The Porch Is Live - Trade Deadline Talk and Steelers Camp

00:00 Steve this one. Yep. Maybe, maybe not. We know that you're live. No, I know. I know that you're not. I try to catch you all the

00:07 Chris time. We're gonna have to switch. You couldn't do it. I couldn't help myself. It is a good try. What you didn't know was that I was recording that entire conversation we just had.

00:18 Steve Oh, well, that's just dangerous. All right, let's do it.

00:30 Chris Oh, yeah, we got a lot of shit to talk about tonight, man. If you guys could just be here for the pre show, you know what, maybe we'll do a subscription only pre show. But I gotta warn everybody the pre show, it is completely uncensored. Yeah. So if you are sensitive in any way, you're not going to want to do that. But we'll talk about that later. Right now. I want to welcome you to the sports porch, the Pittsburgh edition. Thank you for being here. We are right now all over the world on social media. We are on Facebook. We are on LinkedIn. We are on YouTube. We are on Twitter slash x. We'll talk about that later. And of course, we dropped the podcast right after the show. And where can you listen to the podcast Schwabber? Www.com. That's right. The porch is live.com. The porch is live.com. And what I really meant is on the iHeart radio app, Apple podcast, Spotify or anywhere you get your friggin podcast. That's where you can listen to the podcast. You should have asked that. Sorry about that. You didn't specify. Sorry about that. So your line anyway, thanks for being here, guys. Look, this is our this is our third week. If you're watching us live on social media, grab that phone number down at the bottom on the ticker for one to eight oh five seven two three six. You can get in as part of the show. We love to have it. Also, you can chat with us during the show. And I want to thank everybody who listens to the bucko's report after every pirate's game on the podcast, the sports porch podcast on Apple, Spotify, iHeart or anywhere. You know, they suck right now, but I've I've been enjoying it. Right now. Yeah, right now. And this is what I want to do. We're going to talk about a lot tonight. So obviously, we're going to talk about the buckos. We're going to talk about the pirates. The trade deadline is coming up in just a few days. And, you know, there's a lot of things that are going to happen. There's a lot of speculation. We have our opinions. We want to know what your opinion is. And then we're going to move on because thank God camp is starting. Football. And FL is back in town, baby. We mentioned on another show, we mentioned on another show that we're Jones and like, I'm starting to get the shakes now. Yeah, it's right around the corner. We're going to talk about that. So this is the first subject. OK, trade deadline. Who do the buckos trade at the deadline? Keller, Bednar, Kutch, Santana. Tell us what you think at four one two eight oh five seven two three six are in the comments. And of course, you know, earlier today that it was mentioned that the pirates are starting to tell teams that Bednar is available. Look, that makes complete sense. There's no reason to have him on the on the roster.

03:32 Steve They're saying he's available, but only for the right price, which is going to be very steep because he's under control till twenty twenty seven. Yes. Right. They could get a haul for him. Well, I thought it was really more like they were saying he's not that available.

03:46 Marc Who knows what these idiots. Yeah, you don't know. That's absolutely true. But I mean, they did say they're listing the offers for him. Yeah. And they should. Unlike Kutch. Yeah.

03:57 Chris I guess they're not even going to talk to people about Kutch. I you know, and I find that believable, but hard to believe if you understand what I'm saying. DG is in the house. What's up, DG? David, welcome to the porch. Oh, man. So I you know what? Let's just start with Bednar.

04:19 Marc Should they trade Bednar? Should they? Yeah. No, I don't think they should. What's the point? I mean, they're going to stink this year, right?

04:27 Chris That's the reason you trade him.

04:29 Steve No, no. If you plan on being good at any point in your future, you need somebody who can save a game. That's right. Right.

04:34 Marc And let's seem to be a dime a dozen now. They do seem to be a dime a dozen. So I guess it all depends on whether they feel like they have somebody who can step in and, you know, be that person. If they are, then sure, of course, you always should trade when it comes to that sort of thing. But I just don't see who that would be. It seems like they've always traded the way they're relief pitcher,

04:56 Chris like the past three or four that they've had. Yeah. Melancon. Yeah. Melanson. I know. Melancon.

05:02 Marc The new Melloncally. But I mean, I mean, this team is built not for this year. We all do that. They're not even really built for next year. Yeah. Next year is when you want to see some growth. Right. That you we thought we were going to see it this year with the great start that they had. It's like, oh, maybe this this year is next year. But actually, this year was just this year.

05:22 Chris Oh, also, don't forget about. That's a great quote. This year was next year. But what ended up happening was this year was this year.

05:30 Steve Actually, there was some breaking news today.

05:32 Chris What didn't they extend Shelton? No, that no before that. They did that back in May.

05:39 Marc Yeah, they did that. They did that many months ago when they were really good, actually.

05:43 Chris They were they were talking about it today, though. Yeah, we might have been talking about how it was a big.

05:48 Marc Maybe they actually released, you know, what the because they know. I never really heard like, was it a year? Was it two years? Was it just for this year? I don't know. I mean, they never really announced what the extension was. Yeah, maybe they went in the details about it, but that's irrelevant, really, when it comes to the Pirates, because, yeah, when the if they do get good, not this year, not next year, but probably the next year, they'll need a new they'll need a new coach.

06:12 Chris I mean, he's clearly not good. He's horrible. Yeah, I think that. And if you listen to the Buccos report, I complain about it all the time. OK, Bednar, I think they should trade him. I do, because I think they need some capital. You know, they they need. What do you mean by capital? I think they need to get some younger players that have the potential to be different kinds of hitters, because this lineup right now is filled with aging veterans who can't hit any more the way. And listen, everybody's a fan of Kutch. He doesn't hit the way he used to. Well, that's true.

06:48 Marc I mean, he was supposed to be a run of player. I understand. Just to get seats.

06:52 Chris You need people in the seat. They need and they need a big guy that can hit a home run. They need a guy that can hit for average. They need a guy who's a prototypical leadoff hitter. They've they've screwed around with that spot. We'll talk about that in a second. I hear a Tony's available. They need they need a one through nine hitter in the lineup. They do. They need a one through nine and five starting pitchers. And so, wait, are you souring on Swinsky? No, I'm not. Now explain that in a little bit. But because I mean, you're kind of talking about him in a way. Yes. But but back to Bednar, Bednar. And if you're going to be true to a guy like Bednar, who's a hometown boy, he pitched for Mars High School, send him to a team that has a shot at making the playoffs, because I don't really it's not a given that they're going to be any better next year. It's just we know that we know that.

07:46 Marc That's true. And it's also not a given.

