy. And by the way, like I've been in these.

To test them, you have to go into a completely dark room because the light energy is so faint. So it looks like going into a freezer or a vault, like a huge vault door they shut, and you go into this completely pitch black room and then they can test bio photons that come off of your

Karen & Will: Okay. That's kind of cool. Very cool. That is kind of cool. All right. Yeah. That's so cool. Yeah. Oh, okay. So bio photons and how does that relate to easing pain in 28 minutes?

Brandy: Okay. So, well, you were, we were talking about photon or emotions. We were talking about emotions and how emotions can create all kinds of [00:20:00] changes. Well, they can change our biochemistry, but they can also change our bio photons. So there's research studies that show that like, if somebody is experiencing anger, then they can increase bio photon emissions or visualizing white light.

It can create. Increased biophotons out of the right side of the head, but not the left. So there's all of these things. So our minds, there's a direct correlation between EEG and biophoton emissions. Our minds, our emotions change the emissions. It's

Karen & Will: that.

Brandy: incredible. And so the problem is, of course, is a lot of medical research is done on cadavers, which don't emit any light

Karen & Will: photons. Absolutely. In fact, you might like absorb the light. Have you seen a cadaver? I've seen a few.

Brandy: I have not actually seen a cadaver, and you know, I somehow miss, I lack the desire to see a cadaver, Fiona.

Karen & Will: like if, what if, what if it's like a loved one in a casket, is that considered a cadaver? That's a cadaver. Is a cadaver only at like the hospital being contaminated? No, that's a cadaver. That [00:21:00] is a cadaver. Okay. Then

Brandy: This whole conversation went dark kind of

Karen & Will: I know. Pretty. Invisible biophotons. What? That was not me this time. That was not me.

Brandy: Karen, I feel like it was Will.

Karen & Will: It was, Will. No, no, no, no. See, I love her extra. We talked about this. You will not gang up on Will. She is very smart. She is very smart. She is very smart. And yet,

Brandy: and I think we've figured out it was Will.

Karen & Will: Okay, so this is not fair. I don't like this at all. All right, hang on.

I don't expect you to give away all the secrets cause we do want people to pick up your book to get most of those.

However, I really need to know. Okay. We were talking about bio photons and how we emit light and how uh, you're going to connect that with emotions in belief. And how does uh, you you're mixing this wonderful cocktail, now, now I need to take a sip. So go ahead. Let me know.

Brandy: Okay, so, I have a question.

Karen & Will: Oh,

Brandy: Do you want me [00:22:00] to show you? Do you want to, would you like to do that? We could do that. I mean, or we could not. I don't want to put you on the

Karen & Will: no, put me on the spot. I will be on the spot. Spot me.

Brandy: Okay. Great. Let's do it. Let's do it.

Karen & Will: So we don't, we don't have 28 minutes. Can you

Brandy: No, no, no. We could do a lot faster than that. This is from the medical

Karen & Will: that bad of pain.

Brandy: And there was somebody else in the study. There's only 22 minutes, but no, I, I, I, it, I've done it under, under five. I think we could do it under five.

Karen & Will: All right. All right. I'm looking forward to seeing this. Let's go. Let's do it.

Brandy: All right. So where's your pain?

Karen & Will: It's hips, hips and back.

Brandy: So, um, bingo. All right. So give me one second. All right. So I'm just going to check into your energy real quick. All right. So give me one second. Give me one second. All right. [00:23:00] So bingo, bingo. Okay. So if I ask you, bingo. If I ask you to notice, can you find the feeling of feeling like if everybody else isn't happy already that you have a hard time being happy or doing things for yourself? Okay,

Karen & Will: I'm a little bit of an empath.

Brandy: so, uh, bingo. So if I ask you, so there's um, bingo. Okay. So, zero to 10, how much can you find the feeling of guilt for doing things for yourself? Zero to 10. How much can you find that feeling?

Karen & Will: About 43.

Brandy: I was going to go with 12, but yours was bingo. So go ahead. So ask you to breathe. Okay. So, and I'm going to push a little bit. Okay. Wouldn't it be great if your daughter grew up feeling that way too, like guilty for doing things for [00:24:00] herself.

Karen & Will: know. That would be terrible.

