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Hello and welcome to the storied human. Today I have a really interesting guest, Annabelle tonkovic, she's a quantum Reiki master and astrologer. She developed something called Nuna therapy, but she wasn't always a quantum Reiki master and astrology astrologer. She has her time in the corporate world, and we're going to hear about how she discovered that she needed to make that transition as we get to know her. So welcome, Annabelle. It's really great to have you.
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Yeah, thank you so much. I'm excited to be here, and I'm cracking up about our similarities. Before we started this interview, we realized we crossed paths, or, you know, you went to the same college as my daughter and I lived where you grew up, and it was crazy. Yeah, yeah. I mean, that's a, that's a serious, like, six degrees of separation, right? And, like, connection, right? So, cool, so cool.
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I don't usually have that, so that was fun. So why don't you start me out with, I know that your journey involved. You know, you got out of college and you felt like, I have to have a job now, and where did what kind of job did you end up in? How did you start? Yeah, it's funny. I mean, I think as a kid, I always had this drive to work, and I think it was really around I wanted to make my own money. I didn't want to depend on anyone else. I wanted it to be all mine. And even in high school, like I needed to have some kind of a job. And I remember my parents saying, but you have to keep your grades up schools first. And I'm like, that'll be fine. Don't worry.
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I'm sure I'll I'll do fine. So I always tried to have a job. And so after college, it was then next logical step. It was like, So, what's the next thing? And I always interred in college, and then I started off at a relatively small company in the biotech healthcare industry. And I, you know, just kind of very natural progression. Graduated, got a full time role, and before I knew it, I was there 10 years, close to 10 years.
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So goes fast, it does it goes by so fast, and I studied communication, and that's what I ended up doing in in the corporate world. I was, I've always been in communication, specifically internal, dealing with employee emails, the intranet, employee engagement, doing events, things like that.
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And, you know, I never really questioned it. I was just like in the daily grind, which is what happens. You get in this routine of your nine to five, you have an hour drive home, you wake up and you do it again, and you use your weekends to kind of replenish, and then the continues. And before you know it, many years can go by, but I I remember that there were several moments along this journey when I would have this feeling of, I'm just not satisfied. There's something here that's missing for me, either the job is wrong, right, and maybe I just need to go find another job in also in corporate, but just change the name, right? Like, go find somewhere else, or maybe I'm in the wrong profession and role.
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But there is a bit of like, oh, do I go back to school? Like, do I take up a certification? Like, what does that really mean? So I just always had, there was something like, I wasn't sure what it was, but something was like, deep down, was like, this is just doesn't feel right. But when you're in your 20s, you don't do much about that, right?
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You could have the feeling, and then life continues, because you have other family responsibilities, you get married, you have children, you move right. There are these huge life transitions that also, in a way, cause you to want more security when it comes to your job. So then this desire that you might have for something different, you kind of push aside because you say to yourself, well, other things in my life are moving in the right direction, so the job can kind of stay where it is. So that's a little bit of I would say, my my corporate backstory, yeah, and it's so true we. Talk ourselves into staying where we are because it's safe and secure. And I think people around us sometimes say, Well, everyone feels like that a little bit. But look at what you have, you know, and you sort of get lulled into sticking with the status quo. It's easy to have happen exactly, exactly, yeah, and I think, I think that is the story that we tell ourselves. Is, well, you know, this is kind of it. This is how it is. And when then you when you say it that way, or you hear other people kind of in a similar place, you say, Well, what makes me different? Why? Why should I kind of do something different about it? Um, so, yeah. I mean, that's pretty much what happened, right? I think just life kept moving for me.
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So how did you first have an inkling that you should be doing something else, or what? What happened that made you start that change? Yeah, I think for me, it was very much. It was personal, right?