07:48 Chris They'll have a real starting pitcher maybe next year. Right. And maybe maybe in this skein thing is way too off the charts for me. And we can talk about that, too. But but there's not a he's a number one pick. It should be off the charts. No. All right. All right. Klein is saying they gave him almost 10 million dollars. Yeah. You know, he's got to be somebody they put into the lineup next year. People have wasted money on lesser players. So I'm just saying that the pirates have that. Absolutely. The Bednar Bednar should be given the chance to pitch with meaning because he gives he when he does get a chance, he gives it his all. I mean, he is a he is a good relief pitcher. He's he's a he he could be a great closer. He's just not getting enough chances to actually put up the numbers to be a great closer. I mean, his stats say he's great. But he you know, a guy like him needs to finish the year with 37, 40 saves, and then it's like, man, he's a great.

08:43 Marc If he was pitching every other night, maybe he would be horrible. Yeah, it actually is.

08:48 Steve I don't know. I mean, you just don't know because he's never really done it. There is something to that.

08:52 Marc Like when I watch him pitch, he doesn't look like he's thrown with a lot of velocity. But he is. And he always puts players on.

08:59 Chris Yeah. Well, that's the game. Just the game the other night that they won three to nothing. He walked the first guy, hit the next guy, struck out that next guy, then walked the next guy bases loaded. And there was a comeback or to the mound that he threw to Rodriguez to get the out at home. And Rodriguez threw it up the first. Yeah, that's how he pitches. But the point about him is you're actually using one of their rookie catchers. Yeah, we'll talk about that. Wow. The point about Bednar is that it doesn't matter if there's one, if there's nobody on base where the bases are loaded. He doesn't change his approach. He doesn't. It doesn't phase him.

09:34 Marc Well, most relievers are like that, right? They have they have a routine. And regardless of who's on or what's happening, they they know what they're going to be doing.

09:43 Chris Yeah. So I think I hate to say it because I wish the pirates were better and they could use him for what he's really meant for, which is big games that mean something, not we got to get out of this slump. So I say trade him.

09:59 Steve Well, I say Mark's going to have to be the tiebreaker here. Yeah. You say no, I say yes. Right. I say keep him. You say I say keep him. I mean, but at the same time, I don't know that he's actually as good as this year. He's having he might be just having a career year.

10:17 Chris No, he was he was just as good last year. I don't think so. I mean, yeah, he was an all star last year.

10:23 Marc I don't know. Yeah. Well, this year he was a replacement all star.

10:28 Chris All right. So you say you say keep him. OK, so two to one, you guys say keep him next. So let's talk about Kutch. Now, I know, first of all, Kutch has stated, I don't want to play anywhere else, which pretty much means he wants to finish his career here, which pretty much means he's either going to retire after this year. Right. Or sign another one year deal. OK, so I get that. Makes sense. I also get that they would respect his wishes. OK, but let's let's take I don't get that. But well, let's take well, I get it from the standpoint of they're saying, OK, you're reaching the end of your career and we'd love to have some more good feelings from the fans.

11:02 Marc Yeah. But when of the pirates ever the organization ever done

11:06 Chris anything that's good for players? OK, we're I don't want to go down that road because you're not going to get an argument.

11:12 Marc Yeah. I'm just saying, like, I don't understand why they wouldn't want to trade him. Like, they've screwed so many players over in the past. What's another guy? So unless they know he's literally going to retire at the end of the season and they're going to have a press conference about it and the last five games are at home, they're going to sell out because everybody wants to see Kutch.

11:30 Chris That would be the only reason they would want to keep. And maybe he's moving into the front office. And yeah, yeah, right. Maybe something. So let's go back to the throw all of that out. Let's say that that none of that was ever discussed. Would you trade Kutch right now?

11:45 Marc Oh, absolutely. Hell, yeah. Yeah, because he's already done what they wanted him to do. Right. Which was you have some hype at the beginning of the season. Right. Put some fans who normally wouldn't come into the ballpark.

11:58 Steve You OK there, Mark? Make and do. OK.

12:01 Chris Yes. I mean, he had to slam dinner down before the first show. Yeah. And I had to remind him about chewing with his mouth open. Yeah, that's so he might.

12:11 Steve He might actually. He might actually have not true. What are you talking about? You just saying that because, you know, Amy is going to laugh.

12:20 Chris I did ask. Well, he ever got on him about it. And he went sometimes anyway. So so yes, I would trade Kutch. Yeah. Yeah.

12:29 Steve I would absolutely trade Schwabber. I wouldn't trade Kutch, but I'd trade McCutcheon. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

12:38 Chris Yeah. I would trade him to get to put him on a team where he has a chance to win and also to see what I could get for him. Yeah. Here's here's one. This is totally controversial and no predictions. And just want to remind everybody, look, we're three 30, 30 plus year buddies. We're just like you guys. We sit around and talk sports. The only reason we call ourselves experts is because we're experts on slinging bullshit. But that's what you do when you talk. We you know, you talk to your friends and you talk about sports. That's what the show is about.

13:10 Marc So you don't have to analyze it. Just talk your feet. Yeah. Just give us your feelings. That's what we say. So we care about Mitch Keller. Would you trade him? No, I wouldn't trade Keller. No. Well, I mean, I know he's going through a rough patch.

13:23 Chris Well, we got Paul Skeens coming up. He's the he's the next Nolan Ryan.

13:27 Marc Hey, here's breaking news. They need more than one pitcher.

13:33 Steve They start five. And yeah. Oh, and Keller.

13:36 Marc Keller is turning out the, you know, not be doing very good. He's turning into shit again. Yeah. Yes. So, I mean, that would be a reason to get rid of him if they think he's totally lost his shit. But I don't think he has. I just think, you know, it's you're playing for the Pirates. So it's frustrating. I think he's going through a rough patch. I think they just need to keep him. I think he'll I think he'll get better after the trade deadline when they keep him, because that will be out of his head. Right. You know what I mean? I think I just think that gets in the anybody's head. Like, let's say, you know, you thought you were going to move. Your company was going to move. And you're like, I can't even really focus. Like, what if I got to buy a new house? What if I got to move the family? Like, I just think that's what's happening to him now. Sticks in your crawl. Yeah, sticks in your crawl. Excellent. Mark, the new sports course sticks in your crawl. What? So I would and I wouldn't get rid of him. I think he's good. I think he's a good enough to be a starter for this team. Maybe, you know, he would might be a fourth or fifth starter on a really good team. But for the Pirates, he'd be a first or second starter.

14:40 Chris Yeah. Well, he's got an he's got an arbitration year coming up. And they were talking extension with him or, you know, there was speculation about should he be extended.

14:50 Marc And it's funny how right after the All-Star break, he's always him. I wouldn't extend. Not with not at all. Yeah, no, not at all. I just go to arbitration.

14:59 Chris That's why 20 million. That's why I'm saying, would you trade him now because he is fast fading?

15:04 Marc And no, because I think you just take him arbitration. That way he gets his 20 million. You get him for another year. And if he's good, then they don't want to pay. They don't want to pay somebody 20 million. They don't want to pay anybody any million. Yeah. But which is why he is when they wait, we paid 10 million for schemes. They clearly recognize that good talent has to be paid

15:25 Steve more than like two million dollars. Well, also, when you're the first pick overall, you have to be paid. Yeah. There's no way around it.