Brandy: Okay. That would be terrible. Quickly. Let's not do that. So instead, how would you want her to feel?

Karen & Will: I want her to feel. Exactly as perfect as she is.

Brandy: Great. So if I ask you right now, by the way, zero to 10, what's your level of pain?

Karen & Will: That's about a two.

Brandy: It's about a two. So I'm going to ask you just for a moment to breathe. And I'm going to ask you what it would feel like to be able to do things for yourself without any guilt. Like, what would that even feel like? What would it feel like to be able to not only do things for yourself, but role model for your daughter?

That, hey, yeah, you can do things for yourself and, and for the family. Like, and you can do things for yourself and you really can without feeling guilt.

Karen & Will: Okay, after I stop crying, I will tell you. Oh, that seems impossible to not

Brandy: Okay, so I'm going to ask you to breathe. Okay. And so, Bingo. So I want you to think about exactly that. Doing things for yourself. No guilt. No, none at all. None at all. That you actually, you're [00:25:00] role modeling that. You feel great about that. It's an amazing feeling. So I'm gonna ask you to breathe. Zero to ten.

What's your level of pain?

Karen & Will: Still about,

Brandy: Bingo. Okay, there's also this feeling of uh, there's a trigger to the word selfish. Are you familiar with that? Like if you do, it'll be selfish. Can you find that feeling? And if not, that's okay.

Karen & Will: yeah, I guess I've never, I don't really think of the word selfish. I just think of, Like, for example, my daughter is more important, or your sleep is more important than mine.

Brandy: Okay. Yes. Everybody's more. That makes sense. Everybody is more important than you. And it's going to be so great when your daughter grows up and models that thing with her family, right?

Karen & Will: I mean, I kind of fake it in front of her a little bit.

Brandy: Okay.

Karen & Will: I don't think she realizes, I mean, I don't know.

Brandy: Okay. So I'm going to ask you just for a moment to breathe, but inside, inside, inside, no guilt at all. [00:26:00] No feeling bad about doing things for yourself at all. Bingo. And I'm going to ask you to breathe.

Karen & Will: Okay, am I attached?

Check, check. Hello? Can you hear? Okay. See, that's how guilty I feel. I gotta rip the mic thing.

Brandy: reinforce it, though. Don't reinforce it. I know it's a joke, but you can't. It'll, it'll, It'll undo the direction of it. Um, Bingo. So if I ask you, are you allowed to be happy?

Karen & Will: Yes, I am.

Brandy: 100%?

Karen & Will: Yeah.

Brandy: No guilt?

Karen & Will: For being happy? No.

Brandy: And are you allowed to do things for yourself?

Karen & Will: I'm allowed.

Brandy: So if I ask you to breathe, and 0 to 10, bingo, how much you have a belief in self sacrifice, what would you say? [00:27:00] Okay. Are you willing to change that? I saw your eyes. Very big. Okay. Someone asked you to breathe. Okay. Are you willing to change that? Bingo. Someone asked you just for a moment to breathe. Are you willing to change?

Honestly. Like real change.

Karen & Will: I would like to.

Brandy: Great. Someone asked you to breathe. So are you willing to? Are you willing to? Are you willing to? Someone asked you to breathe. Are you willing to? Are you willing to feel supported? Are you willing to feel supported too? So you guys are supporting each other, and you're willing to feel supported.

And I know Will's already supports you. But taking in that feeling, that you don't have to sacrifice yourself. Just the feeling. Even if it's just a feeling shift. Bingo. And I'm going to ask you to breathe. Bingo. And I want you to notice a level of pain. Zero to ten. What's your level?

Karen & Will: I think about a one.

Brandy: Bingo. That's what it says about, uh, Bingo.

That's what I have is about a 1. 1 right there. And, uh, bingo. [00:28:00] So I'm going to ask you to breathe, and I'm going to ask you to see yourself walking around. Feeling like you're important. Of course, your husband's important. Of course, your daughter's important. And uh, and I'm going to ask you to breathe and you don't feel any guilt.

You don't feel any guilt for feeling happy. You don't feel any guilt for doing things for yourself and doing things for them. You feel supported. You feel great. You're supporting them. They're supporting you. It feels like just this power family and couple and it's incredible. And I'm going to ask you to breathe and you feel very, very, very supported.