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Where I started, you know, after my first daughter, I talk about this a lot, but I had postpartum depression with my first daughter, and that was probably like a bit of a spark of like something's like, off, right, something. But again, it was first time, mom, again, you're kind of like, well, is this just what you're feeling, you know, is this just like what the experience is like? And then, you know, and then eventually you find yourself, right? That's kind of what it was. And then, you know, I kind of started getting into therapy, which I had done before, and then I figured, like, Okay, I need to keep up with it something. I still need to talk through certain things that I feel like are blocking me. And therapy, I think at that time in my life was really great, and it got me to a certain point, but then I felt like I just, like, plateaued, and I wasn't really going anywhere else, and the problems or the blocks that I had were still existing in my life, right? So some change, but not enough to really say, oh, there's been this huge transformation, or I've overcome something. Years go by, I have my second kid. We're in the middle of covid. I mean, I literally had her at the start of covid. It was in, oh, that's hard. That was really tough, because, again, I got postpartum, and the fact that the whole world was isolated made it probably 10 times worse. And that was when I really thought, because things were really bad then, then things got bad for me, and I felt like something has to change here, and what I've been doing is not working, and that's what really pushed me to bigger, like, find something else. And I remember my husband saying, Well, why don't you just, like, try to do the things that you like or that you enjoy? And I thought that was such a silly and also, like such a simple thing to say, because it almost sounds so obvious, like, why wouldn't you do the things that you enjoy? But when you're wrapped up in kids and, you know, the whole world is falling apart, you just don't think about that. That's a very supportive, lovely thing to say. I really like that.
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Yeah, yeah, it was, it was a very nice thing. And that's kind of what pushed me into astrology. And I remember, like, as a kid, too. I always was very interested. I never thought of it as, you know, reading my daily horoscopes and I'm going to know, you know, or try to predict what's going to happen in my day, but rather as a way of understanding myself and who I am better. And that is how it started. I kept astrology was almost a jumping off point for understanding who I was outside of the the traditional maybe the way that either I would see myself or others might be perceiving me right. Because I think we all have these stories that we hear about ourselves and vice versa, and that was really astrology helped me go deeper into how do my emotions, you know, what? What are my emotional needs? How does my mind work? What's my ego like, and all of these little things that were they were almost validating, in a way, and they helped me understand that, oh, this part of me that I think I've always tried to brush off or hide or want to be different is actually. Really a part of my makeup, it is who I am that's so good. I need to just embrace it.
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That would to me was I was, and then after that, I'm like, Okay, I need to, like, go full in. I signed up for, like, a full program, like, to really learn astrology. I went to an astrology school, and I just, I said to myself, I'm just gonna, I'm just gonna do it to learn about myself. And then from there it was, it just kind of opened up new doorways to What does energy healing look like, right? I've heard about Reiki from family members. What is that actually like? And I did have an experience where a friend did it to me, and I felt just a huge emotional release that I received from that, and that was so I hadn't experienced anything like it, and it was so helpful at the time, where I was keeping so many things just stuffed in My body and not wanting to let it out. And that was kind of how I got into into Reiki, and I really just spent several years. I think I like to call it a self discovery journey, because that's what it was for me. So it started off with myself before I could even start to think about, what does this look like for others, or how could this potentially help others? And you know, you know, here we are now. Fast forward several years, and that was when I I just eventually took the courage, because it took a lot of courage, there was a lot of fear, to leave something that was very comfy and something that I knew how to do. I could I knew how to navigate the corporate landscape, and it took me a while to just say, like, I'm gonna do, take a leap of faith and try it out.
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Well, I think it worked out, right? Seems like it did.
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Yeah. I mean, we're still, we're still in it, you know? And I think when you're when you're off on your own, trying to do what you love, what really brings you a passion, I can say that every day is so is like busy and good busy. It's like, I realize the time go by. Yeah, that's how I feel about the podcast. I work full time, and I have a podcast. It's insane, right? But it just makes me so happy that even if it takes hours or happy hours, it's just different. Yes, when you love what you're doing, and I just feel like I share information, it's exciting, and I learned so much from each one of you, and it's just, I mean, I have a little slice of that in my life, and I'm very grateful, but I think it's so brave to sort of come out, like, that's what I'm always afraid of, is showing how spiritual I am, and what I actually believe in is a little scary. And I'm wondering, like, did you feel that with your family and friends like that, you were sort of revealing, maybe more than you had Yeah, I think there was a there was a time when that was I wasn't talking about it a lot. To be honest, I would tread very carefully with what friends I would share with, even what I would tell my my family or my parents. But then I started to realize this is my story, and I think the place where I was, it was really uncomfortable to share, was at work, because it's not necessarily, I mean, astrology, it's, it's a little bit scoffed at, right? It's a it's this, woo, woo. I think if you don't really understand it, it can be very much seen as, you know, what's your daily horoscope? And that's at all.
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That's not really what it is.
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Same thing with energy healing.
