When Friendship Turns: How to deal with "Mean Girl" drama

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Welcome back to the Women's Mental Health Podcast.

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I'm Randi.

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And I'm Jess.

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And we're two licensed psychotherapists.

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And this is a safe space where we talk about mental health, well being, and strategies for coping with life's challenges.

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And how all of this is normal.

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And you are not alone.

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Not alone.

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Today we're going to talk about a topic that a lot of parents face at some point.

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We recently had this happen in our house.

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so we want to walk you through how to help your teen through the mean girl drama.

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Yes, or help yourself through mean girl drama because let's be honest, sometimes this never changes.

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No.

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And if you don't have the right boundaries and you don't know how to let go of toxic, relationships or friendships, this can happen again and again.

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I've been through it, later in life.

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And I've been through it with my teenage daughter, now adult daughter.

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We're gonna define what mean girl drama is and discuss the impacts it has on your mental health.

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for teens, their families, yourself too, like as a mother, and we're going to talk about strategies for embracing this, normalizing it, and supporting.

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your teen who is experiencing it.

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Yes, so many experience it.

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So find us and more resources on womensmentalhealthpodcast.

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com.

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let's do our have you evers.

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Have you

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ever had these thoughts?

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How can I help my teen?

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What should my teen do if they're facing mean girl drama?

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This is really hard.

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And this can also happen, side note, very young with girls.

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I think my daughter first experienced it in fourth grade.

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Fourth and fifth grade is where it really starts.

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And even though recently I run a local mom's group is that I've seen a lot of it starting even earlier first grade, second grade.

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I had a friend who moved her daughter out of a school in first grade because of a situation like that.

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And I was like, really?

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Like, how do they even know to be mean like

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that?

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Because their mamas are

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mean.

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How can I encourage

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my teen to open up

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about their feelings?

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Should I intervene?

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in the drama directly.

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How can I support my teen's self esteem?

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That's so important during this.

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And how do I teach my teen to stand up for themselves?

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And not only stand up for themselves, but feel worthy about it, but also do it kindly.

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Because we can all get mean when this stuff happens.

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we can get defensive.

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Absolutely.

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And stand up for our friends, too.

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That's the other piece.

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Oh, stand up for our friends.

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Yeah, don't follow.

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The herd, What if my teen is the one exhibiting mean girl behavior?

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I feel like sometimes

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a lot of people aren't.

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As self aware of their children sometimes, we're all crazy busy, we work crazy hours, we're overwhelmed, we're stressed, and sometimes we just don't realize what's going on right under our noses, how can you help your teen move past the drama once it's happened?

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Because, this can really leave a lot of feelings and a lot of hang ups, and it's very impressionable on them.

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Oh, yeah.

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Totally.

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I work with adults who are like, I can't form friendships because of what happened in fifth grade.

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And you're like, okay let's start working on this younger.

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How do I help my teen build healthier friendships?

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Yes.

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And

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I feel that's really important too, because the younger you start.

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The better it's going to be long term.

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And what if the mean girl drama is affecting my teen's mental health?

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I feel like a lot of times we see this in the news, like girls that are mean to each other and then all of a sudden, something bad happens, there's bullying, or there's a suicide because they didn't know that it was affecting their mental health so badly.

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Because we all think our teens will come

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talk to us.

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I wanted to talk about this because this just happened in our house recently.

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And I'm not saying that my teen wasn't, she was a little out of line herself, but then her friend group, the way they did it, it was just like, they attack, like hive

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mind.

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I feel and I even had that recently happened to me.

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I guess it's been like four years ago, where I saw a group of friends and then they all just.

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And I was like, where did this come from?

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And so calculated.

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But I also feel like too maybe it like comes out of left field, but like maybe it's been simmering and we just don't.

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I don't know, like what triggers people to all of a sudden.

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Well, and we all have seen Mean Girls.

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If you haven't, go watch Mean Girls with your kid.

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Yeah.

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It's a great show.

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My daughter and I just went and saw the play and it was so cute.

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just adolescence, being a teenager, it's so hard right now anyway.

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It's such a challenging time trying to navigate these social dynamics and how to really figure out.