And you feel happy. Bingo. And I'm going to ask you to breathe. And notice your level of pain. 0 to 10.

Karen & Will: Like maybe a half.

Brandy: That's what I would say is about a, bingo. That's what I have is about a 6. And so that's ultimately what you want to do is just bring that. So that's what the connect, connector is. Is not feeling guilt and all of that. That makes sense.

Karen & Will: So that was incredible to watch and hear and listen to. And, and I have insight. I mean, I've [00:29:00] always known that, but, but so can you connect the dots with me with the, the bio photons and what you just did? Cause I can tell what you're trying to manipulate, not manipulating, but you are revealing emotions that are trapped inside of her that maybe she was aware of, but wasn't completely in touch with.

You brought them to the t to the surface and tried to get them to be released. But how does that, what does that have to do with bio photons?

Brandy: Okay, so a few things. Okay, so what does that have to do with the bio photo? Okay, so depends on how simple or complex you want to make it. But um, Okay, Okay, I would say this, I would, okay, so I always try to simplify everything. So I think the, let's go with the first, first way to unpack this. It would maybe be, this would be noticed.

There was a combination of emotions. So there was a couple of different pieces, the guilt uh, the emotion. So I would say that um, I would say that our bodies are bio photons are communicating [00:30:00] information throughout the body. So I would say that. Everything is communicated throughout the body. That's another thing.

I would say there's also this, a simple, like a simpler way to put it is, is like this, is if we think about um, if we think about the brain body connection. And we just think about somebody, let's say there's somebody who has a stroke, a right brain stroke can affect the body on the left side, a left brain stroke can affect the body on the right side.

Right. And so I would say that any emotional activity that we feel in the mind, not only can it generate activity, bio photon emissions, all of that, but I would say that there's the brain body connection and ultimately to create healing in the body that we need to transform that. Now that's the simple way to put it.

Because there's a communication that goes throughout our body too. And a simple way to look at and observe the communication is like this, is if we think back to the placebo, one person could take the fake pill and they're told that it's going to help their blood [00:31:00] pressure, and it can't. And another person can take the fake, same fake pill, A different one, but the same type, but not the same one.

That would be weird, but

Karen & Will: Ew, Ew, Ew. I thought Ew. Ew,

Brandy: unless they put it, then it would be nice. So not the baby bird. That, that would be weird,

Karen & Will: Ew. Right.

Brandy: but they can take the same pill and And told that it's going to help their symptoms with IBS and it can. And so if you think about it, clearly there's a communication going on. And that was something that I had wondered during my injuries, how was this communicating information?

And not only that, but then I was able to check in with her body through a form of communication. So getting information. So that's a whole nother thing too.

Karen & Will: And that was something that was not expecting for you. I totally thought you were totally in the sife. scientific realm and you are, but you're also way beyond that. And that's freaking amazing to see. And it was a complete surprise to me. So it made it even better.

Brandy: I [00:32:00] love that. I, yeah, I did. I did kind of mention that I channeled information, but I think you've probably thought I was joking.

Karen & Will: I didn't think you were joking. I thought you were just channeling information in a different way. I,

Brandy: Okay, I get it. I get it. I get it. And that's a thing. Like, so I went from like network engineering and operations and all of the technical stuff. So medical journals were all my thing. And then I healed myself and then my brain opened up with this whole thing. And that was a whole thing.

Karen & Will: And then the bio photons things. I mean, that's kind of where the thermal imaging comes in because you have actually shown this. to be absolutely without a shadow of a doubt by thermal imaging. What did you find when you captured that, those images?

Brandy: Absolutely. And so I would say a simple way to think about thermal imaging, because this is what happened is, is. To kind of put a nut, put it all in a nutshell after I healed myself I thought people are gonna think this is crazy. So then I started showing them how to release pain and [00:33:00] And then I would and then I thought well I have to show it under medical equipment because people are gonna think somebody like Karen is faking it You would look at Karen think she's gorgeous.

She can't be in pain She's looks fantastic and she's you know, and then so I started taking volunteers From the audience and that's but that's what I would do and I thought people are gonna think. Oh, oh I have neck pain, like they're faking it or something. So I had to show it under medical equipment, especially because I was world's biggest skeptic.