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I think people don't truly understand it unless they've experienced it or maybe they've read about it. But it wasn't until, I think, a couple of years ago, where I just, I kept I just said to myself, well, worst case scenario, I you know, they just kind of brush me off, right? And, you know, I don't have to talk about it again, but there were a couple people at work that I was close with, and so I, as I was going through my trainings, I had to find people to practice on. So I would say, like, Hey, I do this thing on the side. Would you be willing and open to do just a free reading. I'll just read your chart, or whatever it was, and that's how I started to, just like little by little, open up about what I was doing on the side. And that allowed me to just, I think, be more comfortable with how I was saying it. What I was saying, and then I would see myself opening up even more to other people. And eventually, I tried to find ways to bring the things that I liked and the things that I was into into my job, and I'll give one example. So was it last year, actually, I I had suggested to my boss that we do a Human Design Workshop for team building. And if you know anything about human design, I know a little bit it also incorporates astrology into its methodology, as with with other techniques as well. And I approached her with it, I thought she I mean, I knew she would be open to something like this, but I wasn't so sure about the rest of my team. And luckily, I got the green light from her. I was able to work with someone who I was already had worked with in the past, and we created a really nice team building Human Design Workshop.
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And that was so exciting to me, because I got to finally blend two things, my corporate role, that I was in with something that I liked, and then I was able to put these two things together. And that's that also got gave me more courage to say, you know, these are the things that I enjoy. I'm into this stuff.
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So that's wonderful. Yeah, you merged the two worlds. Plus, I'm thinking people already liked and trusted you, so they were ready to hear this, this other stuff, right as part of the workshop. Yes, yes, exactly that was that was a cool thing. I think that really moved you forward. Yeah. So tell me more about your your wonderful Nuna therapy, you work. How long did that take to develop?
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Um, it took about, I would say, well, or like, you mean, before it even kicked off. Or, I mean, because, you know, I mean, to be honest, I think it all. It really started with my self discovery, and then eventually I had this idea of, well, how could I bring this to other people? You know, I think there are other people that are having similar questions to me, that are going through maybe something similar, who have tried therapy and are looking for just something that's alternative or just an additional an additional modality for their toolbox, because I think of all of these things that I'm learning and continue to learn, as just different methods that can help you eventually get to wherever it is that you want to go. So I don't see one as being better than the other. Because, to be honest, when I look at myself, I think I've used all of them in some way, maybe not fully, maybe just partially, but they've all led me to somewhere. So I would say it's definitely taken several years, I think, from you know, when I started my self discovery journey to finally, you know, launching to then continuing to, because I was having my side business while I was still in my corporate job, and I was just balancing both right. I was seeing clients on the side. I was trying to do marketing and promote it while doing a nine to five, and that wasn't so sustainable, yeah, and it's, it's especially because I have a family, two kids.
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They're, they're small, so you have to, you know, you're not able to do everything well, and I ended up taking a sabbatical, which was three months. So not that long, but something and that sabbatical, really, I remember thinking, I'm going to just focus on my business. I'm going to see what I can do in three months. And again, three months is short, but it was a taste of what this could possibly look like if I really did it all day, every day. And I remember going back to my corporate job after the three months, and some of my colleagues said to me, I thought you weren't coming back. And, you know, I was a little I was scared. I was, truth is, I was scared of, what if it doesn't work, what if, you know, I would be losing i. My salary I would just not have. And that was scary. And I thought, well, maybe I can continue to balance it. Maybe I can continue to juggle and just but I quickly noticed that that wasn't that wasn't true. And then I quickly also noticed that my motivation had significantly declined at work, like I just couldn't even do the basics. And that's when I felt like I was being completely inauthentic at my regular at my corporate job, and I had to do something about that.
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Still really hard, you know, like to give up the whole thing.
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It was, I mean, it was really hard for sure, yeah, but I think you that's really good. You noticed, and you were honest with yourself, because some people would just stay at their job, even if it felt inauthentic. So it's good that you you were honest with yourself.
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Yeah. I mean, I had a couple of conversations with with friends and people, and you know, it was like, well, can't you just, you know, well, you know what, if you just mailed it in or what?
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And that's not, it's not my personality, and I, you're not a mail it in kind of person.
