best friends' pov with chloe, devin, and hunter

[00:00] Sunny: Welcome to Three Siblings, a podcast about life after loss and grief. We're the three siblings. Your hosts, Sonny, Tina and Michelle. On the show, we retell our stories to shine a light on tough family situations to help our listeners with issues they may be facing. Let's get into it.

[00:24] Chloe: You you.

[00:27] Devin: All right.

[00:28] Sunny: Welcome to the next episode. You just listen to our three point of views sunny, Tina, and Michelle. And like, the title of today's is it's going to be three of my best friends talking about their perspective, being there for my siblings and me when everything happened, and just being an important part of our lives and providing loving care for us. And so I'll let Chloe, Devon, and Hunter introduce themselves. That'll be the first part of the show. Next, we'll let them talk a little bit about their relationship with mental health, how being friends with us has impacted that. Next we'll talk about the timeline, them being there with us when our parents passed away. And then finally we'll talk about how everything that's transpired, how that has impacted my mental health and how it's impacted our relationships together. So I'm trying to talk as little bit as possible. So it's my best friend's point of view, but I'll be here to steer the conversation. And so now I'll let Chloe, Devin, and Hunter introduce themselves.

[01:35] Chloe: All right, so hi, how are you all? My name is Chloe Hartfield. I am one of Sonny's great friends, best friends, family, chosen family. So a little bit about me. I went to college with Sunny. We met what was it? Summer 2016. Have been friends hanging out all through school. We both stayed in Austin and live here now and work here now from a work perspective. I do implementation consulting, focus mainly in healthcare. Really enjoy it.

[02:10] Devin: Yeah. My name is Devin. I live in Austin as well with Sonny, Chloe, and Hunter. I guess. Should I call you Hunter during the podcast or can I call you Hicks? I don't know. You're Hicks to me, so yeah. Been here since 2015. My parents were in the military, so I kind of grew up all over the place and moved around every couple of years. But the joke here in Austin is I'm from Oklahoma because that's where I completed high school. And that one seems never to get old, nor will it. Yeah, but met Sonny in the summer of 2016 as well. I think even though we were in the same fraternity and everything like that, there was quite still a lot of guys and didn't really get close or start hanging out until the first summer after freshman year, but ended up being a part of the small squad that stayed here in Austin. And so been lucky enough to kind of grow closer with all the people here and really enjoyed my time. I don't know where else I'd be, honestly, besides Austin.

[03:24] Hunter: My name is Hunter Hicks. I met Sonny at UT as well. Summer of 16. I work in construction sales here in Austin. My relationship with Sonny has grown progressively since I met him. I think we've just naturally become closer. Ever since the first time we met, there's been periods of our lives where we certainly weren't as close as we are now. And now living with him, I see him every single day, and that's a blessing and a curse, but I love every moment living with him and getting to enjoy this experience, too. Seeing him indulge in this podcast and being able to express something that he's truly passionate about is amazing.

[04:08] Sunny: Yeah, well, I wanted to say thank you so much. It really means the world, being my friend, being a part of my life and just coming on to share your story with us. So I guess one fun thing we'll do is do you have any fun stories about me or maybe how we met or something like that.

[04:26] Hunter: I don't know which stories of mine will go out to the public. I'm sure there are some PG stories. The first one that comes to mind, which is not PG, is our trip to Vegas for Sloan's bachelor party last time, where we showed up a day early and proceeded to gamble for most of the night and had some interesting interactions with people and then just rolled right into the next day when everyone showed up.

[04:54] Devin: So when I think about a fun story back to when we all met together this summer of 2016 was when we all went to Free Press Summer Fest together. And that was one of the first years that they had it in the NRG parking lot. Essentially. It was a little bit different than, I guess, advertised, but we also had a good time. The weather was quite rainy and they ended up shutting down the festival. And you have a lot of different kinds of people right at music festivals and stuff, those that leave or go off and kind of make their own path. But Sunny was one who really got everyone together when they were shutting the gates and asking everybody to leave the festival right in the middle of the day. He was banding everyone together and trying to find a plan and ended up finding a place for everybody to go, essentially seek shelter right down the street, like there was just some random hotel. And that I thought kind of encapsulates, or at least represents a little bit about the kind of guy that I've had the opportunity to get to know.