And so I would think personally, if somebody said, Oh, wow, my pain is gone, that it's not real. So medical thermal imaging, a simple way to, to understand it is like this. Is it, if we have an infection or a sprained ankle or an injury, it emits heat. And so we can feel sometimes if we put our hand over some type of injury, you can feel heat radiating from it.

And medical thermal imaging detects that at a very advanced level. And so what I've been able to do with that is I'll take somebody who has maybe neck pain. And then under the skin, you'll [00:34:00] see or hip and back pain or whatever type of pain. And you'll be able to see on the scan. All the heat generating from that illness or pain.

And then I'll show people how to use their mind to release it. And you'll see the scan in real time turn green. And, And do, I do want to say though, it is, it's incredible, but I do want to say, you know, obviously we, we did some with yours. You'd really need to follow through all of the way. So I, I, I always tell people with the disclaimer, I make it look ridiculously easy.

It does take a real transformation.

Karen & Will: I'm sure. And that was going to be my next question, but I'm going to let you ask a question first. I was going to ask. So something like that, is it something that you have to continually do now for you or is your pain gone, you've changed your, your, I don't know, mindset belief and you're done, or do you have to kind of give yourself a refresher every once in a while?

Brandy: I am a different person. Like I, I haven't had to refresh or fix my mind programming for 14 [00:35:00] years

Karen & Will: Wow. How did you, How did you learn to do this?

Brandy: I geeked out on all of the, I did first, I did all of the wrong things. And then I started from that doing the right things. Um, I think understanding that the combination of emotions was key. That was something um, understanding also. So we want to go deeper into patterns also. So understanding the consciousness of emotions, understanding that emotions have patterns to them and also control our consciousness.

And so it was also, you know, thinking about. Um, Like if we look at, we know that patterns breed more of the same, we could look at repetition, compulsion or law of attraction or reenactments or attachment theory or re victimization, whatever we want to call it. We can see in psychology, we can see that our patterns breed more of the same or another way to put it is kind of like this is, um. we've all heard simply that, unfortunately, that a woman may have an abusive father and leave him and find the abusive boyfriend, boss, spouse, et [00:36:00] cetera, et cetera. So not only do we have emotional patterns, but we can also have patterns of manifesting. And so basically what I began to do is look at different combination of emotions, understand them, understand how they worked.

And then understand what I needed to do to heal myself. And then this all opened up.

Karen & Will: amazing. That's fantastic. And it's just so true how much your emotions can affect you. Like sometimes I, I love to laugh and have a lot of fun and

Brandy: I couldn't tell.

Karen & Will: I'll be driving in the car

Brandy: You didn't hide that well.

Karen & Will: um, And I'll just say, I want to feel joy and I'll fixate on just feeling joy and to the point where I can feel it under my skin.

I feel the hairs on the top. It's like bubbles. My whole body will start to feel like bubbles. Like I just, yeah, I just never thought about actually using that and kind of harnessing that power. Yeah.

Brandy: Right. That's exactly it. And when you think about it for a moment, we've all heard stress affects the physical [00:37:00] body, but when we really think about it, you know, if we look at individual research, I mean, there's studies from Harvard that suggest that stress can even cause autoimmune conditions. Or even if we think about optimism, the simple uh, awareness of optimism,

Karen & Will: Yep. In this space, everybody talks about gratitude and hope.

Brandy: gratitude is a little tricky.

Karen & Will: Oh, well, that's not what we've heard, Brandy. So let's not burst our bubble. No, I want to hear. Okay, go ahead. Burst it a little bit. But just a little bit.

Brandy: Let's pretend like somebody has a pattern of guilt for doing things for themselves, and then they bring in a bunch of gratitude. Does it help them or does it trigger them?

Karen & Will: Helps them. No, I just wanted to answer first. Um, I think it helps like, I guess it could go either way, but I think it helps me. [00:38:00] Well, I, I see, I see his point because then you're being grateful for something that you aren't Enjoying or living fully.

Brandy: No, but it's like if you feel like you should be punished, if you feel like you are guilty, if you feel like you don't deserve,

Karen & Will: is it bad to say sometimes I'm grateful that things aren't worse? Like when my back aches, I'm like, well, Hey, I've got all my limbs, you know? But like, I

Brandy: so my point is sometimes gra, sometimes gratitude can be a slippery slope because if a person is feeling guilty or undeserving or bad about receiving, it can actually,

Karen & Will: reinforce.