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No, I could tell that, yeah, no, I couldn't. And because I felt like I was mailing it in, you know, and, and so it wasn't, you know, I wasn't contributing as much as I knew that I could, and that I've I had in the past. And so, yeah, I just figured, you know, I, of course, I had to do it with support, right? I am very grateful that I had the support of my family to say, like, just do it. You know, we're going to take the leap of faith. Focus on your business, growing it, whatever it takes to get it to a place where you feel comfortable. And you know, I'm in that right now, and it's, I feel so happy, and like I said, I'm like, immensely grateful for the opportunity to do that. And, yeah, that's so good. And I love that you're telling that story here, and that you continue to tell that story, because people get inspired. You never know who's listening, and maybe they're afraid to step out, and so they hear that somebody did, even though they were afraid too. And it worked out. It's a great inspirational story, like it reminds people you can do this.
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You can follow your heart.
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Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I definitely, you know, I think you have to, you have to follow your heart. And it also takes some, it takes planning, it takes reflection. It takes, you know, there's some prep work involved, right? And in terms of, how is it actually going to work, right? And I think you have to be honest with yourself about those really hard questions, which is, you know, can you, you know, how, how long can you go without income coming in? Or, you know, I think you have to get really practical.
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There's this, like, there's the high level, passionate side of you know what it is that you want to do, and I think that's really exciting, because I'm a content creator, so I like to create things and but then the the more earthy side, which is like, Alright, let's get the nuts and bolts, the practical that's also so important to focus on, especially when you're getting ready to take that leap.
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That's a really good point. You have to be realistic. Yes, so tell us just a little bit more about Nuna therapy, because it's, it's, tell me what it means. Oh yeah, the name means, I love the name and what it means.
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So Nuna means soul in Kichwa, and Kichwa is an indigenous language from the Andes, so it really comes from my background.
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My mom is from Ecuador. My dad's from Croatia. But my mother's side of the family, we have, surprisingly, lots of healers and people that are really into spirituality and energy healing.
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And I think growing up, it was something that I was surrounded by, but I didn't really notice or understand it until much, much later, and once I started to connect with my own spirituality, and I started to really dive into all things energy, healing and consciousness, and it started to make sense. And then I, you know, I, I sometimes think to myself, is this a part of our lineage? Like, what's, what's the connection here?
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Yeah, they say, they say shamans are definitely tend to. Be in, in a lineage, it's really interesting to me. Yeah, exactly.
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So, so, yeah, that's, that's pretty much, you know, it means soul. And to me, I think the work that we have to do is really within and that's why I like this idea of talking about our soul, there's so much that we keep hidden or that we haven't uncovered about ourselves, and that's just, I don't think it's intentional. I just think that it's, you know, life, a lot of times, causes us to keep things stuck or or stuffed down, because we have to keep moving forward, and we don't give ourselves enough time to reflect. And so through my work, and through the different modalities that I've that I've learned, and I find that I continue learning, because that's the only thing my my main goal is always to serve the client and the different clients that I see come for for different reasons. It could be just stress, it can be anxiety, it could be just something deeper. And I think that sometimes people don't really even realize that there's a deeper issue. Sometimes people come in for stress, and it so happens that there's grief from years ago that they actually never dealt with, right? And then you don't realize why you have this block in your heart chakra or in your chest. And so we can start to uncover some of these things. And that's why I like to use Reiki. I like to use astrology. I'm getting into tapping, you know, I'm really fascinated with the subconscious and how it works, and so I really just tried and sound frequencies. I like to use my tuning forks in my Reiki sessions, because I'm trying to find ways to help my clients really get over some of their limiting beliefs, because that is oftentimes what keeps us from reaching our full potential or embracing, you know, that person that is always there, right? The soul doesn't change. We are like the soul is continues to stay the same, right? We just occupy a human body. So if you can get back to that core, root self, that's kind of what I'm interested in, and helping people with it must be so fascinating, because people are so they're all so different, and they're all so fascinating, right? And you don't always know what you're going to uncover. So what can you just take us through?
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Like, maybe how you would start a session? Like, what for those of us who aren't that familiar with Reiki or or pulling in astrology, or even, you know, the sound frequency, like, how does it go?
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Yeah, yeah. So for, typically, for a Reiki session, what I like to do is I always like to start it off with some breathing, because the breathing really helps to just relax us. It helps to write people come in from the end of a work day, or maybe they're rushing right there.
