5. Lurker to Gainer

Transcribed by @thickey_mouse

0:06

[Intro Music]

Let's talk about it.

0:23

James: Hello, and welcome back to Thicc Radio. The podcast where we talk about gaining, and everything in its orbit. I'm James. 

Tim: And I'm Tim.So let's get it started.

James: Well, I figured today, you know, Tim, you and I were talking about this, the experience of having been a lurker and then actually taking the plunge and becoming a gainer.

Tim: Mmhmm.

0:50

James: I am, you know, I've kind of shared a bit of my own story in the past. I kind of feel like I always was a gainer. Like I don't feel like I lurked for long if at all before knowing that I wanted to gain.

[Tim laughter]

James: I think I just discovered the community and went, oh, I want to get fat like it wasn't like I lurked and then kind of came to a decision but, you, you yourself have expressed a sense of having been lurker, uh right?

1:17

Tim: Yeah, uh when I first discovered the online Gaining Community, I was very much a lurker.

James: So speaking of that, like, how did you discover the gain of community, originally?

Tim: I was 18 and I was on the internet and I was horny because I was young dumb and full of cum.

1:35

Tim: So I was, you know, I don't think we had Google back then.I think we only had like… What did we have? Ask Jeeves and Yahoo? So I was typing in like, fat man porn, chubby guy porn stuff like that, and that was back when they used to have web rings and like multiple sites, could be attached to a web ring and you would just go and you'd cycle through all of them.

2:01

Tim: And I think I was on some chubby porn site and landed on, it must have been either belly Builders or uh Gainerweb. Can't remember which one came first but that's when I found like, “Oh my god, there are men out there that are intentionally getting fat!” and posting their pictures and this was back before the idea of me getting fat myself had ever crossed my mind, I just knew that I was into this and I started going to those sites every day and watching people post their progress pics and… But I was not comfortable enough to put myself out there in any kind of way.

2:40

Tim: I just wanted to observe. I was not at a point where I wanted to actually go out and put my stuff out there.

James: Interesting.So obviously, there was an understanding before you came across gaining, that you were attracted to larger guys. You probably identified an attraction to Bears chubs.

3:00

James: Yeah. And Bulls. I suppose that's like the other category of like a lot.

Tim: All those labels.

James: [Jokingly] I'm a giraffe.

Tim: Gay men and our labels.I swear to God. I don't know why.This seems to be exclusively a gay man thing, but we just love to label everything.

3:18

James: Yeah.

Tim: Like I heard someone say dolphin one time, and I'm like, well, what the fuck is a dolphin? And they're like, well, it's a muscular gay man who shaves like all of his hair off And I'm like, that's stupid. Like, what? Seriously? It had to be a dolphin like… 

James: Like what about a man who has a penis..

3:41

James: …That goes down to his knees? Does that make him like an aardvark?

Tim: I have no idea. I don't know it but give it enough time there will be a label like that.

[James Laughter]

James: But circling back so you could identify that there was a specific attraction towards larger guys and like when did that come out for you was that always there?

Tim: Oh that was as far back as I can remember.

4:04

Tim: I mean obviously before puberty it wasn't a sexual thing like it's not like I was a five-year-old with an erection or anything like, no.But I remember always being entranced by it, like very fascinated by it, wanting to see more of it like we referenced all those.

4:19

Tim: Like cartoon shows that we watched when we were kids, that kind of thing where a character would become spontaneously chubby or like going and eating binge and gained a lot of weight, like all that stuff was just being stored in my head and then puberty hits. And, all the gears start turning and the switches come on.

4:37

Tim: And I'm like, “Oh, it's more than just fascination, I'm actually getting off to this.”, you know, so that's- that's been lifelong. Mmm, so when you discovered BellyBuilders, Gainerweb that was the first time you'd come across. The concept of someone is getting fat intentionally, right?

