Episode 18 With Bob Nolley: Finding your leadership self and navigating life

Lynne Thompson
thompsonlynne92@gmail.com

Bob Nolley 6.12.22


Sun, Jun 12, 2022 · 10:20 PM

43:35

Owner: Lynne Thompson
SUMMARY KEYWORDS
people, job, life, podcast, learn, week, leadership, sudden, year, helping, bob, teach, talk, communication, listening, project manager, pay, ward cleaver, managing, creativity
SPEAKERS
Speaker 2 (63%),
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Speaker 1
2:34
Hello, and welcome to the Storied Human. This is Lynne Thompson. Today I'm lucky enough to talk to Bob belly, he's going to share a lifetime of experience in and out of different careers, the things he's learned, how he's applied it and how he's helping others. So it's going to be a great, it's going to be a great fun conversation, we can just tell. So welcome, Bob.
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2:55
Hey, hello, and thank you so much for having me on. It's great to hear from you. And it's an honor to be here.
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Speaker 1
3:01
Well, I just feel like I already know you. And we don't really know each other. But it's we just we just met. Yeah, the same kind of people get attracted to these courses. And the course that we signed up for was really neat. It was a subscription, learning about how to manage your subscription, your email lists. And that's a big part of an online business. And I learned a lot, so but I also loved the group, like I just love the energy of the people. And I really love. I think that my podcast is turning into an entrepreneur podcast, because I love always have loved entrepreneurs. And you had mentioned earlier before I hit the record button, that you know, you had evaluated maybe I don't need to do my path the way I've been doing it. And that, you know, it's so true. Like we're, we're funneled into a certain kind of life, right? We're told what we should do. I was always told to be safe. You know, I always love the idea of having my own business. And my parents said, Oh, no, you don't want to do that Uncle so and so did that. And he lost his shirt. I mean, there's a lot of fear for people around jumping out into your own thing.
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Speaker 2
4:14
Yes. I don't know about me page somewhere on a website. I said I grew up with Julian Ward Cleaver. Now most of people listening to this don't even know who that is. But those were the parents that Leave It to Beaver. I kind of fell into Yeah, you know, word my dad, he wasn't worried. But you know, he went to work every day wearing a suit. He came home and we had dinner together. And I don't think my mom was wearing a shirt waist dressed and pearls every time he came home but you know, that that's what was it, you know, went through school and behaved them, you know, graduated from high school and had the opportunity to go to college. And you know, which was great. Then I got out of college and looked for a job that cording the schedule and I got married you and I had a child according to schedule, that at some point life just told me. You know, you could make your own skin Just you know, I ended up separating and at the time, and that was painful, but everybody's still fine now. And I've started to, to follow a path that I wasn't expecting to follow at some point. And you know, back in the beginning, I, we talked about currently now, I'm a project manager, and a project manager, my mom and dad are still alive. And a project manager, when a mom will ask what, what is the project manager being so proud of her son? And I say, I make sure people do their job. And no matter what industry you're in, that is that is what a project manager does. And there's such a huge amount of leadership foisted into that. But it's, it's managing through relationships. Yeah. And now I've kind of come full circle, and looked at my my own career from part time jobs I had and you know, in high school, and realized, I've been on this kind of leadership theme, not track. No, I've never been destined for the top box on the org chart. But I've been interested in this for a long time. And I just, you know, didn't respect it. As soon as I might have otherwise.
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Speaker 1
6:17
That is so interesting. To use the word respect, you didn't respect it. We have these thoughts, right? We notice these things about ourselves. But we don't allow ourselves to take them seriously.
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6:27
No, no, yeah. And you just go because the mental models you have in your life, whether it be parental, or environmental, or whatever it is for you personally, they're so strong, changing them is painful. And so it's easier for you. Yeah, I guess I better go to college now. And I didn't do very well, by first year at college. In fact, one summer, the dean called me, I'm not gonna get into much detail here. I had to go to summer school to stay in. And I was and she said, Maybe you should take a year off. You know, college isn't for everybody. And I just went, Oh, no, don't want to comment on carbon. So I did the work. And I got back on track barely graduated on time, barely. So when I went on to work in higher ed, somebody heard I was the dean at a local university here. They were like, I don't believe you. I mean, my fraternity brothers. When could I see some ID please. There's no way you're doing anything in the academic world. So that was another fork in the road there.