[06:05] Hunter: Free Press certainly was one of the first times I think we had all done something as a group outside of the confines of UT's campus. It was the first event that we had all traveled together and naturally you're going to build some camaraderie and leave a lasting impression for a long time to come because there truly was just a numerous amount of events that took place that day with the rain and it getting shut down. I mean, I still see videos pop up every other month of six years ago or seven years ago, however long it is now, of people dancing in the rain. I remember I can tell you what Sonny was wearing. He was wearing that bumblebee Steelers jersey.

[06:49] Sunny: Yeah. I mean, there's too many countless stories of all three of us having a good time, but we'll move into the next segment, which is sort of all three of your relationships with mental health. Knowing me, being with me throughout this podcast experience, how would you describe your view on mental health, how it's changed, and is there anything you're hoping to learn from this podcast?

[07:15] Hunter: I can start mine. I never truly thought about it until really my last semester of college before I went to work. And you kind of have that realization that it all seems in the moment, like it's over, it's done in reality, your life's just starting. But that was one of the first times that I ever had my own mental health issues in the sense of a panic attack and this introspective worrying that I wasn't accustomed to ever in my life. I grew up relatively normal in the sense of a traditional household and family, parents that were quote unquote normal didn't get divorced. So that was my first kind of experience with it personally, where I started to have this conscious thought process about it moving forward. And that's only grown since I've been working and in the real world. And it's become much more normalized to discuss and talk about. And obviously, having a roommate like Sonny who's dealt with something on a different level, it helps you kind of normalize and conceptualize things a lot better than I. Personally would have done on my own or without somebody who has been there and has proactive things that you can do to help move on and help yourself discover new meanings and new ideas.

[08:39] Chloe: So when I think about the timeline of events and you've talked about it, when I listen back on some of the earlier episodes of being, like, 18 years old and getting a call about your mom and having to drive back to Houston, and I remember hearing about that, and I remember also being 1819 years old. And as we said, we were just kind of starting to become close and become friends and hang out. And I think I always look back on that time and wish that we had been more open about talking about what happened with you. It's almost like a part of me now looking back, and I think we've talked about it as well, like a little bit earlier on how much more normalized speaking about the struggles that you have is. But then we didn't talk about it. And even now, when I think about us being 19 and look at us. Now we're 26, 27. Everything that you've had to process, I know yourself. I know you get to lean on your siblings, but I know you do process a lot. Internally, it's deeply impressive to be friends with you.

[09:53] Hunter: When I first started out in Houston, thinking back on it, I didn't even know how to materialize something to be there for Sunny because it was just such a wild concept to me, and I had never been through something like that personally. I didn't know how to be there or even what to do. Looking back on it, that may have been a good thing and a bad thing. Just I don't know if I would have been the best person to look to for comfort or advice or the main thing I wanted to do at the time was just be some level of support in the sense to let him know I was there and was thinking about him. But compared to where we are now, it's such a different landscape and the thought process that would go behind it and everything that was associated with when that initially happened and occurred.

[10:45] Chloe: And I think there's some level of like, you almost want to maintain a sense of respect for you by not overstepping a boundary and asking about something that you may not be ready to talk about. But coming out of this experience, one of the things that I'll keep with me forever is it's never a bad thing to at least open the conversation to someone. And even if it's direct, even if they don't want to continue the conversation from there. I think that's one thing I wish I had done and one thing I've learned. And on the other side of the coin, it makes you think and ask yourself those types of questions like, can I open the conversation to myself of why am I feeling down today? Why am I feeling anxious today? What routines can I put in place? Which I think is something that I do to manage that keeps me, from a day to day basis, continuing to ask those questions?