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They're they're late, they're a few minutes late, and they're rushing. They were caught in traffic, whatever it was, you're coming into a space, and now you need to get in touch with your body. You need to get present.
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And so I always like to start off with a couple rounds of breaths, and then I always have some music playing in the background, and we go into the Reiki, and the Reiki itself, oftentimes will help to relax the person, and that is the goal, is that they get to a really relaxed, almost meditative state. I've have people sleeping on the table a lot of times, because when their body is fully relaxed, that's when healing can truly happen, when their energy can get balanced and and realigned. And for those that don't know Reiki that well, it is really, it is working with energy. And as a practitioner, what you're doing is you're not really, it's not about transferring energy from one person to the other, but it's rather just the practitioner helps to realign the energy in a person's body, and we can find that in certain energy centers or in certain places in our body, We can have blocks, and that can easily be felt by just your hands. It can feel for a practitioner, it can feel sometimes like a cold spot, or it can feel like heat or some sort of like a tingling vibration. And that can be a signal that that's an area that needs to get worked on. And in addition to whatever the client might share in advance, it could be like, Oh, I have headaches, or I have trouble sleeping, or whatever the case is, and and then we spend the next, you know, 45 to 60 minutes, it would be me really focusing in on that particular area or different areas of the body, and we use specific we call them keys in in Reiki, that are that are very specific for certain things. So it could be for physical conditions, it could be for emotional ones, mental ones, whatever is going on again with the client, and I'll use the sound frequencies or the tuning forks whenever I find that it's needed. And tuning forks, they'll get activated, and they get put next to the client's ears so that the sound can get heard, and that sound frequency actually helps the client also with their energy and getting it realigned to whatever frequency it needs to be at to be at a balanced state, like when I have the tuning forks when I play them. Oftentimes, some of my clients will say, Oh, that's I felt, you know, it'll be about their ear, but they'll feel a tingling sensation, you know, at the bottom of their spine, or they'll feel something right at the top of their head. So that essentially is telling me that, you know, it's activating certain areas in their body.
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So interesting, it's really all energy, though, isn't it the sound and the the waves and what you're how you're healing, feeling the energy, it's just so interesting.
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Yeah, yeah, it is. It really is.
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I recently did have a Reiki session. I hadn't had one before, and one of the things she said was, I, she was, she started the session similarly, like, trying to get us relaxed.
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And she, you know, she and me, and she pushed down on my shoulders like, and just kept pushing like, I didn't think my shoulders could go down that low. And she said that I had been carrying so much of other people's energy, and that I'm the kind of person that's taken on too much of other people's energy. And I just thought, of course, I am, you know, like that just rang so true. And I really wish that we had been exposed to these modalities when I was much younger. I could have avoided a lot of taking on a people's energy. I'm just, you know, I just absorb people's sadness, or, you know, anger or whatever, like I'm one of those people. And I just thought it was so cool that she could identify that right away. Didn't know me, you know, I just knew, just felt it. And so I'm a believer. I just really had a wonderful session, and I felt so much lighter when I got out of there.
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Yeah, that's, that's probably one of the, one of those key words i that i I've experienced myself, and I hear other people say is that they feel lighter when they even get up off the table, right? Because we come in with a lot, and then we not only are we relaxed, we just kind of experienced, you know, a 60 minute relaxing session, but then on top of that there, it's just like this weight has kind of just been shedded and, yeah, that's one of the common things that I hear with Reiki. I mean, what's interesting is, like, once you really start to understand the different parts of the body, and they all mean something different, right? I mean, shoulders, as you said, is very much about carrying things right. It's like this burdening that we have right. A lot of times, anything related to the legs or the knees can be about moving forward. It could be about flexibility with certain things. You know, then we start to go into the energy centers or the chakras, which I know are talked about sometimes in yoga, but they also mean different things, and we store different emotions in different parts of our body. So the base of the spine can be where we store fear, or right below our belly button is where we have guilt, you know. So these are different so when I start to feel certain, certain sensations. I'll then sometimes have a conversation with my client, right where I ask, I start to ask questions.
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What, what do you think is blocked in this area? Or do you have any feelings of guilt or fear or shame, you know, and we can actually go deeper that way.