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Speaker 1
7:27
But sometimes I think we're too young to go to college. You know what I mean? Like some of us, I was the same way. I was like, What am I doing here? And I told my parents, I wasn't sure I wanted to stay. And they said, they bribed me first time they ever did that in their whole life. They said, Look, if you go back, you know, I said, I'll take a year off and they said, if you go back after a semester, we'll pay for your rent for your apartment off campus. And, you know, sweet deal, right? So I was like, okay, that's not stupid. But the semester off really helped. It was really good. And I made a lot of money, and I bought a car and I waitress, I got a good skill. I mean, sometimes you have to take a breather.
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Speaker 2
8:06
You do you do. And I think I think I did that. But it was, it was kind of cloaked. Because my first year when I was at the University, again, my first year there, I realized I needed to get some money. I had no cash flow coming in. I mean, I had, you know, my tuition was being paid by, you know, thankful enough. I was living in a dorm. But I had like, you know, $10 a week. And I had a girlfriend that was one of the, you know, back then it was a girl's college, you know, 100 miles away, and we would go each other up and down the road of the weekend, you know, $10 was just not going far enough to live a life on the weekend when you have a girlfriend. So I'm standing there one day walking down the street from class, and I see this bus come up. And it's not a city bus. It's a university bus. It's not like a school bus. It's a transit bus. And I started noticing that, but I want those kids are so cool, that are driving because they're having a good time and all this and the radios they're playing, and they're just out driving, and I love to drive. So I applied for the job that Christmas, I went back and went through the driver training and I got the job. So all of a sudden, I was driving, I would drive a shift every day, all of a sudden, instead of having $10 I had $50 for the weekend. But I loved it so much because I kind of fell into a role of responsibility there. Yeah, right after I went to that Christmas, and learn how to you know how to drive. They sent me on a big charter bus to New York and said, Will you drive the drama club to New York? No way. What? Okay, so an ice storm up the up the Jersey Turnpike. Oh my gosh, what's your exit 16 I guess I just drove RAM. So I left them off at their hotel and I was like, where did I go now? Oh my god. I had to find a place to park. And finally, I stumbled into Port Authority. They welcomed me with open arms. But you know, I was disappointed that because all of a sudden, I was managing this bus service. And after, you know, with with a couple of other students, I was, you know, bangIes, 60 drivers and writing schedules with taking care of the buses, and all these things and that leadership role there. I learned a lot. Yes, my major communication, I just barely squeaked out the door there. But I, you know, the life I learned, you know, behind the wheel was, you know, at least as valuable as that.
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Speaker 1
10:35
That's a wonderful point. Sometimes, the stuff we do on the side is just so instructional, we just learned even more than we thought we would. I actually, one of the jobs I had in college was I was a security guard, they needed somebody to work the night shift. And I was a night person. So I was like, I can do that. And I had to wear like a suit and stuff. And I worked in this little factory. And it looked like a bunch of snake coffins. You know, it was like these boxes that look like snake coffins. They were extruder like, they put extruders into them. So the whole place was like, you know, a machinery place, I guess. And I just was there, you know, all night. And I remember just feeling pretty responsible. You know, like, I should have been afraid maybe but I wasn't.
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Speaker 2
11:22
Yeah, that's, I think you have to go everybody should have to go through a night job, even if you're not a night owl. And yeah, it was that sea shift all the time. You have to go do that. And I did that for a while.