[11:40] Devin: Yeah, I think definitely growing up with a lot of family in the military and stuff, there wasn't really the space to talk about your problems or really just the acknowledgment of, hey, how are you feeling this or that. It's more of just like, hey, you're a guy, like, toughen up. The whole kind of stereotype of boys don't cry, right. Or just, you don't show your feelings. That was definitely perpetuated in my house for sure, growing up. And I never really, like Hicks said, had I think, anything traumatic to me happen to where I got to a place that I started to realize, like, okay. Or at least almost just being self aware of the emotions. Right. And maybe that's because it was somewhat normal. Right. I think everyone has their own version of normal, in my sense. It was very normal that my parents were divorced and they co parented. And for me, growing up, that wasn't something that was very earth shattering to me. I kind of saw it coming. And so when I just think about mental health in general, I just think about the conversations that you have with people, or especially from a parental level, just like, acknowledging that that's something that's okay to talk about. It was never really done until we got to college, and especially after college when we started all opening this space up to have these types of conversations. And I think that it's something that's gradual. It definitely doesn't happen overnight, but there's almost a comfort to it, right, that, you know, you're in a place where you can share things and not feel judged or not feel like from a traditional parental father son situation, like you're just being a baby, toughen up, right? That's a lot of the stuff that I think gets said, or at least was said to me, for sure. And so that has led to a more complicated relationship with my parents as I feel like I've grown emotionally. So it's definitely different. But I think being friends with you and the podcast and like Hunter said, I didn't ever really feel equipped because it wasn't the same. And I also maybe felt like in college that we weren't as good of friends, where I felt that I could say that to you without, like Chloe said, crossing the line or going to a place that I thought was overreaching. But now, looking back on it, I wish that I would have just said something or just been more open and saying, hey, I'm here for you, right? Or if you want to talk about something, if there's something that's on your mind, just know you always have an outlet for that. And that's one of the I would say, biggest things that has grown out of this and that I've learned from that, is that it doesn't hurt to say that to someone, no matter how close you feel you are to them, because a lot of times you may be closer than they think or that you perceive. So it's always better to just say that and let it happen.

[15:17] Hunter: Yeah.

[15:17] Sunny: But one thing I always say when I talk about my mom and her depression is that you loved and cared for me and supported me in the most capable way you were able to. We were all 19 or 20, and all three of you weren't mental health professionals. Mental health was a taboo or something not talked about that often, especially being freshman in college. So I'll just say that you guys were my friends in the most capable way you were. And so I appreciate it, and thank you for just being able to support me in the most capable way you were able to at that time.

[16:00] Chloe: Anything I hope to learn from this podcast, I think what I've learned so far in the year. I feel like that's led up to you. Deciding to move forward with the podcast is how much better it is. When you started opening up about talking about your mom, talking about your dad, I feel like in the past year, really, before, during school, we would always get, like, a snapchat or a picture that you'd send of your mom, and I would always send a heart. And I was like, she's so beautiful. As a way to try and open the line of communication. But you've really opened that line. I mean, I remember a few months ago, it was your mom's birthday and you guys came over and we got a cake and candles and we all sang Happy Birthday with Tina at our house. And I just hope that what I can take for what anyone that's listening can take is that when you open up and can talk about what's going on with you, you become your own advocate. And it's been something that I want to apply to my life.

[17:06] Hunter: My take may be a little off center of because the whole stigma around mental health and just it's so pervasive, but from this podcast, because what you're doing with mental health is abundantly clear how positive and the impacts and the ripples that has not only to your close friends, but the audience that you reach with this. What I've taken from is just seeing Sonny and how devoted he is to a craft into something that he's been passionate about, has made me kind of sit back and think, like, what do I love? What do I want to do that I can just devote all my time and energy, but want to do that? Because it's incredibly humbling, but also incredible to watch someone who does find something they love. And I saw it the night it happened. I was with Sonny sitting on the couch when this first idea kind of populated originated. And to be completely honest, I thought, okay, here goes sonny, he's going to look into it, he's going to talk about it. Nothing's ever going to happen. That was my mindset. Next thing you know, he's buying some stuff. Next thing you know, he's talking to his sisters. Next thing you know, he's going to meetings with people that are in the industry. So, long story short, my take from that is when you find something that you like and you enjoy that you're passionate about, going all the way through it with, it can be incredibly rewarding, not just for yourself, but for people around you and the people that you're able to touch.

[18:41] Chloe: Don't sleep on Sunny. Tina. Michelle. They're hustlers.

[18:45] Devin: Absolutely.

[18:48] Sunny: So I guess next we'll move on to the timeline. We've talked about summer 2016, and I guess we'll move on to when my dad passed away, because I know Devin was part of it there. When my dad was in the hospital, so if you want to share your story, Devin, about being with me, and I really appreciated you coming in town and just being with me when I was in the hospital every day.

