The Purpose of Life: Unpopular Truths

Will: [00:00:00] Karen?

Karen: Yes.

Will: What's the number one question everyone has about life?

Karen: Uh, why are we here? What's our purpose? Yes, exactly. Ooh, look at it. Right.

Will: What's, what's the meaning or the purpose of life? Yes. Nice job. Thank you. Well, today we get to talk with someone that believes she has the answer. Ah.

Karen: Wow. But

Will: yay. The question is, will you like that answer?

Oh yeah. We're diving into

Karen: five now. You're scaring me.

Will: We're diving into five unpopular truths about the purpose of life and answer once and for all what the actual purpose of life might just be. Now, strap on your seat belts, cuz this one's gonna be a bumpy ride. Uhoh.

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Karen & Will: So, Karen, I've been asked a lot about my experience at, the ashram that I went to. Have you? Yeah. A lot actually. A lot, yeah. Surprisingly so. I, I didn't Well, you just don't seem like an ashram a guy. I, you're right. I don't. and after being at the Ashram, I think that there's parts of the ashram that I really resonate with and others that I really don't like.

I'm a, on the clock type of guy, right? Mm-hmm. If something [00:03:00] starts at. I expected to start at eight nine at 7 45. Okay. That's, and that was a frustrating, because they're kind of loosey goosey at the astron. Well, they're going with the flow of the vibrations and the energy.

Yeah. But, you gotta warn a guy. So a lot of people know, not long ago I went on a, a meditation retreat to an AROM in Central Virginia. Mm-hmm. And, Spoiler alert, it was amazing. But the first day was tough because they don't tell you anything. They just kind of throw you in and re expect you to figure it out.

Well, you also have to let them know that when you signed up for this, you didn't realize it was gonna be a silent retreat. Well, that's true. Yeah. So there's a bit of a rub there. That is true. So when I got there, I learned that it was a silent retreat and that. they gave me a schedule and so I expected this is a schedule to follow and I soon learned that that was not exactly.

The schedule that they a hundred percent stuck to. So my first [00:04:00] experience in the meditation retreat, when I went to the meditation hall, I got there right around four ish, 4 30, 5 o'clock or so, and the meditation was at six. Mm-hmm. And on the schedule, it says that it was a guided meditation.

I was very excited about it. So I, got to the meditation hall and I got there probably 15 minutes early, 10 minutes early. Cause I was excited. Only defined that there was nobody there. So I just, you know, the doors were closed to the hall, so I just sat and waited patiently until someone would open the doors.

I would assume that the doors would be open. Mm-hmm. And you'd know to walk in and as I'm sitting there, someone walks in, takes off their shoes, puts 'em in a cubby, and opens the door and walks in. So now I'm going. Okay, well, I guess maybe I could do the same thing. So I did that. Mm-hmm. Only to find that there are already several people in the meditation hall.

Mm-hmm. So I get myself settled on the floor, and I'm excited for my first guided meditation at this ashram. And as I'm sitting here looking at my watch, I realize that it's already six o'clock and we haven't started yet. So,[00:05:00] I'm trying to be patient, just sit there for another few minutes and suddenly decide, well, the heck, I'll just start on my own.

And when the guided part starts, I'll just follow along. So I started meditating on my own and after 20 minutes or so, I realized it's probably been a long time and I don't hear anybody guiding anything, so I. Broke my meditation to look at my watch again and realized it was 20 minutes after six and there was no one guiding.

So I, maybe something happened, maybe I misread the schedule, so I continued meditating on my own. So at the half hour mark, someone walks in and rings a little. bell? No meditation bowl. A meditation ball. Bing, bing. That signifies the end of the me meditation, so, okay. I guess I must have read it wrong.

It's not a guided meditation. So, I leave, go to have dinner and, course I'm silent because this is after all a silent meditation retreat. But I'm, seeing people, I'm hearing people talk and I'm thinking, wow, how rude these people are talking to each other. That's. [00:06:00] So, UNS silent. Uns silent. and in the schedule there's a what consider the, it's a pooja, it's a ceremony they do in the mornings, and it's was set for eight o'clock.

there's a lady there who is talking to me about the puja, and she invites me to go to. Ceremony at eight o'clock, in another location. So I was very excited to go. So at, you know, 7 45, I drive myself to the other location and I sit in the car for a little bit because I'm early again, I didn't wanna be caught.

Wait, was this in the morning? The next morning. Okay. Yeah, the next morning. so I lollygag around and, five minutes to eight or so, I walk into the area only to find that there's a lot of people already in. Performing this ceremony. So I sit thinking, well, maybe there's something before the puja that is happening.

It's pre puja. Pre puja, yes. So I sit outside, I'm waiting and I'm, there's a glass door. I see the lady that invited me in to the puja sitting there, and she sees me and she weighs me in. So, okay. I [00:07:00] walk in, I sit next to her, and, she immediately comes over, shares her program with me. Mm-hmm.

And in the program, there's a whole bunch of chants that they're doing, she's full on expecting me to follow along with these chants. What my first thought was, I'm supposed to be silent, but if she expect me to maybe, maybe chanting doesn't qualify. Doesn't count. Yeah. Right. So the second thing is I have no idea how to pronounce these things.