11:33
I think everybody should have to be a waitress or a waiter
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Speaker 2
11:37
at a school, you know, I just I fell on their financial institutions. I took one of these jobs that they call management trainees, oh, yeah, bring you in the door and don't pay a hoot. But they teach you things like, you know, I was changing oil in the fleet cars. The first two weeks, I was, oh, my gosh. And then I was working in the stockroom. And then I was in the mailroom sorting mail. But the month after that I was running the mailroom. Oh, okay. You know, that's again, check process like, which is a big deal. I mean, it's all imaged out. But you know, back then check processing was a huge deal because of the cost of ball. And I was managing people through that. So I got into financial institutions, you know, that way as well. But at some point along the line, at some point, it broke down at some point, or one of the big, big companies that I was spending time with said, they need to downsize. So they cut hundreds of people lose hundreds of people. And I came home that day. And I was just, I looked at two kids that looked at my wife and I said, Well, I'm out. So they went well, you'll find something, you'll find something for sure. And I went, Yeah, I was. So when you when you start a job hunt, there's a lot to do, you kind of get your paper together, and you do the shotgun blast out to all your network. And you do the LinkedIn thing. And you know, you're talking to recruiters, every one that could help you find a job or to do it, but then you have to wait. And it's it's really tough to wait. So people were telling me you'll you'll find something the market looks like about six months now. So six months, I was like six months is because you know, the math was not working out for the finances. It's hard. So you know, all of a sudden, it was nine months, and I still didn't have anything. But I went to dinner with my wife one night at a social event. And I met this gentleman, who was very gregarious, and he says, You seem like a teacher? And I said, Well, I do. I've been told that I have the teacher gene, I'm lugging that around. He goes, You should come teach with us. So small, private university. He gave me an A got me an interview there with that Dean. And I taught a class there. And I'm telling you the night I walked in the door the first time, I felt like it was home. So I kept with them for a year at the next year. They go, you're the bead.
14:04
This keeps happening to you. Yeah.
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Speaker 2
14:07
But the point of this was, while I was teaching that year, you don't want to have a little bit of money coming in. So what else could I do? Well, a lady I'd worked with before, and an organization told her friend, this is when the mortgage boom was just going rock the socks off, but before the recession of 2008 this like 2004 And she said you need this guy, he'll do whatever you need for. So he bought me in all I did was manage mortgage files. And I had to do 40 files a week. And I didn't ever go there. I had to go there to get my files and Monday morning and I had to turn them in by Sunday night. So it's like five o'clock Monday morning, me and my little wheelie cart. We'd go in and pick up boxes of files and bring them home and I'd work them during the week. And then Sunday night I take them back up. You don't leave them at the place. And then on top of that, somebody said, Hey, why don't you teach applications for this corporate training outfit? Oh, okay. So all of a sudden, now I'm teaching it the first place I ran into. And then I'm teaching Excel and Microsoft Project, advanced Microsoft Word and all that application software to groups of corporate employees. And then here come the holidays, and I walked into the ABC store, follow you in Virginia, the ABC stores are not publicly owned and operated. I mean, the government runs right very well. It's very, it's very strict thing there. So I just asked, I said the only any holiday help and holy cow, they did. So I was working in the liquor store. So now Now, let me repeat that I've got four jobs. That's four jobs I've got that I pasted together. And here's the killer. I've never had any time off, which was I was working every hour, oh, my God, for five o'clock. And because the thing with bank files, I could work them in between teaching jobs in the liquor store. And then all of a sudden, when the university said, We want you to be the dean, I want yeah, okay, great. And I could slowly peel out all of those other jobs and get back into a full time role. But I tell this story, because sometimes that that's what it takes. I'm talking to people now, a couple of people that are having trouble finding a job, which I'm having trouble believing, because the job market now is like, Yeah, I'm helping them, you know, this has been their first search in a long time. And I'm helping them get together. And I said, you need to look for anything and you know, paste things together. It's very possible for you, if somebody in your household has got the benefit side, the healthcare side, figured for you go paste, you know, part time gigs together. And it works. Because I did that for about a year and a half. That thing from Monday morning. till Sunday night late. Yeah. And it worked. And you know, it was very real that, you know, I wasn't ever tired. I'm not saying I was exhausted from it. But I pasted it together. I was proud of that. But I
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17:09
hear two things I hear you're not afraid to work hard. You always said yes. And you're creative. You're like, I'm gonna put this together, I can figure this out. And that's, you know, those are great skills that hard worker and creative. Not everybody is like, as creative as you. Like, you can see solutions where other people can't.