[19:12] Devin: Yeah. And I think that connects really well with back to at the time, in my head, I considered you a really good friend, wanted to be there for you, especially at this time, a few years later, right? But even now, as the podcast has come out and stuff, and I look back at the timeline of things transpiring, I hadn't fully pieced together a lot of the timeline and what had transpired beforehand, especially with your mom. I knew that those things had happened, but in college it really didn't all come full circle. And so I felt that, as you said as well, not being really able to know how to handle the situation, especially in my very limited conversations and capacity that my own family showed me in approaching mental health, which was to always compartmentalize, bury it, let it almost fester under the skin. But at the time, I knew that where we had met, right, or where we had really shared some of our first experiences back to that Free Press music Festival, that we would have a really good time. And so when I think about this too, it's one of the first times that we just hung out, just us too as well. So something that I had been looking forward to and had definitely not thought about missing at all. And I knew that with your dabbing in the hospital, it was kind of up in the air, but you were insisting that I come down still being just the kind of gracious host and person that you are at all times, right from the first moment we met. That was something that you've told me now too was a good escape for you. But I really wish, looking back on it, that I could have just been there more for you and talked, just opened the space, right, like we've said before, and been able to just tell you that I wanted to be there for you. What really hangs me up, too, is that I ended up just getting too ****** up one of the nights. And I felt that you were kind of taking care of me and that was not really the type of situation that I look back on that I'm the most proud of. But we still had a great time, and we went back, and one of the things that I'll always remember is just how good it smell. Every time we came home to your place after the music festival, your mom always had something hot in the kitchen, and it smelled like no other kitchen that I had been into at that point in my life, but had some of the best food there that weekend. And again, thinking back to a time when we were eating in the kitchen afterwards. Your sisters were there and your mom was there. And I just wish that I could have been more thankful and appreciative of being there with all of you during that hard time and a lot of things now, again, like I wish I could have said, but it was still a really positive overall experience, I think, outside of those contexts. And we were really able to kind of escape everything that was going on and for the way that I had approached mental health, especially, which was a lot of just escaping, not recognizing the problems or just not even thinking about them, trying to again suppress them, I felt that maybe that was the only way that I could help you at that time, was to kind of just help you get your mind off it. Yeah.

[23:01] Hunter: At the time when your dad had the heart attack. And as I've said, sonny and I's relationship has progressively grown since I've known him. Because there was times where we were friends, but we weren't hanging out on a day to day basis. We weren't texting. We weren't in text groups. We weren't doing things that you do with some of your best friends on a day to day basis. That builds a certain friendship that you can't really even quantify. I knew your dad personally and was fortunate enough to go to a couple of dinners he had whenever he was in town, which, again, was just something he didn't have to do to allow he was at a work. Dinner and didn't have to allow his son to come with however many friends he wanted to, but always was just extremely kind, courteous, gracious and welcoming. To have us there for an hour or two. So when your dad had passed, it strikes a chord a little bit differently, just as it would anybody that, you know, you've met and, you know, on a personal level, to a certain extent or even a minor extent, that was my initial take and I didn't know what was really going on. And again, it goes back to struggling with how to even verbalize those conversations. But you learn a lot just looking back on it, on how to communicate. And you may even struggle with it today for even minor things. But something like that just helps you grow as a person and has helped me grow, being able to see the development of Sunny to this day, which is remarkable.

[24:41] Chloe: Yeah, I remember when you had found out about your dad, we were all studying for finals and we were all in McCombs and NRG in the study rooms upstairs studying for finals. We were going into we're all stressed, everyone's kind of bugging out and then it's 02:00 A.m. And we just hear this news and and you leave and go home and and everything's just supposed to carry on. It just doesn't seem real. It just doesn't make any sense.

[25:17] Hunter: Even talking about it right now. I can't conceptualize that. I can't grasp that situation.

[25:25] Devin: I couldn't grasp that I hadn't had anyone close to me at the time pass. And so thinking back on it too, my mentality going into the weekend where we were at day for Night was just that, oh, your dad is sick, he's in the hospital. Right. I didn't really think at the time, and obviously nobody did right, that he would end up passing shortly after. But it was being there with your family at that time and then having that happen only a few days later that I think brought it all home to me and made me realize like, oh my God. I felt it differently than I think maybe previous attempts that you had of kind of telling us about the things happening with your mom and her attempts.

[26:24] Hunter: And.

[26:26] Devin: Just having been there and then thinking about, oh my gosh, Sonny's dad, he's not coming home. And it just makes things so much different that I think I started thinking about things way differently from that moment forward and really realizing for you the struggle that was transpiring in the background, I felt like, and what you were always dealing with on your own at that point throughout college.

[27:03] Chloe: After your dad passed. And you were kind of the man of the family, right?

[27:08] Devin: Exactly.

[27:09] Chloe: You were the man of the family. You were taking on all the same responsibilities I was taking on and doing it all with ease. And so when I think back and look at what my perception of how you were taking things, I thought Sonny is being very strong. I thought Sonny is doing really well. And then what happened with your mom was just I had always just obviously hoped for you, for Tina, for Michelle, that things were getting better.