This is in Hindu, right? Mm-hmm. I've got no clue. So I'm just following along and as I'm chanting, eventually the. Repeat the same chant over and over and over again at one point. So I'm, I got it. I got it. I'm chanting along, blah, blah, blah. I'm Shanti, blah. I am full on, like, full on chanting king of the chant.

I am chanting like nobody's chanted before, only to find that they know when to stop. I did not. So I chanted to the tune of one for a little while. Oh my God. I wish I would've been there. Oh no. I would've been [00:08:00] laughing at that would've been very un un silent. You would, you would've broken the silence.

Yes. You would have. Well then next thing I know, she goes and she gets me my own book and then she gets me a little bell to hold. So I have this little bell and I don't know what it's for. Oh boy. So, uh, I, what's the last thing I would give you? Yeah, no. Right. especially cuz I just, chan. Way after everyone stops.

So at some point people were ringing the bell. So I took my bell and I'm started ringing it. And then of course they stop. They don't tell me when to stop, so I'm continuing to ring this damn bell. So it, it goes on like that so repeatedly. So they're doing some things and I'm just not getting it. So finally I'm just like, okay, I'm you.

They have to, they have to forgive me. So after the, we're outside, of the hall and she's talking to me about these offerings. Do you want some because of whatever. And I'm just like, mm mm She. Are you? Are you being silent? Well, yeah. This is a silent retreat after all, isn't it? She goes, no, no.

That doesn't start till tonight At seven o'clock, somebody spent an entire day and a half [00:09:00] silent, unbeknownst to me not having to, I could have been talking and yelling and shouting at the top of my lungs. And I wouldn't have broken the code, so. Oh, that's so funny. Yeah. Well, I remember you texted me and I'm like, and that counts that you can't, because you told me you were gonna surrender your phones.

I was gonna surrender my, electronics, but they said, no, no, no. Go ahead. You can, you don't have to surrender 'em. You can keep them in your room. Just don't use them. Don't during the, so, yeah, so I to I get this text, I'm like, oh my God, you're totally cheating, but I'm gonna respond. And I think I sent you a really long one with everything I'd done, you know.

The day before when you left, you're catching me up in, on everything. In one shot. In one shot. Cuz that's it. After this I'm like, don't respond, you know, you gotta follow the rules and then you call and I'm my first, I wasn't even Hello? I was like, what are you doing? Can't call me. Yes, yes. Doesn't start till tonight.

Yes. Yeah. So, it was an interesting experience. Probably one of the most amazing things about it. They have this, what they, it's a lotus. Mm-hmm. For all intents purposes. It is, it's a lotus, a massive lotus. It is a ma People go into the lotus to meditate. Mm-hmm. And it. Gorgeous. it was under construction, [00:10:00] unfortunately, so the exterior wasn't as beautiful as the, you see in the pictures.

Mm-hmm. But the interior was still absolutely gorgeous. It was only open twice while I was there. Mm-hmm. First time I walked in there, I was just in awe. Right. You feel the energy as you walking into this lotus. Mm-hmm. And there's this. For lack of a better word. It's not an altar, but it's, it's something in the center that looks like an altar with a tube of light.

Pointing up towards the ceiling. Does the tube go the whole way up? Uh, yes. It goes all the way up. Oh. And. as you meditate, the energies go into this altar and goes up the tube and into the ether. Mm-hmm. At least that's, that's the fault.

That's the thought. Yeah. and it was, amazing. Well, the second time, I went to meditate in the Lotus was the day that I was leaving, the lotus was filled, probably 40, 50 people. We filled that lotus incredibly, we all started meditating and as we got into it, and five minutes into it, maybe not even remember, there's construction outside the lotus.

All of a sudden this wind picks up all the [00:11:00] construction stuff outside and starts baba bababababa, Baba battering the outdoors, the outside really strong. Like it waited until we started meditating to do this. Mm-hmm. But this incredible feeling of, I understand. No matter how much the elements are trying to tear us down on the outside, if we maintain our silence and our meditation, our internal calm, it can't touch us.

It was so symbolic. Mm-hmm. That it literally brought me to tears. It was amazing. Amazing. One second, the energy. That was developing, that was inside of that room. It felt like we were, all of our energies were intermingling and flowing together and, and rushing into that, that altar and rushing up into the ceiling and then circling back around, and it was like we were all just energy beings together.

It was unbelievable. Truly incredible. Everything's silent. Mm-hmm. No one was saying, it wasn't no one, no one was guiding us. It was a silent meditation, but we all were. Focused on the same thing, [00:12:00] and that was peace and love into the universe, and it was all so palpable. Wow. It was, I, I just can't even explain it.

Incredible. Well, I can't wait to go and try it out for myself. Yes, yes. We, we've gotta go back because I think that you would get a lot, especially since I know what happens when you meditate. Miss Angel. you would get a lot out of it. I can only imagine what you would feel. Mm-hmm.