15:32 Chris Right. Yeah, that's true. OK, I just think that that's why I wouldn't get rid of him. Yeah, I'm on the fence about that because of the arbitration issue and the other things we talked about and that his value as a trade piece right now is for a franchise that looks to not spend money. I think looking forward, this is something that would not surprise me.

15:58 Marc So, OK, Carlos Santana. Gone. I don't even have to think about that. Yeah, just get rid of him now. He's occupying a space that cannot easily be be. Yeah. Put on Jackson Winske.

16:10 Chris Yeah. Yeah. Outright release him. Yeah. Yeah. You think so? Just dump it. Just dump him on the side. Would you please take him away from us? Yeah. So, yeah. And I would trade Santana to the question with Santana is, what do you really get back for a guy who's a career to 40 hitter and his best year was like 26 home runs?

16:31 Steve Well, I don't know. Maybe they can fill up the soda machine. You know, the bottom. That's a good idea. The pop machine, the pop machine. The bottom line, though, is is that there's countless, countless guys who go on and become stars who were throw ins and deal. That's true. For sure. Yeah. Not just in baseball. Yeah. So you just, you know, you take a stab at a throw in and maybe you hit

16:54 Chris Peter. Yeah. OK. Anybody that comes to mind that you think. You know, they should trade. They could trade hedges. I don't think anybody wants him.

17:07 Marc No, nobody wants him. Once again. Yeah. Get rid of him. Yeah.

17:10 Chris Or you got two catchers who can play his role. You just signed Reynolds. I mean, what are you going to do? You can't trade him.

17:16 Marc No, you got to let him play out this year and next year. If next year they're not relevant and he wants to get out of here, get him out of Rich Hill. Rich Hill. Oh, yeah. He's somebody will take him.

17:28 Chris Yeah. He's like 45 years old. Well, the thing about Rich Hill is this 43. But the thing about the thing, oldest player in the more major leagues right now. But the thing about Rich Hill, after watching him pitch all year long, is he is he is just absolutely the poster boy for the savvy veteran gives you innings, doesn't really get flapped and understands that you have to pitch through issues. And in spite of his kind of bloaty ERA in the hot in the mid to high fours, he keeps you in games and he will get you to the six inning. And that's the kind of back of the rotation guy that a or even come in. He might even be good as a change of pace, coming in in long relief on a team that is a playoff contender. Yeah. The question, again, is what do you get back for him? And like you said, Schwabber, you know, there's a lot of throw in guys.

18:27 Steve Yeah, he's an inning eater. Yes. That serves a purpose in the regular season.

18:31 Chris And then you leave him off your playoff roster. Right. And he's a pro. You know, he is. He's a pro. And every time he pitches, I feel horrible for the guy.

18:39 Marc Well, that's why I think somebody would probably would want him. Yeah. Every every team in the playoffs once more pitching. Yeah. Yeah. And if he's a veteran guy and he knows how to get out there and, you know, give a good inning or two, he's valuable. So so I think he'd be he'd be he'd definitely be worth throwing in with some. Yeah.

18:57 Steve Well, what about no Holderman?

19:01 Chris You know, I thought about that. I thought about that.

19:04 Steve I don't even know who you're talking. Holderman, Holderman. But I don't know who I give him the nickname. No. He was in the. Yeah.

19:11 Chris Doesn't get hopes. Well, he did. He did. He played for the Mets. He played really well for them. The Pirates brought him in the beginning of the year. He was part of that bullpen where you brought him in. And he was your setup guy. I got you. And he was he was pitching really well. Then he got injured. And when he came back, it took him a few games and they were horrible innings. But the last couple of times he's been out there, it seems like he's found his groove again. And he's a lefty, isn't he? Holderman is a lefty.

19:44 Marc Well, I'd say a guy like while you're looking at up. Yeah, I'd say a guy like that, if they went to get him and they and he's pretty good. Why why give him up? Like, you know, if if if he's good for like the next two or three years, he's a righty. Colin Holderman, he's he's a righty. He could fit into the picture next year. I wouldn't I wouldn't give a guy like that away. Yeah, but he's the kind of guy you could get. You could get value. I don't care. I don't think they need any more value. That's my point. But they need they need to have that's their mantra. Oh, yeah, I know. I'm trying. I'm trying to break that because remember at the beginning of the season, I said, watch, they're going to be terrible. They're going to sell everybody off. They're going to have to start from scratch again. You got to keep some of these guys year after year, at least a couple of three years in a row, especially if you're not looking to win this year or next year. You got to keep some of these players together so they can figure out how to how to play together as a team. Right. And if you're constantly remaking the team, there is no team.

20:39 Chris You know, you're filled with some great shit tonight. What was the what did he say earlier? If you're constantly remake this year, there is no team.

20:46 Marc Yes. This year was this year. There was this year, not next year, which is this year. I think you changed it, but it was still just as prophetic. Yes. Yes. But the bottom line of the pirates are they can't sell everybody off. You should sell off. Sure, they can. No, they should. Well, they do try from year to year. And that's the problem with the pirates. They got to keep some of their younger players and some of the players they went to get, even if they are, they're not that great. They have to they have to figure out a way to make them work. And the old guys say goodbye. You move on. I'm ready for the old.

21:19 Chris I'm ready for Steelers talk. There you go. Well, listen, guys, a lot of people are like the comments are really, really quiet. And I usually we have a ton of comments. Well, Richard's not here. Well, and it's also the dead zone still. And, you know, listen, four, one, two, eight, oh five, seven, two, three, six, this is a talk show. Get yourself on the air with us. Yeah. And tell us what you think. OK, I'm going to have a.

21:43 Marc Hey, by the way, before we move away from the pirates, I just wanted to announce that I will be going to a pirate's game. Now, which one? August 11th, I got a free ticket with some other boys that I spent some time at another job. That would be the Boy Scouts. Maybe. No, actually, I have friends other than you guys. Sorry to start to break your hearts. I know I just want to I just want to announce it over here, over the, you know, the airways here so that everybody knows I do have other friends.

22:16 Chris The the question the question is on Kiefer. No, I got a Molly McButter. No, McButter. The question is, are you able to be as vulnerable with those friends as you are with us?

22:30 Marc Oh, yeah. But in a different way, you know, we kind of we kind of we kind of razz about like work stuff. Really? Old work stuff. Yeah. New work stuff. But this is the engineering crew. Do you do you wear dresses? We will not wear dresses, but I can tell you their feelings about the pirates are very similar to ours.

22:50 Steve There were. Well, geez, that's a surprise. I thought you weren't going to give nothing any of your money. Yeah.

22:56 Chris I it's a free ticket. So are you not going to buy anything? Oh, no, I'm going to buy a beer or four. Really? Yeah. Beer for.

23:03 Marc Well, I'm going to be at. I mean, come on. I mean, you got it. You got to go to the stands because otherwise they wouldn't employ anybody.

