Episodes
The Freedom to Fail and Dispassionate Assessment with A.J. Thomas of …
In this episode, Nolan and Kelli host A.J. Thomas of X, the moonshot factory from Alphabet. A.J for a discussion about failure, innovation, and embracing adversity. They also discuss the importance of scenario planning and as...
We Don't Talk About Board Dynamics Enough
This segment delves into the intricacies of board member dynamics, specifically focusing on the removal of board members. Highlighted by the situation involving Michael Moritz's removal from Klarna's board, the discussion cov...
Emergency Segment: Chamath Wants to Abolish HR?
Do companies need HR? Kelli and Nolan discuss a recent episode of All In (the #1 Business podcast in the world) which championed a utopian vision of dismantling HR inside companies, a conversation ignited by Sequoia’s Shaun M...
Is Shopify's "~Mastery" Blowing Up Levels?
In today’s segment, Kelli and Nolan discusses Shopify's recent announcement of their ‘~Mastery’ dual track system, rewarding management and craftspeople equally. Kelli and Nolan also delve into topics such job leveling, advan...
Building Radically Better Businesses with DHH of 37signals and Baseca…
In this episode, Kelli and special guest co-host Colleen McCreary go from 0 to 100 with David Heinemeier Hansson (DHH), creator of Ruby on Rails and co-founder of 37signals (Basecamp). The discussion covers 37signals’ radical...
Segment: Bolt Slashes Valuation 97% and Screws Over Employees
This segment is sparked by the situation at Bolt, where employees who participated in an employee loan program were impacted by the company's valuation which was slashed by 97%. Kelli and Nolan discuss the post termination ex...
L.J. Brock, CPO of Coinbase Is Unflinching in the Face of the HR Stat…
We are so excited to bring you Kelli and Nolan’s interview with L.J. Brock, the CPO of Coinbase – a trailblazing company that has come under scrutiny in the press for their ‘no politics at work’ stance and talent density …
Elizabeth Patterson of Sapphire Ventures on How to Get Noticed by a V…
In this episode Kelli Dragovich and Nolan Church talk with Elizabeth Patterson , Partner (People & Talent) at Sapphire Ventures. The conversation is all about how to find the best CPO roles, how VC talent partners actually wo...
What’s Next For DEI: A Conversation with Mita Mallick of Carta
In this episode, Nolan and special guest co-host Colleen McCreary delve into diversity, equity, and inclusion (DEI) with Mita Mallick of Carta. Mita is the Head of Inclusion, Equity and Impact at Carta and the author of Reima...
On The Record: New Norms for Layoffs in 2024
This segment is sparked by a recent viral video of a layoff recorded by an employee. Kelli and Nolan cover the recent layoffs at Google and Cloudflare, how treatment of an employee during the layoff impacts both the employee ...
Inside M&As, Redesigning Comp, and a Public Company's CPO HR Tool Kit…
In this episode Kelli Dragovich and Nolan Church sit down with Brigette McInnis-Day , CPO of UIPath — a people leader at the biggest company we’ve had repped on the podcast to date.Timestamps and the transcript of our episode...
Reversing Roles: Number 1 or Number 2 Seat?
This segment is dedicated to covering what rising mid-career HR professionals really want to know. Janelle Lopez, an incredible HR professional, is brought in to interview us about her next move. Janelle, who worked at Yahoo ...
The Interview Process is Fundamentally Broken: Linear's Move to Work …
The only reason we do interviews is because we’ve done them in the past. Hear Nolan and Kelli discuss Linear’s recent announcement that they’re moving from interviews to work trials for all candidates ( https://twitter.com/li...
Katelin Holloway Thinks More HR People Need a VC Checkbook
In this episode Kelli Dragovich and Nolan Church sit down with Katelin Holloway, founding partner at VC firm 776 which she started with Alexis Ohanian. Holloway, the former VP of People at Reddit, shares insights from her exp...
Andreessen Horowitz's Matt Oberhardt on Backchannels, Mock Interview…
In this episode of HR Heretics, we have a conversation with Matt Oberhart, partner at Andreessen Horowitz, about the complexities of recruiting executives and finding talent.
Symphony AI's Jen Trzepacz on Comp Transparency, Yahoo's Early Days, …
Jen Trzepacz, or JT as she's widely known, is a Silicon Valley vet (Yahoo, EA, Salesforce, Living Social) and currently the CPO of SymphonyAI. JT joins Kelli Dragovich and Nolan Church to talk about how HR needs to be expertl...
Getting Honest About DEI in 2024: A Conversation with Colleen McCrear…
Colleen McCreary and David Hanrahan join Nolan and Kelli to offer their takes on the progress DEI has made over the years, the current camps in this debate, and the necessity of founders and companies to better understand their own …
The Enigmatic Q Hamirani on Turnarounds, AI, and the CPO Grind
Q Hamirani, the Chief People Officer at Paper, joins Kelli Dragovich and Nolan Church to talk about how to navigate the CPO seat under immense pressure, the real deal behind Airbnb's remote work policy, how design thinking helps solve people …
A Deep Dive on Firing Executives
Kelli and Nolan break down every facet, lever, and little known facts behind successfully exiting execs on the Run The Numbers podcast
VC Dan Portillo, Founder/GP of The GP on being the Godfather of Talen…
Dan Portillo is the founder and GP of The General Partnership, a fund that prioritizes talent in a network-based approach. Formerly he was early-Mozilla and then went on to Greylock where he carved out a role as a talent partner.
Segment: Is the DEI movement in Tech Causing More Harm than Good?
Kelli and Nolan discuss their different perspectives on the effectiveness of DEI initiatives and the temperature in tech businesses right now.
E9: Navigating the CEO-CPO Relationship with Lattice's Cara Brennan A…
Cara Brennan Allamano is the Chief People Officer at Lattice and previously at Udemy, Pinterest, and Adobe. Nolan and Kelli talk to Cara about building effective relationships with CEOs, undergoing layoffs with dignity, and the importance of saying "no" when …
Brett Queener Unfiltered: A Wake Up Call for Tech, 2024 Planning, and…
Brett Queener is a partner at Bonfire Ventures, with a background extending to nearly every function as an operator at Salesforce, Smart Recruiters, and more. Brett is well-versed in the mechanics of early-stage companies and this conversation covers the death …
The HR Insider: Melanie Naranjo, VP People at Ethena Gets Real
In this episode, Melanie, Kelli and Nolan dig into the current sentiment in HR, why the bar is set lower than it should be, why you should abandon PIPs, instilling a culture of feedback among execs, and why EQ isn’t …