So, yes, we're on our way out. All right. I know it's a very long but short conversation about what happened at the Ashram. I hope that if you have any other questions about the ashram or what I experience there, please reach out, let us know. I'm happy to correspond with anybody that wants to know about the, this amazing, amazing experience.

Welcome to the Skeptic Medical Physicians.

I'm Will. And I'm Karen, and the time has come to dive into the main topic of the episode. Dr. Tony Riley is Australia's foremost, internationally recognized past life and reincarnation specialist who trained with renowned psychiatrist. Dr. Brian [00:13:00] Weiss in New York, and she explored mediumship development at the prestigious Arthur Finley College in the uk.

She's got a diploma, metaphysics and a doctorate of Divinity, and she comes to us to discuss the purpose of life and why we are. Actually here. Dr. Tony Riley, thank you so much for coming on the show. Thank you for

Tonie: having me. Karen and Will are excited to talk about this.

Will: Oh boy. Do we have a lot to talk about?

Tonie: I'm a little nervous now.

Karen: Will you got me sinking? I'm like, oh boy. Well,

Will: that's my job. My job is to get you thinking, so

Karen: it's perfect. That's true. Not just about laundry.

Will: Not I, I'd rather not think about laundry, actually. So,

Karen: no, you make me think about it. Now, I wish you would do some of the laundry,

Tonie: but that's another, that's another show.

Karen: Well,

Will: Dr. Tony Riley, thanks for coming on the show Tri. So let's just put it all out there. We'll go back to, to you in a, in a little bit, but put, I know I would be banging at the door asking the question, why are we here? What's our purpose?

Tonie: The dumb [00:14:00] down version of the purpose, our purpose in. 20 odd years of researching and working in these realms is that we are here to experience emotion.

Emotion and uh, the other senses that a physical body allows. When we leave our body, which of course we'll all do at death, we go back to a space where. There is no body and it's just energy. Therefore, there are no emotions and there are no physical feelings. There's no physical touch, there's no hearing.

There's no sight. There's no sound. There's none of these magical things that we get to experience in a body. We don't have a mind either, so there's no thought. Even so, when we are here, we have all of those faculties at our. Disposal because of our body. So we automate use of them

Will: I need to stop you because if you're only listening to the show, you're not watching the video on YouTube, you are missing Karen's [00:15:00] total look of a gas.

Tonie: There's no love. Oh, well actually the feeling when you're there, at least when you visit there as a person, which we can facilit. Um, it does feel like it's all encompassing love. It's, it feels like that whole thing we've been sold, that there's nirvana and heaven that, that beautiful unconditional feeling or sensation.

It does feel like that.

Will: Okay. Okay. So you just, you just said a couple things there that I've gotta point out. First. We talk to a lot of people who say the same thing that you have said, that we are love, that's what we are. Yeah. And when we move on to the next life, we experience who we truly are, which is actually complete embodiment of love.

But you said something very important that I've gotta come back to really quickly because you said that you can facilitate others visiting the afterlife. I need to [00:16:00] know Ha, how, how can can you do that?

Karen: Well in a way that's legal. No, and not

Tonie: permanent. And does it take a lot of drugs? That's so, so funny because back in the day when everything for me started as past life regression, but in that space, People really are just communicating with their soul.

So what transpired, uh, over time was people would go beyond the past life or actually a big massive important part of their past life therapy is when they die, is that's when we are truly talking to soul and we're going into that pure energy. So there's also a lot of work done on the in between live stage, but home or where everything is completely uncd.

That's what I call home, and we still can facilitate that. You take a visit there, I call it a check-in, so some people are allowed to check in. People have it sporadically. Actually, if you ever hear people talking about their near death experiences, [00:17:00] that's when it's happening to them sporadically or out of their control.

They didn't come along for a facilitated session. It's just. But these, we can facilitate all of these things and it's always, always the most beautiful experience. And it's personalized. So I think, um, whatever we are doing here, it's always for now to make now better. So whatever each individual is doing here, or needs to know or needs help with, needs some clarity around, needs some healing around, then they will get what they're given in that space because, It was planned before we came.

So their soul knows exactly what to tell them, do for them, adjust their energies, whatever's needed for them.

Will: that whole plan, right? we've spoken to people that have used quantum mechanics to talk about, the moment of you doing something now also happened at the same time. 3000 years ago.

it's amazingly interesting. Now, you started [00:18:00] with Dr. Brian Weiss, who super famous for writing the, epitome of books on past life, reincarnation, many lives, many masters. And you mentioned past life regression, but you also mentioned in between. Regression, which is, what happens when we're, I mean, would you say it was in heaven?

That you go to heaven? You, you have them visit there or the place we go when we die? I think as

Tonie: far as defining the difference, I would say that the between phase is the plan to reincarnate. So it's a bit of both. It's a bit of the all-encompassing home and that space where, We're planning to come here or it's so different to planning, but in human con, in cu human terms, we need to hear it in that way and perceive it in that way.

So that's the way I describe that. In between phases, planning to incarnate, and this is where you, no doubt you've heard people [00:19:00] talking about what goes on there and old people have, um, A review of the life they've led or they meet with council, they're doing, they meet their sole family. So that's because it's that, that place where our lives are being planned or we can, uh, look at them from there in that space.