[27:43] Hunter: Sony made a comment to me recently discussing essentially how he doesn't judge anyone's own problems, whatever it's affecting them mentally, physically, to his own because he said it's unfair. And it's jarring hearing that because anytime I have an issue or I think about issues I've had, my initial thought is, this is nothing. This is not even on the radar of being relatively worth worrying about. But it was very comforting hearing that everyone's going to fight their own demons, whatever they are, and there's no point in judging them because they are going to affect that person in a way that may be like going through what Sonny went because you just can't tell. So when he said that it is incredibly uplifting to know that your problems are just as important as his and how you handle them and the people you surround yourself with is just as important. And even right now as I say it, it doesn't feel right. But it was incredible to hear him say that because that's his mindset and his outlook on it, which is, I think everyone could take a page from because I think ultimately it builds a network of trust and support that you wouldn't have if you're putting stuff on a pedestal.

[29:16] Chloe: I think it's like the level of resilience that we saw you display when we were in school. I mean, we were, what, 20 years old, and the same level of resilience that you have now to bring your siblings together, create this podcast. It's that strength in a different form and it's very exciting to see.

[29:36] Hunter: Yeah, it's not like he's calling Michelle and having her drive five minutes to come do a podcast. She lives in New York and fortunately, Tina lives here. But to be able to even orchestrate something of this nature and take it as far as it already come in a few months is a testament of its own.

[29:57] Devin: And I think what you're saying about what Sonny said to you and how you can't really compare someone's struggles right. Is really important. A part of the whole message on mental wellness and mental health is just understanding that whatever it is that you're going through can be talked about. Right. And that's when I think back to my own personal experiences with mental health, is I always thought the same thing as, oh, well, it's not anything that drastic or that bad, and so it's nothing that I should worry about or address or even acknowledge. And I think that any type of struggle that you're having or any thoughts that you have that may feel uncomfortable or are making you feel uncomfortable, it's good to be able or know that there's people out there that are there for you to listen. Again going back to whether, you know, that person is as close of a friend or think of them in that way, it's important to just kind of voice the opinion that you have or just voice what you're going through with someone that you feel comfortable with is.

[31:08] Hunter: Ultimately it encourages conversation, which I think is at the root of it a goal of the mental health movement in general, but of what I see from this podcast, being able to discuss your hardships. Whether small, whether large, you embrace conversation and it just helps people move on or maybe at least comfort themselves in a way they wouldn't be able to do prior.

[31:32] Devin: It's just the beginning, too. Right. It's what starts the whole again, whatever it is that it could be a resolution, it could be a journey, it could be whatever. Right. It could be just helping you understand or have a different perspective on how to deal with these daily things that you go through. Right. Because sometimes mental health, maybe not, it's not a curable, I think, thing in the sense of it's not just one day you magically wake up and you feel better or you suddenly have a problem or a thought process that just suddenly goes away or dissipates. Right. It's a lot like something that you have to keep. Trying and keep going after. And just even though you may have a good day, you may have a bad day, every single day is hopefully attempting moving the right direction, right.

[32:27] Hunter: Working towards a positive goal.

[32:28] Devin: Yeah, working towards a positive goal. And just one of the biggest things for me when I think about mental health and I think about having a bad day or think about for me, sometimes we'll just wake up in really bad moods or I'll wake up in a really difficult state. And the biggest thing that I always try and remind myself of is it's all temporary. Right. Everything is temporary in a good and bad way. Right. So when you're having some of the lowest of the lows, it doesn't always mean that it might get better. But whatever is going on is temporary and it eventually will pass. So I think that that's something that I can maybe take from Oklahoma a little bit because they always said, if you don't like the weather, it'll change in five minutes. And I think a lot of times, too, our own mentality, too, can change so quickly even if you don't even recognize it, right?

[33:26] Hunter: Yeah. And the way I like to look at it is there's two guarantees. Everything changes and everything ends. So I think the outlook and the goal for that is if everything changes and everything ends, there is always new beginnings. There's always new beginnings. And you just have to think that when everything changes, everything's going to be changed for the better.

[33:46] Devin: Yeah, exactly.