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So that's another thing that I like to do in my session, is it can be, I always like to ask people what is their main objective with the Reiki session, if it is pure relaxation, you have stress, nothing else is going on in your life. That's. The only thing you just want to feel lighter. We could completely do that, and that's a different kind of session. But if there is something that you're actually trying to overcome, some sort of a trauma, or there's a block that you haven't been able to get rid of, those sessions involve a lot more talking, because it's more of a dialog between the both of us, where I ask questions and then the client will respond if they feel comfortable with whatever it is they want to share. And that's when we start to peel back the onion of you know, yes, it is X, Y or Z, or I'm having a memory come up from when I was a kid, and this is what happened. And then we kind of go deeper that way.
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So that's very therapeutic when you when you start digging like that, and the person can come to that realization that there's something there. Because, like you said, sometimes it's unconscious and you just don't even know until you start poking the bear, as it were, you don't really know you know you or you just you're not aware exactly. And I think one of the things that I also like to point out is that with Reiki, it's a two way street. It is. It's a lot about, you know, the client comes in and they want to feel better, and in my my job and my role is to help facilitate the healing.
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I was getting that word, right?
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Facilitator? Yeah, definitely.
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I'm the facilitator in that session and in that process. However, when that person goes home, right? You, they have to realize that they're also going back to the life that or the routine, right?
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If they come in for stress, and that's the one thing they want to get rid of, then, then it's important that they change something in their life, right?
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So in a Reiki healing session, it's not going to like all stress is going to disappear from their life. So it's important that they also realize that for them to continue the healing journey, there is, and I often give homework to my clients. It could be so good, yeah, it could be something as easy as here's a link to a meditation that you need to listen to, you know, once a day, or whatever I prescribe, but I try to give really practical tools that people can go home with, that they could do on their own. And it could be a sound frequency, it could be something that they or affirmation or journaling exercise or just something, because I always think that we have the answer to the our problem, right? I don't have it.
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No one else does. You're the only person that truly knows your story, your journey, your experiences, and so my goal with the Reiki is also to help people uncover and help them see either the problem or help them discover the solution to whatever their challenge is. So it's just the beginning. The session is really just the beginning, right? You've got to make changes based on what you learned. Yeah, that's so interesting. Thanks for telling us that. Because, I mean, I've only had one session, and some people don't really know about it, so it's good to Yeah, we had you talk about it now. Can you tell me just a little bit more about what constitutes Nuna therapy? Like? What? What is that? Is that different from the Reiki, or is that a combo?
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Oh, I don't know if I understand the question, well, I know that you named it.
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After several years, you developed something called Nuna therapy, right?
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Well, Nuna therapy is the, just the name of the business, okay, I thought it was, I thought it was. That's when you got to the point where you knew that you could offer these sessions. And yes, I love the you know, I love that name, so I had to bring it up again.
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And I love this in an indigenous language. I'm I'm super into shamanism and indigenous cultures, so that's kind of an obsession of mine. So when I knew that that was a language in your family, I was like, Oh, I love this. Yeah, it's an obsession. And it's funny, we're talking about things that we were exposed to as a as a child, and sort of, sort of noticing them, but not maybe taking them as seriously, maybe when you're little. And I took a shamanic course with somebody who did Celtic shamanism, and she's a sixth generation druid.
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Literally, it's a lineage, and she was, it really made me jealous, because she was raised being taught by her grandfather, and I've thought so much about because that's my my lip, my background is, I'm got a lot of Celtic and so that class was just like ringing bells from you know, it was very experiential, too. I did a lot of journeying and stuff, and I thought. How different my life would be if I had had a teacher when I was young, because I took me so long to sort of like you, to uncover it and to admit that it's part of me, and to learn about it.
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And you know, it makes you think like how people used to be raised. They were raised in these traditions, and they were taught about the soul and about just the need to meditate and take time and and rituals that people used to do together. You know, I think we're missing something in our modern world.
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We don't. That's why I'm so attracted to shamanism, because I think it's I love psychology.
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I've gone to therapists. I get a lot out of that, but I shamanism is an older psychology. To me, it's 1000s of years old. It's the same all over the world.
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It's very, very similar the kinds of things that people do in those rituals. And so, yeah, they they work like, to me, they're just old psychology, you know, like, just really good, proven ways that people get together and help each other heal. And so when I hear you talk about what you do, that's what it reminds me of, something that's time tested, something that works on that other level, that wonderful unconscious soul level that people might not always be aware of. And I just think, you know, modern society is great, but it needs a dose of this kind of stuff. Like, I think it's, I think, I really think that it is the fact that we're not as connected to our bodies, to even just nature or Mother Earth. There's we've definitely lost something there.