Right. But actually beyond where we are talking about, where it's absolutely all love for one of a better of a. And we're all purely enlightened. That I feel like is beyond, I just call it home.

I like that

Karen: home.

Will: That's what it is. Right. In fact, we've talked to people who said this, that exact same thing. Mm-hmm. Hey, can I, when can I come home again? Right. so we've heard of the, the past life review and all that kinda stuff happens immediately after death. Now it sounds like you're saying.

Something different. Sounds like you're saying that happens after you've gone. The time and you're ready to come back in. So it bears a question, do we die just to immediately reincarnate right away, or is there time in between? [00:20:00] Or do we get to choose? I

Tonie: think it's a little, it's a little bit difficult to give a cut and dry answer because there's no time.

The, the moment that we leave this body, it's timeless. There is no linear time. So working in this, uh, past life space and the reincarnation space, there are people. Are back in our terms of linear time almost immediately. But, um, and then there maybe there's been a certain amount of time in our linear timeframe that it takes them to come back.

So there's no, there's no defined timeframe. But certainly that review and the like that goes on, I truly feel like that's even for our humanness to try and understand why we are here. I think that's why we get access to it and people can get some comfort while they're here that they're, yes, we come with these other souls and we've got a soul family.

Um, other people who love us. We've got this guide energy. We need to know that here too, to help us not feel alone, I think in life.[00:21:00] So how do you know this to be true? well, no, you actually can't.

So my answer is, When you have the experience yourself, there's no question that it's real, and I don't know any better way than to say that the experience trumps science or logic or philosophy, it trumps everything. So it really, I suppose, is something that's difficult to actually prove to someone who hasn't had an experience So, That's the answer.

I don't know if there's an actual way to prove it outright.

Karen: You just can't. Once you've experienced it, you just can't deny that it's real. That's

Tonie: it. That it's true. That's it. Oh, you understand

Karen: that?

Will: Yeah. And, and like you say many times, Karen, even if it's not real, but it feels really good, what's the differe?

Right.

Tonie: That's a little, that a lot of, in the, in the science world and all the, you know, the researchers that, that went on to prove reincarnation, [00:22:00] they, they often come back and talk about that. Past life regression isn't, isn't actually provable because we could imagine it, we could make it up, but if you do it, mm-hmm.

If you do past life regression and it's facilitated, you know that you did not imagine it. It's not like imagination, the, the scenes, the thoughts, the knowing they drop in over your humanness, they drop. Over your imagination. They're coming in. If a facilitator's saying to you, go to a, a certain point or a time, something's flicking immediately in your awareness at that time and your human awareness, of course, um, for what happened in that past life.

So when they talk like that, it makes me think you've never had a past life. Yeah, you've researched fantastic, brilliant, but you've never had one. And it's something that I found a lot. With a lot of people that work in this realm. So that's why I say experience trump's [00:23:00] science.

Karen: can everyone have a past life progression?

Does it, does it work for everyone,

Tonie: for lack of better word? Yeah. Yes. That, that's the short answer. And if there's any resistance, it will. Personally in my uh, practice, it's almost happens every single time for no matter how skeptical the person is, even, but maybe with facilitators who are new at it. Then maybe for them, the trick is only that you need to get that person to give up control.

So they just need to relax, they need to give up control. Mm-hmm. And relax. Because I think the moment you're trying to control what's happening, which is like, oh, I wanna see a past life. There's too much, uh, thought in there and humanness I suppose. But you are still very aware. As a, as a person when you are doing past life regression, but just giving up control is all that little bit of control is the only thing that would, I'm gonna say hinder it because it will never stop.

[00:24:00] It it, it's achievable no matter what. Because we are from there. We're from there, we've been there. Okay, so it's accessible.

Will: that's probably our, our. Worry, I guess as we go into a past life regression and Sonia's like, oh crap, nothing's coming now,

Karen: you know, see that's

Tonie: thinking, I'm just making this up.

Karen: It's like, oh,

Will: thinking. Yeah. No, you're right. You, you're right. You're right. But, but I guess you have to really go into a deep, deep hypnosis in order to relinquish the, thinking part. that's hard to do sometimes. Yeah.

Tonie: Well, a lot of

Karen: people do.

Tonie: past life progressions, I guess

Karen: they can do them. You can do them virtually. but is

Tonie: it better to be in person or does it make a difference from a therapeutic perspective or from the, from terms of someone being able to relax enough, it works as well online on Zoom, uh, on the phone as it does in person.

So, yeah, you can access it from anywhere and, but I think, I guess in person's got a, a bit of a different vibe to it just because you're, you're sitting there together. [00:25:00] But um, yeah, as far as the efficiency of it, it works just as well virtually.

Will: I assume you just have to make sure you're someplace where you're not gonna be disturbed or, because that, that would be my mind's going, oh my God, is my kid gonna walk through the door in a second dog

Tonie: start barking?