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17:30
Thank you very much. That's great. That's got to be the nicest thing anyway, said to me all year. Well, that's nice. Thanks. You know, in that moment, I guess that there was some creativity there. Yeah, that moment. But I think I think creativity comes from when when you see a problem. And you can stand still and think about the solution. You're, that's what meditation is good for, you know, all of a sudden, all of a sudden, it becomes clear. I mean, not all of a sudden, if you sit down to meditate for the first time, you're not going to achieve world peace. But here, here's the example I have, let's say it's pouring down rain, it is pouring a really gully washer, and you pull into your driveway in your car, and you got to get the groceries in. So you pull up the collar around your neck and you walk back out to the tailgate of your car and you throw up in the back. And you get like four bags of groceries or both arms. And you somehow you shut the lid and you go up to your front door. It is pouring. Now the bags are getting soaked, and you drop your keys. Now right there, what am I going to do right there, that's probably the height of your creativity or a high point in your creativity. Because you're getting clobbered by the rain. You probably paid $100 less for bagging groceries that you can't afford. You don't want to let them go. And you're looking down there those keys let a winking at you from the floor. How do you pick them up? What do you do? Do you kind of squat with the groceries and try to you know, just just coming up with a creative way to use your motor skills to get the door unlocked. You know, problem solving. Yeah, big deal. Yeah. Dan Pink wrote, wrote a great book. And yeah, he talks about being creativity and problem solving. It's just being still enough to let the problem unfold before you.
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Speaker 1
19:27
Yeah. But you also are one of those people that you don't limit your thinking about it. And I know that because I'm like that too. Like, I think way out of the box. I think I've noticed in the corporate world that I annoy people with my creativity. Yeah,
19:43
thank you. That's right. And like
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Speaker 1
19:45
of solutions, I read the most interesting definition of creativity years ago, and it was the ability to see two seemingly different things to see the connections between two seemingly different things. And that is so powerful. That's, that's a different way to think. And I think some people do that more easily. I think everyone can learn that. I believe everyone's creative.
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Speaker 2
20:12
Yeah, and let's bring the arts into that too, because I've always enjoyed writing. And so right now, you know, I've got some fiction going on. I've got a nonfiction memoir, every old man thinks he needs to write a memoir. You know, I have that screen. Yeah. Well, and here's the deal. In terms of the fine arts, I went through my whole life, just go on. I don't have it at all. My brother, my brother is a conservator. In a I'll just say major museum in the country. Wow. And he, he has all the art talent in the family. I mean, there's pictures that he has done that are hanging on the walls of my house, he is that talented. So I just always said, you know, I got these gifts and he got all the art talent. All right. My I was at the beach with my dad one year and he had some a little watercolor set setup. But he had this, this stack of about 200 Microwave dinner craze stacked up there, but I use for pallets and the rinse brushes at all. So I said Hey, Dad, can I use three of these? And he goes, No, they're my good ones. Now you got to understand that here's somebody that came out of the depression, you know, in hoarding is just like a natural reflex. So he said, No, so I got so ticked off, I went down the freezer, gotta gotta dish, cooked it, ate it, wash the thing, came back and started painting. And then I took this painting class online, and I'm gonna was doing was taking this brightly colored acrylic paint and slashing it on a canvas with a knife. And I did several of those and somebody said, Hey, you got some good here. So I took a couple of lessons in town. I've sold a couple of paintings now, you know, I have not even enough to make a car payment. But that was so fulfilling to me. That I was able to, you know, to, to create something somebody said, Yeah, I want that in my living room. Really,
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Speaker 1
22:13
when you're surprised, but I just love that you let that come out. You know, whatever that was it needed to come out.