4:53

Tim: Yeah.And you know it's one of those “Aha” moments when the light bulb goes off and you're like, oh my God, I'm not alone.I'm not the only person that’s into this. There are more people who are into this. Oh my god!. There are people who post pictures, holy shit!

5:10

Tim: I can look at them, you know. And so, you know, a typical night for me about the age of 18 or 19. I'm planted in front of a computer at 2:00 in the morning, when everyone's asleep with a bottle of lotion beside me and some tissues and I'm just going to town 

James: Having a good time…

5:28

James:…You know, if I ever find the power to travel back in time, I'm going to find your 18 year old address. I'm going to stand outside the window. And play a simple refrain on my phone that young you may only hear enough to be like that was probably a song playing in the back of my mind. But, it's the Tigger song from Winnie the Pooh at the end where he says “I'm the only one” and then I'm gonna whisper “But you're not the only one.”

[Tim Chuckle]

5:51

James: Sorry Tigger, not the only one.

Tim: Well, we talked a lot about how when you're younger, how isolating it can feel to know that you're into this kind of thing and not aware that there's a community out there. And when I was 18, that was 2001.

6:07

Tim: So the online presence of gaining was not what it is today, you really, really had to hunt for stuff back then. And you know, to think of to think like if I were 18 today and discovering The grokio aps or discovering BellyBuilders as it is now or, you know, the Instagram gaining community, like, doors would have just been busted open.

6:32

Tim:...Like I probably would not have been nearly as timid or shy about sharing my own self. In today's…, what word am I looking for? In today's Community.

James: Yeah, it is interesting to reflect on, you know, the state of things even, even 10 years ago and thinking “Gosh.”

6:51

James: Things really felt so developed then but now you look back on how things were and it's like our God you know, kids today, they do genuinely have it so much easier. It makes me curious to ask, you know, do you feel like that lack of community is perhaps what kind of fueled an element of the lurking to an extent?

7:11

Tim: Yeah, because I do remember back then it's I'm sure that other gainers were talking to each other. That had to be happening. And I'm sure that they were meeting up and you know, forming small groups of friends and whatnot. But it wasn't the kind of thing that it is today, like see on Instagram where the community does, you know, people go on live stream.

7:31

Tim: They talk to each other. You have four people in the chat. You can meet people from all over the planet. It didn't feel like that back then.

James: Right. I mean, it makes sense and I don't know, I think Lurker is about the only label in the gainer community that invokes eyeroll.

7:52

James: Because, you think about it, are you a Gainer,  a Maintainer, Encourager, Feeder, Feedee Pig, Bloater, Stuffer, Padder, Inflater, Lurker urp! Everyone just goes what?

[Tim Laughter]

James: Because, I can't… 

Tim: I guess lurker carries the pejorative because it's seen as, like, possibly cowardly.

8:13

James: Yeah.

Tim: That you're not putting yourself out there in any type of way, you're not even putting an image of yourself out there.

James: Now, that is a point to be made. Because in order to be known in any kind of digital space, you have to present some form of character, you know.

8:31

James: So whether that's on deviantART as some kind of content creator or on Tumblr as a content creator or on Grommr/ Instagram / any other platform within gaining. You post photos of yourself to create a character that people identify with.

8:50

James: Lurkers don't invest. Lurkers rarely have a picture up, let alone any full content of their own. So I suppose there is something to be said with lurkers, especially lurkers that live nearby. Have you ever had that experience of going online and you see like blank profile, viewed you, you know, less than less than a mile away? And you are just looking around, being like, “Who are you?”

9:18

James: Cause you think to yourself, Oh, if you only just viewed your profile, like I was outside walking around the park, you were at the park at the same time as me. That's why you looked at my profile because you were at the park and you saw me and you oh is that so and so, oh, and then you went and looked at me so you're someone who’s in my local area, spying on people, and looked at me. And then that like, it is a little bit uncomfortable because it's like they know you…

Tim: I remember…I remember I had this experience one time where somebody messaged me on Grommr and they were a local and they didn't have anything on their profile. And all the message was like I saw you out last night at the bar. I really like your belly. And I replied with well I really wish that you had come up and said something to me, you know, you could have said, hello.

