Dr. Howard Eisenberg Reveals the True Nature of Reality

0:00:01 - Will
Karen, we've had it all wrong we have All of it, all of it, the whole shebang. Oh man, we are about to get a wake-up call. That has been coming for a very long time and now it's here. Well, I guess that's good. It depends on who you talk to, because what we know about reality, see, it's all wrong. At least that's what our next guest is telling us, and he says that you can actually experience this mind-blowing reality of everything and get a peek at the world behind the world. Are you intrigued yet? 

0:00:32 - Karen
Very. 

0:00:33 - Will
I know I am, so let's not waste any more time and start the show. My name is Will. 

0:00:39 - Karen
And I'm Karen. 

0:00:41 - Will
And, unlike Mulder and Scully, we've embarked on a journey of discovery. 

0:00:44 - Karen
We've talked to people deeply entrenched in the spiritual and metaphysical world. 

0:00:47 - Will
We've thrown ourselves into weird and wonderful experiences. I even joined a coven of witches. 

0:00:52 - Karen
And wait, you joined a coven. 

0:00:54 - Will
Yep, all in the interest of finding something, anything. We've proved that there's something beyond this physical, three-dimensional world we all live in. 

0:01:02 - Karen
This is the. 

0:01:02 - Will
Skeptic Metaphysicians. Hi, I'm Will and I'm Karen, and today we're diving into the deep end of this stuff. At the top of the show I mentioned, Karen, that we had it all wrong. Well, dr Howard Eisenberg, a medical doctor with postgraduate training in both psychology and psychiatry, who pioneered the instruction of parapsychology as a regular credit course at the University of Toronto and was in fact, awarded the first postgraduate degree in Canada at McGill University for his highly successful parapsychological research on telepathy and he's here to give us a glimpse into what it's really all about Now, karen. 

0:01:48 - Karen
Yes. 

0:01:48 - Will
The most of the things that he's going to talk to us about we might already have had a couple of hints of throughout our show. This is going to be the deep dive and all deep dives into this stuff, because Howard has been on a lifelong quest to discover the true nature of reality. His book is Dream it To Do it the Science of Magic, and he's here with us today, Howard, welcome to the show. 

0:02:09 - Dr. Eisenberg
Hi, Will and Karen Glad to be here. Thanks for the opportunity to share this information with you. 

0:02:14 - Karen
Let's do it Well. We are very excited to have you on the show, dr. 

0:02:17 - Will
Yeah, this stuff. Everyone knows that this stuff is right up my alley and we've talked about all this kind of reality shifting and Mandela effects and all that kind of stuff. But you go way, way deeper, right. So what excites me the most about when we first talking is that apparently, like I mentioned, we've got it all wrong. How so? 

0:02:37 - Dr. Eisenberg
Well, fundamentally, we think that we're aware and live in a real world and in fact we're not aware and we live in an illusion. It's more comparable, in a way, to a dream, when we have dreams in our dreams, we think usually it's reality, until we wake up afterwards and right now, in a sense, we're in a dream state. It's actually more like a nightmare state, given the way the world's going right now, but the point is. 

It's not the full reality, and if we wake up and understand the fuller, the greater reality. We can wake up from this nightmare and have more peace of mind, more harmony, more well-being universally. 

0:03:22 - Karen
So can we wake up and still be here? Because if this is a dream, my first thought when we woke up was when we're dying. 

0:03:29 - Dr. Eisenberg
Yes, yeah, because, as I understand it, I use the analogy of amphibians like frogs or salamanders. 

They can live in two different dimensions water and land and similarly, I think, our nature is also amphibious. We can live on this level of reality, which is a level as we're commonly experiencing right now, but again, it's not the whole thing. Just for example, like when you see an iceberg above the waterline, the tip of the iceberg, that's a very small amount, proportion of the total mass of the iceberg under the water. So, again, we're aware of the surface, we're not aware of the vastly greater resources within us and we're very distracted by the outside and that almost blinds us to what really is within us. 

0:04:22 - Will
So we've talked a lot about that on the show, about us being multi-dimensional beings and all that kind of stuff and there's more to us elsewhere. But, doc, when I dream, if I pinch myself, I can tell I'm dreaming. If I'm pinching myself here, ow. So how can I mean it's so. 