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What you want to do because there's so much pressure.

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What do you want to do when you grow up?

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There's just so much going on.

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So first, let's start by defining what mean girl drama is.

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I think we all know but let's do it Anyway,

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okay, so it really refers to Social conflict so it could be peer pressure.

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It could be like why are you friends?

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with so and so.

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why are you liking this boy I So just some type of conflict is happening socially and then some type of aggression, and or manipulation is happening and this leads to, happening a lot during adolescence with teen girls because also hormones, and changes and they can't wrap around, all the things firing off in their brain.

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these behaviors are gossiping, exclusion, backstabbing.

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It's emotional bullying.

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Yes.

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And so we talk about bullying but this is what this is.

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And these are done over, discord.

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It's done over Snapchat.

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It's done over TikTok.

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Yeah.

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All of this.

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And that's the thing, when Jess went through this, my first question was, did this happen over text?

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Yes.

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And she said yes.

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Yes.

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Yes, because I was like, it's so much easier to be, you know, a keyboard warrior, a troll, or whatever, when we are not talking to somebody face to face.

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And I was telling her, when we were talking about it we need to go back to the days like when you were so mad at your BFF or whatever, and you had to write out a BFF three page note, and then you folded it up, and then you had to wait until you had class with them, and then you're like, Send it three rows over.

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And or find somebody to give it to them, and by that time you thought, maybe I should change what I said in there maybe you've calmed down.

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There's no, everything is instantaneous.

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With social media and text messages.

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So these girls and boys just fire it off and don't even think about it.

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And I'm going to share what happened with us is that one of them was being the mean girl.

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Granted, it was over a conversation that had happened three weeks before, Three weeks before.

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I feel like there's always a queen bee.

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This was the queen bitch.

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Yes.

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And if you're listening, that's how I feel right now.

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Sorry, I'll probably have to cut that out later, but I was I know I was Mad and hurt with how it was done for her because they all got together.

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One of them did a text that two of them copied and pasted the text and they sent it off at like 12, 1201, 1202.

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So that's what she woke up to on her birthday.

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And it was so calculated and so mean that it was so heartbreaking as a mom.

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I sat there going.

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How do I address this?

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What does my daughter need at this moment?

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Because it was like, the therapist in me was coming out.

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The mama bear was ready to

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woo.

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She like called me and she was like, what do I do?

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Do I call these?

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And I was like, okay, I've been through this.

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So let me tell you what has and hasn't worked for me because I'm also going to like protective mode, play the world for my kids.

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And I was like, it doesn't usually.

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you the answers or, conclude what is happening in the best way.

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Sometimes

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it so hurts your own mental health as a mom, because I was hurting for my child.

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And then you have to process that, too, and you're also grieving, I feel, for them when they're hurt and losing a relationship or a friendship because, we do live vicariously through our kids and, they're in our space.

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We feel for them.

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We carry that.

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They were a part of our bodies but it also brought up

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stuff from when I was a kid.

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And so it would be super triggering for a lot of parents, too.

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I sat there and I had to sit there and go, okay, because it was so triggering for everybody, what does she need right now?

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She needs me to listen.

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She needs me to not react angry.

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She needs me to just be there, be a sounding board, give a hug

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And figure out what this is, Let's backtrack a little though.

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Where are these girls learning this behavior?

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I feel like a lot of times we see it glamorized or trivialized in movies.

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The drama, the movies.

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Yeah, and the, it's cool to be all dramatic and have this happen, but in reality it's not.

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how are these girls, learning this so early on?

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I think they're learning it from their own parents.

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Well, yeah.

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It starts at home, exactly.

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What I had told my daughter, too, when she went through this.

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and middle school and high school was that it's usually the girls that are the most hurt.

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They always say hurt people.

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I feel that's true.

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It's the girls that are most hurt, or they're getting bullied at home, or they're getting bullied by somebody or insecure,

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or they're

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super insecure, they have no self worth.

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so they're clinging, to this that makes them feel worthy or makes them feel bigger.

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What's that other thing like you blow somebody else's Candle to make yours brighter, I think it gives them a temporary like feeling of power over this situation, because they feel out of control.