10:02

Tim: You could have introduced yourself. I understand that like, social anxiety is a big problem for a lot of people. I guess it's been so long since I've had that problem. It's hard for me to identify with now. But like, I mean…I don't think I'm an intimidating person by any means.

10:21

Tim: I just wish that-, that I, that person whoever they were and I never did find out because they never message back, had the bravery to come up and just say hello and, you know, maybe make a friend or something. But, I realized that the majority of lurking is probably due to that social anxiety. That idea of who am I to talk to this person?

10:43

Tim: What if they reject me, what if they're not interested? What if I, you know, if I actually go up and start talking to a gainer? That's me admitting that I'm into this and that I have to now face the reality of what I'm really into, I feel like it's a lot of that situation.

11:01

James: Well I mean I've made this statement a number of times it surprises me to no end how often I am the first Gainer that somebody meets. And I don't think of myself in any kind of massive sense, either in terms of popularity, or physical dimensions.

11:17

James: And yet, I'm often baby's first gainer. And I had to ask myself, why? But, probably a willingness and openness to meet new people and kind of leave things ambiguous and open the quote unquote, see what happens when you just catch up for a coffee and have an opportunity to normalize it.

11:37

James: So how Long, was it between when you discovered the Gainer Community and when you transitioned from Lurker to Gainer, how long was that?

Tim: It was a slow transition, there was another step in between. Because so, so from like 18 to, about 23 or 24, I was solely…

11:59

Tim: Just, it was just, like the lurking. I didn't have any pictures posted, or anything like that, because as we've discussed many times before, skinny Encourager is often the invisible person in the room and I didn't feel that I had anything to offer in terms of people, like, would want to see. So then I started watching people bloat on Yahoo instant messenger because you could do the cam to cam thing and I did it with a few bloaters and I realized, oh well, I can just do that because I'm not putting on any weight, but I'm making my belly look bigger.

12:28

Tim: And I was posting pictures of me with a bloated belly. And I was bloater, quote-unquote for a while and that lasted until I was about 26 or 27, when weight actually started to stick.

12:44

Tim: You know, I was approaching 30. Weight was coming on. I was by no means fat by no means whatsoever. I was just starting to get a little bit of love handles. I was starting to get softer around the middle but still, you know, very like what society would call a skinny guy.

13:00

James: Yeah.

Tim: And I started posting pictures of that. I started getting responses from people like, oh, are you going to keep getting bigger? Like you look so hot. If you kept getting fatter, blah, blah, blah. And because, you know, and I've talked about my toxic marriage before because I was in the middle of a toxic marriage.

13:18

Tim: I did not take the plunge because I didn't think that my husband was going to like it, and he was already putting me down for having this fetish and he was already making me feel like I was undesirable because I was not fitting the body type of the kind of people that he was cheating on me with.

[James Groans]

13:34

Tim: So, yeah, didn't actually take the full plunge and become a full-fledged Gainer until after I broke up with him.

James: So how long was it then between when you first discovered the community and became a bloater, how long did that take?

13:52

Tim: So that would, so from 18 to like 23. So, discovered the community at 18 became a bloater at 23.

James: So about five years, what were those experiences? Like, if any, that you had interacting with other members of the community?

14:09

Tim: Well specifically when I was a lurker. I would reach out and sometimes I would complement some of the, the more well-known gainers at the time, but because I wasn't really presenting anything of myself. I was often ignored. And if I wasn't outright ignored, I was told or I would be asked, well what's your, you know, your stats?

14:27

Tim: And when I typed in 5-10, 123 pounds they were like, “Oh yeah, no sorry.” 

James: [Concerned] Hmm. I mean I think that's also reminiscent of… Like the priority that does exist in the community obviously it is a community centered on fatness, on growth.