0:04:42 - Dr. Eisenberg
Well, that's what you're thinking. Will I appreciate that? But I will tell you. Over the years, both through my students and lectures I gave to the public in broadly, I posed the question often to them is there any way that you could actually tell that you're not in a dream? And no one to this day including very eminent scientist and nationally has ever been able to answer that question, to absolutely say there's no way that you're in a dream, because when you're in a state you don't necessarily know you're in that state. I mean similarly with things like hypnosis. We can hypnotize somebody to not be aware of certain things that normally they would be aware of and other people would be aware of. So again, the mind can filter things, distort things. Unless we understand that, we're confused by, as they say, and living that illusion type of life. Wow. 

0:05:38 - Will
That's a hard one because intellectually I'm thinking, I can tell I'm not in a dream, because I can feel myself I'm not Okay so let me give you an example. 

0:05:48 - Dr. Eisenberg
Okay, one of my students experienced with this, so I taught them, as I teach in my book, how to control dreams. We call it dream programming or lucid dreaming. So I gave them an assignment. This was in University of Toronto, in my Paris Ecology and the graduate class, and I explained again the concept and I told them to try to modify a dream in the middle of a dream, to become awake, in other words, in the dream, but not totally awake, be able to modify the dream and then, when they woke up in the morning, to have a pad by their bedside and the right down immediately what they remember doing. So one of my students reported he had a dream about remembering the instruction I gave them in the class to try to alter the dream in some way and write it down as soon as you awaken. So he did that and then in the morning he awakened and he looked at his notepad and it was blank. So he had a dream within the dream. 

0:06:48 - Will
But okay so I'm still not 100% sure I understand how, because to me it seems very I mean pretty obvious that this reality feels very physical to me. But let's go beyond that for a second, because I'm really curious about if indeed we are in an illusion, if we're in a dream, like state, why would we be here? Why is life the way it is now? 

0:07:18 - Dr. Eisenberg
Okay so, what do most of us do when we're on board? In our minds? 

0:07:23 - Karen
Daydream. 

0:07:23 - Dr. Eisenberg
Daydream right Because we're bored and our understanding is that we're all collectively in this same dream. It's not just you having your own dream, and everybody else is having your own dream. 

We're collectively in this dream. The Shakespeare puts it all the world to stage and we're all players on it. But at a deeper level we're all connected. We all come from one source, which we sometimes call the source. I use another expression in my book, called Universal Mind. Some people would call it God-consciousness. So it's the source we all come from. So let me take your question back and at a level. So, if we all come out of the consciousness, the mind of the source, god-consciousness, for what reason? As we understand, for example, god, coming back to looking at from that lens, we think of God as being omniscient, omnipotent, having all knowledge, all power. So if God has all, then why bother to create us and the rest of the world? And I go back to our human experience. When we're bored, we daydream, so for God to be able to manifest the fullness, and I rather use the word source because it doesn't have some of the implications we have emotionally. 

For the source to be able, in a sense, to experience its fullness, it needs to dream us up and in a way we're extensions of that source and we enrich the experience of source when we fall in love. Many of us are particularly aware of looking in our loved one's eyes and we don't have to talk very much when we first fall in love. It's just a sense of connection. It's like source recognizing itself in one of the manifestations of us as seemingly individual, separate people. It's hard to overcome the bias that if we feel confident about something, we must be correct, but it's not a good reliant. Paul, the source of information, emotion, is feeling, but it's not wisdom. I mean, when you look at what's happening right now in your country, where you have, if I could put it one way, one reality, they can convince you right now and yet you have two very large blocks of observers of that reality, totally disagreeing on what the facts are, totally across the board. 

And you might think, well, if you show them something contrary to what they think, then they'll see it like. You know what can convince them? No, when we have fixed beliefs and we don't realize it ourselves, it's like blinders, it's like filters, it blocks our greater awareness. You're going deep into this now. You dove in on time with you, absolutely. 

0:10:26 - Will
No, I love this stuff. This is great. You mentioned something a little earlier and it gave me pause. You mentioned source dreaming us up, are you saying then? I'm afraid to ask the question, but are you saying that you feel that we are just big bits of God's or source's imagination? 

0:10:46 - Dr. Eisenberg
Well, first, I don't feel it, I know it, and it's not just imagination, and I want to come back and talk to you about imagination in a very different way. But I'll just go back and call the Bible for a moment, which Jesus says I and the Father are one, but the Father is greater than. 