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But that doesn't excuse the behavior.

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It's just like the why of the behavior that is happening that can make you be a little bit more empathetic to the situation.

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But that doesn't mean that your child needs to be like a doormat for that.

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Exactly.

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I feel like Okay, I'm biased, but I think my daughter is amazing.

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She's smart.

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She's outgoing.

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She's beautiful.

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I mean she is Very she is

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I know her.

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She's wonderful.

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She's her

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own person.

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Yeah, and that's very intimidating.

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She doesn't give an F

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Yeah,

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I mean she doesn't care you don't like her or whatever I think what you had said in a text to me one day was you said a lot of women and girls do not like confident, independent women.

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And it's

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true.

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Yeah.

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it's so sad because I'm definitely like a girl's a girl and I love being a girl.

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being a cheerleader for my friends.

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I love seeing other people succeed.

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I feel like I've mentored a lot of people in my business too.

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I feel like there's enough for everybody.

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Like I don't gatekeep like with my own business it's really hard for me to understand that mentality, but it comes with their own insecurity, like you said, and it's jealousy.

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It is something I feel like, oh, this will be another podcast topic, I'm sure, but this comes from a learned behavior from way back when.

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I was just talking to somebody the other day that talks about how there's a book out there that talks about this behavior was taught to women back in like the Salem witch trial eras.

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Oh yeah,

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we just

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lynched

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them.

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Yeah, and if anybody's independent, right?

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And from that point, they took away property.

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We had no property rights.

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We had nothing.

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And so that's let's be honest.

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We were just, we've just been able to start voting, what, in the 70s?

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No, I think it was, that was not 70s.

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That was when we got our credit cards.

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Oh, yeah.

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And mortgages.

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73.

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We could finally buy, we could own property.

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What the

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fuck?

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That's only been like, anyways, I can't math today, but it's not been that long.

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51 years.

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Okay.

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Thank you.

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why is this so important?

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It's so important because it can be so stressful on your teen and your family and emotionally draining.

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when you as a mother to feel helpless.

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Oh, I'm so anxious

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about it.

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Guilty.

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Like maybe you didn't prepare them enough.

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There's all things and it can like, Turn into a snowball of other things like eating disorders, like their own, low self esteem or self worth, like social isolation and as girls and women, we tend to internalize our feelings.

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So that's why a lot of times teen girls don't come.

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And talk to us about it, or they carry some guilt because we're women.

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It's what we're, taught to do historically.

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Just keep quiet and stuff it down.

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Or there's something maybe that, again, I think my daughter wasn't exactly innocent in all this either.

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she didn't deserve what happened and so it was a matter of, I had to sit there and I didn't have to, I chose to.

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What is going on?

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Let's get the whole thing and let's do this.

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And I, Wanted to teach her how to handle this.

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Yeah, if it happened again, if it happens again And so I didn't want any kind of depression or anxiety or any kind of the self esteem Being tamped down because of this and so one of the things I did say though was I said I know that this feels very real right now, because it is.

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It is very real, it is very important to you right now.

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For in the moment, that's their whole world that feels like it's shattering.

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So what I did was I validated for her that I know this is important right now, and we'll get into this in a little bit, but I said, I want you to know in five years, this isn't going to be.

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It's not going to matter.

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It's going to be a blip.

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I said, so please, I said, don't make any poor choices.

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And let's just back off stuff.

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I said, but right now I know this is big.

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Yeah.

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So with, the right support, like you, you gave, it can really be a valuable lesson for our kids and resiliency and empathy

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and

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understanding their own self worth.

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And also

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owning your shit, honestly, I'm not saying that whatever caused this turmoil to start.

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Yeah,

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like when my daughter went through it, I said, I want to see all the text messages.

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And I said, I know that you are like me and you're, very secure in who you are.

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But I want to see how you clap back, like what you said, because I know that you're not innocent in all of this either.

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I'll be the first to say were you an asshole?

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because I'm very self aware.

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So like when I went through it with some of my, other friends, I asked other people outside of our circle, looking at this from the outside, did I do something wrong?

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Did I say something wrong?

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Could I have done something else?

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I wanted to see the whole picture.