23:11 Chris We're doing it for the people. DG says we're quiet because we're all still reeling from that dicks on six. What show was that?

23:22 Steve Was that was that that was the Philly show? That's where no, that's where you get yourself in trouble. Yeah.

23:28 Chris Listen, I have been first of all, I'm a professional at that. And second of all, I take it very seriously. OK, one last comment from me on.

23:40 Marc By the way, I don't know who they're playing that game. Yeah, it doesn't really.

23:43 Steve Yeah. Can we not have one less comment from you on the buckles? No, you have to have one less comment from me. I want to do it. Good try.

23:50 Chris A minute longer. You've asked me a question. He said, are you souring on Swinsky? I did. And I want to respond to that. No, I'm not souring on Swinsky at all. I made this comment on the buckles report actually for last night's game. And the comment that I I talked about was the fact that. When you have a team and two out of the three leading batting statistics are, you know, batting average home runs runs batted in. Yeah. OK. Team leaders batting average catch to 67. Home runs, Jack Swinsky, 20 RBI's, Jack Swinsky, 51. Why in the hell are you sitting him? Right. He is your best. His average is not great, not good, but he is your best hitter. He is. He is your best hitter, power hitter on. Absolutely. And he's not your best power hitter. Like like so terrible, but he's the best at like 12 home runs halfway through the season. Right. He has a legitimate shot or had a legitimate shot at 40 home runs.

25:03 Steve Yeah. And he needs every bet he can get. Absolutely. Yeah, absolutely.

25:08 Chris So what do you do? What do you do? Oh, let's bat Connor Joe first. OK, Connor Joe, who shouldn't even be on the damn team, to be honest with you. Brad is in the house. Brad Trombley, welcome to the show. Thank you. Use that term loosely. Give us our gentleman. Yeah, obviously. I don't know what show you're listening to, Brad. But but Connor Joe, Connor Joe is batting lead off. And then what do you do the last two games? OK, I think I think yesterday's game or yeah, yesterday's game. They pinch hit for Connor Joe in the leadoff spot with Swinsky. And like, I don't know, the seventh or eighth inning. But most of the time, what happens is, you know, he's got Connor Joe leading off and then he pinch hits Jack Swinsky in the ninth inning. OK, the guy is cold on the bench. Right. All right. He already has a little bit of an issue with strikeout. Right. OK. He's a freaking power hitter. You can't have a power hitter come in cold off the bench in the ninth inning when you need three runs.

26:08 Steve Well, maybe they're trying to injure him. Look, you should be swinging the bat in the cages in the back.

26:13 Chris Maybe he is. But that's not the same as live pitching. I mean, you swaps.

26:20 Marc Now, well, I'm glad to hear you're not so no way. Because I think he plays an integral part of this team moving forward.

26:26 Chris He's getting a raw deal. Well, Jack Swinsky is getting a raw deal. He plays for the Pittsburgh Pirates. The Pirates are not making the playoffs. They're not winning the central division. They're most likely it's going to be a challenge for them to win 70 games. OK, stay out of the basement the way they're going. Now, they're definitely going to. I don't think they're I think they're staying in the basement. Listen, sue me if I'm wrong. Swinsky's number just hasn't DG says. Swinsky's number just hasn't been called lately during Sheldon's daily baseball lineup bingo. Exactly. OK, so get this guy. That's what I'm saying. Get this guy.

27:05 Steve Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I like that kind of party. They've just been given so in ski a box of rocks.

27:12 Chris Yeah, they have. Yeah, they really have. He needs to be batting number five or maybe number six when he's struggling every damn night. And he also he's fast on the base paths and he plays a great foot. He plays a great he plays a great he gets in your. OK, OK. This is stuck in my crawl right now. It is. It is. Let's move on. Listen, Pirates, Sheltie, Nutting, Charrington. If you're listening to me, listen, listen to me. No, you are. OK. So Winsky needs to play every damn game. All right. Every damn game.

27:48 Steve All right. Just client for manager.

27:50 Marc Last thing I want last thing. I'm surprised he's not wearing his O's. Last thing. That's only common when they win the World Series.

27:57 Chris I'm not jinxing anything. I guess we're not seeing anything.

28:00 Steve I finally comes out. He thinks they're winning the World Series.

28:03 Chris Listen, DG. There you go. DG. I want to thank you for that. DG. DG sent us all, you know, our favorite teams and these beautiful. What do you call them? Water mugs, coffee, hot mugs, dugout. You can put all kinds of things. Whiskey goes well in it. There's a lot of things we were talking about before the show, but it would it would take an effort. A lot. So listen, DG, ever since you sent me this, they've done better. So it's staying right here. I thank you for that. Is that a bird wearing a hat? It is a bird wearing a hat. That's right.

28:34 Marc On a hat. Right. Yep. Yep.

28:36 Chris Sounds like an infinite regress. And all right. All right. All right. And yours truly this Friday night, I will be at the Buccos game right behind home plate. Let's go. It was my father's day gift from my from my wife right behind home plate. So you can see me if you want Friday. Yeah, this way. I'm going to watch the whole thing. I'm watching the whole game. I'm going to give you the finger watch. I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, hey, Steve, yeah.

29:02 Marc I know this is going to be my first game that I will. I love it. OK. I'm beginning to end. All right. All right. I might invite Kiefer. All right. Please do.

29:12 Chris OK. Your buck goes report after every pirates game on the podcast on I Heart Apple, Spotify, wherever you get your podcast. Thanks, guys, for listening. I actually do enjoy doing it. And then I do. I think I think the fact that you spent 30 minutes talking pirates is remarkable. It is remarkable. I mean, it's a talent. It's a skill. Thank you. Wow. A rare comment from Mark Schwal.

29:33 Marc I mean, he did. He did say we're great at bullshitting. Yeah, that is true. 30 minutes is nothing for a good bullshitting. And I found it to be remarkable. Yeah. Let's move on. Come on. We're talking about training camp.

29:45 Chris I am jonesing for some training camp. Yeah, let it let us do that.

29:51 Steve If you want to get to the.

29:58 Marc Keep the keep the music going. No. Well, that was music. I couldn't tell.

30:05 Steve Steve. I'm here. What are you looking forward to this training camp season?

30:10 Chris Yeah. What's going on, buddy?