I. So we're not the whole enchilada, we're not the whole package, we're a figure on the stage, but we are connected to the Grand Producer, director, and we can learn which I again try to explain in my book some of the techniques for this, how to access that deeper level of knowledge, of empowerment, of resourcefulness. Now I just want to come back on imagination, because in our culture we usually dismiss imagination. So that's just imagination, you're just imagining that it's imaginary, and that again is another example where we have it so wrong. Back to the wrong fall and reality wrong understanding of it. 

Imagination is actually the source of everything. Everything that has been discovered in science, everything that's been invented, has first come out of imagination. In my book I detail some of the most famous scientists and that's how they receive their understanding, their insight. Even people like Einstein was considered a mathematical genius as an adult, but he actually began his experimentation to learn the nature of reality when he was young, at 16. At 16 years of age he imagined riding a beam of light through the universe and that's what eventually led to the theory of relativity in E, mc squared. Not all the math later on in life. 

0:12:28 - Karen
It was envisioning it. 

0:12:29 - Dr. Eisenberg
Nikolai Tesla was tutored in the ancient Vedic philosophies of India and he was an inventor, and he is the one who invented the infrastructure for what we now call our modern electrical system and, for example, ac generation. And he would imagine these interactions in his mind visually, he would get them running, he would operate it like a simulation to see what's working, what's not working, what needs to be tweaked. So again, our whole understanding of what science has brought us is totally flawed. Science comes through imagination, not through calculation, not through laboratory experiments. 

And imagination is powerful. The placebo effect, coming back to again more complicated reference, the placebo effect is mind of a matter. When you believe something that chemically is inert, has no real effect, has some power over you. Often you will feel mentally and physically that effect Because of your belief. Belief can shape reality and we don't understand when we're caught in our belief system where the filters are like, where it's obscuring or distorting the greater reality. 

0:13:51 - Karen
You were saying that there's a difference between someone feeling like something's right and knowing that it's right, because feeling is an emotion and knowing is not. How do you know? How do you know that this is true? 

0:14:05 - Dr. Eisenberg
In two different ways, and it's a good question, Karen. 

And as you part of the introduction. I've been on this quest for a long time I'm at 77 now and it's almost been my entire life to try to understand the nature of reality just how do things work, why are things a certain way and so on, and it was something that just can't be very naturally. As a natural sort of curiosity it was spurred partly too as an adolescent when I'd read science fiction, which is like speculative things that could happen and seeing years later some of those things were pure speculations becoming actual reality, material reality. I also always from a really age-like challenge and as I was learning more about science I became more and more aware of how controversial the psychic phenomena of whole field of parapsychology was and in my case that just increased my interest in learning more about it and eventually doing research in this area, which I eventually did do with McGill, as you were eventually earlier and set up that telepathy experiment which had extremely successful outcome and was independently replicated after I did this experiment by another student. It just kept growing and growing, this desire to know, to understand, but it was always with a scientific lens, in other words, I wasn't basing it just on what I was told to believe or what people believe traditionally or emotionally, what feel comfortable or not comfortable. I really was looking at it scientifically, like what makes sense, tested out in some way, research at Marx. 

And then back to your question. In 2018, I was invited to present a keynote presentation to the annual conference of Association of Healers and I hadn't been involved as much in parapsychology for almost a half century since I wrote my book and had my course at the university. I went into the realm of corporate consulting, internationally training, management consulting and also coaching, and additionally, and still do have a medical practice in psychotherapy, so I still see patients. That's how I spent my earlier day today. It's still quite a mix. But back to the question. 

So in 2018, again to honor the invitation that I was given to be a keynote of an annual conference. I did a very deep dive into a half century of the parapsychological literature, since I had last been deeply immersed in it, teaching at the university and writing my own textbook and also the latest findings in quantum mechanics, the leading edge of physics and also comparative religion, looking at what we were learning about some of the differences and similarities of various religions, revisiting the indigenous teachings which I could go on to as to why. Looking at what was happening recently with the research that's opened up again with psychedelic drugs, looking at the latest neurological findings on neuroplasticity, how our thoughts can actually wire, physically wire our brain, so looking at all that again that data dump, still see a scientific lens. And then all of a sudden and I mean by sudden in a minute or two I had what some would, people would call revelation or some might more cynically say an insight. Suddenly the dots all connected and I suddenly realized still looking at what a scientific lens, sort of speak that everything out there was not so absolute and independent of us, but the only thing and this is my chapter two the only thing we could be absolutely aware of, absolutely aware of any of us is, we're aware of being aware. You cannot be aware of truth because, again, it can be biased, distorted in various ways, or your brain may be affected by something whatever. But that is something to really hold on to. 