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And so I think that's good with our kids too.

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And my daughter was like, okay, I did message her on Instagram and it was these three things and she showed them to me.

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So I said, okay, so now I have the whole picture.

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Cause I said, if I'm going to go to bat for you, if I'm going to say she's in the wrong and you're in the right.

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I need to know.

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I said, you're not gonna make me go to bat for you and make me look like an idiot.

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I said, I need all the information.

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I said, I'm not gonna be mad, you need to be accountable.

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Exactly.

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it was, let me see what this is because I want to teach you how to handle it, but I need to know what, what happened.

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And it wasn't in a judgmental way.

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It wasn't, I'm not going to shame you.

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None of that.

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Cause I wanted to be supportive.

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And it was one of those things.

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It was a big deal.

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big deal.

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And so that is one of the first strategies for showing support and getting through this is open communication.

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So encouraging them to talk about their feelings without fear of judgment, listening actively and listening empathetically.

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And it means sitting there going.

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Let me gather all the stuff before you jump before my I had to my mama bear had to help hold back Yeah, cuz you're gonna be

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like I'm gonna take that fifth grader to the ground like Sometimes we feel that way when our kids are getting bullied or teased and I have a special needs son, too And so cute so adorable, but I'm like, oh I will go, but I'm like, I wouldn't really do that.

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You're gonna have to rein it in too and be like, okay, like breathe.

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And then what's the next step that we need to do?

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We need to validate their feelings.

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Validate how important it is to them and validate.

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And even with my husband, I talked to him about it and I said, please don't minimize what's happening.

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Please make sure you validate it.

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Don't

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minimize.

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This is a big deal.

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And we talk about validating emotions.

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If you want to listen in to that podcast on season one, it's episode 25.

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Just validate it and help them understand that this is important to you as

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well.

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And it's okay to feel all the feels and that you are going to go through a grief process.

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You're going to be angry.

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You're going to be sad.

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You're going to be mad.

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You're going to.

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Want to lash out and then, it's going to go again until you find closure with it.

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And don't call their friends names unless she says you can't.

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Just so you know.

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Because, you can't get in on it.

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And I have a lot of mamas that want to jump in.

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Earlier I was like, oh, that bitch.

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But.

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Well, but Jess, she called me first.

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She texted me first and said, I want to dive deep into this.

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Do I contact the parents?

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Do I do this?

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And I was like, and that's the first thing.

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Find somebody too that can support you through it while you're trying to guide, whether that's a therapist or a friend or, whoever, and that might have experience with this.

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So you can be like, okay, this is my plan of how I'm going to approach this.

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Because I was like my first thing was I'm going I'm going right to the source.

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Yeah.

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I know that mama's phone number, I'm going to the source but I don't want to do that to her.

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And so I did say, you don't want to undermine

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your kids

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either, right?

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And so I was like, can I reach out to this one mom?

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Yeah.

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When it happened with my daughter, it was one of her very close friends that used to go on all of our, family vacations with us.

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What?

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Oh, yeah.

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Spend like weeks at her house, like during the time, over the summer, like they had been friends for four years and so like I knew her mom very well, but like I also knew that her mom wasn't very present.

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She was like the last kid out of, a lot, like she had a lot of trauma, her friend.

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And so I was very understanding of that.

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But like when I reached out to the mom, she was like, Oh no, not mine.

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And I was like, okay, like I'm wasting my breath because I would say sorry, if it was my kid and I'm going to find out all the information, I'm always like, okay, let me see everything.

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Like I said, like the whole picture before I'm like, would even defend my kid too.

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Another important thing is teaching, coping strategies.

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We need these all the time.

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Yes.

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Our teens need them all the time.

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Our little kids need them all the time.

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We all need coping strategies because life is fucking hard.

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It is.

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It's, Being mindful.

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It is exercising some sort of a creative outlet.

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And Whatever it is that your teen is into, find new things.

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If you don't know, try different stuff out.

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Because it's a healthy way without therapeutizing it as we call it, or like making your kid feel like you need to go to therapy right now.

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Cause I know a lot of people throw that around as a negative thing, but it's not, let's change the conversation about that too.

