July 10, 2023

How to make work cool with Matt Cheung

This episode is a candid exploration of how to make work enjoyable, the balance between certainty and uncertainty, and how corporate dynamics often shape individual work experiences. 

My guest is Matt Cheung, CEO of Clarasys, a consulting company that’s won so many awards for being a great place to work that we can’t list them all here. So he makes for the perfect guest to talk about creating meaningful, cool workplaces. He shares personal stories and insight into the question of what makes work "cool". 

And we cover:

  • His journey to being an (accidental) CEO
  • How purpose and meaning are key to a ‘cool’ workplace
  • The social contract at work between employer and employee
  • Why we both wanted to leave our previous jobs
  • A different way to look at work-life balance


Check out Matt’s book, “Trust and patience” that takes you on the journey of how Clarasys was built around very human centered principles (leveraging Teal and Team of Teams).



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Thanks for listening!