Right? We know what's interesting, even if your kid walked in or the dog started barking. First thing is when you are in there, Then you still might hear the dog barking, but not usually. But it's, it's kind of at a distance from what's going on in here. But if your kid walked in mm-hmm. And interrupted you, it would, it would be really quite simple as once they go, uh, you'd be like, close your eyes again.

Oh, I would be, or the facilitate, close your eyes again and you go back in again. So it's really, it's, it's not rocket science. It's, it's really, it's. Amazing.

Karen: Really says the topic right? Oh, it's easy. Right, right.

Will: I, I want to, this is fascinating, but I wanna get back to the topic that we started talking about, which is the purpose [00:26:00] of life.

The Meaning of life. And you mentioned that emotions, that the experiencing emotions is a reason why we're here. But you also, in our. Interview information that we exchanged. You mentioned that grief was one of the most important ones to experience. Why would that be?

Tonie: I think in the cycle of life, what, obviously we have birth and death, which is our start and end to each incarnation, but the middle.

At the point where a person experiences grief and I, and grief is something that could set off from a, from various things for each individual, but I suppose it's most often associated with the loss. Of someone to death. But there are so many more things. Marriage breakups, relationship breaks up. For some people, it's the loss of a pet, but one way or another, at some stage in each person's life, they'll experience grief, which is this [00:27:00] uncontrollables.

It's sadness, anger, depression, the whole gamut of what the grieving process entails. And you do not get to control it. You don't get to control it. You can't help how you feel. And I guess that's the epitome of grief is that you cannot make it go away and it lasts for as long as it lasts. But when we come through the other side of grief and we do, we are d.

It's not that we'll ever have forgotten our person, but we are a diff, we are a vastly different individual after that in that mostly if I also would dumb it down, we are more compassionate. We, we get at that stage that people do not get to control. The feelings of grief, so depression and things like that.

Do you know before that people are like, oh, if they've never felt depressed or really sad, they're like, just get over it. But when you feel it, mm-hmm and you have no control, you know, then that [00:28:00] people are not making this stuff up. So it makes you a much more empathetic individual. So that's what changes.

It changes. For the better, I suppose, makes us just more tolerant of others, more compassionate, more empathetic.

Will: Sure. Mm-hmm. Right. I, I would assume the same thing could be said about trauma. Yes. Right. Going through some sort of trauma. I would actually, serve the same purpose. is trauma and grief the same or are they two different?

Tonie: I think, I think that it would be fair to say that grief is the process of processing. Or, or working through trauma. So yes, they're entirely, you know, knitted together. Mm-hmm.

Will: Yeah. Gotcha. Alright, well we have to take a break, but we have just barely scratched the surface of this conversation when we come.

I know we've touched on a couple of the, unpopular truths behind the meaning of life, but when we come back, we're gonna dive into the remaining unpopular truths about the purpose and meaning of [00:29:00] life. Stay with us. You don't wanna miss this one.

 Welcome back to the Skeptic Meta Physicians. We're talking to Dr. Tony

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Will: Welcome back to the Skeptic Meta Physicians. We're talking to Dr. Tony Riley, who is a past life regression therapist, as well as many, many other things, and she's explaining to us, The meaning of life at long last, we get to understand why we are here finally. No. Before we left, we talked a lot about past life regression and we talked about life in betweens and being able to facilitate visits there.

And boy, are we gonna talk after this for sure, but we also touched on a couple of the unpopular truths about the purpose of life, and she mentioned Dr. Tony Riley mentioned that we are. To experience emotions including and especially one would [00:31:00] say, grief. Now, doc, what else? Is there that people don't want to hear about the meaning of

Tonie: life.

Okay. Well

Karen: it's a big claim, isn't it? Oh, I know the meaning of life. It sure is. Yeah.

Tonie: Oh, but I think a few of the things that I heard in particularly when I first started in this, there, there was a whole, or there has been this whole new age movement, which in some ways had its own take on. These concepts, but one of them is that we have a life path which numerology depicts, astrology depicts.

And it's true, we do. But what people. Like to do is excuse or make an excuse when life goes to shit. And it does. Nobody wants to feel an emotional turmoil, but we get there for whatever reason at stages of our lives. And then what people do is they've come into victim mode and they're like, [00:32:00] I went off.

Must have done something wrong. But it's like the more you feel like you are off path, the more you are exactly where you are meant to be. But nobody wants to believe that the shitty parts of life are part of the path, but they are, they're intrinsic to our path in life or our mission in, I call it the mission in life.

So that's one of the unpopular truths is that you are never off path. That's one thing, and that that's

Will: a big claim that you never off path. And I guess, I guess it could be equal to people saying everything happens for a reason. Yeah, yeah,

Tonie: yeah. That's another thing that annoys people.

Will: Yes.

Karen: How does that concept work with people having free will? Oh my. Like if there's already this plan, this path.

Tonie: Do you only

Karen: think you have free will? Yes. And that's what it sounds like to me. Is that

Tonie: true? Yes. So free will's another thing I talk about. It's another one of the unpopular truths. People, they can't [00:33:00] stand it.

When I say free will is a human concept. So we only have it here. It bears. It has no bearing on what we plan to do when we are here cuz it was all, it's all, it's. Uh, planned to the nth degree before we come here. So when we think we had free will and we chose this and it was a great decision, or we chose that and it was a terrible decision, we beat ourselves up about it.