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But.

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teaching them skills so they have them to fall back on when they are in these stressful situations.

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Exactly.

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And even if it's like taking sock balls, okay, so I ball my socks up, taking sock balls and throwing them at a wall.

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Yeah.

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I love.

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We did a rage room before and stuff.

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And it was like so much fun.

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Like those things okay, let's find a healthy outlet for this.

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And then we can sit down and talk about it.

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In our fields right now.

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Exactly.

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The other though is

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encourage positive friendships.

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And I always talk about being kind, gearing them towards healthy

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people,

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modeling

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that.

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Yeah, modeling it and also surrounding yourself with people that you want to be like, or that, positive things, like going towards that, like that light.

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And I was just telling Jess too, that with her daughter like they're going to be starting a new school year, and these are all friends from her school, and it's a little bit scary to go back and not know am I going to have friends?

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And I said to think of it differently, that this has closed one door and maybe opened another one, where she's going to meet the friend of a lifetime.

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Exactly.

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And so one of the things I did in this situation is I reached out to see if there's any incoming kids and we're going to go have coffee and we're going to set up something to make sure that she feels secure because I want her to go into this new year, rocking it.

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She's amazing.

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I want her just to own it and just rock it.

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And it's okay that

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this happened.

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And even as an adult too, I think this is also due to social media and movies like we need to have this one forever friend No, the bff to beat all bffs and In reality, most relationships only last about four to seven years, like friendships, whatever.

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So long term is not something we really historically do as citizens of the United States.

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even when you're devastated, like I was devastated when I went through, the things with my friends, but it opened up a door and I met Jess.

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And she's like my person.

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Yes, I am.

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She felt like I was an asshole before because I was surrounding myself with assholes.

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And I hate to be the one that like judged, but I was like I don't like these people.

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So I don't know if I want to trust Randy or get to know Randy because of this.

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And I really was like, and I didn't talk shit about Randy because I didn't know her,

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but I was like, Yeah.

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Once you saw that I had separated from myself and I said something about it publicly and she was like, Oh, okay I'm gonna get, to know her.

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And so I am so thankful that happened because I feel to like, when I was in that friendship, and this can happen with everybody in relationships, too, is that you dim your light, https: You care so much about other people's feelings.

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Well, it's not only that, it's because you dim your light because, they're not allowing you to shine.

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You want to be around women, friends, family who

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you shine with.

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And they love you good and bad.

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They love your quirks.

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They love, your ADHD tendencies.

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They may not love them, but they love you.

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Appreciate.

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Who you are as a person, not to say that we don't like all annoy each other, at some point with our friendships, we all go like highs and lows.

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But at what point do you need to let go of the relationship?

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Exactly.

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I know we've said, throwing around therapy as like a threat.

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Yeah.

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These kids nowadays, they are more emotionally mature than a lot of the 40 year olds that I've seen.

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I don't even, it blows my mind to hear them talk about boundaries and to talk about gaslighting.

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Yeah, okay, we talked about that on like that one of the TikTok episodes, but they're learning.

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And so yes, if you don't know how to support your child, go to therapy with your child to figure out how to support your child.

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Exactly.

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It could be just for this one instance.

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It could be for a long term.

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Yeah.

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Or yeah, you get supported with that because maybe you're having a hard time.

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If you're having a hard time seeing the whole picture, maybe you're having a hard time like seeing out of the box and you don't know which way to go with your kids.

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So you get supported then so you can support, your child or your friend or whoever is going through this, exactly.

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There's no shame in seeking.

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Professional help.

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Nope.

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Or any type of help.

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And there's no shame in saying, I don't know how to handle this.

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I need to think about this.

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Let me let me process what to do with this because we don't have all the answers because we're not perfect.

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And when you do this, you are modeling Good behavior.

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You're modeling self care.

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You're modeling healthy mental health.

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And when you model this, your kids are gonna pick up on it, and then they're gonna do it too.

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Whether you're, you don't need to force it down their throat.

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You just need to model it,

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to do it because they're watching you all the time.

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Even if you think they don't know you exist, they're watching you.

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So let's go through and let's do our, I know we've already answered some, but let's do the have you ever questions.