Brandy: about it logically. If we just were to think about it logically, I mean, let's say somebody's feeling guilty for doing things for themselves.

And they're feeling bad and that is their core. And then they go, okay, well, I'm so grateful for this. I'm so grateful for this. Does it help? Or does it trigger? In my experience, it can trigger.

Karen & Will: Oh, that's an [00:39:00] interesting perspective that we've not heard before. So that's, I mean, it makes perfect sense. It makes

Brandy: And but, but it obviously does not mean stay away from gratitude. It means feel deserving. It means get rid of guilt. It doesn't like we and, and so even, I mean, even in my Ted talk, I talk about. Bring in feelings of gratitude. But then afterwards I follow it carefully, did follow it with confidence because if people feel confidence, usually there's a sense of deserving with that.

So I combine those two on purpose. So people go, I said, you know, feel a sense of confidence of feeling good about yourself because then there's that, that helps. So, so it's not, don't feel gratitude. It's just become aware. We have to be real with what's real. And I think it'll, everybody tries to put like a, a bandaid on something and they say, well, just think positive and just, and there's just more to it in my experience for healing and that the mind works a little bit different sometimes than people might think.

But, But you mentioned joy and that, but that's exactly it. We want to bring in joy. And that's part of the process that I teach is exactly [00:40:00] that is that there, that punishment patterns can mess us up or even another emotional ingredient, if you will, is If somebody's been ill for a long period of time, or has a parent who's ill, then in their self image, they can see themselves as being an ill person.

And then their body will want to create, recreate. And so there's, when I said there's emotion like cake, and I'm going to disappoint Will here, we're not talking about real cake, but if,

Karen & Will: I'll take pie.

Brandy: okay. Okay. Okay. I like pie better than, yeah, we could do that.

Karen & Will: Okay.

Brandy: Um, But yeah, so it's the combination is key. So, um, yeah, it's, and then ultimately getting rid of the pattern itself.

So the pattern is really key.

Karen & Will: Yeah, those patterns man, they will. Miss you up. Yeah, they will. Yeah, they will.

Brandy: So like if, let's say maybe this feeling of self [00:41:00] sacrifice or guilt or putting somebody last, let's say for example, let's say for with Karen, let's say it started at age. Eight.

Karen & Will: Oh, dang. That was very close. You are scary. Scary.

Brandy: We'll go with your seven. But yeah, right in there, right? So, uh, yep. So then it becomes a pattern. Now, part of what I had from my own injury, I had a feeling, a pattern of survivor's guilt. And that was part of my ingredients from 9 11. The events of 9 11 kind of messed me up, but I didn't realize it because I didn't even know when I worked in technology, I had no idea I even had emotions,

Karen & Will: You, were you there?

Brandy: no, but I was on the phone with people.

So that's exactly, but I thought I would have never thought, cause that's what I would have said. I wasn't even there.

Karen & Will: Wow.

Brandy: I worked in network engineering operations at the time and my, my shift in California was 5 to 2. So I was 5 a. m. to 2 p. m. So I was on the phone and then I had a colleague, [00:42:00] you know, yelling, like, help me, help me and

Karen & Will: Oh my God. You know, that's really interesting you mentioned that because I was, I work in television and at the time of the towers, I actually was in a control room for a newscast as an assistant director, as the plans were hitting. And I was privy to a lot of footage that was never released because it was too graphic of people taking things into their own hands.

Let's just put it that way. And it was really difficult. And I'd never connected that with anything, but maybe I need to look at it because, because at the time it was very, it impacted me in a big way at the time. I wasn't even there. I was in Florida, but still I was privy to a lot of stuff that I wasn't happy about.

So

Brandy: Yeah, and So interesting connection on top of that is that in connection with that is that that's exactly so in telecommunications, we had to know current events. So I sat at my desk and even after the colleagues had, you know, helped me, helped me, and then the phone went dead. And it was like, I just wanted to help.