30:12 Marc I tell you, there are two things that I got my eye on. Can we pull into a late robe when the stillers are pulling in the late robe? First thing I'm looking at, the first thing I'm looking for is who's going to show up in a Bentley on Wednesday? Yeah. Who's going to show up? Who's going to show up? Well, I don't think so. He says the running backs are poor. OK. So I don't think he's going to be showing up in a Bentley. I think he's going to be showing up like an afford escort. Just to prove a point is going to be coming late from a Zoom meeting. No, I think I think the Zoom meeting is now over. No, but here are the two things, the two things that I am going to be looking for in training camp. One is the battle at the at the left tackle between Dan Moore Jr. and our first round pick, Mr. Broderick Jones. Broderick Jones. I think that's that's probably going to be the biggest. That's going to be the biggest battle that I think is going to be happening on the offensive side. But I also think it's going to be interesting what's going to happen with the third wide receiver position. You know, Calvin Austin, the third, was highly touted in in in last year's camp, and then he got hurt and then he was out for the season. The guy is supposedly super fast, unbelievably talented, and they brought in Alan Robinson. So I think that's a really interesting spot to watch. The third wide receiver position. And lastly, of course, you know, everybody's I really don't care about Canada's offense anymore. I'm not going to I'm not even going to say Canada is a terrible offensive coordinator from this point on, because I think everybody recognizes that. Yeah, it actually hurts to talk about that. Right. So I'm just not even going to look at that. I'm the only thing I'm going to look at is is Kenny Pickett throwing the ball outside of the red zone into the end zone or is he not? And that's the last thing I'm going to be looking for. Yeah, because they haven't really they haven't really done it to date. And when they have pickets not been good with it.

32:11 Chris So here's the thing I I I think about when I think about the Steelers and all of the hype, you've got a fan base. And, you know, I always like to talk about the fan base here. You've got a you've got a it's a big one. Yeah, you've got a fan base that is used to 17, 18, maybe even 19 years of, you know, pretty good football play earlier in that time frame. You know, Super Bowls, Hall of Fame quarterback, all that kind of stuff. Yep. And I was listening to some of the other sports shows and they brought up a pretty good point. The time between Terry Bradshaw and the next good Steelers team was, you know, fairly significant. You know, 12, 13 years, 14, 14. Thank you. You would know. And I lived through them. Yeah. Yeah. And we lived through you.

33:10 Marc That's true. I was in college. I know. Go Steelers. Bobby. Bobby. Bobby. Bobby was fun to watch. But man, I was not talented.

33:19 Chris Tommy Gunn, Tommy Gunn. Yeah. Cordell Stewart.

33:24 Marc Well, Cordell, Tommy Gunn was short lived. Yeah, he was. You're in a game, I think.

33:29 Chris He was like the magic, the Don Majewski. What was him? Don Magic Man. Yeah, Magic Man. Thank you. Anyway, anyway. And what they're basically saying was, you know, there's such high expectations right now. And what I think is interesting is when they talk about Calvin Austin, the third. Right. OK, he was he was drafted two years ago. He got injured. He didn't play. Right. There should be no hype around this guy. No, there's no hype around. There is hype around. If you listen to the if you listen to the media, they're hyping him. They're like, oh, he's got to fit in. He's going to be really fast and blah, blah. And I mean, no, I no hype. No, no. We don't even know if he can catch the football. Well, that's true. We haven't.

34:13 Marc We actually haven't seen him. Right. Period. And nobody's seen him play NFL football yet.

34:19 Chris And therefore there can be no hype about it. That's right. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. They're saying, look, I think we've got a great receiving corps. No, we don't. They don't have a great receiving corps.

34:29 Marc Well, I think they actually do have a pretty good. I didn't say great. I'm not going to say great. Chime in here, Mark. I think I'm playing devil's advocate with. Chime in here. With Fryer Muth is your tight end. Below average. No, he's average. Below average stats. He's average and trending up, actually. OK. I'll be honest. I'd agree with that. And I mean, he's OK. He's not he's not as good as Goddard. Let's just throw it out. Yeah, well, we know that. But he's nobody's as good as Kelsey. I mean, right here and everybody else. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right. So, I mean, let's just put it in the perspective. OK, but he is trending up. OK, whatever. Next. Go on. So good tight end. The three wide receivers they have, Deontay can everybody says he runs one of the best routes in the league. Right. Backwards. He does after he catches. He does run backwards, but he does catch it. But once again, they don't throw the ball deep. So maybe he only catches the ball because he's like that. And the reality is his pickings is is an unknown. Like, is he going to turn into Claypool this year? Who in his second year, I would say garbage. Yeah, I would say no. Or is he actually something special? So that's if there should be any hype, it should be on him because he's the guy who's got to take picket to the next level. Yeah. In a deep ball situation. Yep. All the time. OK. Every game. So then then I just named the other two guys. Alan Robinson. He's a proven vet. Right. Better than Hayward Bay when they got him, for God's sakes. Right. He wasn't that great. Right. And who knows about, you know, Calvin Austin, the third. Right. So he might be he's he's he's fast, but we don't know if he's actually any good or not. Well, I think when you can name four wide receivers on your core, I think you can say that they're a good core. Ah, I and actually I need five if you're going to count the time.

36:21 Chris Yeah. OK. So let me go down the list. Fryermuth average. Deontay Johnson, to me, garbage. He didn't catch a touchdown last year. Now, find a receiver that had 86 catches because that's how that's how many. It was a record. Right. He didn't catch a frigging touchdown. What do you want? He set a record. OK, great. I just this is me and you know me. I want the Steelers to win. I want to get it. I'm the world's biggest Kenny Pickett fan, you know, in love with him. And they only had 12 passing touchdowns.

37:00 Marc Yeah. All season. So, I mean, I get the fact that he didn't catch one isn't too surprising.

37:05 Chris And that goes to my point even more. Maybe the better 30 second in the league. Deontay Johnson to me is garbage. OK, because he's not interested in winning. He's interested in catching a lot of balls and explaining to people why he's the best receiver in the league.

37:18 Marc I can tell you the Steelers won him on the team. Otherwise, they wouldn't have signed him.

37:21 Chris Well, right. I get it. I totally get it. We got a comment coming in here. I hope it's a good one. Deontay stinks, says Amy May. I don't know how to spell his name. Yeah, it doesn't matter. We got the point. Definitely got the point. Yeah. Let's put that up there. You're right, Amy May. I garbage stinks. I think she agrees with you. So when I say garbage, look, he caught a lot of balls. But but for what the hype was around him and what he thinks he's good at. Now garbage pickings. Maybe Chicago wants him pickings pickings made. Yeah, maybe. I don't think he's clay.

37:54 Steve Actually, Alan Robinson, the third played for Schubert. I think Claypool is already on the PUP. Yeah, yeah, he's starting.

38:00 Marc He's starting up camp on the PUP.

38:02 Chris Total idiot. Must have been all those run. Lay Pickens Pickens. The jury is out. OK, he made some he made some pretty incredible grabs. He looked incredible last year.

38:12 Marc Let's see. So did Claypool after his first year.

38:14 Chris Let's see him run a long route. Let's see him run run something inside, not outside. You know, let's see him stretch the field. Let's see him make those catches on a regular basis. I agree. Calvin Austin, the third, no clue. C.A. three and Alan and Alan. Alan Robinson, a veteran on his way down. I mean, that's just the way it works.