It's, it's not actually free will, except for, yeah, of course we made a choice while we're here. So yes, it feels like we've got free will here, but it's not going to change what the actual plan was. And really we were only ever going to choose, or the outcome was only ever going to be what it was or what it ends up being.

And so really, I say that to people to make them feel better. Some. They feel worse because they feel like we have control. But it's like actually, if you ease up and realize that stop beating [00:34:00] yourself up and having regret, it's, it's pointless. But it's part of this emotional feeling that we are supposed to have.

But really, if you start to think about, well, what if I had have chosen this? Um, things could have been better, but you go, well, I never was going to. Anything different to what I wa what happened, what I did choose stop being mean to yourself. You can start to make peace with the choices that you made and start to look at them a little deeper for why you made them and what transpired because of them.

There's always, there's always good when you look for it as to why you didn't end up with that person or, um, but you did end up with this. There's a, there's a deeper purpose and meaning behind all of it, and it's easy to look for it.

Will: I wanna dive a little deeper into that is because I wanna try to understand it better.

Is it like a science fiction, time travel movie where people are trying to change the past, but no matter what decision they make, they end up in the same place? Or is it that every decision was exactly what you were going to do, [00:35:00] no matter what?

Tonie: Yes, and I guess. On that note, it also includes when you do question it, it's all, it's all part of what was meant to happen.

So what was meant to go in your questioning. So yeah, you, it's really just all part of the, the mission and the plan.

Karen: So now do you find that people can kind of, Use it as an excuse. You don't feel like working extra hard. I'm not gonna do anything to eat by, Hey, this was the plan.

Will: See Karen. I wasn't supposed to do the laundry.

Karen: I don't like the plan.

Tonie: But then Karen's meant to feel that frustration, say. That you

Karen: didn't do the No, no.

Let's,

Will: let's move on to another topic now. Let's go.

Karen: Um, and,

Tonie: and, but it's so simple when we're talking about the washing. Do people think it's such a big thing, but the purpose of life is the frustration that might be felt, felt by. I'll, I'll say the kids, I'll go away from you guys. The kids didn't put the, [00:36:00] the washing out and now you're gonna run late getting them to school because they didn't say they needed that jacket today.

Um, you know, all of those things, they, they're emotional feelings that set off in us and it. And everyone's gonna feel something from it that's playing out. So it's, it's just so much simpler than, than people realize the purpose of life, those emotional, um, things that are going on in our, in our existence, probably almost every moment that we're here.

Then what's the

Karen: deal with empaths? Are they just like fast tracking and feeling all the emotions, or,

Tonie: I, they, they have a role here. We all have a role here, but as an empath, which, uh, you would be, well, I certainly am. I think that there's a role that we. Playing or, uh, there's a role that we have to achieve or that we are achieving not have to, that we're achieving here.

And I think the role of empaths personally, for them, it's going to be what's mine and what's theirs. Because even with empaths, [00:37:00] they can be escaping their own. T turmoil, I'm gonna say and be like, well, I'm picking up on everyone around me. Or they can be feeling like it's their turmoil when it is others around them that they're picking up on.

So there's a personal thing for them to experience, which is discerning what's mine and what's theirs. And there's also with an empathetic person, there'll. A, a beautiful aspect to them because they make the most natural counselors, and when I say counselors, of course they might be professional counselors, counselors, but most likely within their family unit, with their friends, with the people that they know, their colleagues, they're most likely this person that people goes to that can, uh, speak to someone or someone's gonna listen to them.

So the empath has many. Roles and experiences and something to give while they're here.

Will: Hmm, that sounds familiar to me.

Karen: Just a little bit. Just a hair, just a

Will: touch. [00:38:00] Alright. Alright. Well, are there more un truths that are uncomfortable or have we covered

Tonie: them all? They're pretty much, um, you're never off.

No one else is ever off path. So a little side note of your off path, when, when people feel like their relationship, they, they, I don't deny that people have hard times. I truly am not doing that. But often it's easier to blame that other person and or feel like they did you wrong? And, and maybe they did, but people also default to their off.

So, but they're not, so it's like no one else is off path. You are not off path. It's just for an experience. The free will thing is one of the big truths that people dislike. That, that, that it's really just a human part. And also, the one other thing, karma, people perceive karma that there is also a human concept.

Can I just, That's the baseline is also human thing. It's part of while [00:39:00] we're here, but people like to believe that the shitty stuff's happening to them now because they're bad in a past life. They've bought it with them. Um, but really it's actually just part of what's going on in your life now. Part of the experience that you came to do, so.

Those are, those are the main unpopular truths that I've discovered.

Will: how's that feel? Karen

Karen: feels pretty good. Well,

Will: yeah, she's got, uh, she's, uh, yes. Yes, listen to the past episodes. You'll know exactly what we've had some debates about karma, what Karen believes about karma. So, yes.