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22:20
Yeah, that's that's something you always say you don't want to be a generalist. Because you want to be a specialist to be successful. And I think it's a middle ground somewhere. I think if you can do maybe three or four things really well. Yeah, you're fine there. Me I yeah, I think the number is bigger. I just want to try everything. You know. I want to try everything. This is so wide. When I was doing the driver thing. I drove a 16 Wheeler not for pay. I just somebody drive it around the park lots I said, Oh, this feels great. I guess next is flying a plane, flying a plane. It's just just this I guess it's Joie de Vivre I have about live life is good. And you know, things will work out. I'm an optimist, for sure. Me out there listening man where life has beaten you down. And they are cussing me hard listening this. And I feel for you, I do feel for you. Because I've been there. I've been there. I was out. I was out working on my deck, putting together some deck furniture the summer before last and it's hot. I mean, it was one of those, you know, southern hot days, it's 95 degrees, the humidity is high. And of course the things don't go together smoothly. And all of a sudden, I fall off the top level of the deck. I land on the lower level the deck. Oh my God, I don't think I slipped or passed out. At the time. I feel like I was pushed. I don't know if it's a cardiac event or respiratory. But I was out and I was out my life period for about 20 minutes. So when at a hospital, I had a concussion, you know, I just it's just the beginning of COVID. And, you know, the beginning COVID I said, you know, now would be a good time to stay out of the healthcare system. Yeah. So but there two weeks later there was going in there and no, nobody my family could come in, you know, and they were sitting at their beds lying in the halls everywhere. It was just as traumatic as you read about in the press. They put me in a room in the ICU and I spend two days in there they go you got to get crushed. I went through MRIs and the like and they said you have a broken back too. So I went through the therapy for the back and went through the therapy for the concussion. You know, I did all that. I step back, you know, and all of a sudden I'm looking at a wreck to get them back in the job full time. And then my doctor looks at me and goes, you got cancer and we're late. I went okay. So I started looking for a doctor and a process and you know, where are my best chances? I went chasing that. So I tell that you know my story is different but everybody that is on the mat going, don't be such a Pollyanna, Bob, I know. Find a way to get up off the mat.
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Speaker 1
25:09
Yes. You know, I had cancer four years ago. And my husband and I were laid off the same year. And I was laid off a week before my third breast surgery. And I had to find another job. And so I did radiation during my job, I got a contract job, you know, and I would go at lunch for a long lunch and do my radiation, then come back and work late. And I'm not saying this to brag, I'm saying, when you're in, there's two things that happen. I think it depends where you're at, in your life, like I was in a pretty good place, in spite of the fact that we both got laid off. My husband got a job right away. And he had a long, well, no, then he wasn't looking, he had a really long, notice he had six months. So we were okay with that. And I knew I could get through the surgery, I had a lot of support from him. I was just in a good place, I felt strong, I felt, you know, positive. And so I could get through it. It wasn't that hard. But I do understand that if you're not in a good place, you know, and these things happen to you. It's tough, it's tough to get through,
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Speaker 2
26:18
hey, I talked about all these concepts. And you know, I know your listeners have really have enjoyed gleaning things from all the conversations you've shared with them on all your episodes, I will do this, I am going to create a piece for them, that I will give you the link to and since I'm saying this right now, and I haven't done it, I will just create it, and let you put it in your show notes. Okay, and the leadership program I have, it will either be I'll give them a chunk of that, or I'll give them a coupon for it, or something like that, just so they can have a taste of what the possibilities might be. I let you know, right now, this is where I should be go to Bob donnelly.com/that. Other and you know, if better prepared, I wouldn't do that. But I'll let I'll give it to you and let you put it in your
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Speaker 1
27:08
okay. And if you have anything else, just let me know, I love to tell my readers how to, if we mentioned anything like the the Daniel Pink book, I'd love to put that in the show notes. Whatever we can do to help my readers, I said readers, I'm a writer first. I'm really a writer. And I forget to say episode and listeners. But I love this. I love this. And I could totally relate to so much of what you talk about. Because, you know, I'm not young, and I fell into this and I love it. And I never would have thought that this I mean, I love writing, right? I'm a creative writer and a technical writer. And I write on medium.com and I had a blog.