[33:48] Chloe: Better keep working at it till it is, eh. One thing when I just look back on some of my favorite memories spent with all of you, all I got to say Orlando really? Okay. So I will say one of the things that I think has made us so close is just the fact that you've wanted us to be a part of some big moments in life. You wanted us to come celebrate your birthday, and we're always happy to I don't know, to find any excuse to celebrate. I think that's a general philosophy among all of us. But going to Orlando, getting to spend time with Tina. Tina lives here in Austin, so it's so nice we get to see her as much and play guitar with her, cook, have her come over and hang out, but then also get to spend time with Michelle and hear, like, see what's going on with her. And I think it was all a build up, too, right. Of you guys have been working on this podcast like the Wheels are in Motion. So getting to see you all in just a really high spirits and going to that Italian restaurant, I want this in the time capsule. Castini is in Orlando, Florida. If you're ever there, you need to go. And getting to I mean, just the guy with the accordion, the guy walking in. We walk in. We're at disney all day. We're at Orlando all day, getting to ride some of the best rides in the United States of America. Fast. Shout out Sunny Chang. But I don't know. We teleported from Orlando to Christini's and walked in, and this guy comes up to Devon, and he like, whips out, what is it?

[35:33] Devin: First he asked me they just saw me from a mile away. We were all dressed in Athleisure, and I'm wearing a hat, and he comes right up to me and he goes, there's no hats inside. And then I was like, okay, no problems. Like, take it off. But I told him the sopranos yeah, I told him. I was like, well, literally, not all of us can have as perfect hair as you to the guy, like, as a joke. And he was like, oh, do you want me to style it for you? And that was when he pulled out a can of, like, pomade out of his back pocket.

[36:07] Hunter: That's an OG move I actually respect.

[36:11] Devin: Yeah. And he was ready to run his.

[36:13] Hunter: Normalized carrying room with you. Pomade in a comb.

[36:17] Devin: Yeah. Normally, I'd have thought it was a little greasy, but from Christine's, it was the top tier white glove service.

[36:24] Chloe: Nothing's greasy when there's velvet from floor to ceiling.

[36:27] Devin: Yeah. Seriously.

[36:28] Hunter: Well, nothing's greasy when Devon's there, is.

[36:31] Devin: It or everything is.

[36:33] Chloe: Well, us all sitting down and having just an amazing meal after having such a fun day, spending time with all three of you all together. And then the guy with the accordion who played Dark Horse by Katie, but then he also played some of the songs that Tina requested that your mom used to sing in opera. That was beautiful. I feel like, lucky that we've gotten to share some of those moments with you. And I want to keep doing that as long as we can and keep focusing on being there for each other and helping each other when we're down, but being real with each other when we're we're not being as good as we can be and holding each other accountable. Because I love you guys enough that I want to do that, and I want you to do that for me. Like that.

[37:30] Hunter: Just taking it all in.

[37:31] Devin: Yeah.

[37:32] Hunter: Well, it made me think y'all's, Orlando story just made me think of our Orlando trip last year, and we went to golf. Meeting all of you, meet two different groups of people. All right.

[37:45] Sunny: I mean, my heart is so touched right now just hearing some things from you all.

[37:51] Hunter: I'm blessed to have you all as.

[37:53] Sunny: Some of my best friends, as Chloe and Devon say, chosen family. And just being willing to have this conversation with each other and have me here as well is just really touching. My heart is so full right now because I love you guys, and hearing some things I hadn't heard of before is just a great way to be thankful about life, about having great friends, so on, people that are there for you when things are hard. And so just to finish the episode, I just want to say thank you from the bottom of my heart. I know there will always be ups and downs in our friendships and being best friends, but I know I can always rely on you three. So I just want to say thank you so much for being a part of this episode.

[38:42] Devin: Yeah, I love you, Sonny.

[38:44] Chloe: Thank you for having me.

[38:45] Hunter: Happy to be here.

[38:48] Sunny: So this is episode six of the memoir, season one, and then next we'll finish off season one with a what we learn. It'll be back to The Three Siblings again, and then we'll move on to season two, where it turns into a conversational style podcast where we talk about different topics. So once again, thank you and looking forward to the next episode.

[39:20] Michele: Thank you for tuning in to the three siblings. We know we discuss some really tough topics on the show, so we want to make sure you've got the resources you need. If you're going through a tough time, dialing nine. Eight eight will bring you to a suicide and crisis phone line. If you want to support the work we're doing on the show, the best thing to do is to leave a review on Apple podcasts. It might help someone else who needs to hear this and find this show. You can also follow us on social media at Three Siblings podcasts on Instagram and at Siblings podcasts on Twitter. We are so excited to share more stories with you in our next episode.