Alright, well moving on. Uh,

Tonie: well, uh, just

Karen: before we move on, I have a question. Yeah. Okay. So you, you're supposed to learn or feel emotion. What about, I hate the, the bad guys. You know, people that just come and they commit these horrible crimes, they don't really seem to regret them, and then they. What are they learning or experiencing?

Tonie: How to be shitty? Yeah, I think, um, I also think [00:40:00] this concept that we are coming to learn is a little bit humanized as well. I feel like it's better to say that we are here for an experience because those people who come, I know that we are going to the absolute worst of people, so I. If we think about a, a serial killer, for example, so we'll go go as far as we can go with the, the depths of bad, but when they come here and commit their.

Crimes. What happens is the people that they affect is who it's for. It's for their experience. So imagine the family of the victims of this person. Imagine the turmoil that they go through, the grief, the guilt, the whatever turmoil that they go. Is what is actually happening. It's rippling out to affect so many people.

Of course, it's then gonna, it's gonna affect the people who investigate it. It's gonna, it [00:41:00] affects so many people with those terrible, uh, travesties that go on, the actual person who's doing them. To be honest, I don't know that there is something for them to learn per se. It's more like they've come as this person who's going to be so hated, so hated by everyone they've affected, but they, um, they've come to make that ripple effect to create this emotional.

For everyone who feels it from what they did.

Will: that's a hard pill to swallow. Mm-hmm. Uh, so why, Why do we have to grieve? Why do we have to go through these traumas in this life? Can't we just come down and hang out for a while and then come back out?

Tonie: well, I guess that's what the ones that come without the feelings, which are very, very rare.

Someone like a serial killer for example. But no, that's, oh, good. Yeah. But no, it's part of, it's [00:42:00] part of the experience to, I I think you don't know. I. You don't know what it feels like to be c truly calm and at peace until you've felt what it's like to not feel like that or, so it's really just to experience the whole gamut of emotions that are possible

Will: because we can't experience it in the afterlife.

Tonie: We don't experience it in the afterlife.

Will: So that's where we come here to, to, in order to experience these emotions that we can't experience otherwise. Yeah. Who,

Karen: and okay,

Tonie: this is, this is unique to Earth. I'm not so much into the Dolores Cannon out there stuff, but I can absolutely tell you that people who come for past life regression, they definitely, they go elsewhere as well.

So it hasn't been the focus of my work. They do go elsewhere. And where they go elsewhere is not like Earth, as in it's a much different experience. And it's not harsh. Earth is the harsh place. It, this is what [00:43:00] this is. You know, they, they, in religion, we were told about heaven and hell, this is it here.

Mm-hmm. It's hard.

Will: I have heard that we're living on the hill. I, I have heard that before. Yeah. In, in prior interviews, so, yeah. okay. So I've gonna ask you questions that I, I, I need to ask much more or many more people that we interview. But do you ascribe to the theory that we are all one

Tonie: Yes. And when, when I say we are going. When you experience that space, that's when there's everything but nothing. So it's where people get this concept that we're all one. Um, okay. You can feel it.

Will: so then if that's the case. And I buy that. I believe that that's, that's my belief system.

But then you're a past life regressionist, right? This is the perfect person to ask this. When you regress, someone could. They be tapping into someone else's lives. I mean, since we're all one, don't we all just experience all the lives?

Tonie: May, can I say this? [00:44:00] Maybe. And I hear people in other focuses within these realms talking about it's all happening at once.

In my work, it was a little bit more structured in that we are doing past lives. So if you are remembering your past life, it's very human. You were there as a human in a past life and there's a timeframe and there's. A generation that you are in. So from my perspective, when people are recalling their past lives, it's not all happening at once.

It's in a timeline like we are here now in 2023 and they're going back to another time. In humanity's history, it's so,

Will: yeah, it's easy to wrap your head around it if you put it on the timeline, everything. Yeah.

Karen: That's timeline.

Tonie: So once you go beyond though, no time,

Will: right. Which is not easy to wrap your head around.

No, Well, uh, you have written a best selling book called awake, the Purpose of Life. And why you [00:45:00] are here. This is one of the reasons why we have you on the show today. I, I'd love for you to tell us a little bit about the book, what prompted you to write it, what brought you to this entire category of modalities because, it's a very specialized field.

Tonie: Oh gosh. I'm, I'm gonna try and keep this short. I'm gonna try and keep this short because I can

Karen: ramble on about

Tonie: it, but, Briefly, I was a very, very mainstream person until this all came into my awareness in my mid thirties. So before that mainstream person married three kids working with, um, computers, so programming and administration type stuff.

But, um, at a, at a, at that point when I had an emotional turmo, Um, I left my marriage, it was the catalyst, and I'm like, I realized that there's intuition and I became obsessed with finding out about, if I have this, why am I, you know, in my thirties, and I never knew. So that's what started, and as part [00:46:00] of developing that intuition, the, the serendipity or synchronicity as it would come to pass is the lady who taught.

To enhance my intuition. She told me to read many lives, many Masters, Dr. Brian Weiss's book, and it absolutely changed me in that I never heard of past lives before, if I'm honest. And I'm like, I've read the book and I thought, oh,

Karen: then this is what I'm here to do. So

Tonie: it's like everything just changed almost overnight for me and.