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Speaker 2
27:47
Oh my god. Okay. Yep. Wow. So we could follow us there. I'll make sure.
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Speaker 1
27:53
That's so cool. Do you have a linked tree, the place where you can gather your links? It's really cool. Okay. I can cut this out. Like,
28:04
that's alright, that's alright. We're helping people learn stuff. No, but
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28:07
I can edit stuff too. Like I just said, You're gonna crack up, I had this interview with someone I know pretty well. She's in another group, another class I had. And she's a counselor. And she's just she posts these wonderful things on Instagram, about taking care of yourself. And they're so practical, and they're so good. And I look forward to them. It's called templates for life. And she's such a kind, sweet person. So I said, Heather, I really want to interview you. Because May was mental health month and I wanted to cover some of those things. You know how to take care of yourself during these times. I mean, people need to remember how to de stress and get with nature and do what you can to stay well. Well, she is so interesting, that she just got me thinking about all these things. And I talked so much because she's a counselor. And she listened to me, right? That when I went back to edit the recording, I was like, no, no, I cut like so much of me out. And I thought, you know, I probably wouldn't have done that at 25. Right? No, should it's in my 60s. Yes. You know, I don't have an ego like I had. And it was so good to see. And I laughed as I did it. I said we just Yeah, that's really interesting. Lin, but we don't need that right now. This is not serving the interview. So I was like, what, what ended up doing was giving her fodder to talk about and she I set her up to talk about stuff, but I didn't do it on purpose. She's just so much fun to talk to. So don't worry, I'll take myself out. I'll probably take this whole thing out. That's been I think that's what I love the most about this process is that I'm learning how to edit audio. The way I love to edit words, you know, and it's so it's so I can relate to you so much. My son just graduated with a master's in communication.
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29:58
Congratulations bonds to grow. modulation multimedia journalism,
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Speaker 1
30:01
and my husband's a technical trainer and he was a tech writer for years. I'm a technical writer, we're, we're communication people, we always complain about how it's hard to be a generalist. In this world where people go, you have to have a passion, you know, it's like a sink, single minded passion. And I'm like, Well, I'm interested a little bit in everything. You know,
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Speaker 2
30:25
I'm only showing the tip of the iceberg here. You know, for example, in my traction, the microphone was just me being a slave to am radio back in the you know, back in the 60s,
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30:35
ask what you did in your younger life. Yeah. Because sometimes we we, we come back to it. Yeah.
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30:41
So I just, you know, I grew up in and my mom got really upset with me one night, I remember it right down when I was like, in first grade, because I could only talk about the Beatles and baseball where she like said, don't you think about anything else? Now my mom is a very erudite well read woman. But yeah, I really ticked her off right there. So yeah, the Kennedy assassination was a big historic event in the early 60s. But I mean, when the Beatles landed the next year, I mean, that was it. Yeah. I mean, that was it.
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Speaker 1
31:16
Well, we lived right on top of DC when that happened. And I remember it, even though I was really young. I was six years old, and I was watching my mother crumble against the doorframe. And I realized that it had a significance I couldn't even grasp to be so close to it. And also, you know, how you were June, June and Ward Cleaver, and we were the Kennedys. You know, we were that same age, we were about the same age. My parents were real cute and young. We were the Kennedys. You know, we really related to them so much. So I think a lot of people took it personally when he got shot.