14:45

James: Yes we want to preference the people who are larger but you know we've talked about this before both on live-streams and on the podcast there is an understanding of why there's that focus and it's important to keep it that way.

But also there's something to be said about the way in which thinness and people who are thin, whether they are Encourages, Admirers, Non-gainers or baby gainers just starting out.

15:12

James: There is something to be said about the way in which we treat those individuals. And a discussion should be had about ways in which we can improve on that as a community. And you've spoken a little bit about, you know, the things that at the time made you apprehensive to really take the plunge.

15:28

James: So you'd start out with bloating, tell me again. What was that moment when you decided to take the plunge from bloating into gaining?

Tim: Well, like I said, weight was starting to come on anyway. And I'd you know, I've always had this fetish always and you know, in the time period where my marriage was about to come to an end.

15:53

Tim: I was really getting fed up with kind of, everything. I was getting fed up with the way that he was treating me. And just outside of him, I was getting fed up with society's beauty standards. I was tired of being looked at like…I would have been over 30 at this point.

16:10

Tim: I would have been about 32 and I was already considered past my prime in the Gay Community. I was already getting looked at askance as like, you know, the “Twunk”,  which I hate that word. And I was just like fuck it, okay, you know, I don't know how to articulate this properly, because I honestly didn't even get turned on by my own weight gain until just recently.

16:33

Tim: So, prior to being turned on by my own weight gain, I just knew that I wanted to be different. I knew I wanted to be more like, I wanted to be more bearish. And I knew there were certain things that were never going to happen. I was never going to grow more body hair. I was never going to be able to grow a full beard, but I can at least control the weight.

16:51

Tim: So yeah and then and then when I finally kicked my ex out, I was like this is it! I'm going for it. We're doing it, I have nothing else to lose. I've nothing to be afraid of. I've been through every form of abuse, you can be through, you can go through. Let's just do it.

17:08.

James: Do you feel having had that experience of being a lurker, is there a validity to it that we're not seeing because again from the perspective of someone who never lurked, I came into the community knowing what I wanted to do.

17:24

James: I rocked up on the first day, went to student orientation. They said, [James using a Midwest accent] you can decide whether you want to go to Kappa Kappa Gamma, or Kappa Gamma Kappa, or Gamma Gamma Kappa, or Gamma Kappa Gamma, or Manning Yemen [Dissolves into Gibberish] . And I went “Oh yeah Gainer.” That sounds like it. Going that way.

17:42

James: So do you feel like there is a validity to it that we don't see?

Tim: Well, I mean, I know or they're I'm sure that there are individuals out there in the community who only want to live this kind of lifestyle in a fantasy setting, you know, like they may not ever want to actually meet up with somebody else.

18:00

Tim: They may only want to correspond through messages. Maybe they might talk on the phone. Maybe they might even do a little bit of video chatting, but they don't want to, they just don't want their image either, either because they're shy, or socially awkward.

18:16

Tim: Maybe they have a kind of job that really does not lend itself to allow themselves that kind of freedom. I know that people tend to get judgmental of lurkers, but I feel like we kind of need to evolve our point of view on that and just be like “Look, It's different for everybody.”

18:33

Tim: And all members of the community are valid, even if you never see what they look like, or you never speak to them, they're still a part of this tribe. And if this is what works for them, we should let them have it.

James: Yeah, you know, there's this is, I can see reasons why someone would lurk. I can see reasons why someone would distance themselves.

18:58

James: I can see reasons why someone would have that. You know, I think certainly it's only been since doing this podcast and having American contributors that I've learned that the rules in America are so severe that if someone out’s you…That's not seen as an act of sexual violence that seen as an employer's right to go…

19:18

James: “Right, well, you're fired, because you're a freak.” period end of story. So understanding that I'm like, oh, that makes a bit more sense.

Tim: Yeah.

James: And, you know, there are also things to be said about people who work in education, people who work with University students who, of course a horny and sexual beings.