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And it's, it's interesting, because I feel like we're at a time where we're starting to come back to it, right? It's like, started there, we completely abandoned it, and you are finding that we're now starting to come back to it. And it could also be the circles that I run in, because I'm very much into this, right? So I see it all, yeah, but I think in general, people are more sensitive to it. And I see just looking on social media, people are posting things about connecting with animals and spending time in nature. And what I really love is when people have science backed evidence that spending time in nature, literally, de stresses you and helps you feel better, and, you know, makes you just calmer. And so when they say, there's scientific reason people pay attention, and I love that, because I never lost my connection to nature. I've always been plugged in, and it made me like a weirdo. When I was I was a child, I would go into the forest, and I would sit on this big rock behind my house, and I would sing to the fairies because, yeah, they were there. I never saw them, but I felt them. And my mother was really cool about it, like she she just thought I was cool, but, I mean, I never talked about it, you know, with my friends, and I never admitted it. And my father was super into nature, and so I was raised, and I was raised in the country, so I think I really was lucky, because it was always it was always there, but I think a lot of people do need to get back, you know, they need to plug back in. I see that a lot.
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It's very tough when you're not connected that way.
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Yeah, yeah. I mean, right now I'm I'm taking a course to learn. I'm learning how to teach spirituality and energy healing to children, and I'm so excited about this, and I'm looking forward to really being able to launch some sort of a program for it, because I find, even with my own kids, how, you know, they they see me doing this, right? They're, they're always playing around with my crystals.
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Or they're, you know, I'm doing tuning forks on them. And so they're a little bit used to mom doing these types of things, right? Or I talk about my Reiki sessions and but I know that, you know, I did a kids Moon circle at the beginning of this year, and it was my first time doing it. But I really the kids had such a great time, and they really opened up, and we did a ritual to let go of emotions that were, you know, kind of keeping us blocked, or that we're stuck in our bodies. And afterwards, I remember some of the moms telling me, oh my, my kids said that they're not having that bad dream anymore because she let go of the of that emotion that you know in your ritual, or someone else said, oh my, my kids starting to journal now after that session.
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And you know, that really lit me up so much, and I thought, I have to do something with kids.
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So, yeah, so that's, that's the next thing I'm working on. I'm so glad you're doing that. Because really, if you start them that way, and they and they get. Into those healthy sort of self awareness rituals and taking care of themselves. It'll be easier later. And I just think it's great. That's a wonderful thing to do, and they are so much more open, yes, less cracking open, I would imagine less less blocking when you're young.
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It really comes down to awareness that That, to me, is the big thing, if you can be so much more aware of a sensation that you have in your body, of a thought that you have in your mind, right? How often do we talk ourselves out of our gut?
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So, yeah, not taught to do trust the body. We're just taught to trust the mind. And I'm not saying the mind is not good. The mind is there for a reason, and we also should supposed to use it, but we're not as in touch with our body. And so that's, I think, one of the most important things that we can learn is just, what are we truly feeling?
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What's that sensation? What does it mean? So, yeah, that's wonderful. Is there anything that we didn't talk about that you'd like to make sure we share?
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I don't think so. I mean, I didn't talk too much about the about astrology, but it's just, you know, I think one of the other things that I do with astrology is that it's just, you know, I find that energy healing, at least with the people that I clients, that I seen, people I work with, is that very much people come in because they're having a physical challenge or some sort of a physical issue, and at the end of the day, we all want to feel better. We all want to be happy. That's kind of the the age old thing that we all want to do, and that's why I see so many more clients when it comes to energy healing and Reiki, astrology, I think, though, is, I think it can be an afterthought, and I don't know if people fully understand or appreciate the depth that it can really provide, especially when it comes to just understanding yourself better. And what I'll say about that is that we often live our life based on either someone else's stories about us, and those stories have been ingrained in us that we've then created a story based off of that story. And what I mean by that is that you know, if your parents or your friends keep telling you something about yourself. It could be, Oh, you're so smart, or oh you're so whatever. That becomes almost your identity, in a way. And it's really hard, after years and years of being told the same thing, to get rid of it. And so you feed into that story, and it becomes yours, right? And it keeps going on and on. And I think what's beautiful about astrology is that you really begin to dig into who is the authentic version of yourself?