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Speaker 2
31:54
Yeah, that's a real milestone. I don't think there was another milestone. Of course, there were the other shootings of the 60s, you know, brother, Bobby and Dr. King. But then, you know, we kind of got fat there until 911. Yeah. And then, you know, just takes a while these events catch us off guard, and we really have to stay grounded. Yeah. And, you know, my last plug here is going to be for for meditation and the leadership space, you know, people look at that, that really hear that and they go, I'm not going to sit my office in the lotus position for 30 minutes in the morning to get started. And there are many different ways you did it. And I was introduced to it through the app, comm CLA M. And for the episode, check that out. Because there are a couple of things in the front end there on the landing page. One is Tamera Lovett, who's this nice Canadian lady, and it was her voice. In my ear, I had a string of 1000 days in a row that I started my day with call. And a couple of things I got out of it. The the focus, my ability to focus just went astronomical. And when you're, when you're a generalist, then you know you're subject to the shiny rabbit rule, or whatever it is, it's like, that's a focus was a big deal. The second thing was, I was just able to call my irritations and not you know, fly off the handle as badly as I had in the past. And I went on to learn a lot about meditation for pain use as well. And they had some had some experience there. So if you don't, you know, go find your gift there. I would encourage everyone, just go check it out. It's free. Go check it out, and just try to start the habit and see what helps you because it's just the illness and everything seems to clear up.
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33:53
I love that. So I have another question. I love to ask people. Yeah, what was the eight year old Bob? Like, what did you like to do? What kind of kid were you?
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34:02
I was I was a good kid. You know, I made good grades and I behaved and I, you know, I wasn't a troublemaker. I left that to my younger brother. He was the second child. So it was him. The stories, start rolling those stories. I just loved things I loved I loved music. I was living in that gap between folk music and the Beatles landing. So I loved all of that. And I actually got a little not a toy guitar, real guitar, but you know, a cheap one. And I learned how to play chords. And you know, I thought you know, I could be the next Paul McCartney shoe or he's really cute. So So I love that and I love baseball. I want you to do people say baseball today. I mean, we've got 7000 channels on TV and you can see any team in the nation anytime you're crazy. Yeah, but back then you had one game Week. Yeah, it was the CBS game of the week and they owned a piece of the Yankees. So they were only on if the Yankees were home on that. That's crazy to me. Yep. And now, you know, I go, I just look at my phone and look at Yahoo Sports and go, What did the Orioles do last night? Yeah, I'm just, you know, I've got I want to get closer to the game with that. Maybe I'll watch something.
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Speaker 1
35:21
And you, you know, you learned well, you did well in school. It seems to me that wherever they put you, you learn what you need to learn. And you go beyond that. And they go, Hey, do you want this higher position? You're just you're one of those people
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35:33
that just think that can't learning? Yeah, you bloom
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Speaker 1
35:37
where you're planted. Yeah, you bloom. You know, you remind me a little bit of my daughter because whatever job she ever got, they just piled more honor. They were like, Oh, she's reliable. Even when she was really young. They just asked her to do more and more and more, and you're just that kind of person. And that's a wonderful thing. Because you can make your way through all these. These adventures. It certainly
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Speaker 2
35:58
hones your problem solving skills, I'm sure about my wife warns me now. She goes remember, you don't suffer stupid people. Yeah, no. I do have to be careful. I you know, have to be careful. Particularly in this age. Every all the stupid people seem to be sticking their heads up. And yeah, there's a lot of making your point. That's all
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36:24
your vocal. Yeah, that's it. So now you, you're in the leadership space. Right. And you do coaching? Is that what you're? Yeah,
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36:35
I have a few clients that you know, there are people that have just been have just come to me, you know, I'm really not out there making a pitch for because I'm still doing the nine to five thing because that's a fit for us. Yeah, family here right now. So I'm working with a few people. But I just want there's a message I want to get out. And that's why that's why I met you in this subscribe class. And that's why I'm going to be rolling out a membership site or a course it will probably be both that just talks about these skills that you can use that are leadership like, but they're really lifelike. The people I've worked with, you know that what leadership coaches you think, all right, they will know when they want to talk about marketing or strategy. Because the guys that get into the top seat, the CEO seat, and organizations are those that usually come out of sales. If not sales, it's finance. So they're all but sales, marketing strat finance. So I found that's not true. The one thing they want help with is, guess what? You know what the word is? It's communication. You want that Stanford University had surveyed all the fortune 500 CEOs, they said, if you had a coach, what would you want mostly want help with? And it was communication. That's amazing. What Yeah, so what's really needed is, these guys want a life coach in the workplace?