And when I had that realization that ultimately it's all just coming from the mind, it's not out there and fixed, I had also a moment of almost a combination of sadness and panic and it was like, oh my gosh, I'm all alone, like if it's all just my imagination, I'm all alone. But quickly, fortunately, that flipped into a greater realization. You know I'm not alone, I'm connected to everyone and everything. So, to answer your question, deep, deep answer. But that's how I came to this understanding, this knowledge, not just the belief. And when you understand this deeper level that we can access, you can work with it. So I also, in my book, give some of the techniques for people to actually experience themselves as they're reading the book. You don't have to go off to an ashram for years to be trained. 

0:18:58 - Will
Okay, doc, You've convinced me. I'm picking up your book Because now I've got a. It sounds amazing. It sounds wonderful to have that kind of awareness. 

0:19:08 - Dr. Eisenberg
I also share with you too. Well again, I had written a book, as I said, a half century ago and it was also used as a textbook for my course, so it was a scholarly book. But when it came time to write this up as a book, from this awareness that we're all coming from source, that we're all connected, and also the awareness that, as I said, in a way, on this level reality we're in a nightmare right now, like it's like a dystopian reality, I felt called, I felt compelled to speak out, to share what I've learned with others before we totally self-destruct Because we're making such a mess at everything by almost every measure. This we thought not so long ago. We were going to the golden age, progress, and now it's so different. 

It's very hard for very almost any of us for ourselves and worse for kids and grandchildren to think like good times are ahead. It doesn't have to be this way. 

0:20:11 - Will
This is a feel-good portion of our show. 

0:20:14 - Karen
Is it too late to change? 

0:20:17 - Dr. Eisenberg
No, but I think the window's narrowing and that's why I felt such an urgency to issue what I really consider this as a global wake-up call. Two days, I am doing an inventational lecture to the faculty of the University of Toronto which will be live streamed around the world. Speaking this directly, I have one hour opportunity to try and explain this in a coherent way to people all over the world simultaneously. That's my plan in two days from now. 

0:20:51 - Will
Now, do you think it's because we are not aware that we're heading straight to the disaster? 

0:20:58 - Dr. Eisenberg
Absolutely. I mean, come back to this. So we're so unaware, as I say, that this is just one level of reality. We're so unaware that we come from this source and we believe the opposite. We believe that we're all separate from each other. We believe we're also separate from all other aspects of nature, so that makes us more, maybe, fearful of others. They're separate or competitive with others. 

And it leads us to, in a sense, almost rape our planet, which we've been doing. We've been using it as a dumpster to just dump whatever we don't need anymore. So that illusion of separation from each other and our Earth and everything on this planet is what's causing it, and that's why, when I say what I call it to wake up and realize, no, this is just one level of awareness. There's something much more deeper and profound and way more important right now for survival. 

0:21:59 - Will
Well, we need to take a break. The conversation is just getting started, but when we come back, we're going to dive a little deeper into what those other realities might be, and we also you mentioned the fact that you know that there's one thing that is the how can I say this the principle of the universe, and we'll talk about exactly that is. Karen, you're going to like this. Right after these messages, welcome back to the skeptic manifestations. We are talking to Dr Howard Eisenberg, who is here talking to us about some scary stuff, about looming disaster, because we are not awakened, and he is giving us a deep dive into the nature of reality, and it's not at all what you might have thought it was. Now, doc, just before we took a break, you had mentioned that this is. You mentioned it several times, but you had just finished saying that this is just the tip of the iceberg that we are experiencing right now, and the fact that we're not all aware of that is what's causing our separation and causing these dangerous things to happen in this world. 

Now there's one thing that will make this all better right, and that is the organizing principle behind the universe. If we wake up to it Now, tell us what is that? 

0:23:29 - Dr. Eisenberg
Well, I'll quote the Bible for a moment. God is love and, as strange as it may seem and I don't mean just in religious sense when I say this to you there was a psychiatrist, ariane Buck, who had a spontaneous mystical experience, a sense of a oneness of the all of us is sometimes referred to, and he wrote it up as a book called Cosmic Consciousness. And in his book he thought he had, as well as experience, had come to the insight that love was the connecting principle of the whole universe. When I first read that book a few decades ago, it didn't make any sense to me. I thought I guess he's lost it. 