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Okay.

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First, Randi, how can we help our teens recognize that mean girl behavior?

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So you can really empower your teens by discussing what healthy friendships look like, what they sound like, what, how interaction should be.

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You can even role play this, if you're having a hard time, even, like a lot of times movies and social media can have negative, but there's also positive in that too.

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Maybe a book or a movie or, a scene that you've seen that embodies what you think a healthy relationship is, and share that.

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Or even the opposite is we've been watching 80s movies and the girls are like, Heather's anybody?

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Oh, that's what we actually did.

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Murder.

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Yes.

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that weekend we actually watched Heather's and we sat there and they're like, the actual mean

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girls movie too.

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Like What?

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is this and why it really, it's always happening.

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So how do we cope with it?

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Exactly.

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Okay, okay, so what should you do if your teen is facing this?

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First, help them maintain their dignity.

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Put down the phone, step away from the computer, whatever it is right, pause, and work with them and have them own up to what they've done, if they did something, have them own up to it and understand it, and not to do like the, well, they did this, the tit for tat thing, right?

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Own your shit.

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Teach them to own their shit.

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We need that on a t shirt.

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Own your shit, man.

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Yeah, own it.

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And you can apologize for it and say, I'm sorry, I did not handle it the best way.

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And that is how you start to do it.

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Have them maintain their dignity.

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Just, really, truly, be the better person.

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Yeah, and when I went through all my stuff, too, like personally and like my daughter just said, okay, if that's the way you feel, like I'm just stepping away.

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And that's it.

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I'm not going to feed into it.

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I'm not going to, and same thing with me, I said, if you are feeling this way, I accept that.

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If you want to apologize for the way that you handled the situation or treated me, my door is open to you to talk about it.

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out of maybe five, like one reached out to me like a year later.

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that was conclusion for me.

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I said my piece.

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I said, this is how I feel.

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I'm removing myself from the group chat, the whatever.

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And like people get so offended when you remove yourself from a toxic situation.

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They hate it because they're losing control.

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Well, and that's it.

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It's about control.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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How can we encourage our teens and our kids to open up about their feelings so they feel like.

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They can come to us with it.

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You have to create that safe place.

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Either it's going to be windshield time when you're driving and they're not, paying attention.

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It's going to be maybe in their space, literally in their room.

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If that's where they feel safe, it needs to be, you listening to them, not telling them.

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It needs to be asking the questions.

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Can I do this?

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Is it okay if I sit down?

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Almost like you're approaching a rabid dog sometimes.

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I'm walking forward.

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I'm coming upstairs.

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May I enter your room?

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Yes.

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Can we talk?

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What?

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Is this okay?

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Can we discuss this?

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Can I sit on your bed?

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Because they're already feeling out of control in this situation, so it gives them some autonomy about it.

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It lets them feel like they're in control of the situation if you defer to them and what, It's happening and let them lead the conversation.

00:27:09.531 --> 00:27:10.352
Exactly.

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Ask permission.

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That creates safety for them because they have a choice.

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Yes.

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Okay.

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So this one, I'm gonna let you do this one because, oh my gosh.

00:27:21.291 --> 00:27:23.912
Randy, should I intervene in the drama directly?

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No.

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No.

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You mean I can't just text it on their behalf?

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So generally you want to empower your teen to handle the situation themselves.

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And offer them guidance and support if they want it.

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ask them do you want me to talk to the other parent?

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Do you want me to intervene?

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Do you want, my experience with it?

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Yes or no?

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Okay, here you go.

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If there is concern, though, for their safety or well being or mental health, then definitely contact the school, contact the other parents, contact who once my daughter, she stood up for another friend and then somebody else that she didn't know came up to her in the hallway and threatened her and she was like, oh my god I don't even know, like, why this is happening, who this person is, like, why they're coming after me, and I asked her, do you want me to go to the school?

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And she, Emphatically said yes.

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And so I went to the school.

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I contacted the resource officer.

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I said, the next step was contacting the police.

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If nothing happened, we made a plan and we went through it, but I asked her first.

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And I also told her sometimes when this situation happens and somebody intervenes, it can get worse before it gets better.

