This week we’re releasing an episode from @ModernRelationshipsPod which originally aired on February 28, 2025 where Erik Torenberg interviews philosophy professors Agnes Callard and Arnold Brooks about their unconventional marriage, the role of philosophy in their relationship, the impact of their public profile, and how they balance personal and philosophical life together.
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LINKS:
New Yorker article on Agnes and Arnold, by Rachel Aviv: https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2023/03/13/agnes-callard-profile-marriage-philosophy
Agnes Callard: https://philosophy.uchicago.edu/faculty/a-callard
Arnold Brooks: https://philosophy.uchicago.edu/arnold-brooks
Pre-order Agnes Callard's new book Open Socrates: https://wwnorton.com/books/open-socrates
Agnes Callard on Upstream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JotaCsaG3Y
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TIMESTAMPS:
(00:00) Intro
(00:44) Meeting and early relationship
(02:42) Philosophical connection
(07:03) Marriage and philosophical disagreements
(15:28) Sponsors: Oracle | Adquick
(17:27) Navigating divorce and friendship
(30:27) Sponsors: Incogni | Squad
(34:31) Advice on relationships and parenthood
(36:36) Choosing an interesting partner
(37:29) Reciprocal goods in relationships
(40:50) Dealing with insecurities in relationships
(43:35) The evolution of marriage
(48:43) Parenting philosophies
(01:01:13) The role of philosophy in parenting
(01:05:08) Public perception and personal impact
(01:09:44) Wrap