0:24:12 - Will
Now, as most people would, yeah. 

0:24:14 - Dr. Eisenberg
But now, hopefully with some wisdom. You know, through my studies and this experience I had recently, as I mentioned to you, I came to understand it very differently. Love connects us. It's fear and hate that separate us, and the people who are stoking fear and hate in the population are the ones who are causing all this divisiveness. So cut it out, yeah right. 

And again, I repeat, there's different levels of reality and I'm working with more than one of them as we talk. So I was not too confusing. So I'll come back to again this sort of conventional reality we're in right now, this level of it, which is superficial. In this level we assume that our consciousness, our mind, comes from our head, brain. But will and can't? There's actually no proof of that, there's like none. I don't mean a little bit. There's none. There's not even a theory, a general theory, that can explain how the material brain can generate subjective and material consciousness. Yet people just assume it's true. And also on this level of reality, again, conventionally, let's call it, it's a, so we also only have one brain in our body. 

Not true? We all have at least three brains. We have a heart brain and also a gut or microbiome. Just to come back to the heart, from the history of my life, unknown to many people, the heart brain has neurons, nerve cells. The heart brain has its own memory system. The heart brain has more nerves that can control head brain function and the head brain can modify in the heart. 

0:25:58 - Karen
Wow. 

0:25:59 - Dr. Eisenberg
The heart has memory. The heart's like an intuitive channel, intuitive portal. The heart can even secrete the left hormone, oxytocin, which again connects us. These are your loving feelings. 

0:26:12 - Karen
Wow. 

0:26:13 - Dr. Eisenberg
I totally. Ancients used to believe that our wisdom came from the heart. We and our enlightened sense that we know it all thought no, it's all in the head, it's not. And now we're unfortunately going further that way with AI, artificial intelligence I mean. If humans don't have heart, what if we can expect an AI? 

0:26:32 - Will
I told you we're going to like it, Karen I know, I love it, I love it. Karen is all about love. She is a walking, talking, moving. 

0:26:40 - Dr. Eisenberg
Beautiful. 

0:26:41 - Will
It was a piece of love right Around us, so she's very connected to that. 

0:26:47 - Karen
And I do kind of get what you say. It's about the love, but then the fear and anger and all that comes in, and I think that's just what replaces the love. 

like when the feelings of love aren't there, then what kind of fills in those voids are fear and anger and hate and desperation, and I think a lot of people and this is just my opinion, but I think a lot of people feel like when we talk about love, it has to be like a romantic love or a mother child love, but it's just so much more to it than that. 

0:27:17 - Dr. Eisenberg
Love can express itself. No, it's connection Absolutely, and it's connection to everything. Yeah, it's like because it is. I mean it's again, we're extensions of source and we're seeing each other on that level. It is more of a we're getting both levels. We're getting the individuality, but also that deep sense of connection. And love is also very fragile, though, in this level of reality. I mean so many people who set off to be married and think they're committing for life, no matter what sickness or health, whatever it might be, they'll stay together or if they do not happen. 

And one of the things that makes it difficult to sustain loving, when we're also somewhat like individuals in this level of reality, is ego. I'm actually working on another book now on ego. So when we first meet somebody fall in love with, we just so enjoy the company where, maybe fascinated, that like some of things we like, or that some of things they tell us about other aspects life that we didn't know about before, and enjoy, but then after a while we get judgmental. Why do you always have to be that way? Why can't you do it my way? Why can't we do it now? Why is it always to be later? Why do you always do that? And we get more and more again into this separation, ego, competition in a sense, and judgment, and we forget what it was that was so rewarding to us. 

As I mentioned, I still work as a medical doctor. Do we circle therapy and couples counseling is often struck me how, when couples are disconnected, one way you know that without being a specialist, is there still a little eye contact? Or if it is, it's like a glaring contact, it's not like soft, warm, open eyes when we're walking about and maybe passing a young infant in a stroller, let us say, or something of that nature. Babies often will look at the eyes of strangers, unless they've been made fearful by their own parents and adults who aren't shy or embarrassed and meet the gaze of the baby, often smile, because it's just such a good feeling to connect and we're losing that these smartphone screens don't quite do it. It's like a solution as taking us in the other direction. 

0:29:42 - Will
So a couple of things. Earlier on, you dropped something that said that you were working on several different levels at the moment. Can you explain that to us, because I know that you're here with us right now having this conversation? But then it seemed to me that you said you were also, at the same time, existing on another plane as well. Was that did? 