[00:43:00] But then after that, All we had televisions on every, every pillar in the, the, uh, in around my desk. So then I was watching the footage over and over and over out of the, out of my peripheral vision. And then not only that, but then I don't know if you remember, like there was like the red and the orange zone and all of that on um, you know, if we're in terrorist.

And so my brain linked up that we were going to die and I had the survivor's guilt and all this, and I didn't even know I had emotions about it. I, in me, I wanted to die to save others. And I was more concerned about others, but that all got linked up in my head.

Karen & Will: That's, That's amazing how our mind does things like that for you. But we are like, I don't want to, I don't want to stop talking to you. You are so much fun to talk to. And I think we could talk to you for days, but I definitely want to make sure we talk about your book because to put the connect the dots here.

We not everyone. Who reads your book is going to be able to have you here to do what you did with Karen just [00:44:00] now. So does your book teach someone how to do what you just did?

Brandy: It, I mean, not the bingo part but, but maybe, because the thing of it is this, I didn't say, Hey, I want to play bingo with myself all day. Like that did not actually, when this started coming through I, I really said, okay, this is weird, but I guess at least it's not Yahtzee. That's what happened. I was,

Karen & Will: I mean, bingo Yahtzee is all the same, right? You just yell it out when you win.

Brandy: yeah. So I'm like winning all day, but uh, but that, but that, yeah, it does. It, It helps people to create radical changes, even like. People on reviews have already been saying, Oh my gosh, I'm getting out of a pain cycle. Now I understand how to do it. So what's really fun about my book is that it outlines the, the science behind it.

And you just look at it and it makes sense. Like you, so one thing is really great is You know, I've had people that have been trying to study, study and heal themselves for 10, 20, 30 years, [00:45:00] 40 years. And they read it and they go, Oh my gosh, mind, body healing. Now it makes logical sense. So that's part one.

And then part two is the gift method. And it's exactly, it's how to work with your mind and heal your body. And it takes somebody step by step through the process.

Karen & Will: Wow. Well, I'm obviously going to buy the book. Because this is fascinating and it's so far right up my alley. As a pragmatist, I've always, you always find, try to find ways to wrap your head around the esoteric. And what you're talking about, I think is That's key. I mean, that's, that's, that sounds like it's like, and I'm clicking for you.

Totally. I mean, it's clicking, but it's clicking in a way that makes me want to know more. Yeah. Yeah. So if someone wanted to reach out to you or to get your book, what's the best way for someone to do that?

Brandy: My book is in bookstores or Amazon or Barnes and Noble, anywhere books are sold. And on my website, [00:46:00] brandygilmore. com, the fun thing is there's also a video under thermal imaging where it says see live healing and you can see me actually working with somebody.

Karen & Will: I saw that when I was researching you, I saw that it was really actually very cool. Your TED talk is also there, which is really cool. So, and We're going to add a link in our show notes to your website and to the book that it's called master your mind and energy to heal your body. And I cannot wait to get my hands on it.

Your website has so much information on it. I get to read it first though. Cause I have the pain, but no I, I called it first. I called it first. It's like I called shotgun. I'm sorry. Mother's day is coming up. But, but this. That's not do that. You can't pull the Mother's Day card. That's so wrong.

That's so wrong. Oh All right, we need to get two

Brandy: you know, I have to say he was sitting here being so sweet and nice. I was literally thinking to myself, I thought we were supposed to gang up on him and he's making it hard. He's just being all nice and sweet. [00:47:00] And but now. But after the Mother's Day comments, I feel like, I feel like he kind of opened the door a little bit

Karen & Will: Oh, good Lord. I don't want one step forward, two steps back. right, I got to end this interview because I cannot, I cannot be ganged up instead of just visiting. All right. Once again, Brandy, your book is called master your mind and energy to heal your body. We're going to add a link directly to your book and to your website on our website.

So all you need to do is go to skepticmaniposition. com and find her episode. You will see the links direct laid in directly there. So it's super easy to get in touch, Brandy, you and I, and Karen, we're going to be talking a lot more because we got a lot more conversations to go beyond that.

Brandy: I look forward to it.

Karen & Will: Cool. All right. Well, thanks so much for coming and sharing of your expertise. And thank you. Please, please, please stay in touch.

Brandy: Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. You guys are so much fun. It's been such a pleasure.

Karen & Will: Likewise. Thank you very much.

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