38:37 Marc My buddy, I mostly agree with what you're saying. I don't think Deontay is garbage. I don't think he stinks. I think anybody who catches 85 balls when pickets of rookie quarterback is throwing to them is somebody who is who can keep the wide receiver core intact, meaning when you need to throw to somebody on third down and six, he's your guy. Every every every team has a guy like that. And that's that's his role on this team.

39:03 Chris The problem when you throw to somebody like him on third down is six as he gets you four yards after he caught it eight yards past.

39:10 Marc Well, right. He would have to run a ten yard pattern, right? Because you're going to run four yards backyard and then dive for the first down.

39:16 Chris And my buddy, Jeff York says wide receivers are all average. I agree, Chris. Now, that's not to say that that, you know, George Pickens. Right. What would be now? There's a difference between where they are and what are the expectations. I expect George Pickens to be to take, you know, many steps forward this year. I expect him to emerge as the number one wide receiver. I expect I think he already is the number one wide receiver. Right. And Jeff must have come late to the show. Some of that is though, is Canada. We agree, but we've we've decided not to mention that.

39:50 Marc We're not going to we're not going to talk about Canada until we absolutely have.

39:54 Chris It makes my brain hurt. Jet sweep. And and you're going to have to record that. I am going to record that one. We're going to have a session where we do that probably next time around. So 40, 0, 4. So my expectation of the Steelers wide receiver core is that we see some maturity from Pickens. We see Deontay and and in all truth, we see Deontay. It's so simple. Learn to catch the ball on the run and just move forward. Honest to God, if he had done that, I agree three or four catches last year, he could have broken some open instead of doing a little spin move. Fryermuth, I am not convinced that he can be anything but an average tight end. I'm just not the fine average

40:38 Marc pretty much where he is right now. How many catches? 50 catches, 700 yards, 35 to 40. There. Yeah, he'll do better than that. You think so? Oh, yeah. Here's the guy. He'll have he'll have he'll have between 45 and 55 catches. He'll catch four touchdowns and he will catch for somewhere between 550 and 622 yards.

41:05 Chris Excellent. And you can put that put it like the White Sox announcers say.

41:09 Marc You can put it on the board. Hey, by the way, did you know that that I looked up some stats for the Steelers offense last year in their horrific, you know, standings? Yeah. Yeah. Did you know that they were actually in first place in the category? What was that fumbles? This was not this appointment was not a category, but if it was, they would have won that one. Yeah, right. No, it was actually number of plays, average plays per drive.

41:39 Chris They actually keep track of that. Doesn't surprise me. That doesn't surprise me. It was six point five one. And that was first place. DG says, I think Friar Muth can catch. He's not a great blocker, but he knows he's a terrible. I get it. I get it. I don't think he can run routes real well, though. I just don't. Oh, yeah. I don't think he can. Him and Kenny, they're going to be. Yeah. Yeah. Well, that would be bad, I think, to be honest with you. I mean, if they're allowed to see an outlet, then that makes him an outlet. He's not running a long pattern.

42:08 Marc No, the outlet is Deontay short. Friar Muth long.

42:12 Chris So now see what happens in decisions now. See what happens. Camp hasn't even started yet. Football and we're amped up. So, OK, I want to bring up this one name and then continue on with your. I want to throw some deep balls to see a three. Then how deep? How deep do your balls go? How deep would you like those balls to go? Schwabber. What am I talking about? Just circus clown. Yes. I think we've already established that many, many shows ago. Oh, my God. OK, OK, OK. Here's the guy that I think could make a huge difference. All right. Let's hear it. A tight end. And his name's Darno Washington. Now, I know. And they were talking about it today. I know the guy's huge. He's a blocker. And, you know, that could help the running game a lot. Plus the line. So can a real line. I'm telling you right now, this guy, I'm telling you, he is so huge. And if I'm throw it to him, he's the guy that I think nobody is talking about. And I heard somebody say today, they're saying he might not even start. He might not even make the field. That's complete bullshit. You don't have a package. This six foot. What is he? Six foot seven, two hundred ninety pounds. And he runs like a four, six, 40. He's a beast. I mean, come on, get him into the offense. You want to talk about worrying people, running people over. This guy's going to do it.

43:33 Marc He looks big amongst other football players. Yeah, he looks like he's he looks like he's. I mean, that's all you have to say. That's all you have to say. Yeah.

43:41 Chris I think I think there's something there. Plus, no. So you don't have that. Can he can all Kenny has to do is throw the ball up wherever he is. And he's just going to grab it. Yeah, maybe. I mean, hey, whatever it takes. There's a surprise coming. I really do. I think they're downplaying his camp and his workouts. I think they're downplaying that whole thing. And I would be shocked if he wasn't a much bigger part of this offense just because of of how how big he is for his position.

44:10 Marc Yeah, it will be. That's actually an excellent point. I didn't think about that. But I think that is another person to look out for. I think as the season moves on, because I don't think Canada is going to have something right away and have a package. I just know. Well, I don't I don't. Once again. Yeah. I don't I don't feel like that's going to be right out of the gate. But it could be one of those things like midseason or maybe by like sixth week. They've got something in there for him. Yeah, I think I think that makes sense.

44:39 Steve Yeah. And obviously, you'll be lucky to get the 20 catches and free touch.

44:42 Chris Yeah, you're probably right. That's the problem. And that's that's the thing. We can't talk about anything without the underlying current of Matt Canada sucks.

44:52 Steve I mean, it sucks. It's true, though, because I think it also goes for the receivers. The receivers, you know, like I would put them now, you know, I'd say putting them at a B would be an optimistic grade. Generous. Yeah. But it could be an A minus if Kenny Pickett's really good this year.

45:13 Marc Well, yeah, a lot of it relies on so for sure. But I don't think you can say, well, he didn't really have anybody to throw the ball. No, he has enough people to throw. Right. So that's why I think more of the onus is on him. But everybody wants to downplay the Kenny Pickett hype because they're afraid if you put too much pressure on him, he's going to crack. No, just let him throw in his small hands are going to fall.

45:36 Chris Yeah. It's me every weekend. All right. So training can right around the corner. OK, let's move on. What was next on your list?

45:47 Marc I just had some interesting statistics, I think, for the offense and actually the defense to well, I didn't really do the defense just because everybody thinks the defense is great. And I'll tackle that next week. But I think with the offense, the thing that was interesting to me was that the Steelers actually in pass attempts yet last year, they were like middle of the pack. They were 16th. And I wouldn't have thought that about the Steelers. You know what I mean? Like, like if you would have told me how many times they throw the ball, I'd be like, they barely even threw the ball at all.

46:19 Steve Feels like it. Yeah. But it's also how many were short.

46:23 Marc Jet sweep, you know, within 10 yards or 15 yards. Well, right. So yards per attempt, they were 25th in the league. So they were definitely near the bottom. And that was only like five point six yards per attempt. And that's that's that's garbage. But and everybody knows this, but the passing touchdowns are the big thing for me. Right. 12 passing touchdowns. They're season. I mean, that's everybody. Right. That's not just pick it because I think pick it only through seven. But that's just ridiculous.