0:30:04 - Dr. Eisenberg
I understand correctly? Well, yes, but it's not just me. 

0:30:07 - Will
I don't know how I explained it, but you might be more aware of it than the rest of us. Yes, exactly. 

0:30:12 - Dr. Eisenberg
And I'm more able to. How should I say go between them? 

0:30:15 - Will
Okay. So what is that? Other awareness like. 

0:30:20 - Dr. Eisenberg
Well, it's that feeling, that connection, that knowing of just being one with everything. 

0:30:30 - Will
So you feel connected at all times with everything? 

0:30:33 - Dr. Eisenberg
No, I didn't say all the time. Oh, you know, we're amphibious beings. 

0:30:36 - Will
Got it, got it, but you can flip back and forth between it at will. Relatively. 

0:30:43 - Dr. Eisenberg
Oh, that's amazing. 

0:30:45 - Will
And that's something that you feel anyone can do, Because I understand what you mean. I felt that level of connection before and I've talked about it on the show and it was astounding, but I haven't been able to hang on to it. I go to sleep next morning. It's gone. In other words, the butterfly story or the story where I was in the airport. It's an elusive feeling. 

0:31:12 - Dr. Eisenberg
So it is elusive, because there's an expression, the only cause to this change. That goes back to Greek philosophy, heraclitus, or in Buddhism they talk about impermanence, the principle of impermanence. So everything changes, everything's in flux. So it's not just your experience, everything as we understand it is in flux. Nothing is static, even getting back to source consciousness. Even for this there has to be some irregularities, some randomness. Let me come back to a human way of looking at things right now. If you had a particular TV show that you enjoyed, watching, a series, let us say and for some reason, going forth from a certain point, every time you went to watch your show it was the same episode every time and there were no other shows and no other channels, I mean not only would it no longer be something you'd find, you know, this is a hard one to get into interesting, it would become boring and perhaps a noxious heritage. 

So back to source consciousness. For source consciousness to have to sense that fulfillment, there has to be change. I think it's just the nature of things. 

And when we talk about manifestation which is very real, by the way- as I said earlier, everything does come from imagination and there's actually steps to it which I describe in my book, but I'll be coming back to it for a moment. As real as it is and it is real if you do it the right way it's not like a one-to-one correspondence or like when you flip a light switch that just because you do all the right things, it actually has to happen exactly as you wanted to and when you want it to and where you want it to. 

What it will do is increase the probabilities at your desired outcome. But because everything's changing and everything's at a certain level of flux, it's not like it's guaranteed that way. 

0:33:13 - Will
And you have absolutely no doubt that this is 100% fact. 

0:33:21 - Dr. Eisenberg
Strange, as am I seeing this. As I said, I used the word carefully. It was like a revelation in 2018. 

And it was very powerful, emotionally, very powerful when I was writing this book dream to do it, the science and the magic. In a way, I wasn't writing it, as I mentioned, half a century ago. I wrote a previous book on parapsychology at that time, but in an academic frame for a university where we use it as a course textbook, this one had a different voice and I can't even say to you I could recognize it. For example, there's an audio version of my book too, which I had narrated by a female announcer from a different culture, purposely, because this is not about me, it's about the message and teachings, and when I heard her version of my book at first it was the strangest feeling for me. 

0:34:18 - Will
like I wrote that, that's true, that's true, that's true. 

0:34:21 - Dr. Eisenberg
You know, so I asked you a question. Yeah, something else has been going on here, for sure, and given how people have reacted to the book so far, you know, my book is provocative because it's saying again the back where we started. We're reliving in this illusion of it's the wrong model of reality and it's causing all the problems we're having in so many different ways all over the world. But there's a magic in this. That's why I say to the science and the magic we can see, the light we can transform, and that's why I'm speaking out this way for all of us, because we're all connected this way, potentially, Well, I love your message, but I know Karen has a question. 

0:35:09 - Karen
I just wanted to ask you, since you had this revelation, how has, on a personal level, how has your life changed? 