19:37

James: They see their tutor, they see their teacher on a website. They interact with them, it becomes awkward, it becomes a problem, then there's the courts involved. I can see the reasons and, you know, I think something that we seem to come back to on this podcast quite a bit is reminding ourselves that there's more to the story of each experience in this community than just I dislike it or I like it.

20:00

James: Therefore it's valid or invalid full stop. There is more to the story and I think you're right, maybe there is more that needs to be given to lurkers in that sense I certainly think you know, if there was a setup that allowed for a more structured role play, or something that allowed for people who they just want to lurk, they just want to engage in a particular context.

20:24

James: And they could just have that I think that would be, I think…

Tim: Maybe we even need to revamp the terminology because again, like gay men loving to label everything, maybe we shouldn't call them lurkers. Because lurkers is pejorative it denotes a person who's sneaky. It denotes a person who maybe has an ulterior motive so maybe it should be something…

20:45

Tim: As bland as like, non-participating member of the community, or non-part or something that, you know, if you want to shorten it like I think that we should probably try and attach a less negative label to their experience. 

James: You know, maybe something like punter.

21:03

James: Like someone who sits in the grandstands, Punter.

Tim: Oh, I didn't get the reference. 

James: Or like I'm thinking like, crowd, like viewer. Like grandstand,

Tim: Like a fan, or a voyeur. Like voyeur, I don't think has…

21:18

Tim: Well, I suppose that does have a slightly negative connotation to it but it's also a sub-genre of porn. So like…

James: Maybe just a fan.

Tim: Yeah, fan, though well but fan may denote, you know that they are, I guess more like…

21:34

Tim: They're a fan of someone specific. I mean, trying to think of a word that would mean that they are a fan of the community but not necessarily like a single person. And, I had a word at the tip of my tongue and now it's escaped. So I'll have to try to see if I can circle around back to it.

21:51

James: Well, I would think listeners if you have any suggestions please send them in. So to ask maybe a bit of a dumb question here, what is the difference between your experience as a lurker, as a bloater, and now as a gainer?

Tim: As a lurker, very little to no interaction. 

22:12

Tim: As a bloater, I was getting attention. There were people who wanted me to bloat on camera for them, which I would do. And I have to say again, I know I've said this before, but it's short, PSA, bloating is very dangerous. So if you're going to do it, please be very careful because I didn't know it at the time that I was doing it. And I could have water poisoned myself.

22:31

Tim: So I just, I'm saying, exercise caution, if you are going to bloat specifically with water because you can get water toxicity, if you're going to blow it with alcohol, certainly don't give yourself alcohol poisoning. Just be careful with bloating, anytime that you're inflating an internal organ with something it could be dangerous.

22:48

Tim: So but yeah, I would do that for people on camera and then finally, when I went full hog and came out of the pantry and was like, I am a Gainer here I am, so much more communal experiences, you know, talking to people.

23:05

Tim: And you know, I'll say specifically on Instagram and The Gaining Community there, really getting to know people because Grommr, though it is lovely and I'm glad it exists. It's not the most conducive to actually talking to people and getting to know them.

23:23

James: So from what I'm hearing, it sounds like there, it's not just a change in the things that you're doing. It sounds like there is an increase in social engagement. It sounds like there is an increase in pleasure, both social and sexual.

23:44

James: That you had from said engagements. It sounds like as you came into your own, you understood that it was more of a fulfillment of yourself and an authenticity to do the gaining rather than to go simply to bloating.

24:03

James: I wonder to myself to an extent, if it could be comparable to bisexuality, in that sense. People often treat bisexuality as the gateway as a stepping stone. I'm straight. No, I'm bisexual. Actually, I'm gay and sometimes that can seem to denote that bisexuality is transient.

24:20

James: It's invalid it's just an excuse. Someone has to either be straight and dibble dabble experiment waste everyone's time or they're actually gay and just pussyfooting around about actually owning their sexuality. And maybe there's not that level of severity when it comes to being a bloater.