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Speaker 1
38:01
Yeah, that's brilliant. Yeah, they need that. And you said it in the beginning of the interview, it's a relationship. It's understanding how to build those relationships that help you succeed. And that's all about communication. And and you're adding that really important. I guess I would say cinnamon or spice, you're adding the mindset, you know, to have that to come to it with the right mindset. And I just hear that over and over with people who are successful. I keep hearing well, I hear a couple of things. Do you get up early? I hear people get up early.
38:34
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. So
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38:36
you know, I'm not there yet. But I'm fascinated by that. People get up early, they have a morning routine, which often includes meditation. Yep.
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They're good to them. So working from home, even working from home full time, you know, when I get up, then that's my time. Yeah, this by time, yeah. And you know, I'll get up and I'll make you breakfast and make you a cup of coffee it a little while, but right there. That's my time. And that's you. And that's helpful.
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Speaker 1
39:06
I think you can help people just by being yourself, you have so much to offer. And you can show people how to center themselves, you know, you feel to me, like someone who's very centered.
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39:18
We do so much. The authenticity is so important. You know, if you rank all the leadership traits that you think is most important, the number one that comes up at the top is trust. Yeah, and I think the trick is how you develop that trust because it has to be earned it's not given right so you know, we talk a little bit about that is to be real get to that point. And of course now that I'm you know, we're in the internet marketing space here. People are going well, I've understood leadership because is not helping me get my list bigger, or that's not helping me design a WordPress plugin that will let me maintain my site easier, or that's not helping me You know, publish 100 podcast episodes a day, you know, some tool that makes it faster. But there is a niche for this in the entrepreneurial world, too. Yeah, and and I'm gonna try to cover that in the work we've got coming on. So I'm excited.
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40:18
I think you're also going to touch upon. The other course I took was Kathy Heller's course it was a longer course about supposedly about podcasting. But it was a whole lot about mindset, having the right mindset, believing you can do something having that abundance mindset. And she talked very much about, it's not how many people you have, or how many customers, it's the quality. You know, you got to get people that you want people that will follow you people that really are attracted to what you have to offer. You want that quality connection, and that really turned my head. I loved how she talked about that. Because I don't really know how else to do it. You know, I'm not a chase the numbers, person. So
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41:01
let's talk about that. If you and I could go buy solo ads. And we could get 2000 people on our mailing list that are great people, but may or may not be interested us. But I would rather have just 100 people that, like what I'm saying and that you know, are engaged in the active over those 2000 people every day of the week.
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Speaker 1
41:25
That's so important. And you figured it out? I mean, you figured a lot of this out, I had to take a course.
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41:32
Now that's all right. It's the execution part that's catching up with me now. So
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Speaker 1
41:36
yeah, there's a lot going on. And we're both working full time. So yeah, it's a lot. It's a lot. Well, thank you for talking to me. And if there's a
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41:44
highlight of my day, and my week and the weekend, as well. So thank you so much for the invitation.
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41:48
I loved it. And I somehow knew I would. And I'm going to mention, if there's anything that you want me to mention, what I'd like to mention is how much fun it was talking to Bob. And I'm pretty amazed at everything that he's done. And I love his impulse to reach out to the rest of us, and try to teach us how to do it, how to get better at some of these things, how to implement leadership, no matter what position we have, how to navigate the world of trying to find a job. I mean, he's just super helpful. He's all over the place. You can learn more about Bob by going to Labrador leadership.com. That's his website that includes a link to his blog. It also includes a link to his podcasts, he has a lot of them. And as you can tell, he's really fun to listen to. So go check that out. And I will definitely post a coupon or a link to a special my reader only offering that he's doing so you can check that out too in the show notes. So as always, thank you so much for listening, and I hope you enjoyed it as much as I did. And until the next time. This is Lynne Thompson with the Storied uHman saying goodbye and thank you for listening
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