0:35:19 - Dr. Eisenberg
Well, one way it's changed is the sense. Again I've been called a mission. It may seem to you like this is a choice for me to be talking to you about this, or have you authored the book? It's not a choice. I feel I have to Coming back to your question and explain it a little differently. Once I was aware of the fundamental connection between all of us and how our problems were because we had lost that sense of connection. He had also back to love and, I suppose, called path of the heart. Again I felt how can I ignore the suffering I see and the suffering I see and anticipate coming ahead? Because I also have a I don't want to use the word exactly visions, so they don't like see things outside that you wouldn't see. But I just know stuff before it happens sometimes, and a lot of it's not good stuff. And how do I stay quiet? With that I mean on one level, I'm a medical doctor and I'm trained to help people. 

I never thought I'd have to help the world but right now it's a pretty sick place, so I have to do what I have to do. 

0:36:35 - Will
No doubt about it. No doubt about it, and thank you for your service, because it indeed is what you're doing. A lot of people will take a look at that, what you're doing, and think you've gone off the rails. So, along those lines, what has been your experience when you've come out of the closet, so to speak, with this type of information in your field specifically? 

0:36:55 - Dr. Eisenberg
Well, that's the interesting thing. It's been incredibly positive. 

0:36:59 - Will
Oh, great Wonderful. 

0:37:01 - Dr. Eisenberg
I just had, for example, somebody in Australia just yesterday, you know, message me and he said somebody said brilliant and something like wonderful gift to humanity. People that I would have thought of as being very conservative people have really endorsed a big time. 

0:37:23 - Will
So then that's great news. I'm glad to hear that, because we've heard the opposite in a lot of instances. So that shows you a lot. But then I mean I've got so many damn questions and we're running out of time. I wanna go down that rabbit hole deeper. But I've got another question that, before we run out of time, I gotta ask, if this is all the way that it is, as you're saying, what happens to us when we die, If we are just big men, to the source of imagination, for example? What? 

0:37:56 - Dr. Eisenberg
Well, I'll go back for a moment to an analogy I used in the book and talk about ourselves, when we're seemingly our individual, separate from each other, as being comparable, symbolically, to the waves on the surface of an ocean. If you took a fixed photograph of the ocean, you could actually point to certain waves and say this is a bigger wave, this is a smaller wave, this one's growing, this one's looks like it's receding back into the body. If you're looking at it as a video or in real time, you literally see the waves emerging, forming and going back into the body of the water. So, first of all, I think that's our relationship with source. We're temporary extensions. So when you ask me, what happens, if you mean, do I think we have a discrete soul? No, because that would be separation, it's all one. 

Now, there are people who have, as you may know, very vivid memories which have been verified, we call reincarnation. There are people, too, who claim like they're mediums and they communicate with the spirits and the seas. Now, a lot of that's confusion. It's not that those things are not possible wave, but the interpretation is not, to say, correct. So if, for example, a medium is getting information about someone who's deceased and it's accurate information. It doesn't mean it's coming from a separate soul. It's more like in the cosmic information bank. Now there's a lot of emotional trappings and interpretations many people have come up with in the new age the supernatural, unfortunately, because the essence is simple. One of the things I really also found very interesting was when you look at religion, there's so many of them and Christianity alone. Believe it or not, there are over 40,000 denominations of Christianity in the world right now. 

I think there were over 45,000, precisely just Christianity. And there's so many other religions overachievers had and many of them, of course, claimed to be the right one, the exclusive one, and all the other ones are wrong. 

Even some, I argue, inspired by double somehow like enemy limited, if they can. Aldous Huxley and his brilliance looked at what's in common to all these major religions. Maybe that's closer to the truth and I think it's a really good way approaching things like what's in common to all of this. In signal noise detection theory they talk this increasing the recognition of the information, the signal from the noise. If you have a poor connection with someone, say by phone, and you have trouble hearing them if they keep repeating the same thing over and over again, eventually some of the gaps cancel out or distortion or static, and you hear the message more clearly. So you look at the commonality, what's in common. That's more likely to be closer to the truth. Have I blown your mind yet? 

0:41:09 - Will
From hello. 

0:41:11 - Karen
Right, you're leaving a speechless with. It rarely ever happens. 

0:41:15 - Will
Right. So I mean it all sounds wonderful, accessing this principle of love as organizing principle of the universe, accessing that awareness that we're all connected, that we're all one, being able to wake up to that reality. Aside from buying your book, is there one thing that someone listening to this right now could do right now that could start that process for them? 

0:41:45 - Dr. Eisenberg
Yeah, and that would be to learn meditation a proper technique. Yes, because that helps you become more aware of what's within. 

0:41:56 - Karen
So what. 