24:38

James: But something…

Tim:  There's more nuance to that..

James: Yeah, I think some people would just be bloaters in the end and maybe that's where they're happy to be. Maybe they're not destined to be games, maybe it's not their goal to become gainers. Maybe to simply go into being a bloater is the full fulfillment rather than seen as a halfway.

24:58

Tim: Yeah

James: That's more the comparison I think I was trying to go for there.

Tim: Yeah. I mean I can't really speak to anyone else's experience. That's how it was for me. But, you know, there are, there are people on Instagram in the Gaining Community that do only just bloating. And they're perfectly happy doing it you know so yeah for me that was the case but certainly not the rule.

25:23

James: What advice first of all, do you have for… What advice do you have for people who are in that in-between phase? People who are starting to dip their toe and they may be considering gaining but they haven't really fully committed to it.

25:40

James: Maybe they call themselves Bloaters, as Stuffers, Padders, Inflators. Maybe they need to give themselves a label, maybe they're just trialing it and they're not too sure about taking the plunge.What advice do you have for that group of people?

Tim: Well, I mean I think you can go at your own pace now like honestly because when I think back to when I first got into the community, they're kind of was less of a gray area.

26:04

Tim: It seemed a lot more black and white. You had to find what you were. If you were an Encourager, you tended to be skinny. If you were a Gainer, you were obviously trying to get fatter. If you were a Bloater that's all you did, you know like there was just very clear, it seemed like back then.

26:19

Tim: There were more strict labels. Now it seems like it's all kind of gray area because while I am a Gainer, I could also become a Maintainer. I can also switch up and become an Encourager. If I'm out at the bar one night and I've had some beers technically that makes me Bloater too.

26:36

Tim: So when it comes to, if you are a person who does not participate, if that's where you're comfortable, and you don't want to step out of that comfort zone. I understand. So you could stay there, but if you'd like to take a risk, just go with whatever feels right to you.

26:54

Tim: You know, you certainly do not have to be defined by the community itself, you get to define who you are. So, whatever form that takes, I just say…You know, experiment a little bit, you can ease into it. You can see if you like it, if you don't like it, you don't have to.

27:13

Tim: And then if there's no rules to say that you have to like anything. So yeah, that's pretty much what I would say is just be as authentically you as you can and whatever works go with it, whatever makes you happy, I should say, whatever makes you happy, go with it.

27:30

James: And, you know, to that point, what advice would you give for lurkers who are considering making some form of a plunge but haven't worked it out yet?

Tim: Well, try reaching out to people. Talk to them, you know, I know that that in itself can be very intimidating because like I used to think, who am I to reach out to someone who's well known and popular.

27:56

Tim: Like, they don't know who I am. I'm just this person. You know nothing about me but I feel by and large most gainers are nice people. Like most of us are nice people. We're not like the kids that are just going to like, shoot you down and be like [Snotty Tone] “Why are you talking to me?”

28:13

Tim: You know, yes you will run into people like that. They do exist and that's unfortunate but like for the most part I think a lot of us would take the time to talk to you and ask you questions like okay, well, how are you feeling like what do you think you want for your own body? What are you really into?

28:29

Tim: What could you possibly see happening to yourself? That's a great resource, you know. Beyond that. Just look around the community and see what tickles your fancy you know and if there's a particular thing that you're really into, give it a try, you know, I site my Beta Puppy a lot because he is like every new thing that he discovers he really gets into. You know and it opens up doors for him and all of a sudden there's this whole new world that he gets to explore.

29:04

Tim: And I think you also have to be, you know, in your heart, you have to be open to those experiences. So cliche, but I just say that, you know, follow your heart.