46:51 Chris Like you can't have an NFL football team that has less than 20 touchdown. Well, that's they they play 17 games.

46:59 Marc I know there were games that went by where they did not throw a touchdown pass. You pick it as you have to throw two touchdown passes in a game. Yeah. And so so that's that's what I look at. You know, the yards, they threw for over 5,400 yards, but that was only 23rd, 23rd in the league last year. Their points, their scoring points got it has to amp up. And and and the thing that actually surprised me the most was where it they had this statistic where they start their average starting point. It was like on the 24 yard line. That's pretty bad. Yeah, it's terrible. So that also leads me to believe like they need to do something about their special teams because either that or their defense needs to stop stop teams more. Right. As they're punting it to the point where they're right.

47:47 Chris They need to stop them in the other teams,

47:50 Marc part of the if you have a really good defense, then you think, OK, well, you know, you're keeping them back and then, you know, maybe you're starting on the 35 or the 40 and you got a shortened field. That makes it better for the offense. That's not really what the defense is doing. They're not really stopping, stopping teams, you know, three and out. Yeah. If you think about it, 70 percent of kickoffs go into the end zone. So they were worse than coming out to the 25. Yeah, actually, the I'm slightly wrong on that. They were 24th in the league and it was at twenty seven point three, but still 27 yards. Yeah. I mean, you know, it's only a few yards difference. So, yeah, I was surprised by that. And the other thing was their average drive, they would hold the ball for three minutes and two seconds. But I think that's just the consequence of the fact that they run the ball a lot.

48:37 Steve Right. So the clock's just moving. And they didn't throw the ball long.

48:41 Marc So they probably do have a number of drives that have a lot of place. Yeah. And remember, I think it was against the Eagles. They had the ball for like like 35 or 37 minutes and they got outscored by the Eagles dramatically. And in fact, they the Eagles never had a play inside the 20 and they had five touchdowns. Right. So, I mean, so, I mean, that's the kind of offense you need to really think about getting to. I understand that, you know, with a rookie quarterback last year, maybe you don't want to try and do too much. But at some point, he's a first round pick. You got to give him the controls of this offense and let him go.

49:20 Chris By about 100 percent, I agree with you. I think he also needs to be allowed to switch the play at the line of scrimmage. And I'll give you something here that I've been watching the show quarterback on Netflix. I haven't watched it yet. It's actually really good.

49:38 Marc I hear Kurt Cousins got some accolades.

49:41 Chris Yeah. Well, I mean, it's it's really good because it gives you basically from start to finish, like how these guys just live their regular lives and basically incorporate their regular life into football. And it's kind of like it's like you realize you're following these guys to work. When work happens to be on the both, I'm a huge quarterback in a huge team. You know, you got my homes, then you got cousins, and then you got Mariota. And it was by accident. But you basically you got the superstar, the uber quarterback. You got the guy who just can't. He's great. He's great. OK. But he just can't seem to get, you know, to the promised land. Really nice person. And then you know, no, he's he's a great. He's actually a great quarterback.

50:30 Steve Everybody really likes him. I know he's got a good person. No, that's what I've heard from the show.

50:35 Chris But he does a great guy. He does have a great personality, too. His madden rating isn't very high. I know it should be higher. But anyway, here's the point. And then then you have Mariota who is throwing the Justin Jefferson. Oh, for God's sake. So let me get this out. I'm feeling and and and then you have Mariota.

50:54 Marc I totally forgot my point. I can't even remember what the hell I was talking about. Mariota, who is a promising young guy.

51:01 Chris And then he kind of went off the rails. My point is that they talk about traded action. There was. Yeah, he's on the on the Eagles now.

51:09 Steve Great. Good. And so, yeah.

51:11 Chris Yeah. Great. Good. Great. Good. And subpar. And what they talk about, they show this one play for Minnesota, they're down near the goal line. And you see the cousins, they have a mic'd up for all these games in ways that you didn't even realize people were mic'd up. But cousins is like the line to sell that, by the way, they break. They break the huddle and cousins starts kind of he kind of looks to his left and he and he he sees the line and he sees the defense coming up and all of a sudden he goes, we got to go, we got to go, we got to go. And then he hikes the ball and he throws a touchdown. And it's like you're like, oh, my God. Well, what happened is he recognized after that play, he said he recognized as the defense was coming out that they were coming out in man. And he said, while I was calling the play, all I could think to myself was, oh, God, let these guys come out, man, because we got him set cold. And so he out of the corner of his eye, he recognized it. And he's like, we got to hurry up before they adjust their defense. So that his team heard him. He ran up and bang, hiked the ball right away. And it played perfectly. Yeah. You got to let Kenny Pickett do that. The only reason now that look, cousins is a veteran quarterback. OK, so he's going to he's going to recognize this sooner. But if you don't give a guy like Kenny Pickett, who can learn? He's a smart guy. Maybe if you don't give him a chance, he can. If you don't give him a chance to change that call or to recognize things, if you force him to go to the line and go through the snap count, you might as well kiss the season goodbye again.

52:47 Marc Because it's going to be the same Canada bullshit. Yeah. Your your leader on your offense has to be your quarterback. Right. They have to recognize stuff like that. I'm definitely going to watch that quarterback. I can't wait to watch. Yeah.

52:58 Chris And listen, these guys have to be soup. I mean, we all know that quarterbacks are supposed to be really smart and well educated and all that kind of stuff because of the comp. The education, the comp, the complex. He's just good for comments during the show. He's like that. But he's right. The complexity of the plays they call and how they change them. Yeah. Like these guys don't go home from a game and like party. They go home from the game and they start to do some do. They're the ones that fail. They go home from a game and they start studying for the next game. Like it is insane. Maybe for the kids. Look, there's a reason. Marcus Russell. There's a reason to Marcus Russell flamed out right away. It's because he had all the talent physically, but he didn't want to do the work.

53:43 Marc Yeah. You know, that's what I'm like that some days at work. So so you have I would not want a camera following me around. I would you want a camera following you around from work, Mark?

53:52 Steve Yes. Yeah. Every day. He would enjoy it.

53:55 Marc Come home. The lovely Amy May.

53:57 Chris You know, I would not. Yeah. And like walk in and then you would hear Mark. Hello, Mark. It's so good to see you. You're home.

54:05 Steve Thank you so much. Amy May send a crashing comment. How is Jackal of a man?

54:12 Chris How was your day, sweetie? Bella missed you. Well, that's true. She's running up. She oh oops. She pooped on your shoe. I'm sorry.

54:21 Steve Bella would never do that. No, Bella is the heart and soul of our family.

54:26 Marc That is true.

54:28 Chris There is some truth in that. Oh, my God. So so next time around. Well, we'll do we'll do what's the word? Imitations, what not? Imitation of our of our of our of our wives.