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Yes.

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And I said, are you prepared for all of these scenarios to happen?

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And she said, a hundred percent.

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Yes.

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As long as you're on my side.

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You still gave her

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power.

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Yeah.

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Exactly.

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I was going to say, empower them, but if there is a safety concern, you jump your butt in right then and there.

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It was

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a physical threat and, from out of nowhere, from somebody she didn't know, so I was like, not going to take that lightly.

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Read the room, with how you need to intervene, And like I told Jess too, like generally, like when you text the other parent.

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And it's this child that's causing issues over and over again.

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Something's happening at home, usually.

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And the parent's not going to be present or self aware enough to be like, Or acknowledge.

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Or acknowledge, yeah.

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That's not my kid.

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My kid would never do that.

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Never.

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You're not my angel, baby.

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Goodness.

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Jess, through all this, self esteem can take a really big hit.

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So how do we support and uplift our teens?

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Self esteem through this

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Really remind them that their worth is not defined by others opinions.

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And if we as women will learn that and not judge other women, I swear to God, one day I said something to somebody about somebody.

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I was being a mean girl myself, right?

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And my daughter said, leave her alone, mom.

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If she wants to wear that letter where she wants to wear.

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I was like, God, I love you.

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I love you.

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You're right.

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I was being awful.

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I take that back.

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I'm not going to do that.

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I can't.

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And then I texted Randy cause I was like, I can't talk shit with my daughter.

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She's no fun.

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You have to realize too, like we all do mindless gossiping, but some people are pros at it.

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And I realized I had a friend who Everybody's business was her business, and I just thought she would come to me with everything, and then I fed into it, and I was becoming a mean girl because of that, and then I realized, wait, all this shit she's talking shit about me.

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Yes! Even though I would think no, she is my soul sister.

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No! Get that out of your head.

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They are definitely talking shit about you behind your back.

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I removed gossiping.

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Just a, level from my life like that.

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Not that, sometimes get frustrated and you talk to your friends, that's different.

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I'm just talking mindless, petty, not worth your time, not really impacting you gossip.

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Man, like my world flourished after taking out that little bit, because it wasn't my go to do it, but people would come to me, because

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you're a therapist.

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Yeah.

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And I know

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a lot of people in our community.

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So they'd be like, so and and then I was like, Oh, because, I'm a therapist, I love to know about people, but not in a negative way.

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I just need to cut this out.

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Let them do them and I'll do me and that's it.

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But when you are

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building up their self esteem and their confidence, really just focus on what you love about them.

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Even if they had rolled their eyes and go, yeah, mom, I know.

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Still do it.

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They still need to hear that they're amazing and that they're wonderful and that you're so proud of them and that.

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You are so excited to see what they do every day.

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Exactly.

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And to satisfy that

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time.

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We talked, too, about how, standing up for yourself, but like in, a kind way and a good way and an empowering way.

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So how do we do that?

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Teaching them to

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stand up for themselves, it's sort of communication skills.

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Most adults don't know how to do it.

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No.

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But do it in a kind way.

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And listening skills, too.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Also, get the feedback,

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it's not a

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one way

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street, but emphasize kind, you can speak your mind, but are you being kind?

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And that is what we say in our house.

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You can tell her that, but are you doing it in a kind way?

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we want to be kind when we tell people they suck.

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You got to be able to say, I don't want to be your friend anymore because of this.

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Yeah.

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Or I don't appreciate this.

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The other thing too, though, is if something is bothering them.

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teach them to go to their friend versus just wiping them off.

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Oh, a hundred percent.

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I'm bothered by this.

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This isn't cool.

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That's assertive.

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Not being assertive is doing the, I don't want to be your friend anymore because you did this.

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That's how it's all miscommunication.

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And that's what I went through too, is I said, if you just would have said something to me this bothers me, I would have been like, okay, fine instead of just excluding me and talking about it behind your backs and coming up with a bunch of bullshit that wasn't even true, I'm like, you really don't know me then.

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And that's okay.

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And that's

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okay.

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That's okay.

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All right.

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So now what do you do if you're the teen is doing the mean girl behavior?