It took off. I cannot tell you the people that I met who came across my path, the people who came for past life regression, it was crazy. It, and it's like this has to have been planned because there was no marketing or anything back then. It was just all happening, so. Mm-hmm. Um, but as part of. Becoming aware of past lives and starting to work with people in that process and of trying to build my intuition.

I was meditating and I realized that I was [00:47:00] messed up. So it was a bit of a culmination of self-awareness was coming to me. At pace and I thought, I never knew I was messed up. And then it was like, you are so messed up. All this stuff is coming in. Every time I meditated it was like, what the, what's going on here?

And I mean, I found it just entirely liberating, but it was, it was hard. And um, and it, because of that human aspect of awareness and self-awareness and who am I? Culminating with, there was this whole other space that we could access for our past lives or even beyond. That's why this work came together for me as using that space and that access to our soul to make now better, and realizing also that none of us get out of the human experience.

We are coming here. This is all my research, but we are born with, we are coming here to do certain insecurities. We will not get out of it. Every single one of [00:48:00] us, no matter who you are here, you're coming to do a certain insecurity, emotional bruises, I call them, and we are coming to experience certain things.

So back to the. That's what I tried to cover in my book. So I tried to show how our lives are planned and why they are so to have a certain emotional experience. So that's why I wrote about myself and or my life, which is pretty. It's pretty pleasant. Can I say, compared to some people's childhoods? That's great.

So I, and I'm sure some people read it and roll their eyes and be like, woo, she, she didn't really cop it that hard. But I can tell you when we feel grief over trauma, Or the loss of our cat, whatever it is, that feeling is the same and it is all encompassing and it's not nice, so, mm-hmm. But to showcase that I had to, I had to be really honest about some [00:49:00] things I'd done in my life as well.

One of the things I talk about is love at first sight, because it actually happened to me, and it's one of the things that. That people, if they're in a relationship already and the morals say you are not to be seeing anyone else. Well, when that love at first sight comes in, no matter what you've been taught.

Um, it's coming and you cannot resist it. It's, it's so extraordinary. If you guys have felt it beautiful, but I don't think it's, it's like grief. People can't comprehend it unless it's happened to them. The power in it, it's, it's really special actually. It's like, God, I hope everyone gets to have that. And it doesn't mean it lasts forever, even, but it certainly comes in and it's extraordinary.

But I wanted to talk about how those things happen and they defy, they defy morals actually cuz they're part of the plan. They defy morals. They defy how we [00:50:00] thought things would end up for us as a person. And that's what I did in that await the purpose of life and why you were here. I tried to showcase all of these.

Will: Wow, you've opened up a whole other can of worms that we can't go down, so you actually. Created the Soul Life Coaching Program and this is a program that helps people. Why don't you tell us what that is? You a lot better than

Tonie: me trying to explain the Soul Life coaching program.

That's the culmination of these 20 years of research and observations and my own of course, experiences. This program that I developed, I call it a new psychology because that's what it is. But what we did is we absolutely take notice of that. We are a soul here. And so it's definitely, it's beyond clinical.

It's well beyond clinical. We are always going for a more energetic approach, and because we know that the life is planned, whether people believe it or not. When you do this training, and it's [00:51:00] also not rocket science, we can tell where a person's at. You can tell it by their date of birth, for goodness sake.

It's, it's really quite simple and people are not necessarily at the stage in their path or on their mission. To know everything. So part of part of being the solo coach is knowing what to do with your person at the stage that they're at and not forcing this, you know, I, I digress slightly to say to someone that was meant to be, Or this will turn out better than you think.

That is not comforting in, in turmoil. It's not comforting at all. It's something that we have to arrive at ourself. It's part of part of why it all happens, that we arrive at that philosophical outlook of what's happened to us ourselves. But this solo coach, it really is the most extraordinary support if for people who wanna help people.

For people who are intuitive, they'll feel drawn to it rather [00:52:00] than we have to sell it to them, but they can come along and, uh, and learn it to be a really unique and effective therapist for now. You know, therapy sometimes is really just that someone needs to feel that they trust this person enough, they can talk to.

It's, it's really, it's, it's a beautiful modality. It's a beautiful thing to learn. It's a lovely thing for people to do. And of course, our main therapy is going to a past life or beyond wherever they need to go.

Will: And you do these, uh, n d e like experiences that I'm just so, transpired. So we are gonna talk after this for sure.

if you are interested in the Soul Life Coaching Program or in the book that she wrote, awake, the Purpose of Life and Why You Are Here, we're gonna add direct links to. On our show notes. So all you need to do is go to skeptic meta physician.com, go to the episode page, and you'll find the links there directly.

We're also gonna add links to your website as well as [00:53:00] your social media. So if you want to reach out to Dr. Riley, this is the perfect opportunity for you to do so. Tony, thank you so, so much for coming on and sharing of your wisdom and your expertise with us. We've got a lot that we've gotta think about after this one.

A whole lot.

Tonie: Yes.

Will: it's been a, it's been an absolute pleasure thanks

Tonie: so much for having me.

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