0:41:57 - Dr. Eisenberg
And have more control to not be caught up by distraction. 

0:42:01 - Karen
What do you mean by a proper technique? 

0:42:05 - Dr. Eisenberg
Well, there's cults and some people who have devious notions. So meditation is a thousand-year-old practice in many different cultures. But, as with many things, there are people who distort it sometimes and say like oh, for example, only their way is the right way. 

0:42:30 - Karen
And as with religion, it isn't that simple. 

0:42:33 - Dr. Eisenberg
There's different structure of different folks and there are proper ways to do it. Many people have a fundamental understanding of meditation. To begin with, they think if you're doing it properly or if you're able to do it, you should be able to clear your mind. It doesn't work that way. When we say the mind is always active, it's like a monkey mind. What you do learn in meditation is not to be caught up by your distraction, staying in control of your attention. 

0:42:57 - Will
So are you a proponent of guided meditations or sitting in silence? I know there's a lot of different thoughts on that. 

0:43:02 - Dr. Eisenberg
I think for a lot of people it's easier to start with a guided meditation and I have one of my own recordings in trunk with the experience. But I think ultimately you want to do it by yourself and you don't need any special equipment or place to do it. One of the most common ways historically, and still one of the most well-in-millow ways, is with your own breath. I give those instructions to my book. It's not complicated. 

0:43:29 - Will
It sounds like it'd be complicated because it's a lot. 

0:43:33 - Dr. Eisenberg
Well, okay, so one of my meditations for example that I described coming back. I'm just challenging you to be complicated I call shower meditation. 

So in shower meditation you try to have all of your awareness focused on the sensations you're experiencing physically in the shower the spray of the water, the temperature, the aroma perhaps of the soap or shampoo or conditioner, whatever. You're using sensations as you're applying it to your body and no thinking outside the shower. So it's not thinking out of the box, so you're not thinking about what you have to do next, or rather you're to do less, or something you remember, something you'd forgotten and you want to go down as soon as you can. You're using it as a discipline to just have your concentration exercised, by focusing it exclusively on just sensation in the shower. And you don't need to have any special apparatus in your shower. You don't need candles or incense, you don't even have to take any longer than you would for a normal shower. But it's an opportunity and, I think, simply not a difficult way to work with meditation. 

0:44:38 - Karen
I never thought about that. That's great, and it's a nice easy way to kind of get started on it. 

0:44:42 - Dr. Eisenberg
Yeah right, I'm not describing it as a walking tour. 

0:44:45 - Will
So really, it's about being in the moment, as focused as possible. 

0:44:49 - Dr. Eisenberg
Yes, yes, because the moment is all that there is. You know, I say like the now is your point of power, the past, so to speak. Right, it's gone, can't go back, can't cover spilled milk, right, and the future we can't control. That's why it's the future. All we can do is influence. So again, we can change the probabilities. 

0:45:15 - Will
Karen, now hearing that story, or that meditation to shower, turns out I've been meditating a lot more than I thought I was. 

0:45:21 - Karen
There you go. Just have to stop thinking about it's Thursday. 

0:45:25 - Will
Yes, oh, my God, that monkey mind does not stop. 

0:45:28 - Karen
It is terrible. 

0:45:30 - Will
Doc, this has been eye opening. It can thrill, really exhilarating everything all at the same time. If someone wanted to reach out to you to go deeper into this stuff, what's the best? Way for someone to do that. 

0:45:50 - Dr. Eisenberg
My website says drhowardeisenbergcom. It's drhowardeisenbergcom. 

0:45:57 - Will
We're going to add a direct link to that website as well as to your book. So anyone who's interested can just go to skepticmedivisioncom and you can access his book and his website directly from the show notes. But I don't think we've even come close to covering this topic. I think we're only up to chapter two. 

0:46:17 - Karen
Not even. 

0:46:17 - Will
I don't think we've gotten to chapter two, but I do. I'm going to get the book because I think it sounds fascinating, right up my alley, and I hope that we get an opportunity to talk again in the near future. 

0:46:30 - Dr. Eisenberg
Thank you. I really appreciate the opportunity. Will Karen, Thank you. 

0:46:34 - Will
And a huge thank you to you yes, you the person that hit play on this episode. We know that there are tons of options out there, and having you decide to come along on our journey of discovery with us is an absolute honor for us. Well, that's all for now. We will see you on the next episode of the Skeptic Manifestation. Until then, take care.