54:41 Steve Oh, that's sounds terrible. Yeah. Oh, you can only do them if they're good. No way. Seriously. That was a pathetic.

54:48 Chris Oh, Mark, I love you so much. You're the most incredible man. I can't believe it. You're you're just wonderful. You take care of me. Make me my life worth living.

54:59 Steve Can we talk about a little hockey? Right, right. Oh, or should we do the. OK, imitation. Go ahead. Go ahead. Lay it on me. You know, just off the top of your head, you got one.

55:11 Marc Stop fucking bothering me. That actually was pretty good. What the hell is this?

55:20 Chris I hope she doesn't listen to the show. She never listens to the show. No, she just sponsors. All right. Real quick. Five minutes.

55:26 Marc A hockey go for it.

55:27 Chris Five minutes.

55:28 Marc No, I can do it in less than five minutes. I don't care how long the only thing going on with hockey now is the Carlson sweepstakes sweepstakes. And it looks like Carolina is definitely out. It's like they're going to be signing Tony D'Angelo. Tony D'Angelo, former Philadelphia flyer. Yeah, probably a Guido from down the South Philly. I'm thinking, are you allowed to say anymore? Well, I did on Internet radio.

55:51 Steve You can actually before the show, I think it was the first time before I'm a Guido. I can say before he was a flyer. He was also you're a Polock.

56:01 Marc You're known as both. Are you? I'm a Polish Guido.

56:05 Chris That explains a lot. Sorry, Schwabber. Go ahead. Get it. I'm sorry, Mark.

56:11 Steve Go ahead and say what you planned on. Actually, I think you played for Carolina before he played. Can I get you some chips and salsa before this? I would love some chips. You don't get me any freaking food. You have to bring my own food. Lack of hospitality. There are always some crackers in that garbage garbage garbage house. All right. All right.

56:36 Chris All you got in the fridge is water. Yeah. Well, that's all I drink. Oh, Bella is very unhappy with that impression. And so am I. The property diva says this when she gets home. Chris, did you do anything today besides watch TV? Oh, nice. Get out in that York and pick up Miss Daddy's poo. I love it. Thank you, Amy. That was fantastic. Miss Sassy. Yes. Yes. DG says what's latest on Carlson's rumor?

57:07 Marc We're getting to that, but I want to hear the scoop on Tony D'Angelo.

57:10 Steve Yeah. Prior to him even coming to the Flyers, he was known as a bad egg.

57:15 Marc Yeah. And I think he actually came from Carolina to the Flyers. Yeah. Going back to Carolina, you know, which makes some sense.

57:22 Chris But it also means that some racist things probably woke to you. Yeah. Yeah.

57:30 Marc So the bottom line is, since they're going that way, that means they're not going to be in the Carlson sweepstakes, which we kind of knew. But what we did, what we did figure out was it doesn't look like the penguins do want to give up, do want to give up Pettersson in the trade. And that's why it's kind of being held up because they think they can get Carlson without giving up Pettersson. Seems like Sullivan's kind of stuck on wanting to have Pettersson also in the mix of their defense, which we could probably talk about for a little bit.

58:04 Chris So let me see if I get this straight. It seems like the penguins don't want to give up Pettersson.

58:09 Marc So what they San Jose loves Petri. So Petri is going to be gone. Most likely. There'll be at least a number one draft pick, your first round draft pick probably next year. We will send them. There was talk of maybe two first round picks, but I don't believe they give up to, I think they give up one. They're going to retain some of his salary. You know, he's at 11 and a half million dollars. I had the figure I heard was around nine million that would come. So they would keep about two and a half million. And I think what happens is that the penguins still have to dump some salary. So Grandland somehow has to go somewhere. And what I heard was they want like somebody like O'Connor or a younger guy to also come over and Pettersson. I don't think they'll give up that much. To me, that seems like a little much to give up. Definitely Petri. Honestly, I wouldn't mind giving away Pettersson. I know I'm probably in the minority with that because people love Pettersson because he had a great year last year. But the bottom line is the penguins are a much better team with Carlson, even without Pettersson. But they would have to replace him because they don't have really anybody on the left hand side. But they do have some good young left handed defensemen. They could bring up Ty Smith's one. They got Will Butcher, who also could play. But we know Sullivan doesn't like to play the young guys. And that's the problem. I think that's ultimately what's holding up the trade. I did also hear that Seattle is still in the mix and the Kraken, Toronto.

59:45 Chris So is this the longest trade in history? I mean, it seems like the things like this get sorted out a lot faster.

59:52 Marc No, because he's under contract now and he's under contract for a long time. So he doesn't even have to be traded. Right.

59:59 Steve So they can wait it out as long as they want. Yeah, but he wants to be traded.

01:00:03 Marc Yeah, he wants he wants out. He'll be a headache for San Jose. And they just want to they just want to move on from him at this point. And they're just trying to get as much as they can. So I don't blame them. And if they if they did bring Seattle into the mix in Toronto, I don't even see how Toronto can be in the mix, by the way. They're already eleven million dollars over the cap. So I don't know how they can afford to do that unless they trade somebody like Nylander or somebody like that who has a pretty hefty contract. And that would probably actually be better for San Jose if they got a young scoring winger like Nylander. So stay tuned. I'm not happy about the fact that Toronto and Seattle are still in the mix. I thought the Penguins were the last team standing. If they're in the mix, that could that could be a problem for the Penguins. I thought it would be a done deal when Carolina got out and they got out today. But if those other two teams are in, it could be a problem. Wouldn't it be nice if we could say Peterson instead of Pettersson? Well, he has two T's. Oh, is it?

01:01:09 Chris Yeah. That's why you say Pedersen. So you got to slow it down a little bit because there's Peterson to me is like would be with a D. Peterson. All right. Well, I'm glad we figured that out. OK, so so there you go.

01:01:22 Marc That's your little bit of hockey in the middle of July.

01:01:26 Chris All right. And just a reminder, when the season fires back up, the hockey Jesus will preach on the podcast on the SportsPortch podcast after every Penguins game, every game. And you can catch it on the SportsPortch podcast on the iHeartRadio app or anywhere you get your podcast. Anywhere you get your freaking podcast. Anywhere you get your freaking podcast. All right, guys. It's about time. Oh, thank goodness. Now I have to go face the wrath of a gun. Son of a gun.

01:02:00 Marc Hey, I'll be on vacation next week. So enjoy the show without me.

01:02:05 Chris No, you'll be chiming in from the beaches. I may have a little glass beside me. That's when we're going to do our Susan impression. That'll be good. OK, guys, thank you for watching the SportsPortch podcast all over social media on Facebook, Twitter and that other place. LinkedIn, LinkedIn. Then remember to subscribe to us on the podcast, the SportsPortch podcast and the iHeartRadio app, Apple podcast, Spotify or anywhere you get your freaking podcast. And you can always feel better about yourself if you visit us at theporcheslive.com, theporcheslive.com. Go now. And we're out.