James: And maybe as a last question, if we were to take this out because I imagine I imagined gaining and the community like layers, like a ring with gainers…

29:33

James:…muscle gainers, active feedists, encouragers that kind of in a center, you take a step backward, you're looking at the maintainers, the admirers, maybe the more casual participants. A step back from that you've got the lurkers, the people who are just kind of on the fringe and then a step back from that again…

29:50

James:...You've got civilians, you've got people who are actually just outside of the whole concept really and, you know, kind of following this theme of, you know, moving backwards each time. What advice would you give to civilians listening to this podcast, who may be…

30:11

James:...Because they're listening they now have an idea that we exist. Maybe they have some preconceived notions, maybe they don't know what to do with that and maybe they are considering. Taking a step to learning more, whether that means understanding their own identity better, or whether it means just finding out more about it.

30:32

James: What advice would you give to those people?

Tim: Well, not to shamelessly plug our own product, but our podcast has been pretty damn good at covering a myriad of topics that could be a potentially great resource for you.

30:49

Tim: Just to learn about it, if that's all you're interested in. Go back and listen to the entire back catalog. We've covered a lot of stuff and I'm sure that somewhere in all of that, you can find some advice or some information that would be helpful to you.

31:06

Tim: You know, if you're totally outside the fetish and this is the first time you're learning about it. The only thing that I ever plead from anybody is just don't be judgemental. Just be respectful that people have kinks. You know, if you scratch the surface of any one, you're going to find a kink there.

31:22

Tim: But whether people admit to them or not, everyone's got one and if you ever feel like you want to judge someone else's kink. And, I'm only talking about kink, like, I will say this, like if a kink is not illegal, like if your kink doesn't break the law and if your kink, it doesn't hurt anybody else…

31:40

Tim:...Physically, emotionally, or mentally, don't judge someone else's Kink. You know, just be respectful of it. Because how would you feel if someone was judging your kink if someone said, [Snide Tone] “Oh my, I can't believe you're into that. That's so weird, that's so gross, I can't believe that's just what's wrong with you.”

31:57

Tim: Would you want to experience that? No, and we don't want to experience it either. We just want, you know, we just want. [Friendly Tone] “Okay. That's what you're into? Cool, no problems.” 

32:13

James: When straight people come to a gay bar? Like, I understand when women do it, it's like “Oh I can go here. Men aren't going to try to trigger-warning. Rape me here. Cool. I can just dance and have a good time and let my hair down.” Sure. Cool. Great. But also you're in a queer space and you need to not be homophobic, you need to not be transphobic .

32:28

James: You need to not be queer-phobic biphobic, you need to not be an asshole. You need to not be bringing your straight bullshit into the club. So respect that you're in our space. We've given you permission to enter and share in the greatness that we have. Just be respectful of that.

32:44

James: And I suppose that would also be my want for anyone listening to this who's considering exploring more of the community, don't be a cunt. So, that's all.

Tim: It's very simple, just be nice because we'll be nice to you in return.

James: Like whenever you listen to this, it's currently 2022.

33:01

James: Which means you know that we're dealing with this whole Ukraine/Russia war. Covid is still a thing. Restrictions are easing and not everyone's back. There's just a lot of shit happening in the world right now and I'm tired and I do not have the energy for truly, anyone's bullshit.

33:21

James: So, Please just don't. Like, do something else with your day. Do some gardening 

Tim: Read a book…

Tim and James: [In Unison]  Have a wank.

[Both Laugh]

Tim: Yeah, exactly. Ease the tension 

James: For fuck sake, Christ almighty..

33:43

James: But that brings us to the end of our episode today. Thank you, everyone for tuning in. Please remember to like and subscribe, rate is five stars and leave a good review if you liked this episode, the podcast or just us in general, share it with your friends and encourage them to tune in. You can find me on Instagram at @s.t.a.n.n.u.m

Tim: and you can find me on Instagram, Twitter, Youtube and TikTok @thickey_mouse.

34:05

Tim: So until next time, bye fats 

James: Bye Fats.

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James: Thicc Radio is a Patreon and Anchor app podcast. Produced by @s.t.a.n.n.u.m and @thickey_mouse.

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