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Is this story actually real, or is there another part of you?
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And when you start to dig into that, that's when you really begin to uncover, oh, I think I remember that part of me when I was a kid, the part of me that used to love whatever to be creative, the part of me that always cried, but I was told that I was too emotional and I need to get over it, whatever it is, and That allows you, once you realize it's who you are, you can embrace it, and then you can figure out, how do you deal with it, right? You know, because there are extremes with everything. There's an extreme to being too emotional, there's an extreme to being, you know, too creative, and then it's about finding that right balance. And that's what I think Astrology can really help people find and it helps to give you validation. It helps you to figure out, where do I need to focus more energy on? Where should I, you know, or what can I embrace? Where do I need to set boundaries? Things like that.
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That's wonderful. You know, you're speaking my language stories. And, yeah, exactly. I'm sort of fascinated with that.
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I've always been interested in family myths and how our family defines us, right? And I think that's such a beautiful experience that you take people through, like, take a look at what you think you are, you know. And we, I took a mindfulness class that was how to podcast, but also mindfulness with Kathy Heller. And she said, What did you like to do when you were eight years old?
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What was your favorite thing?
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Who were you and what would she say to you? What would your eight year old self say? And it was just such a wonderful exercise, because you're right. A lot of times we're just. Uh, absorbing what people say about us and incorporating it, and just that whole idea that maybe it's time to let some of that go. And that's very powerful.
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Plus, you know, once you're your authentic self, you can offer the world the gifts that that only you came with. That's my whole thing, is like, if you're not being everything you can be who you really are. Yeah, you're, you know, what's the point? I mean, you have things to offer the world, even even in a small circle, right? You want to be yourself. And that's a beautiful that's the beautiful idea behind just becoming more your authentic self.
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It's very powerful, too.
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I love that you're doing that. I love your work, as if you couldn't tell so your your website is www.nunatherapy.com, right, yeah. And you can sign up for a newsletter. There is that? Did I see that? Yeah, yeah, definitely good.
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Is there anywhere, anywhere else we can get in touch with you?
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Would you like to give us your Instagram or, yeah, I mean, you can find me on Instagram, Tiktok, Facebook, YouTube, it's they're all new everywhere. I'm I'm everywhere.
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Good, I'll put all that in the show notes, but I like to give you a shout out if I can. Okay, good, yeah. Thank you so much. I learned. I just learned so much, very, very interesting. And I think your work helps a lot of people, and I think it helps to hear about it. I think maybe people might seek out sessions, you know, they might realize that it might be for them. So that's great, yeah, yeah. I mean, I hope so, right? I think a lot of times when you start to get into this place, you can think a lot of this is just like, you know, I like to use the word Woo, woo, but that's how it gets portrayed. And it's definitely a lot more than that, if you give yourself the time to really just explore it. And you know, even if you try it and it doesn't work for you, because you have to find what resonates with you, and not everything is going to work for you, and that's okay too, right? This isn't for everyone, but if this calls your attention, or you've, you know, keep thinking about it, then there might be something there.
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So it's like the story that you told about the shamanism, or even, like your Celtic roots.
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And I would say, explore it. Do it. If it interests you, just do it.
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What's that wonderful Rumi quotation? Right? It's like that, that that which you are seeking is seeking you exactly that pull. You have to trust that pull. Oh, yeah, and I don't, I think what's so fascinating about all this is like, you're helping people remember that these are important things, and those things are sort of discounted as you grow up and you're getting all practical, and you go and find a job, and you, like you said, it's easy to just shush those things into Oh, well, you know, whatever that I'm I'm interested in that, but that's not important right Now, but, but you're saying it is like, you know, what we're pulled towards, what what we enjoy, is important?
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Yeah, definitely. And, and that goes back to kind of the beginning of my story, which is, you know, when I started off with that astrology class, it was the thing I was pulled to.
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And, I mean, it's, it's led me here, so I can only be grateful for that and how cool that you followed it. Yes.
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So I would encourage everyone to follow the thing that they're pulled to, even if it seems weird and strange, just do it, which you really never know where.
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Yeah, it might, it might seem strange. I mean, that's okay, yeah, but it's really not Yeah exactly.
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Thank you so much.
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Yeah, thank you. You