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So approach them the same way like a rabid dog, just approach them with love and concern, discuss how their actions can impact others.

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And how we need to be empathetic to others and set those boundaries, set those expectations with them about not only is this respecting other people, but it's respecting themselves when it comes down to it.

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When they check in with themselves and they make sure they're not causing harm to other people, it comes to being self aware, which is really hard.

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It takes a lot of

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work.

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It does.

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And the thing I always want to emphasize is that we don't know what these people are going through.

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And when you're not being kind to them, I would hate for somebody to end their life because you were being mean.

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Yeah.

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And this is not to be dramatic.

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No.

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But it happens.

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Like Jess and I, mentioned earlier, we have clients who, this is 30 years down the road and they're still saying this person Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Hurt me and that person might not even be aware that they have even caused this whole life effect for this other person.

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Exactly, so it's doing it with kindness.

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And I mean it can go both ways.

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It can have negative and positive.

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So you need to always think about that.

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Like how am I impacting others?

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Like we need one more thing to think about.

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We do.

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I mean we do.

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So how do we help our kids move past the drama?

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You

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for this one, help them build positive relationships.

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Also if your teen is going through the drama, ask what they need.

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If they need you more, give them more.

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If they need you to be with them more.

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Drop what you're doing.

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That day I rearranged my entire caseload because I was like, I need to handle this because this was important and I needed to make sure that we were all okay.

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I did some shuffling that day, but it worked.

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Everything was amazing, but be with them.

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And make sure that they know how important they are to you, your boss.

00:34:50.793 --> 00:34:56.360
Can wait your grocery store can wait whatever it is Give them what they need in that moment.

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All right how are we going to help them build these healthier

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friendships then so all the things we talked about before communication understanding empathy role modeling, what healthy relationships look like and being present in their life and then helping them, when they are with friends, from the moment my daughter had entered in this one friendship that went sideways from the beginning, I said, she has a lot of trauma, she has a lot of things, there was a lot of red flags at first, I said, I support you being friends with her, if that feels right, What you feel like in your heart, and you want to be friends with her, but know that this could spiral.

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so there's things like, that's just making your kids, yeah, self aware of what could happen and telling them to be, like we talked about, be with people That are like minded, that want the same things, that, value the same things as them, and, are going to help them grow and not lead them, off the deep dark path, and

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the other thing I do as well is if they want to come to my house, all the kids can come to my house and hang out.

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I'm cool with that.

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I will vacate the living room and they can have it.

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But I'm going to leave my door open because I want to hear what they're doing.

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I want to hear the conversations they're having.

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I've always been like, let me just keep an eye out, literally to see what's happening because I don't mind.

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And

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that's how it, that's part of creating a safe space.

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And I know a lot of things about my daughter's friends that their parents have no clue about because I am a safe space and I'm open minded and I, but I will also call them on their bullshit too, like her friends, like you shouldn't be acting this way get right.

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But when you leave that door open for it to be that safe space.

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They're gonna have healthier relationships,

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period.

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And I don't care if they come and eat the food, fine.

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I've seen you do your taco, your little taco setup, right?

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You just make it so they feel comfortable and they're gonna act the way they want to act and then you're gonna figure out they know a lot more than you think they do because you're like, oh, okay.

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So lastly, If it is affecting your mental health, go to therapy, get help, yeah, get help, you or them, all of you.

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It is okay to get support for yourself as well when your daughter or child is going through this kind of drama because it's so hard to navigate and not everybody has a randy that they can like text it, four in the morning going WTF.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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And we always say this, but prioritizing your mental health is a strength.

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It's not a weakness.

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Putting yourself first and communicating your needs is a strength and it's a boundary, and it's not weak and it's not wrong.

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Exactly.

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Because this mean

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girl drama, it is real.

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It is so real.

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And it's such a challenging part of adolescence.

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But, with this support, whether it's with you or your teens, it's You are going to come on the other side of this and you're going to be stronger.

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So we're going to wrap up today's episode and we hope you found our discussion on drama and mean girls helpful and insightful. If you have more questions, be sure to check out our other episodes and our resources on our website, womansmentalhealthpodcast.

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